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QuoteFlorida Gators quarterback Will Grier has been suspended for the season for violating NCAA rules, according to a source.
Grier tested positive for performance enhancing drugs, a source said. The positive test carries an automatic one-year suspension from the NCAA.
News of Grier's suspension was earlier reported by gridironnow.com.
A freshman from Davidson, North Carolina, Grier has thrown for 10 touchdowns, three interceptions and 1,204 yards for the the eighth-ranked Gators.
Florida (6-0) will travel to Death Valley to face No. 6 LSU Tigers in an SEC showdown on Saturday at 7 p.m. on ESPN.
Full article: http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/13871336/will-grier-florida-gators-quarterback-suspended-season
well damn.
Thought he was leaping pretty pretty high Saturday night.......
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRIxpo8UEAAmrQU.png)
http://www.news4jax.com/sports/reports-uf-qb-grier-to-be-suspended-for-season/35794494
I'm pretty certain Treon Harris was suspended (1 game) earlier this season for smoking ganga. If he gets hurt,or gets caught again, who backs him up?
Quote from: MusicMan on October 12, 2015, 05:11:18 PM
I'm pretty certain Treon Harris was suspended (1 game) earlier this season for smoking ganga. If he gets hurt,or gets caught again, who backs him up?
Newly enrolled former Mormon missionary Jim Jebow.
Quote from: MusicMan on October 12, 2015, 05:11:18 PM
I'm pretty certain Treon Harris was suspended (1 game) earlier this season for smoking ganga. If he gets hurt,or gets caught again, who backs him up?
Believe it or not, the son of Jack Del Rio, Luke who played at Bolles and Episcopal enrolled at Florida this summer as part of his transfer from Oregon State.
The vagabond QB, transfered to Denver Victory Christian HS when his dad was DC for the Broncos. He won a state title there.
He originally turned down an offer from UCLA to walk on at Alabama. He actually worked his way off the practice squad and reached QB3 behind McCarron until Saban hired OC Lane Kiffin. Kiffin notified him he didnt fit in and so he transferred to play for his dads friend Mike Riley at Oregon State.
Mike Riley left OSU for Nebraska, and the Oregon State offensive coach was hired by Floridas McElwain to be a offensive coach at UF.
So Del Rio enrolled at UF but will have to lose a year of eligibility to make the roster.
So while technically he cant back up anyone this year, I thought people would like to know that a former Jacksonville product will be going for a roster spot next year. That is if he doesnt transfer to another school (again).
Quote from: MusicMan on October 12, 2015, 05:11:18 PM
I'm pretty certain Treon Harris was suspended (1 game) earlier this season for smoking ganga. If he gets hurt,or gets caught again, who backs him up?
Funny that the guy who uses a controlled substance gets a week off while the one that uses something supposedly sold OTC gets a year.
The plot thickens:
On Gatorbait.net, during the Missouri game, a fan posted his knowledge of the upcoming suspension.
Here:http://collegespun.com/sec/florida-sec/florida-fan-called-will-griers-suspension-during-saturdays-game-against-missouri
How could a fan know but not the coaching staff?
I heard speculation that Grier knew in the second half and that may explain why his play went down. Just some guys theory.
Quote from: acme54321 on October 12, 2015, 07:17:33 PM
Quote from: MusicMan on October 12, 2015, 05:11:18 PM
I'm pretty certain Treon Harris was suspended (1 game) earlier this season for smoking ganga. If he gets hurt,or gets caught again, who backs him up?
Funny that the guy who uses a controlled substance gets a week off while the one that uses something supposedly sold OTC gets a year.
That would be because one is a recreational drug, while the other potentially helps you gain roughly 30-40 pounds in 18 months. I'm guessing there is a reason it is on the banned substance list whatever it is...
Just when Gator Nation thought they was gonna waltz through the schedule. Take that 'R' in Grier and turn it into a 'F'.
Quote from: I-10east on October 13, 2015, 02:37:08 AM
Just when Gator Nation thought they was gonna waltz through the schedule. Take that 'R' in Grier and turn it into a 'F'.
Gfier?
Quote from: spuwho on October 12, 2015, 07:04:38 PM
Quote from: MusicMan on October 12, 2015, 05:11:18 PM
I'm pretty certain Treon Harris was suspended (1 game) earlier this season for smoking ganga. If he gets hurt,or gets caught again, who backs him up?
Believe it or not, the son of Jack Del Rio, Luke who played at Bolles and Episcopal enrolled at Florida this summer as part of his transfer from Oregon State.
Not quite. The actual number 2 is a Florida Boy who just graduated from Vanderbilt University but still had a year of eligibility left, Josh Grady:
http://www.gatorzone.com/football/bios.php?year=2015&player_id=473
He's from Hillsborough County:
QuoteTwo-year starter at Armwood after transferring from nearby Freedom High School... As senior QB, hit on 182 of 256 passes for 2,109 yards, 24 TDs and just five INTs, helping 14-1 Armwood to 4A state finals
Those celebrating the demise of Will Grier may be in for a surprise. We're more than likely going to be fine without him.
As an FSU fan I don't celebrate the demise of College kids RattleGator. He seemed genuinely contrite at the press conference.
I hope your right and UF will help the Noles strength of schedule for once.
I wouldn't go as far to say we will be better without Grier, that's just silly. However, Harris has a ton of experience and has played on some pretty big stages. At Tennessee, Florida/Georgia, and in Tallahassee. A game in which if we didn't have such an inept offense very well could have won. There are things Grier can do that Treon simply can't, but I'm confident he can manage this team to Atlanta. Going to be hard to screw that up at this point.
Quote from: JeffreyS on October 13, 2015, 02:06:04 PM
As an FSU fan I don't celebrate the demise of College kids RattleGator. He seemed genuinely contrite at the press conference.
I hope your right and UF will help the Noles strength of schedule for once.
Um . . . for once, did you say?
Noles are so damn funny!
Dont know where the QB got his supplements but if you are in a regulated sport like NCAA, never, never, buy supplements from GNC. The labels may not show all the substances included.
There was a Jaguar who made the same mistake a few years back.
Quote from: RattlerGator on October 13, 2015, 05:21:15 PM
Quote from: JeffreyS on October 13, 2015, 02:06:04 PM
As an FSU fan I don't celebrate the demise of College kids RattleGator. He seemed genuinely contrite at the press conference.
I hope your right and UF will help the Noles strength of schedule for once.
Um . . . for once, did you say?
well clearly you didn't help us last year...or in 2013 for that matter
Quote from: tufsu1 on October 13, 2015, 08:54:47 PM
Quote from: RattlerGator on October 13, 2015, 05:21:15 PM
Quote from: JeffreyS on October 13, 2015, 02:06:04 PM
As an FSU fan I don't celebrate the demise of College kids RattleGator. He seemed genuinely contrite at the press conference.
I hope your right and UF will help the Noles strength of schedule for once.
Um . . . for once, did you say?
well clearly you didn't help us last year...or in 2013 for that matter
Wow. Two whole years!
And not only that, an 11-2 Gator team clearly helped their strength of schedule in 2012 and it clearly looks as though we're going to help them this year -- so that's likely 2 of the last four. Should we look at the last decade, with two Gator national championships included? As I said, the mustard-and-ketchup Noles? They be good for some laughs.
All I have to say is:
4-8
Georgia Southern. In the Swamp. No pass plays.
Rattler Gator, check the two teams records over their last 10 games, 20 games,
50 games, 100 games, 200 games. 300 games. Then post what you find.
Quote from: tufsu1 on October 13, 2015, 08:54:47 PM
well clearly you didn't help us last year...or in 2013 for that matter
The real issue is why do you need us to help your strength of schedule? We have certainly never needed you. If FSU played some real teams other than UF (and Miami in the 80's & late 90's ;)), you'd be better for it.
4-8. 4-8. 4-8. You should worry about this season, buddy.
