I see on Channel 4 that in the month of August 2015 Jacksonville Florida had 13 different homicides. http://www.news4jax.com/news/jacksonville-murder-rate-hits-high-in-august/35053248
^Yes.
While we've grown accustomed to accosting Stephen over titles, I can't not put this out there:
*too
Are you insinuating that they 'pulled the trigger'?
Can you even have multiples of the same murder?
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on September 02, 2015, 05:12:37 PM
While we've grown accustomed to accosting Stephen over titles, I can't not put this out there:
*too
Are you insinuating that they 'pulled the trigger'?
Can you even have multiples of the same murder?
Mayor Curry & Mike Williams campaigned they would clean up the streets, and have acted tough about lowering crime. But since they haven't been in office that long and the dream team of having more cops on the street of Jacksonville Florida hasn't happen until the new budget is passed. I have been told it's too early to blame the Mayor and The New Sheriff in Town. (https://janeaustenrunsmylife.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/hang-em-high-clint-eastwood-1968-everett.jpg)
When it comes to murder rates in Jacksonville, I think its hard to put the blame on any one person or two for that matter. The presumption is that murder is something new in Jacksonville.
And, I don't mean that in a pro any political party/elected official way. As a City, we've never addressed the real issues .. income inequality, opportunity, allocation of resources, etc. We are experiencing the end result of decades of misunderstanding of how to deal with the socioeconomic issues that have brought us to this point. And, unfortunately, I think it will take us decades to dig out from that.
I only hope the new administration sets us on the right path.
Some day gonna blame the Mayor for not feeling safe at West Side Wal Marts. A violation of civil rights.Festering subject.Kinda' weird when neighborhood Block Captains Alert suggest those in Avondale preparing for Hurricane avoid West Side Wal Marts. Same suggestion lodged by LEO friend some time ago. There are plenty of Great Headlines available to make any Mayor dance.Particularly after a campaign cycle.
Can't blame Williams, he's been on vacation :/
Williams has been nothing but a disappointment. Maybe Hackney will run.
Quote from: Apache on September 02, 2015, 09:42:04 PM
Quote from: stephendare on September 02, 2015, 09:28:04 PM
Quote from: Apache on September 02, 2015, 09:14:00 PM
Quote from: icarus on September 02, 2015, 08:00:34 PM
When it comes to murder rates in Jacksonville, I think its hard to put the blame on any one person or two for that matter. The presumption is that murder is something new in Jacksonville.
And, I don't mean that in a pro any political party/elected official way. As a City, we've never addressed the real issues .. income inequality, opportunity, allocation of resources, etc. We are experiencing the end result of decades of misunderstanding of how to deal with the socioeconomic issues that have brought us to this point. And, unfortunately, I think it will take us decades to dig out from that.
I only hope the new administration sets us on the right path.
Income inequality, inequality, opportunity, allocation of recourses. All money answers. Money answers don't work. It's not socioeconomic in my opinion. In the past, many (most) poor people have been perfectly great human beings and citizens.
What has changed is the family.
Single babies that are raising babies (or not raising more accurately) is the issue. Obviously there are exceptions, but young single mothers raising kids (or multiple kids) with no help had been the problem for the last 25 years.
I would like to see you back this up logically. And Im not taking the piss out of you. Can you demonstrate any of these points or are you simply repeating what you've heard on television?
Maybe I've had one too many bourbon. You don't see the logic in the lack of parenting leading to criminal and uncaring, unhumane actions of young punks these days?
2/3 of the children born in Iceland are born to single mothers. You don't often hear "Iceland" and "crime" mentioned in the same sentence. They did have a flourishing "punk" scene for a long time, though.
So then - there is something inherent to being a single mother AND being American which leads to crime?
Just so you know, the average age of a new mother in Iceland is 27 - whilst higher than the average age in the USA (25.6), isn't particularly high in comparison.
Quote from: stephendare on September 02, 2015, 09:47:47 PM
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=take+the+piss
That (the definition provided by Urban Dictionary) is technically incorrect. To take the piss is different to taking the piss out of someone.
