Hotel & Condo Projects Proposed for Jax Beach
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The Klotz Companies Group of Companies and Tierra Linda Development plan to construct hotel and condominium project at 715 First Street North in Jacksonville Beach.
Read More: http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2015-sep-hotel-condo-projects-proposed-for-jax-beach
Cool renderings. I'm curious if the Atlantis project would also utilize the vacant lot across First Street from their oceanfront site.
The beaches developments are starting to get exciting...
This looks pretty awesome. Maybe the north end of Jax beach will be a little more upscale than the dive-ish bars from 1st-4th street.
Good stuff. Just moved back to the Beaches over the summer and development is popping up all over the place. Also, Burrito Gallery officially signed up for a location at the beach. Any update on Hawkers?
Quote from: Downtown Osprey on September 16, 2015, 09:47:57 AM
Good stuff. Just moved back to the Beaches over the summer and development is popping up all over the place. Also, Burrito Gallery officially signed up for a location at the beach. Any update on Hawkers?
I heard from a good source that they will be locating in the Beaches Town Center and hope to open sometime next year. Game-changing things are really opening up in the beaches.
Any word on this?
Also, I understand the sunlight issues, but what is with the uber strict height restrictions in Jax Beach?
Quote from: FlaBoy on August 13, 2016, 12:45:08 AM
Any word on this?
Also, I understand the sunlight issues, but what is with the uber strict height restrictions in Jax Beach?
Voter referendum passed several years back to limit structures to 35 feet. Atlantic and Neptune Beaches had the same thing in place long before that. Obviously many buildings taller than that were built prior to that referendum.
What's the goal of limiting the height of structures? Just preventing more people? Or is there some other reason?
The retirement tower at Beach and 3rd was extremely concerned about the loss of their ocean views and the residents were very local.
The other argument was that it would take away from the historical beach side community feel of the area. (NIMBY)
There is a more "mature" voting block that advocates for status quo at the beach. This is why outdoor seating and amongst other things are routinely denied at the beach.
Don't know all the politics of the height limit, but I do remember the concern about putting the beach itself in perpetual afternoon shade if towers were lined up along the oceanfront.
I wonder if a stair step approach would be palatable. 35' at First, 50 feet at 2nd, and so on. Or whatever heights would preserve a sunny beach.
I must have missed this announcement, what's the status on this project?
Quote from: Chuck McCue on August 13, 2016, 12:27:42 PM
Vert. construction is very green. Jacksonville Beach whored out is "little beach town" feel years ago. As a 3rd gen local, I say build them to the moon, just build them WEST of 1st Street. We do not need a south Florida "Condo Canyon" with limited access to us Natty lite drinkers. There is a political group that fought the building heights and basically won the fight, but, they do not speak for the real locals who live here.
There are a few spaces that are "grandfathered" in to build higher than 35'.
I agree about restricting buildings east of 1st St. If it was me I would start clearing out all of the structures between the beach and the first inland street. There should be no private ownership of waterfront.
Why stop at the first inland street? Let's take it all the way to the ditch! Yeah!!
Because the objective is to make the waterfront open to everyone. I think if you saw places that didn't allow private development on waterfronts you would find it very appealing.
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I think the sunlight argument on the beach is a good one. relieving height limits west of 1st would be a great compromise and spur development.
However, due to the mangroves, there is no real view of the water until you get to the beach itself. That makes preserving the land less enticing and creating more development with water views for the public even more necessary. Reserving the river waterfront is very important and I completely agree that it makes the city more desirable.
Quote from: FlaBoy on August 14, 2016, 07:35:28 PM
I think the sunlight argument on the beach is a good one. relieving height limits west of 1st would be a great compromise and spur development.
However, due to the mangroves, there is no real view of the water until you get to the beach itself. That makes preserving the land less enticing and creating more development with water views for the public even more necessary. Reserving the river waterfront is very important and I completely agree that it makes the city more desirable.
mangroves??
... there aren't mangroves on the beach in Jacksonville. Preserving that land is of utmost importance if you understood how beach ecosystems work...