Quote from: Captain Zissou on October 14, 2015, 08:56:37 AM
Quote from: tufsu1 on October 13, 2015, 08:54:47 PM
well clearly you didn't help us last year...or in 2013 for that matter
The real issue is why do you need us to help your strength of schedule? We have certainly never needed you. If FSU played some real teams other than UF (and Miami in the 80's & late 90's ;)), you'd be better for it.
Seriously. Get some real competition and you won't have to worry about your strength of schedule.
Quote from: Downtown Osprey on October 14, 2015, 09:45:41 AM
4-8. 4-8. 4-8. You should worry about this season, buddy.
I am zeroed in on this season, it's the mustard-and-ketchup crowd looking backward -- and given that fact, I'll only add this: Larry Jones, FSU chicken wire, 0-11. All Noles might want to shut the hell up. Rest assured, we'll be waiting on you and your boyz in Gainesville. The natural order is being restored. You won't have long to talk much more yang.
Quote from: acme54321 on October 14, 2015, 09:56:32 AM
Quote from: Captain Zissou on October 14, 2015, 08:56:37 AM
Quote from: tufsu1 on October 13, 2015, 08:54:47 PM
well clearly you didn't help us last year...or in 2013 for that matter
The real issue is why do you need us to help your strength of schedule? We have certainly never needed you. If FSU played some real teams other than UF (and Miami in the 80's & late 90's ;)), you'd be better for it.
Seriously. Get some real competition and you won't have to worry about your strength of schedule.
Yeah! Like maybe a home/home with Oklahoma! Or Notre Dame! Or Oklahoma State! Or Ole Miss in 2016! Or Bama in 2017!....Oh wait...those are scheduled.
The Gators are in the SEC Least. A division that is towards the bottom of P5 divisions. A division that has been dominated the past 2 years (Its first 2 in the league) by a Big 12 Team that struggled to even finish middle of the pack in the Big 12.
Quote from: RattlerGator on October 14, 2015, 12:01:24 PM
Quote from: Downtown Osprey on October 14, 2015, 09:45:41 AM
4-8. 4-8. 4-8. You should worry about this season, buddy.
I am zeroed in on this season, it's the mustard-and-ketchup crowd looking backward -- and given that fact, I'll only add this: Larry Jones, FSU chicken wire, 0-11. All Noles might want to shut the hell up. Rest assured, we'll be waiting on you and your boyz in Gainesville. The natural order is being restored. You won't have long to talk much more yang.
I was actually referring to Music Man's post. I'm a Gator :)
Quote from: Bridges on October 14, 2015, 12:04:43 PM
Quote from: acme54321 on October 14, 2015, 09:56:32 AM
Quote from: Captain Zissou on October 14, 2015, 08:56:37 AM
Quote from: tufsu1 on October 13, 2015, 08:54:47 PM
well clearly you didn't help us last year...or in 2013 for that matter
The real issue is why do you need us to help your strength of schedule? We have certainly never needed you. If FSU played some real teams other than UF (and Miami in the 80's & late 90's ;)), you'd be better for it.
Seriously. Get some real competition and you won't have to worry about your strength of schedule.
Yeah! Like maybe a home/home with Oklahoma! Or Notre Dame! Or Oklahoma State! Or Ole Miss in 2016! Or Bama in 2017!....Oh wait...those are scheduled.
The Gators are in the SEC Least. A division that is towards the bottom of P5 divisions. A division that has been dominated the past 2 years (Its first 2 in the league) by a Big 12 Team that struggled to even finish middle of the pack in the Big 12.
Lets not forget that FSU beat Clemson in 2013 and GT in 2014. Each team won a BCS/New Years 6 Bowl and finished the year ranked 7th in the country. Not quite sure how this thread turned into a schedule debate though...
I noticed none of you boys actually looked it up.
NEWS FLASH ANOTHER GATOR IN TROUBLE WITH THE LAW:
From ESPN.com:
GAINESVILLE, Fla. -- Florida freshman defensive back Deiondre Porter has been suspended indefinitely following his arrest on four felony charges.
Porter, one of the team's top special teams players, was arrested Wednesday on aggravated assault charges.
The Gators announced his suspension on Twitter, and coach Jim McElwain addressed it on the Southeastern Conference coaches call.
"He's no longer with the football team," McElwain said. "He's suspended indefinitely for obviously a choice. It's his choice not to be with us. I'm sure you'll read about it soon enough. It's one of those things that we don't obviously condone. Like I said, it was his choice."
Alachua County court records list one charge of aggravated battery (second-degree felony), one charge of firing a weapon into a vehicle or building (third-degree felony) and two charges of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon without intent to kill (third-degree felony).
Police report is pretty bad. He accused his pregnant GF of cheating on him with a teammate, held a gun to her head and then shot a wall near her.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/xcfbr8qvegq659p/DeiondrePorterArrest.pdf?dl=0
Wow. Seems like the Gators and Seminoles are trying to out-Florida each other.
"The Gators announced the suspension on Twtter."
What a class act.
Quote from: Tacachale on October 14, 2015, 01:14:40 PM
Wow. Seems like the Gators and Seminoles are trying to out-Florida each other.
+1. When Miami isn't filling the headlines, somebody has to step in and fill the bad press void.
Quote from: Downtown Osprey on October 14, 2015, 12:24:00 PM
Quote from: RattlerGator on October 14, 2015, 12:01:24 PM
Quote from: Downtown Osprey on October 14, 2015, 09:45:41 AM
4-8. 4-8. 4-8. You should worry about this season, buddy.
I am zeroed in on this season, it's the mustard-and-ketchup crowd looking backward -- and given that fact, I'll only add this: Larry Jones, FSU chicken wire, 0-11. All Noles might want to shut the hell up. Rest assured, we'll be waiting on you and your boyz in Gainesville. The natural order is being restored. You won't have long to talk much more yang.
I was actually referring to Music Man's post. I'm a Gator :)
Oops !!! My bad.
You know what's funny to me. This whole argument of "my program is cleaner than yours!" Listen, go down the line and almost EVERY major D-1 football program have their bad seeds. The one's that don't? Probably aren't competing at a high level. That simple.
UF handled this situation well and this kid will never see the football field again.
Quote from: Captain Zissou on October 14, 2015, 08:56:37 AM
Quote from: tufsu1 on October 13, 2015, 08:54:47 PM
well clearly you didn't help us last year...or in 2013 for that matter
The real issue is why do you need us to help your strength of schedule? We have certainly never needed you. If FSU played some real teams other than UF (and Miami in the 80's & late 90's ;)), you'd be better for it.
get back to me when UF actually plays an out of conference game outside the state of Florida....its been more than 35 years!
LOL, at this thread. There's nothing better than seeing Miami's two little sisters go back and forth.
Oh, and if UF does add an out of conference game, make sure it's against UM. Tell the AD that Sapp, Irvin, Blades, Lewis, and the boys have graduated, so it's ok to play us again. Canes will be more than happy to flood out the swamp.
Quote from: thelakelander on October 14, 2015, 11:35:28 PM
Oh, and if UF does add an out of conference game, make sure it's against UM.
That won't help them out with the whole 'playing a non-SEC game outside the state of Florida' thing. But kudos to UF for finally scheduling one....they will be playing Michigan at Cowboys Stadium in 2017. Of course, that's a neutral site game vs. a true road game, but its a start.
Quote from: thelakelander on October 14, 2015, 11:35:28 PM
LOL, at this thread. There's nothing better than seeing Miami's two little sisters go back and forth.
Oh, and if UF does add an out of conference game, make sure it's against UM. Tell the AD that Sapp, Irvin, Blades, Lewis, and the boys have graduated, so it's ok to play us again. Canes will be more than happy to flood out the swamp.
Graduated??
They booked that game with Michigan before Harbaugh became coach. It will be a whole different experience than what they were expecting.
Quote from: MusicMan on October 15, 2015, 02:15:53 PM
They booked that game with Michigan before Harbaugh became coach. It will be a whole different experience than what they were expecting.
yep...maybe they will try to back out of it
To be fair, the Gators did not have Coach Mac when they booked it. This will be a fun, groundbreaking game.