If I thought you were being deliberately obtuse with Apache, you'd be taking the piss (having a laugh or being difficult for the sake of it). If you were mocking him, you'd be taking the piss out of him.
Quote from: Apache on September 02, 2015, 09:14:00 PM
Income inequality, inequality, opportunity, allocation of recourses. All money answers. Money answers don't work. It's not socioeconomic in my opinion. In the past, many (most) poor people have been perfectly great human beings and citizens.
What has changed is the family.
Single babies that are raising babies (or not raising more accurately) is the issue. Obviously there are exceptions, but young single mothers raising kids (or multiple kids) with no help had been the problem for the last 25 years.
+1000
Plus it's not like socioeconomic issues are unique to Jax, nevertheless a whole multicultural nation like the US.
Quote from: Adam White on September 03, 2015, 01:24:35 AM
2/3 of the children born in Iceland are born to single mothers. You don't often hear "Iceland" and "crime" mentioned in the same sentence. They did have a flourishing "punk" scene for a long time, though.
Apples and oranges. Also people in poor states like West Virginia aren't murdering each other at an alarming pace like say Chicago. Liberals (I'm not saying that you are) wanna think that every ethnicity is the same like a cookie cutter, and that's simply not the case; Generally speaking, we (different races/ethnicities) all have our strengths and weaknesses. There is nothing 'racist' about what I said (not saying that you are saying that).
Let me see if I understand this ... so we are saying that the aggregation of lower income families in areas that we did not provide resources ( i.e. libraries, transportation) could not find the opportunities for jobs or lawful income. Left with no other legal ways to make money turned to the black market (i.e. drugs, theft) with the obvious result that a great many of them ended up in jail. Now, they are felons and unable to obtain jobs or housing because of that brand.
Caught in a cycle of hopelessness the family unit breaks down. We have a preponderance of single mothers or fathers trying or in most cases not trying to raise their children. As a result, we have generations of children raised without a traditional moral compass and turning to the only life they know .. crime.
So ... how do we blame that on any one administration and how is that not the result of failed public policies that led to serious socio-economic issues, i.e. the relation of one group or class to the greater economy ....
Some of the main things that hurt black Americans (aside from single mothers like Apache mentioned) is perpetual victimhood, and constantly dwelling into revisionist history, which mostly is negativism (both continuously spurred on by mostly white American liberals). Japan forgave the US for nuking them, imulated alot of American tech, and now it's one of the most flourishing nations in the world, think about that.
Other black cultures like black Caribbeans, Nigerians etc) are oppressed, and have it worse than black Americans; In contrast they don't believe in that liberal 'woe is me' victimhood bullshit; they come to America opening businesses adapting to society, and constantly are running circles around most black Americans. There is some tension between Caribbean blacks etc, and American blacks because they don't subscribe to that victimhood nonsense.
Births to single mothers:
(http://www.childtrends.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/75_fig1.jpg)
Murder rate:
(http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/images/murderrate.png)
So there's a correlation alright, an inverse one.
Quote from: Murder_me_Rachel on September 03, 2015, 08:50:09 AM
Quote from: Apache on September 03, 2015, 07:24:05 AM
Quote from: Adam White on September 03, 2015, 01:24:35 AM
Quote from: Apache on September 02, 2015, 09:42:04 PM
Quote from: stephendare on September 02, 2015, 09:28:04 PM
Quote from: Apache on September 02, 2015, 09:14:00 PM
Quote from: icarus on September 02, 2015, 08:00:34 PM
When it comes to murder rates in Jacksonville, I think its hard to put the blame on any one person or two for that matter. The presumption is that murder is something new in Jacksonville.
And, I don't mean that in a pro any political party/elected official way. As a City, we've never addressed the real issues .. income inequality, opportunity, allocation of resources, etc. We are experiencing the end result of decades of misunderstanding of how to deal with the socioeconomic issues that have brought us to this point. And, unfortunately, I think it will take us decades to dig out from that.