I'm sure they meant the dunes/sea oats
http://theislandtimes.com/issue/march-2017/article/jacksonville-beach-gives-initial-approval-to-oceanfront-highrise-rezoning
QuoteThe Jacksonville Beach City Council gave initial approval to a rezoning ordinance that could lead to the construction of a proposed high rise oceanfront hotel and condominium between Sixth and Seventh Avenues North
I'm looking forward to this. More hotels are needed at the beach.
Much needed.
The 35 ft height restriction is a joke, even at the beach. It denies the property owner the opportunity to maximize a property's money-making potential. Heights much taller should be allowed from the second block going west off the beach. Shadows cast by buildings at that distance would not be an issue. Height restriction excuses are just that, excuses for inhibiting development of our beaches. Shameful!!!
^^^I totally agree.
It really depends what kind of beach town you want. Not having high rise buildings cluttering the Coastline also has its charms...
Seriously......We are Jacksonville, Florida! Not some small town on the coast. Jacksonville Beach needs to develop some high rises. I understand that they want to keep the charm, but charm doesn't bring in the BIG money like hotels, clubs and other entertainment venues! Having a tower hotel on the beach will transform Jacksonville's mindset when it comes to how beaches in BIG cities are suppose to be. Look how successful Miami, Isle of Palms, Fort Lauderdale, WPB and other communities in South FL are, they figured it out! I guarantee that if those same communities had HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS, they would not be as successful as they are today.
Wake Up Jacksonville Beach!
South Florida is a winter season. Lot's of foreigners and northerners in the winter. JAX beach season is summer. Different crowd level. I agree more hotels is not bad, but it will never be Miami, WPB, etc.
Quote from: jaxjags on March 14, 2017, 09:37:27 AM
South Florida is a winter season. Lot's of foreigners and northerners in the winter. JAX beach season is summer. Different crowd level. I agree more hotels is not bad, but it will never be Miami, WPB, etc.
God willing. We need our own identity, not copying things you can already get in South Florida.
Quote from: howfam on March 13, 2017, 10:39:32 PM
The 35 ft height restriction is a joke, even at the beach. It denies the property owner the opportunity to maximize a property's money-making potential. Heights much taller should be allowed from the second block going west off the beach. Shadows cast by buildings at that distance would not be an issue. Height restriction excuses are just that, excuses for inhibiting development of our beaches. Shameful!!!
I'm not opposed to the 35 foot height restriction in certain areas of the beach. East of 3rd street between 4th North and South should be pedestrian scale and less tall. Around the strictly residential streets of Neptune, Atlantic, and Ponte Vedra there should be limits. Otherwise I think the market should dictate the scope of projects, but zoning should guide those development towards proper street interaction and pedestrian environments.
Quote from: Captain Zissou on March 14, 2017, 11:08:55 AM
I'm not opposed to the 35 foot height restriction in certain areas of the beach. East of 3rd street between 4th North and South should be pedestrian scale and less tall. Around the strictly residential streets of Neptune, Atlantic, and Ponte Vedra there should be limits. Otherwise I think the market should dictate the scope of projects, but zoning should guide those development towards proper street interaction and pedestrian environments.
It (the height restriction) seems to me to be a bit arbitrary and might discourage otherwise appropriate development. In the areas you listed where you suggest there should be restrictions, I imagine that the local zoning boards could, even without a height restriction, ensure that new development fits the surrounding area.
I think the other myth we need to do is remove this idea (through better architecture) that a building can't both be tall and pedestrian scale.
Quote from: remc86007 on March 14, 2017, 02:13:31 PM
Quote from: Captain Zissou on March 14, 2017, 11:08:55 AM
I'm not opposed to the 35 foot height restriction in certain areas of the beach. East of 3rd street between 4th North and South should be pedestrian scale and less tall. Around the strictly residential streets of Neptune, Atlantic, and Ponte Vedra there should be limits. Otherwise I think the market should dictate the scope of projects, but zoning should guide those development towards proper street interaction and pedestrian environments.
It (the height restriction) seems to me to be a bit arbitrary and might discourage otherwise appropriate development. In the areas you listed where you suggest there should be restrictions, I imagine that the local zoning boards could, even without a height restriction, ensure that new development fits the surrounding area.
I agree that the same thing could be accomplished without using an outright height restriction.