When you play in the toughest conference in the nation, one that even Bobby Bowden acknowledged he was scared to enter for fear he'd not be able to win a national championship (check the St. Pete Times -- it's in there), you don't need to worry about scheduling out-of-conference games outside the state of Florida. But for the easily fooled, it makes for a nice strawman. No one inside the SEC has to deal with what Florida has to contend with in-state and -- within the great Sunshine State -- no other Florida program has ever played in a conference remotely close to the SEC.
So keep talking that crazy yang. No damn body pays any attention to it beyond the envious mustard-and-ketchup or the envious University of New Jersey at Coral Gables. Meanwhile, knaves, The Flagship continues to march.
I get it . When we kick the Gators ass next month you'll have an excuse.........................
Why don't you just deal in the facts RattlerGator?
Here it is , just for you:
http://chopchat.com/2014/09/02/fsu-vs-sec-history-domination/
For those of you who don't want to read a bit, the Nole's are ahead of the Gators 20-19-1 since 1976.
And the SEC in General? 45-30-2 right at 60% winning percentage. (Since 1976).
Please try and come up with some horse manure that disputes the actual records, I'll enjoy reading it.
Oh, and Jimbo Fisher? He's 5-1 against the SEC as head coach at FSU. Keep on smokin' the crack pipe, RattlerGator, we'll keep smokin'
your team.
Quote from: MusicMan on October 15, 2015, 08:45:46 PM
Here it is , just for you:
http://chopchat.com/2014/09/02/fsu-vs-sec-history-domination/
For those of you who don't want to read a bit, the Nole's are ahead of the Gators 20-19-1 since 1976.
And the SEC in General? 45-30-2 right at 60% winning percentage. (Since 1976).
Please try and come up with some horse manure that disputes the actual records, I'll enjoy reading it.
That article was not convincing at all...to me it reads like someone trying really hard to twist stats and it was pretty transparent.
Are you saying you'd be proud to be a .600 team in the SEC? In that same time (since 1976) the gators are 209-88-1 in the SEC, better than 70% winning percentage.
I'm not saying that proves anything...other than to show it's silly to dig into the arbitrary depths of history to find one kernel of support for an argument.
1976 was Bobby Bowden's first season at FSU. But just for more perspective:
All-time FSU vs UF record is 23-34-2
All-time FSU vs SEC record is 50-69-7
Quote from: RattlerGator on October 15, 2015, 08:13:42 PM
When you play in the toughest conference in the nation, one that even Bobby Bowden acknowledged he was scared to enter for fear he'd not be able to win a national championship (check the St. Pete Times -- it's in there), you don't need to worry about scheduling out-of-conference games outside the state of Florida.
please explain then why other SEC schools like Alabama, LSU, Tennessee, and Georgia regularly play tough non-conference road games?
btw, might want to take a look at the US News rankings...the University of New Jersey at Coral Gables passed the flagship a few years ago.
I know it's hard for envious Noles, REALLY hard, but let me help you -- since it *is* something of a compliment to you and the Canes.
The University of Florida is the only school in the nation -- the only one -- to play in a serious football conference that also regularly plays a traditional modern football power EVERY YEAR out of conference. Bama can't say that, LSU can't say that, Tennessee can't say that, Georgia can't say that.
Alabama picks and chooses a few teams to play at the beginning of the year. Sometimes. They have no one that matches FSU or Miami on their annual out-of-conference schedule, and Florida occasionally plays BOTH Miami and FSU Out of Conference in the same season (2019 is the next occurrence).
LSU picks and chooses a few teams to play at the beginning of the year. Sometimes. They have no one that matches FSU or Miami on their annual out-of-conference schedule, and Florida occasionally plays BOTH Miami and FSU OOC in the same season (2019 is the next occurrence).
Tennessee picks and chooses a few teams to play at the beginning of the year. Sometimes. They have no one that matches FSU or Miami on their annual out-of-conference schedule, and Florida occasionally plays BOTH Miami and FSU OOC in the same season (2019 is the next occurrence).
Georgia picks and chooses a few teams to play at the beginning of the year. Sometimes. They have no one that matches FSU or Miami on their annual out-of-conference schedule, and Florida occasionally plays BOTH Miami and FSU OOC in the same season (2019 is the next occurrence).
Did I repeat the fact enough for ya? Do you get it now?
The reason why CBS gave the SEC the only national TV contract for a college football conference back in the 1990s was because it was clear what conference was easily the best in the nation. Only the SEC has such a wide range of bigtime programs that have won national championships in the last 25 years. No other conference even comes close. Florida, Bama, Auburn, Tennessee and LSU have all won titles in that timeframe. There have been multiple years in that period where Florida has played all four of those other teams on its schedule; there is never a year when Florida plays less than two of them. FSU may never have had TWO such teams on its regular schedule in any one year. Nor Miami.
Florida never has less than two on its regular schedule and neither you nor the Canes may have had as much as two on your regular schedule.
Again, tufsu, I refer you to an objective fact -- Bobby Bowden in the St. Pete Times. Remember? He was man enough to admit it and I know plenty of knowledgeable Noles who do the same. But even if many of y'all never will do the same, the whole nation knows it. And when (or should I say, IF!) y'all get that ACC Network with the kind of distribution the SEC Network has, maybe you can say something serious on the subject.
So you get to play a lesser schedule, and cherry pick your big games most seasons, and you've snuck through for three titles. Okay. Bully for you. But neither you nor the Canes have ever played in the toughest college football conference in the nation or dominated it. We have.
There can only be one, tufsu, and we are that one. In the Great Sunshine State and in the SEC. Bow down, knave.
And MusicMan, ain't no damn body skurred of Jimbo Fisher. #BeforeJameis and #AfterJameis. Get used to that phrasing because *you* may have forgotten the pre-Jameis Jimbo but I sure as hell haven't. We'll see how you do going forward. Just remember --Jimbo, Jimbo, he's your man !!!
Somebody has been drinking WAY too much gatorade....wow
Quote from: Elwood on October 17, 2015, 05:45:50 AM
Somebody has been drinking WAY too much gatorade....wow
It's good stuff ;)
Quote from: RattlerGator on October 17, 2015, 12:35:34 AM
I know it's hard for envious Noles, REALLY hard, but let me help you -- since it *is* something of a compliment to you and the Canes.
The University of Florida is the only school in the nation -- the only one -- to play in a serious football conference that also regularly plays a traditional modern football power EVERY YEAR out of conference. Bama can't say that, LSU can't say that, Tennessee can't say that, Georgia can't say that.
Alabama picks and chooses a few teams to play at the beginning of the year. Sometimes. They have no one that matches FSU or Miami on their annual out-of-conference schedule, and Florida occasionally plays BOTH Miami and FSU Out of Conference in the same season (2019 is the next occurrence).
LSU picks and chooses a few teams to play at the beginning of the year. Sometimes. They have no one that matches FSU or Miami on their annual out-of-conference schedule, and Florida occasionally plays BOTH Miami and FSU OOC in the same season (2019 is the next occurrence).
Tennessee picks and chooses a few teams to play at the beginning of the year. Sometimes. They have no one that matches FSU or Miami on their annual out-of-conference schedule, and Florida occasionally plays BOTH Miami and FSU OOC in the same season (2019 is the next occurrence).
Georgia picks and chooses a few teams to play at the beginning of the year. Sometimes. They have no one that matches FSU or Miami on their annual out-of-conference schedule, and Florida occasionally plays BOTH Miami and FSU OOC in the same season (2019 is the next occurrence).
Did I repeat the fact enough for ya? Do you get it now?
The reason why CBS gave the SEC the only national TV contract for a college football conference back in the 1990s was because it was clear what conference was easily the best in the nation. Only the SEC has such a wide range of bigtime programs that have won national championships in the last 25 years. No other conference even comes close. Florida, Bama, Auburn, Tennessee and LSU have all won titles in that timeframe. There have been multiple years in that period where Florida has played all four of those other teams on its schedule; there is never a year when Florida plays less than two of them. FSU may never have had TWO such teams on its regular schedule in any one year. Nor Miami.