I only hope the new administration sets us on the right path.
Income inequality, inequality, opportunity, allocation of recourses. All money answers. Money answers don't work. It's not socioeconomic in my opinion. In the past, many (most) poor people have been perfectly great human beings and citizens.
What has changed is the family.
Single babies that are raising babies (or not raising more accurately) is the issue. Obviously there are exceptions, but young single mothers raising kids (or multiple kids) with no help had been the problem for the last 25 years.
I would like to see you back this up logically. And Im not taking the piss out of you. Can you demonstrate any of these points or are you simply repeating what you've heard on television?
Maybe I've had one too many bourbon. You don't see the logic in the lack of parenting leading to criminal and uncaring, unhumane actions of young punks these days?
2/3 of the children born in Iceland are born to single mothers. You don't often hear "Iceland" and "crime" mentioned in the same sentence. They did have a flourishing "punk" scene for a long time, though.
I don't often hear Iceland and anything mentioned in the same sentence. Probably because it's not relevant, especially not in a conversation about murder rates in the U.S.
Additionally, my original post specifically mentioned young single mothers.
Having taught at several very bad Jacksonville high schools 10+ years ago (Raines and Englewood), I will tell you that I COMPLETELY bought in to the "breakdown of the American family" rhetoric from the GOP. I really thought that was a BS right-wing talking point, but it's true. You have kids coming from families where no one cares if they can read, no one cares if they get F's in school, no one cares whether they get suspended from school. I saw this on a massive scale, and this is just what I observed as one person in two schools over 4 years. Children having children, and then often not having any fathers, leads to more children having children, being raised with no respect or values. It's awful. It really, really opened my eyes.
I don't necessarily disagree - I think the difference is the issue of support. Nordic countries support single mothers. This is an issue for society to address - but the right wants us to believe it's about personal responsibility and assume that the only way to address the problem is for the dads to hang around.
This is a socioeconomic issue. Children of wealthy or middle class single mothers aren't the issue.
Quote from: Apache on September 03, 2015, 09:46:37 AM
So more specifically, yes I think, young single American mothers with no present fathers or partners or family helping them raise their babies is a pretty large factor.
So you choose to ignore the evidence I presented showing that although births to single mothers has gone up, the murder rate has gone down.
Sorry Adam White, but you are wrong. I have worked for a Finish/Swedish company for 21 years and lived in JAX and ATL. I have visited Scandinavia hundreds of time and they have very few single moms. Marriage is looked at differently. They have very strong family units but don't always get married. That decisions is usually based on company/insurance benefits. Yes the socioeconomic situation is different, but the idea that they have many fatherless children running around is not. Also remember that large city life is not common in Scandinavia. Helsinki is JAX size, Stockholm and Oslo are Orlando size and the whole population of Finland is less than Georgia. Maybe the real answer are they have few unplanned pregnancies.
Quote from: jaxjags on September 03, 2015, 10:10:47 AM
Sorry Adam White, but you are wrong. I have worked for a Finish/Swedish company for 21 years and lived in JAX and ATL. I have visited Scandinavia hundreds of time and they have very few single moms. Marriage is looked at differently. They have very strong family units but don't always get married. That decisions is usually based on company/insurance benefits. Yes the socioeconomic situation is different, but the idea that they have many fatherless children running around is not. Also remember that large city life is not common in Scandinavia. Helsinki is JAX size, Stockholm and Oslo are Orlando size and the whole population of Finland is less than Georgia. Maybe the real answer are they have few unplanned pregnancies.
Well, I guess that settles it. I'm just wrong.
By the way - Finland isn't in Scandinavia. Neither is Iceland.
Edit: Whilst I doubt this journalist has as much 'Scandinavian' experience as you, I found the article interesting nonetheless.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/may/18/iceland (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/may/18/iceland)
Quote from: Apache on September 03, 2015, 10:19:18 AM
I try to ignore you but its hard.
Yes, one must always ignore anything that challenges what one "knows".