I don't think anyone wants SoFla to come here. But let's be real, the amount of hotels in Jax Beach are unacceptable especially in the "downtown" that Jax Beach has embraced of recent. I don't think a 200 ft building in Neptune is anyone's goal. I also agree, between the beach and 1st, maybe 35 ft makes sense. But on 3rd St., it makes absolutely no sense as long as the development is walkable at the pedestrian level. The lack of hotels at our beaches hurts the whole city of Jacksonville as well. I have had friends come into town wanting to see me and stay at the beach. Instead, because of the lack of rooms, they have to stay in Southside. That is ridiculous. This is also the reason we had cruise ships for the Super Bowl while places like Tampa can handle the capacity. It hurts the whole city and community that there aren't at least 2-3 more nice hotels in the urban area at least.
Quote from: jaxjags on March 14, 2017, 09:37:27 AM
South Florida is a winter season. Lot's of foreigners and northerners in the winter. JAX beach season is summer. Different crowd level. I agree more hotels is not bad, but it will never be Miami, WPB, etc.
As long as it won't turn into Panama City beach...
Quote from: FlaBoy on March 14, 2017, 04:05:16 PM
I don't think anyone wants SoFla to come here. But let's be real, the amount of hotels in Jax Beach are unacceptable especially in the "downtown" that Jax Beach has embraced of recent. I don't think a 200 ft building in Neptune is anyone's goal. I also agree, between the beach and 1st, maybe 35 ft makes sense. But on 3rd St., it makes absolutely no sense as long as the development is walkable at the pedestrian level. The lack of hotels at our beaches hurts the whole city of Jacksonville as well. I have had friends come into town wanting to see me and stay at the beach. Instead, because of the lack of rooms, they have to stay in Southside. That is ridiculous. This is also the reason we had cruise ships for the Super Bowl while places like Tampa can handle the capacity. It hurts the whole city and community that there aren't at least 2-3 more nice hotels in the urban area at least.
I have nothing against S. Florida. We should be so lucky as to have such nice high rise development. But, if not S. Florida, at least Daytona Beach. DB has done a wonderful job of maintaining walkability along A1A and has provided public access to the actual beach every few blocks between the beautiful highrises. Closest thing we have to S. Fla. within close proximity to Jax that gives a tourist-like atmosphere. We still have a lot to accomplish along those lines here in Jax area.
Daytona? For the love of God, please no.
You know some people chose to vacation in places that DON'T have the "Florida tacky tourist" vibe?
Quote from: acme54321 on March 15, 2017, 07:54:22 AM
Daytona? For the love of God, please no.
You some people chose to vacation in places that DON'T have the "Florida tacky tourist" vibe?
Well if Daytona Beach does have that label, it's not because of the high rise hotels and condos. We need the buildings, not whatever "tacky" elements that might be involved.
I'll pass on Daytona as well. My company has an office there and I spend a good chunk of my work weeks with clients and projects in the region. Their entire main strip is in need of a makeover, regardless of building heights. A1A is a mess/ghost town, south of US 92/ISB and even they know A1A north of it is in need of a revamping:
http://www.codb.us/DocumentCenter/View/12303
With that in mind, I wasn't happy about the height limit thing when it passed a decade ago. I thought it was shortsighted but whatever. Life goes on.
We don't have to be anywhere else. We actually have a pretty unique vibe at Jax Beach. If I had to choose somewhere else, I may take a mini-Clearwater Beach but just 2-3 of those hotels near the beach.
Screw it. Lets open up some T-Shirt shops. Maybe some go karts and mini golf too. Before you know it Senior Frogs will be knocking on Duval's door! Yee haw.
Quote from: acme54321 on March 15, 2017, 09:54:57 AM
Screw it. Lets open up some T-Shirt shops. Maybe some go karts and mini golf too. Before you know it Senior Frogs will be knocking on Duval's door! Yee haw.
I think all of that is in Jax Beach already. Surfer Bar is just our local take on a Senior Frogs type beach bar.
Quote from: FlaBoy on March 15, 2017, 09:59:02 AM
Quote from: acme54321 on March 15, 2017, 09:54:57 AM
Screw it. Lets open up some T-Shirt shops. Maybe some go karts and mini golf too. Before you know it Senior Frogs will be knocking on Duval's door! Yee haw.