Florida never has less than two on its regular schedule and neither you nor the Canes may have had as much as two on your regular schedule.
Again, tufsu, I refer you to an objective fact -- Bobby Bowden in the St. Pete Times. Remember? He was man enough to admit it and I know plenty of knowledgeable Noles who do the same. But even if many of y'all never will do the same, the whole nation knows it. And when (or should I say, IF!) y'all get that ACC Network with the kind of distribution the SEC Network has, maybe you can say something serious on the subject.
So you get to play a lesser schedule, and cherry pick your big games most seasons, and you've snuck through for three titles. Okay. Bully for you. But neither you nor the Canes have ever played in the toughest college football conference in the nation or dominated it. We have.
There can only be one, tufsu, and we are that one. In the Great Sunshine State and in the SEC. Bow down, knave.
And MusicMan, ain't no damn body skurred of Jimbo Fisher. #BeforeJameis and #AfterJameis. Get used to that phrasing because *you* may have forgotten the pre-Jameis Jimbo but I sure as hell haven't. We'll see how you do going forward. Just remember --Jimbo, Jimbo, he's your man !!!
In your honor all I can say is "IT'S GREAT TO HATE A FLORIDA GATOR!" Good luck with LSU today. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Umm rattler....USC plays Notre Dame every year and the other USC plays Clemson every year.
And please...lets be honest....UF stopped playing Miami regularly 25 years ago. FSU, on the other hand continued to play both as out of conference games through the mid 2000s.
And as to your reference about scheduling national champions I refer you to 2007, when FSU played Florida (2006 title) and Alabama (2008 title). We also play Alabama again in 2017 and have been trying to schedule with Auburn. We have also played Notre Dame several times in regular season (before they signed the semi ACC agreement) and had a recent home and home with Oklahoma.
Quote from: tufsu1 on October 17, 2015, 09:17:35 AM
Umm rattler....USC plays Notre Dame every year and the other USC plays Clemson every year.
And please...lets be honest....UF stopped playing Miami regularly 25 years ago. FSU, on the other hand continued to play both as out of conference games through the mid 2000s.
And as to your reference about scheduling national champions I refer you to 2007, when FSU played Florida (2006 title) and Alabama (2008 title). We also play Alabama again in 2017 and have been trying to schedule with Auburn. We have also played Notre Dame several times in regular season (before they signed the semi ACC agreement) and had a recent home and home with Oklahoma.
Playing a weak in-conference schedule requires FSU to do so that they didn't get left out of the BCS or now the CFP. Bobby knew he could be the top dog in a weak conference, continue to schedule 1 or 2 tough OOC games as they did as independents and have an easier time than the grind of the SEC week in and week out.
Also, if Florida vs Georgia leaves Jacksonville, it will give Florida more of an opportunity to schedule OOC games without having to drop to 6 home games a year, sure it's not automatic but we will have to see. Otherwise the OOC games will strictly be pre-season kickoff games. 7 home games pays the bills, with plenty left over to fund other sports and academic scholarships. We all know CFB is all about the $$$$.
^ I'm pretty sure that "weak conference" swept the mighty SEC Thanksgiving weekend last year!
http://espn.go.com/blog/acc/post/_/id/77864/fact-acc-delivers-message-to-sec
http://thebiglead.com/2014/12/03/was-the-acc-the-nations-best-college-football-conference-in-2014/
oh and this
http://collegefootball.blog.ajc.com/2015/05/01/nine-acc-players-taken-in-first-round-of-nfl-draft-seven-for-sec/
LSU Tigers 35 UF Gators 28
Quote from: RattlerGator on October 17, 2015, 12:35:34 AM
I know it's hard for envious Noles, REALLY hard, but let me help you -- since it *is* something of a compliment to you and the Canes.
The University of Florida is the only school in the nation -- the only one -- to play in a serious football conference that also regularly plays a traditional modern football power EVERY YEAR out of conference. Bama can't say that, LSU can't say that, Tennessee can't say that, Georgia can't say that.
Alabama picks and chooses a few teams to play at the beginning of the year. Sometimes. They have no one that matches FSU or Miami on their annual out-of-conference schedule, and Florida occasionally plays BOTH Miami and FSU Out of Conference in the same season (2019 is the next occurrence).
LSU picks and chooses a few teams to play at the beginning of the year. Sometimes. They have no one that matches FSU or Miami on their annual out-of-conference schedule, and Florida occasionally plays BOTH Miami and FSU OOC in the same season (2019 is the next occurrence).
Tennessee picks and chooses a few teams to play at the beginning of the year. Sometimes. They have no one that matches FSU or Miami on their annual out-of-conference schedule, and Florida occasionally plays BOTH Miami and FSU OOC in the same season (2019 is the next occurrence).
Georgia picks and chooses a few teams to play at the beginning of the year. Sometimes. They have no one that matches FSU or Miami on their annual out-of-conference schedule, and Florida occasionally plays BOTH Miami and FSU OOC in the same season (2019 is the next occurrence).
Did I repeat the fact enough for ya? Do you get it now?
The reason why CBS gave the SEC the only national TV contract for a college football conference back in the 1990s was because it was clear what conference was easily the best in the nation. Only the SEC has such a wide range of bigtime programs that have won national championships in the last 25 years. No other conference even comes close. Florida, Bama, Auburn, Tennessee and LSU have all won titles in that timeframe. There have been multiple years in that period where Florida has played all four of those other teams on its schedule; there is never a year when Florida plays less than two of them. FSU may never have had TWO such teams on its regular schedule in any one year. Nor Miami.
Florida never has less than two on its regular schedule and neither you nor the Canes may have had as much as two on your regular schedule.
Again, tufsu, I refer you to an objective fact -- Bobby Bowden in the St. Pete Times. Remember? He was man enough to admit it and I know plenty of knowledgeable Noles who do the same. But even if many of y'all never will do the same, the whole nation knows it. And when (or should I say, IF!) y'all get that ACC Network with the kind of distribution the SEC Network has, maybe you can say something serious on the subject.
So you get to play a lesser schedule, and cherry pick your big games most seasons, and you've snuck through for three titles. Okay. Bully for you. But neither you nor the Canes have ever played in the toughest college football conference in the nation or dominated it. We have.
There can only be one, tufsu, and we are that one. In the Great Sunshine State and in the SEC. Bow down, knave.
And MusicMan, ain't no damn body skurred of Jimbo Fisher. #BeforeJameis and #AfterJameis. Get used to that phrasing because *you* may have forgotten the pre-Jameis Jimbo but I sure as hell haven't. We'll see how you do going forward. Just remember --Jimbo, Jimbo, he's your man !!!
Yeah, like I said, SEC Least http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2015/10/28/9630824/sec-west-sec-east-division-rankings-advanced-stats (http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2015/10/28/9630824/sec-west-sec-east-division-rankings-advanced-stats)
QuoteBut the SEC West is incredible! Yes, that's still true. But the SEC East is drastically pulling down the rest of the conference. In fact, according to Bill Connelly's S&P+ ratings, the SEC East is the worst power five division, and it's closer in strength to the AAC West than it is to even the Big Ten East.
The SEC is still the best conference in college football, but it's clear now that the conference was overrated in the offseason, as statistically, it is much closer to its peers in the ACC and Big Ten than previously expected.
But the SEC West is incredible! Yes, that's still true. But the SEC East is drastically pulling down the rest of the conference. In fact, according to Bill Connelly's S&P+ ratings, the SEC East is the worst power five division, and it's closer in strength to the AAC West than it is to even the Big Ten East. The disparity between the SEC divisions is striking, but it makes sense given the records between the two so far this season. The SEC West is 8-1 against the East so far this season.