Quote from: Apache on September 03, 2015, 10:19:18 AM
no, I don't think the increase in single mothers is the reason the murder rate has decreased.
If you actually think that what it purports to show you really aren't very bright.
Quote from: I-10east on September 03, 2015, 08:47:38 AM
Quote from: Adam White on September 03, 2015, 01:24:35 AM
2/3 of the children born in Iceland are born to single mothers. You don't often hear "Iceland" and "crime" mentioned in the same sentence. They did have a flourishing "punk" scene for a long time, though.
Apples and oranges. Also people in poor states like West Virginia aren't murdering each other at an alarming pace like say Chicago. Liberals (I'm not saying that you are) wanna think that every ethnicity is the same like a cookie cutter, and that's simply not the case; Generally speaking, we (different races/ethnicities) all have our strengths and weaknesses. There is nothing 'racist' about what I said (not saying that you are saying that).
I-10, with genuine sincerity...
Please, please, please list the strengths and weaknesses of different races/ethnicities.
The more specific the better.
Quote from: coredumped on September 02, 2015, 11:03:37 PM
Can't blame Williams, he's been on vacation :/
Williams has been nothing but a disappointment. Maybe Hackney will run.
Already? How so?
QuoteIs it to soon to blame Mayor Curry & Mike Williams for the 13 different murders?
To be fair, Jacksonville isn't the only place where there's been an uptick in murders:
Several big U.S. cities see homicide rates surgeAfter years of declining violent crime, several major American cities experienced a dramatic surge in homicides during the first half of this year.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/07/09/us-cities-homicide-surge-2015/29879091/
Quote from: TheCat on September 03, 2015, 12:22:47 PM
I-10, with genuine sincerity...
Please, please, please list the strengths and weaknesses of different races/ethnicities.
The more specific the better.
I think that you are grown enough to figure that out for yourself Cat. I'm not gonna get into specifics, because all that's gonna lead to is some cherry picking of words, attempted shaming etc. I'll say this much, I would never put an entire group into a cookie cutter, and that's why I used the word 'GENERALLY'.
^I'm confident that I'm not grown up enough to figure it out...
Quote from: I-10east on September 04, 2015, 04:38:22 AM
Quote from: TheCat on September 03, 2015, 12:22:47 PM
I-10, with genuine sincerity...
Please, please, please list the strengths and weaknesses of different races/ethnicities.
The more specific the better.
I think that you are grown enough to figure that out for yourself Cat. I'm not gonna get into specifics, because all that's gonna lead to is some cherry picking of words, attempted shaming etc. I'll say this much, I would never put an entire group into a cookie cutter, and that's why I used the word 'GENERALLY'.
"Generally" is a cookie cutter - just a slightly smaller one. It's akin to saying, "There's a difference between a nigger and a black guy" or "Not all gay people are faggots".
Quote from: Apache on September 02, 2015, 09:14:00 PM
Quote from: icarus on September 02, 2015, 08:00:34 PM
When it comes to murder rates in Jacksonville, I think its hard to put the blame on any one person or two for that matter. The presumption is that murder is something new in Jacksonville.
And, I don't mean that in a pro any political party/elected official way. As a City, we've never addressed the real issues .. income inequality, opportunity, allocation of resources, etc. We are experiencing the end result of decades of misunderstanding of how to deal with the socioeconomic issues that have brought us to this point. And, unfortunately, I think it will take us decades to dig out from that.
I only hope the new administration sets us on the right path.
Income inequality, inequality, opportunity, allocation of recourses. All money answers. Money answers don't work. It's not socioeconomic in my opinion. In the past, many (most) poor people have been perfectly great human beings and citizens.
What has changed is the family.
Single babies that are raising babies (or not raising more accurately) is the issue. Obviously there are exceptions, but young single mothers raising kids (or multiple kids) with no help had been the problem for the last 25 years.
Your statement really pisses me off. I have been raised by my single mom for most of my life, and she never HAD any help, and here I am with a college degree, SQUEAKY CLEAN criminal record, and raising my own family.