I think all of that is in Jax Beach already. Surfer Bar is just our local take on a Senior Frogs type beach bar.
Lol you know what I mean.
The link provided in the first post showed another planned condo called "The Beach House", planned for 1431 1st St, S., to be 11 stories tall; is the project still alive, and when will it start? Does anyone know?
I dont know any real details. There was a redevelopment sign for "Beach House" on that property for the last couple of months but it was taken down about two months ago.
Quote from: RatTownRyan on March 16, 2017, 05:21:20 PM
I dont know any real details. There was a redevelopment sign for "Beach House" on that property for the last couple of months but it was taken down about two months ago.
Well, I guess 11 stories was too much for Jax Beach to handle. That's a skyscraper you know?. LOL
A new sign just went up on the property at 14th South. " Beach House" has been changed to " Waterfall". This one calls for 10 stories instead of 11 stories.
waterfallcondominiums.com
Quote from: RatTownRyan on October 13, 2017, 05:21:15 PM
A new sign just went up on the property at 14th South. " Beach House" has been changed to " Waterfall". This one calls for 10 stories instead of 11 stories.
waterfallcondominiums.com
Thanks for the update. I hope we'll see some ground braking soon.
Quote from: RatTownRyan on October 13, 2017, 05:21:15 PM
A new sign just went up on the property at 14th South. " Beach House" has been changed to " Waterfall". This one calls for 10 stories instead of 11 stories.
waterfallcondominiums.com
Passed by a couple of days ago. Construction trailer now on site at the "Waterfall". Looks like something is finally about to happen.
Quote from: howfam on February 18, 2018, 02:32:49 AM
Quote from: RatTownRyan on October 13, 2017, 05:21:15 PM
A new sign just went up on the property at 14th South. " Beach House" has been changed to " Waterfall". This one calls for 10 stories instead of 11 stories.
waterfallcondominiums.com
Passed by a couple of days ago. Construction trailer now on site at the "Waterfall". Looks like something is finally about to happen.
Terrific! Nice to finally see some mid-high rise development out there.
Now, if we could just get the Flyer out there...
Quote from: marcuscnelson on February 18, 2018, 11:55:24 AM
Quote from: howfam on February 18, 2018, 02:32:49 AM
Quote from: RatTownRyan on October 13, 2017, 05:21:15 PM
A new sign just went up on the property at 14th South. " Beach House" has been changed to " Waterfall". This one calls for 10 stories instead of 11 stories.
waterfallcondominiums.com
Passed by a couple of days ago. Construction trailer now on site at the "Waterfall". Looks like something is finally about to happen.
Terrific! Nice to finally see some mid-high rise development out there.
Now, if we could just get the Flyer out there...
The First Coast Flyer East Corridor will launch December 2018.
Quote from: exnewsman on February 19, 2018, 09:33:59 AM
The First Coast Flyer East Corridor will launch December 2018.
Great news! The sooner we connect development, the better!
Quote from: marcuscnelson on February 18, 2018, 11:55:24 AM
Quote from: howfam on February 18, 2018, 02:32:49 AM
Quote from: RatTownRyan on October 13, 2017, 05:21:15 PM
A new sign just went up on the property at 14th South. " Beach House" has been changed to " Waterfall". This one calls for 10 stories instead of 11 stories.
waterfallcondominiums.com
Passed by a couple of days ago. Construction trailer now on site at the "Waterfall". Looks like something is finally about to happen.
Terrific! Nice to finally see some mid-high rise development out there.
Now, if we could just get the Flyer out there...
I passed by the site on last Saturday- new signs up, trailer in place with new palm trees. Encouraging , but the sign showed a 7 story building instead of the 10 or 11 story one we've talked about. Anyone know whether it has changed height? I hope not!! / howfam
You know what drives me nuts? All the kite-people at the beach these days. Kiteboarders. Kitesurfers. Kitetricyclers. Behaving like the own the place. Weaving across wide swaths of beach and ocean where other people are trying to relax and enjoy themselves, dropping their kites everywhere, nearly taking out people from time to time.