The East only has non-conference losses to Western Kentucky and Oklahoma, but its teams have also played just about nobody -- they are 1-1 against power conference opponents -- and had close calls against Eastern Kentucky, UConn, East Carolina, Bowling Green and Middle Tennessee. Florida is the only team in the East that's ranked in the AP poll, and Georgia is the only other one receiving votes.
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2015/10/28/9630824/sec-west-sec-east-division-rankings-advanced-stats
Quote from: The_Choose_1 on October 29, 2015, 09:26:08 AM
The SEC is still the best conference in college football, but it's clear now that the conference was overrated in the offseason, as statistically, it is much closer to its peers in the ACC and Big Ten than previously expected.
But the SEC West is incredible! Yes, that's still true. But the SEC East is drastically pulling down the rest of the conference. In fact, according to Bill Connelly's S&P+ ratings, the SEC East is the worst power five division, and it's closer in strength to the AAC West than it is to even the Big Ten East. The disparity between the SEC divisions is striking, but it makes sense given the records between the two so far this season. The SEC West is 8-1 against the East so far this season.
Did you mean Big Ten West? The BIG West is the weak one and more comparable to the SEC East, which is pretty bad right now except for Florida. The BIG East is definitely better (statistically) than the SEC East and getting better. Not quite the SEC West yet but we shall see in the coming years with Michigan improving quickly and Penn State coming off sanctions and improving under James Franklin. 4 of the top 10 recruiting classes coming in next year are in the BIG East (OSU, MSU, UM and PSU).
I honestly cannot fathom how Georgia is not ranked with the talent they bring in every year. Even with injuries they have no one to blame but themselves. Georgia should never ever not be ranked with all the recruits in the state of Georgia and they are the only major program in the state (GTECH does not really pull in the top level recruits). It just doesn't make sense to me that they are not a top 10 team every year and stay there.
Well, the SEC East is presumed to be pretty weak this year. Presumed! We'll see how the season ends up. All I know is that a "weak" SEC East is an aberration, not a norm. And everything I wrote above is historically accurate.
tufsu for some weird reason cites Southern Cal playing Notre Dame every year as relevant to this discussion. Um, are you crazy? Over the last 25 years Notre Dame somehow approximates FSU? In what bizarre universe? Similarly, over the last 25 years Clemson somehow approximates FSU? This is laughably absurd crazy stuff. Stop with the foolishness. And none of the above comments contemplate our occasional playing of both Miami and FSU in the same year in addition to an SEC slate with multiple teams that have won national championships is the last quarter-century. No one else does that, and it isn't open for debate.
The silence of Noles or Canes addressing any of those points are instructive.
No one else in the country even debates this. That's why CBS was the only national network in the 90s to give a football conference a national contract. But, envious Noles and Canes have to do their whining. Cool. Duly noted and rightfully ignored. Again, while proudly sipping my Gatorade, I invite the "Anybody But Florida" crowd to go back to the archives. Read Bobby Bowden in the St. Pete Times. Then take the hint; there's really nothing for you to say.
Quote from: RattlerGator on October 30, 2015, 08:25:30 AM
Well, the SEC East is presumed to be pretty weak this year. Presumed! We'll see how the season ends up. All I know is that a "weak" SEC East is an aberration, not a norm.
I dunno. A perennial Big 12 "also-ran" walked right in and dominated it...in it's first 2 years. Kind of shatters that myth.
Quote from: RattlerGator on October 30, 2015, 08:25:30 AM
No one else in the country even debates this. That's why CBS was the only national network in the 90s to give a football conference a national contract. But, envious Noles and Canes have to do their whining. Cool. Duly noted and rightfully ignored. Again, while proudly sipping my Gatorade, I invite the "Anybody But Florida" crowd to go back to the archives. Read Bobby Bowden in the St. Pete Times. Then take the hint; there's really nothing for you to say.
By that logic, Notre Dame must be the greatest team in all the land. I mean, they have their own television contract...years before CBS/SEC partnership.
How is this conversation still going? Give it up. We'll all find out how bad FSU sucks in a few weeks anyway.
And we won't have to wait that long to see how bad the Gators suck, might even be tomorrow.
The gators are 2 plays away from complete mediocrity. If Tennessee kicker was 2 feet to the left and the East Carolina quarterback had not dropped the ball you might very well be a 3 loss team.
Quote from: MusicMan on October 30, 2015, 04:29:06 PM
And we won't have to wait that long to see how bad the Gators suck, might even be tomorrow.
Wrong !!!
Well, keep hope alive MusicMan. Grievously wrong on this point, grievously wrong yesterday, but -- a stopped clock is correct twice a day. Maybe your Noles will come through for you in Gainesville.
Maybe.
"Flagship" looking more like a dinghy today, RG.
^ Ha....Anchors Down!
I believe UF has what RattlerGator would call an epic offense!
The Seminoles just barfed all over Clemson's Memorial Stadium. Hard to believe Jimbo would never give Everett Golson a chance to move the team.
The offense was putrid, and S Maguire was awful. Defense played well enough to win.
I was pretty disappointed. Would much rather have seen Clemson come away with a loss, and a 1-loss Noles team showdown with a 1-loss Gators.
Quote from: MusicMan on November 07, 2015, 07:11:18 PM
The Seminoles just barfed all over Clemson's Memorial Stadium. Hard to believe Jimbo would never give Everett Golson a chance to move the team.
The offense was putrid, and S Maguire was awful. Defense played well enough to win.
sorry, but I just don't see it that way. Golson is more mobile, but Maguire has the better arm. Not sure either of them would have been super effective today. Clemson has a Top 5 offense and a Top 5 defense. They clearly have a better team than FSU this year, and likely are the best in the country.
Maguire is the correct choice. Wish he would've played a little better but Rome wasn't built in a day.
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Quote from: tufsu1 on November 07, 2015, 09:11:49 PMClemson has a Top 5 offense and a Top 5 defense. They clearly have a better team than FSU this year, and likely are the best in the country.
Way to prop up your loss. Clemson was the weakest looking garbage "#1" I have ever seen. They will get DESTROYED by OSU, Bama, Baylor, LSU, and could even lose to the Gators. ACC is such a joke.
We beat LSU in Atlanta a few years ago in a really close game.
We beat OSU in Miami year before last in a game that was not nearly as close as the score suggested.
I haven't seen a 'garbage' win yet this season. I guess we'll just have to wait until January to find out.
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Quote from: tufsu1 on November 07, 2015, 09:11:49 PMClemson has a Top 5 offense and a Top 5 defense. They clearly have a better team than FSU this year, and likely are the best in the country.
Way to prop up your loss. Clemson was the weakest looking garbage "#1" I have ever seen. They will get DESTROYED by OSU, Bama, Baylor, LSU, and could even lose to the Gators. ACC is such a joke.
Ummmmm have you watched college football at all this season? There is no clear dominant team this season, so to say Clemson would get destroyed by any of those teams is just silly. Baylor? They are playing a true freshman QB and went to the wire against a mediocre K-State team while Ohio State has continued to struggle all season against sub-par opponents.
Bama had that loss to Ole Miss, but since then has been pretty impressive. Their defense looked scary vs LSU last weekend and they haven't been having trouble getting points on the board.
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Quote from: Murder_me_Rachel on November 09, 2015, 09:14:46 AM
Quote from: tufsu1 on November 07, 2015, 09:11:49 PMClemson has a Top 5 offense and a Top 5 defense. They clearly have a better team than FSU this year, and likely are the best in the country.
Way to prop up your loss. Clemson was the weakest looking garbage "#1" I have ever seen. They will get DESTROYED by OSU, Bama, Baylor, LSU, and could even lose to the Gators. ACC is such a joke.
Ummmmm have you watched college football at all this season?
No
Quote from: MusicMan on November 07, 2015, 02:43:33 PM
"Flagship" looking more like a dinghy today, RG.
True. I was on "In-law" duty with the wife up in Carolina last weekend (the rains have loosed some incredible mosquitoes and other vermin in the Lowcountry -- monster swarms that had to be seen to be believed); couldn't watch the game & only heard some of the early game on my phone. Sounded like we should have been winning 21 or 24 to zip in the 2nd quarter when I had to stop listening (it was 6-zip at the time). I almost had a heart attack when I saw it was 7-6 in the 4th quarter.
Don't want to see it, don't want to read about it. We got the W and are SEC East Champions. That's all that matters to me.
As for the Noles and Clemson -- that "other" Carolina may just beat Clemson in the ACC title game and the Wolfpack may get FSU before then. It's a crazy year. But from what I saw, Bama looked damn good and is clearly number one in my book until proven otherwise -- which is exactly what will happen when we take them down at the GatorDome up in Atlanta.
Come on Big Orange and Blue !!!
Hard to believe BAMA lost to Ole Miss. Which demonstrates sometimes the best team does not win. No one who knows anything about college football would say Ole Miss is better than BAMA, but they won on that night. It's why we play the games............................
Complete ass whipping in front of a record home crowd. Total domination. All the Gator BS in this link was a mountian of horse manure.
The ACC pretty much beat down the SEC this weekend, with the exception of Georgia Tech.
Let the excuses begin................................
No excuses from me. Gators have no offense. Noles were the far better team.
I don't think Clemson or Louisville's wins qualified as beat downs.
Quote from: MusicMan on November 28, 2015, 11:18:20 PM
Complete ass whipping in front of a record home crowd. Total domination. All the Gator BS in this link was a mountian of horse manure.
The ACC pretty much beat down the SEC this weekend, with the exception of Georgia Tech.
I believe the word RattlerGator used a few weeks ago was EPIC. I questioned it, as the signs of offensive ineptitude were there then. I have now seen live the "flagship" lose to their "baby sister" 11 times in 18 games (and some view the 1994 tie as a loss for UF), including 4 out of 6 in Gainesville since 1995. And the current streak is 5 out of 6, and 3 straight in the swamp.
As for ACC-SEC rivalry weekend, the combined record is 7-1 over the past two years.
Any thoughts RG?
Quote from: tufsu1 on November 29, 2015, 08:19:38 AM
I believe the word RattlerGator used a few weeks ago was EPIC. I questioned it, as the signs of offensive ineptitude were there then. I have now seen live the "flagship" lose to their "baby sister" 11 times in 18 games (and some view the 1994 tie as a loss for UF), including 4 out of 6 in Gainesville since 1995. And the current streak is 5 out of 6, and 3 straight in the swamp.
It's not considered the flagship university because of its football programme (which is probably a good thing).
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Quote from: tufsu1 on November 29, 2015, 08:19:38 AM
I believe the word RattlerGator used a few weeks ago was EPIC. I questioned it, as the signs of offensive ineptitude were there then. I have now seen live the "flagship" lose to their "baby sister" 11 times in 18 games (and some view the 1994 tie as a loss for UF), including 4 out of 6 in Gainesville since 1995. And the current streak is 5 out of 6, and 3 straight in the swamp.
It's not considered the flagship university because of its football programme (which is probably a good thing).
Call it what you want but the Florida State Seminoles bet the Florida Gators 27 - 2 in Gainesville Florida. FSU! FSU! (https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/d3/4d/01/d34d0169d72812d22e5e991749487a9d.jpg)
I think football is stupid.
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Quote from: tufsu1 on November 29, 2015, 08:19:38 AM
I believe the word RattlerGator used a few weeks ago was EPIC. I questioned it, as the signs of offensive ineptitude were there then. I have now seen live the "flagship" lose to their "baby sister" 11 times in 18 games (and some view the 1994 tie as a loss for UF), including 4 out of 6 in Gainesville since 1995. And the current streak is 5 out of 6, and 3 straight in the swamp.
It's not considered the flagship university because of its football programme (which is probably a good thing).
UF and FSU are recognized as co-flagship universities in the state.
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Quote from: Adam White on November 29, 2015, 08:35:51 AM
Quote from: tufsu1 on November 29, 2015, 08:19:38 AM
I believe the word RattlerGator used a few weeks ago was EPIC. I questioned it, as the signs of offensive ineptitude were there then. I have now seen live the "flagship" lose to their "baby sister" 11 times in 18 games (and some view the 1994 tie as a loss for UF), including 4 out of 6 in Gainesville since 1995. And the current streak is 5 out of 6, and 3 straight in the swamp.
It's not considered the flagship university because of its football programme (which is probably a good thing).
UF and FSU are recognized as co-flagship universities in the state.
Sure they are.
But in order to avoid confusion, I shall re-word my comment as follows:
FSU has the better football programme. But UF is consistently ranked as the best university in the State by pretty much every organisation that ranks universities (though UM runs it pretty close).
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Quote from: FSBA on November 29, 2015, 12:07:49 PM
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Quote from: tufsu1 on November 29, 2015, 08:19:38 AM
I believe the word RattlerGator used a few weeks ago was EPIC. I questioned it, as the signs of offensive ineptitude were there then. I have now seen live the "flagship" lose to their "baby sister" 11 times in 18 games (and some view the 1994 tie as a loss for UF), including 4 out of 6 in Gainesville since 1995. And the current streak is 5 out of 6, and 3 straight in the swamp.
It's not considered the flagship university because of its football programme (which is probably a good thing).
UF and FSU are recognized as co-flagship universities in the state.
Sure they are.
But in order to avoid confusion, I shall re-word my comment as follows:
FSU has the better football programme. But UF is consistently ranked as the best university in the State by pretty much every organisation that ranks universities (though UM runs it pretty close).
There is no "flagship" status in Florida. It's a booster term that doesn't mean anything in the type of university system we have, where each university is essentially independent. Boosters in the state legislature periodically try to push through "flagship" status either for UF, or for both UF and FSU, but it has never come to anything. They did come up with a "research flagship" status, but it's limited to the area of research only, is judged by objective research benchmarks, and includes USF as well as UF and Florida State.
The "flagship" debate is really just another school rivalry point between these two schools, similar to their repeated attempts to be recognized as the "oldest" schools based dates that are essentially false.
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Quote from: Adam White on November 29, 2015, 12:27:21 PM
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Quote from: Adam White on November 29, 2015, 08:35:51 AM
Quote from: tufsu1 on November 29, 2015, 08:19:38 AM
I believe the word RattlerGator used a few weeks ago was EPIC. I questioned it, as the signs of offensive ineptitude were there then. I have now seen live the "flagship" lose to their "baby sister" 11 times in 18 games (and some view the 1994 tie as a loss for UF), including 4 out of 6 in Gainesville since 1995. And the current streak is 5 out of 6, and 3 straight in the swamp.
It's not considered the flagship university because of its football programme (which is probably a good thing).
UF and FSU are recognized as co-flagship universities in the state.
Sure they are.
But in order to avoid confusion, I shall re-word my comment as follows:
FSU has the better football programme. But UF is consistently ranked as the best university in the State by pretty much every organisation that ranks universities (though UM runs it pretty close).
There is no "flagship" status in Florida. It's a booster term that doesn't mean anything in the type of university system we have, where each university is essentially independent. Boosters in the state legislature periodically try to push through "flagship" status either for UF, or for both UF and FSU, but it has never come to anything. They did come up with a "research flagship" status, but it's limited to the area of research only, is judged by objective research benchmarks, and includes USF as well as UF and Florida State.
The "flagship" debate is really just another school rivalry point between these two schools, similar to their repeated attempts to be recognized as the "oldest" schools based dates that are essentially false.
I believe the College Board recognises UF as the State's flagship. Whether or not that means anything is anyone's guess.
Edit: http://trends.collegeboard.org/college-pricing/figures-tables/2015-16-tuition-and-fees-flagship-universities-and-five-year-percentage-change (http://trends.collegeboard.org/college-pricing/figures-tables/2015-16-tuition-and-fees-flagship-universities-and-five-year-percentage-change)
Quote from: Adam White on November 29, 2015, 12:27:21 PM
Quote from: FSBA on November 29, 2015, 12:07:49 PM
Quote from: Adam White on November 29, 2015, 08:35:51 AM
Quote from: tufsu1 on November 29, 2015, 08:19:38 AM
I believe the word RattlerGator used a few weeks ago was EPIC. I questioned it, as the signs of offensive ineptitude were there then. I have now seen live the "flagship" lose to their "baby sister" 11 times in 18 games (and some view the 1994 tie as a loss for UF), including 4 out of 6 in Gainesville since 1995. And the current streak is 5 out of 6, and 3 straight in the swamp.
It's not considered the flagship university because of its football programme (which is probably a good thing).
UF and FSU are recognized as co-flagship universities in the state.
Sure they are.
But in order to avoid confusion, I shall re-word my comment as follows:
FSU has the better football programme. But UF is consistently ranked as the best university in the State by pretty much every organisation that ranks universities (though UM runs it pretty close).
UF best university in the State of Denial is more like it. Why is it after the Gator football team loses. Gator Fans have to beat their chests telling everyone that they feel UF is the better team. I know of a man that wanted to go to the UF of Florida after he got out of UNF. But Florida wouldn't take him because he was home schooled. So he went to Georgia Tech and next month or first of the new year 2016 will get his PhD in Mechanical Engineering/Nanotechnology. Way to go University of Florida! Dumb asses.
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Quote from: Adam White on November 29, 2015, 12:27:21 PM
Quote from: FSBA on November 29, 2015, 12:07:49 PM
Quote from: Adam White on November 29, 2015, 08:35:51 AM
Quote from: tufsu1 on November 29, 2015, 08:19:38 AM
I believe the word RattlerGator used a few weeks ago was EPIC. I questioned it, as the signs of offensive ineptitude were there then. I have now seen live the "flagship" lose to their "baby sister" 11 times in 18 games (and some view the 1994 tie as a loss for UF), including 4 out of 6 in Gainesville since 1995. And the current streak is 5 out of 6, and 3 straight in the swamp.
It's not considered the flagship university because of its football programme (which is probably a good thing).
UF and FSU are recognized as co-flagship universities in the state.
Sure they are.
But in order to avoid confusion, I shall re-word my comment as follows:
FSU has the better football programme. But UF is consistently ranked as the best university in the State by pretty much every organisation that ranks universities (though UM runs it pretty close).
There is no "flagship" status in Florida. It's a booster term that doesn't mean anything in the type of university system we have, where each university is essentially independent. Boosters in the state legislature periodically try to push through "flagship" status either for UF, or for both UF and FSU, but it has never come to anything. They did come up with a "research flagship" status, but it's limited to the area of research only, is judged by objective research benchmarks, and includes USF as well as UF and Florida State.
The "flagship" debate is really just another school rivalry point between these two schools, similar to their repeated attempts to be recognized as the "oldest" schools based dates that are essentially false.
I believe the College Board recognises UF as the State's flagship. Whether or not that means anything is anyone's guess.
Edit: http://trends.collegeboard.org/college-pricing/figures-tables/2015-16-tuition-and-fees-flagship-universities-and-five-year-percentage-change (http://trends.collegeboard.org/college-pricing/figures-tables/2015-16-tuition-and-fees-flagship-universities-and-five-year-percentage-change)
Yes, you can find some reports by third parties that do refer to UF, or sometimes UF and FSU, as "flagships". It's often done when they're trying to compare the "top" public school from each of the states, which always struck me as silly. Not all state university systems are comparable, and some states (Michigan, North Carolina, California) have multiple schools that outrank even the best schools in other states.
A few states do have flagship schools or campuses, and various others with strong systems have schools where the "prestige" programs and funding are concentrated, even if they don't use word "flagship". Florida is not one of those states.
Quote from: Tacachale on November 29, 2015, 12:57:09 PM
Yes, you can find some reports by third parties that do refer to UF, or sometimes UF and FSU, as "flagships". It's often done when they're trying to compare the "top" public school from each of the states, which always struck me as silly. Not all state university systems are comparable, and some states (Michigan, North Carolina, California) have multiple schools that outrank even the best schools in other states.
A few states do have flagship schools or campuses, and various others with strong systems have schools where the "prestige" programs and funding are concentrated, even if they don't use word "flagship". Florida is not one of those states.
Yes, I realise that. I think it's down to the fact that the term doesn't have a single meaning - or more accurately, is employed by a variety of different people in both official and unofficial capacities.
But we're getting away from my original post and the point behind it - which was not so much to denigrate FSU as to point out that the term doesn't really have anything to do with football. So yeah, FSU might beat the "flagship" a bunch at football, but that doesn't mean anything.
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Quote from: Tacachale on November 29, 2015, 12:57:09 PM
Yes, you can find some reports by third parties that do refer to UF, or sometimes UF and FSU, as "flagships". It's often done when they're trying to compare the "top" public school from each of the states, which always struck me as silly. Not all state university systems are comparable, and some states (Michigan, North Carolina, California) have multiple schools that outrank even the best schools in other states.
A few states do have flagship schools or campuses, and various others with strong systems have schools where the "prestige" programs and funding are concentrated, even if they don't use word "flagship". Florida is not one of those states.
Yes, I realise that. I think it's down to the fact that the term doesn't have a single meaning - or more accurately, is employed by a variety of different people in both official and unofficial capacities.
But we're getting away from my original post and the point behind it - which was not so much to denigrate FSU as to point out that the term doesn't really have anything to do with football. So yeah, FSU might beat the "flagship" a bunch at football, but that doesn't mean anything.
Yes, that is very true.
Come on Max. Louisville beats Kentucky on the road, Seminoles swamp the Gators at Jimbo Fisher Field in Ben Hill Griffin Stadium,
and Clemson wins at South Carolina.
We have to bury this "SEC is the Best" crap and realize, at least with those 3 programs, the ACC schools are all better, and by a significant margin.
Quote from: Adam White on November 29, 2015, 12:27:21 PM
FSU has the better football programme. But UF is consistently ranked as the best university in the State by pretty much every organisation that ranks universities (though UM runs it pretty close).
If only that were true. Miami went past UF in the US New rankings (the primary source) several years ago. And the newest rankings have them basically tied. Take a look at the acceptance rates though.
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/data
As to the flagship debate, I just repreated the term used by RattlerGator. To support what Taccachale said, the Legislature bestowed the term "preeminence" on UF and FSU a few years ago. It provides additional funding for the schools to hire top notch research faculty.
And, btw, here in the US, it is spelled "program" ;)
Quote from: MusicMan on November 29, 2015, 06:05:34 PM
Come on Max. Louisville beats Kentucky on the road, Seminoles swamp the Gators at Jimbo Fisher Field in Ben Hill Griffin Stadium,
and Clemson wins at South Carolina.
We have to bury this "SEC is the Best" crap and realize, at least with those 3 programs, the ACC schools are all better, and by a significant margin.
Umm, I said that Louisville and Clemson's wins weren't beat downs as you described them. Actually I was underwhelmed by both of those ACC teams' victories and I believe if you were being honest you'd say the same. They didnt perform up to expectations. Is Louisville much better than Kentucky, and Clemson much better than South Carolina? Yea, I think that's a fair statement. Your original assertion was wrong though. As you've said before, you're unable to be rational when it comes to college football.
Florida State's last three visits to Jimbo Fisher Field in Ben Hill Griffin Stadium,
the Seminoles with the "inferiority complex" and the "ketchup and mustard" unis have outscored the "flagship" by a combined score of 86-16.
DAMN!
Welcome to big boy football ACC style Coach Mac.
Definitely nothing special about the SEC this year.... Just an average run of the mill conference, in the grand scheme of things.
Well, the SEC East is complete garbage this year, as seen by their performances against FCS opponents, let alone the ACC. Just not their year. I think they may be even worse than the ACC Coastal or whatever hell division UNC is dominating. With that said . . . . now watch Florida beam Bama ;)
Quote from: tufsu1 on November 29, 2015, 08:19:38 AM
I believe the word RattlerGator used a few weeks ago was EPIC. I questioned it, as the signs of offensive ineptitude were there then. I have now seen live the "flagship" lose to their "baby sister" 11 times in 18 games (and some view the 1994 tie as a loss for UF), including 4 out of 6 in Gainesville since 1995. And the current streak is 5 out of 6, and 3 straight in the swamp.
As for ACC-SEC rivalry weekend, the combined record is 7-1 over the past two years.
Any thoughts RG?
My thoughts at the moment are this: owwwwwwwww !!!
For my Seminole cousins (and others in the Anybody But Florida crowd) crowing about FSU's recent ascent, a quick reminder: FSU has never won a national title that wasn't tainted, and this latest one may be the greatest taint yet. Worse, it may do more than taint your national title. The integrity of your entire program is in question. That FSU coed that y'all shat upon wants her revenge, and she may get it yet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38P3Gt15xQk
That's a biased take, no doubt about it, but she has some devastating facts on her side. We'll see how it ends -- but . . . these recent victories? Enjoy them while you can, cuz.
Nothing new here. The whole situation brought about questions of program/university integrity nearly two years ago.
And yes, as you noted, it is a biased take. The film is hardly a documentary.
Quote from: RattlerGator on November 30, 2015, 07:25:53 AM
For my Seminole cousins (and others in the Anybody But Florida crowd) crowing about FSU's recent ascent, a quick reminder: FSU has never won a national title that wasn't tainted, and this latest one may be the greatest taint yet. Worse, it may do more than taint your national title. The integrity of your entire program is in question. That FSU coed that y'all shat upon wants her revenge, and she may get it yet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38P3Gt15xQk
That's a biased take, no doubt about it, but she has some devastating facts on her side. We'll see how it ends -- but . . . these recent victories? Enjoy them while you can, cuz.
RattlerGator cry baby gator boo-hoo :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( Let me tell you this RG-Jerk devastating facts & truths are to different things. FSU 27 GATORS 2 11/28/2015 you're a true P.O.S.
What I'm really amazed about when it comes to any gator fan is the level of child like attitude they have all through life. Jesus Christ it's a football game and you lost FSU 27 Gators 2 and FSU gave you those points! So when a gator fan is down they have to bring back all what has happen to the Noles in criminal cases? Winston is in the NFL now let it go. In a civil case both parties have to tell the truth or work out a deal under the table with their high price overrated lawyers. Lets look at Will Grier the once proud quarterback of UF? I would bet that the Doctors and staff at Florida know more about his over the counter drug he was taking then what the media & public or the NCAA were told?
Quote from: The_Choose_1 on November 30, 2015, 08:11:39 AM
RattlerGator cry baby gator boo-hoo :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( Let me tell you this RG-Jerk devastating facts & truths are to different things. FSU 27 GATORS 2 11/28/2015 you're a true P.O.S.
sorry...but this is unnecessary. Seminole fans are better than that!
Quote from: The_Choose_1 on November 30, 2015, 08:22:57 AM
What I'm really amazed about when it comes to any gator fan is the level of child like attitude they have all through life.
Quote from: The_Choose_1 on November 30, 2015, 08:11:39 AMRattlerGator cry baby gator boo-hoo :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( Let me tell you this RG-Jerk devastating facts & truths are to different things. FSU 27 GATORS 2 11/28/2015 you're a true P.O.S.
Pot meet kettle ::)
Not this Seminole fan tufsu1 & Acme you're a lot like a person standing in front of a firing squad. When asked if you had any last words you would say to the shooters I hope you're using the right bullets? RattleGator and others like him could have decided not to say what they have after FSU beat the Gators 27 - 2.
What in the world are you talking about? Do yourself a favor and step away from the keyboard for a bit.
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Quote from: The_Choose_1 on November 30, 2015, 08:22:57 AM
What I'm really amazed about when it comes to any gator fan is the level of child like attitude they have all through life. Jesus Christ it's a football game and you lost FSU 27 Gators 2 and FSU gave you those points! So when a gator fan is down they have to bring back all what has happen to the Noles in criminal cases? Winston is in the NFL now let it go. In a civil case both parties have to tell the truth or work out a deal under the table with their high price overrated lawyers. Lets look at Will Grier the once proud quarterback of UF? I would bet that the Doctors and staff at Florida know more about his over the counter drug he was taking then what the media & public or the NCAA were told?
You sure do represent the Seminole fans well... ::)
Quote from: tufsu1 on November 30, 2015, 09:43:27 AM
Quote from: The_Choose_1 on November 30, 2015, 08:11:39 AM
RattlerGator cry baby gator boo-hoo :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( Let me tell you this RG-Jerk devastating facts & truths are to different things. FSU 27 GATORS 2 11/28/2015 you're a true P.O.S.
sorry...but this is unnecessary. Seminole fans are better than that!
Yep. There are terrible fans on both sides (well, for any team really) and for humanity's sake they are usually exceptions and not the rule. I choose to believe TheChoose1 is an exception.
TheChoose1 . . . are you a "Walmart Seminole?" Ie, someone who never went to college, works at Walmart, but spews obscenities and talks s*** to the nth degree when the school they support wins over their rival. You are starting to sound like one.
Quote from: CCMjax on November 30, 2015, 12:59:19 PM
TheChoose1 . . . are you a "Walmart Seminole?" Ie, someone who never went to college, works at Walmart, but spews obscenities and talks s*** to the nth degree when the school they support wins over their rival. You are starting to sound like one.
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Quote from: The_Choose_1 on November 30, 2015, 06:09:24 PM
Quote from: CCMjax on November 30, 2015, 12:59:19 PM
TheChoose1 . . . are you a "Walmart Seminole?" Ie, someone who never went to college, works at Walmart, but spews obscenities and talks s*** to the nth degree when the school they support wins over their rival. You are starting to sound like one.
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Hmmmmm, interesting. It's hard to ignore the crazy symbolism represented in this pic in the lower right. Tim Tebow = Jorts? As in . . . both were all the rage for a short number of years but didn't quite pan out at the next level/decade after busting on to the scene . . . but seem to hint at making a comeback nearly every year? I could see jorts making a lot of noise in the next year or two with a valiant comeback attempt . . . I could also see Tim Tebow making some huge announcement soon . . . while wearing jorts. Oh Snap!
The_Choose_1, I've congratulated my Seminole friends (and I have many; hard to live in Tallahassee for 25+ years and not come across more than a few) on a well-earned victory.
My point had nothing to do with crying; my point was about football. I know many Noles (although not most, sadly) embarrassed by the way their university handled the Jameis Winston situation, and many who recognize the possibility (perhaps not a probability, but certainly a possibility) that the title will have to be vacated and much shame brought down upon the university if irregularities are uncovered from Erica Kinsman's lawsuits against Jameis and her separate lawsuit against FSU.
Maybe you don't care about that. I do. But yeah, 27-2. Hell of a victory. I hope it was good for you.
Quote from: RattlerGator on December 01, 2015, 07:21:30 AM
The_Choose_1, I've congratulated my Seminole friends (and I have many; hard to live in Tallahassee for 25+ years and not come across more than a few) on a well-earned victory.
My point had nothing to do with crying; my point was about football. I know many Noles (although not most, sadly) embarrassed by the way their university handled the Jameis Winston situation, and many who recognize the possibility (perhaps not a probability, but certainly a possibility) that the title will have to be vacated and much shame brought down upon the university if irregularities are uncovered from Erica Kinsman's lawsuits against Jameis and her separate lawsuit against FSU.
Maybe you don't care about that. I do. But yeah, 27-2. Hell of a victory. I hope it was good for you.
RattlerGator I will never know if the Gators would have beaten FSU this year that you wouldn't have put forward this pending lawsuit against Winston & FSU. I only have your word. If Erica Kinsman wins her lawsuits then FSU could be in trouble. But if FSU & Winston win we will only have Gator fans to bitch & moan and the GD Florida Times Union!