So am I part of the problem?
-Josh
Quote from: wsansewjs on September 04, 2015, 10:33:43 AM
Quote from: Apache on September 02, 2015, 09:14:00 PM
Quote from: icarus on September 02, 2015, 08:00:34 PM
When it comes to murder rates in Jacksonville, I think its hard to put the blame on any one person or two for that matter. The presumption is that murder is something new in Jacksonville.
And, I don't mean that in a pro any political party/elected official way. As a City, we've never addressed the real issues .. income inequality, opportunity, allocation of resources, etc. We are experiencing the end result of decades of misunderstanding of how to deal with the socioeconomic issues that have brought us to this point. And, unfortunately, I think it will take us decades to dig out from that.
I only hope the new administration sets us on the right path.
Income inequality, inequality, opportunity, allocation of recourses. All money answers. Money answers don't work. It's not socioeconomic in my opinion. In the past, many (most) poor people have been perfectly great human beings and citizens.
What has changed is the family.
Single babies that are raising babies (or not raising more accurately) is the issue. Obviously there are exceptions, but young single mothers raising kids (or multiple kids) with no help had been the problem for the last 25 years.
Your statement really pisses me off. I have been raised by my single mom for most of my life, and she never HAD any help, and here I am with a college degree, SQUEAKY CLEAN criminal record, and raising my own family.
So am I part of the problem?
-Josh
No, you're not at all.
I stand by my original statement(s). It's about support. Maybe the support is from the state, maybe the support is from the wider society. Or maybe the support is from the extended family. (All three are present in Nordic countries, but things like free healthcare, free childcare, extended maternity leave and other benefits are widespread and completely alien to Americans). But the issue isn't not having a father - it's about having the resources to raise a child when you have to do it alone.
Assuming that the only solution is for dads to stick around is ludicrous. And as I also pointed out, this isn't an issue for wealthy or even middle class single mothers. So it's clearly socioeconomic.
Part of the problem here is that people are happier to apportion blame than they are to look at the reason for the problem and what they might need to do to solve it. It's easier to just blame single mothers than to ask, "what can we do to help single parents".
As Finehoe tried to show, single parenthood has been increasing in the USA, yet murders have been decreasing. In fact, I believe crime is decreasing as a whole. So it's ludicrous to blame single mothers or single parents for the ills of society.
Quote from: Apache on September 04, 2015, 02:19:26 PM
What kind of opinion do you prefer.
How about ones based on facts and data, rather than on what you "think".
Quote from: Adam White on September 04, 2015, 08:06:09 AM
"Generally" is a cookie cutter - just a slightly smaller one. It's akin to saying, "There's a difference between a nigger and a black guy" or "Not all gay people are faggots".
More typical MJ shaming tactics; Not gonna work, try again next time...
Quote from: I-10east on September 04, 2015, 03:15:26 PM
Quote from: Adam White on September 04, 2015, 08:06:09 AM
"Generally" is a cookie cutter - just a slightly smaller one. It's akin to saying, "There's a difference between a nigger and a black guy" or "Not all gay people are faggots".
More typical MJ shaming tactics; Not gonna work, try again next time...
I think it's really sad that you can't see how your statements are offensive and bigoted. You seem like a nice enough guy (seriously).
^^^I didn't say anything 'offensive and bigoted'. I'm not gonna succumb to the typical shaming liberal bullshit. There isn't a damn thing offensive about saying different people generally (which is a very vague word) have strengths and weaknesses. So save your examples insinuating that I said offensive expletives; You can't put words into my mouth.
Quote from: I-10east on September 04, 2015, 03:57:33 PM
^^^I didn't say anything 'offensive and bigoted'. I'm not gonna succumb to the typical shaming liberal bullshit. There isn't a damn thing offensive about saying different people generally (which is a very vague word) have strengths and weaknesses. So save your examples insinuating that I said offensive expletives; You can't put words into my mouth.
Like I said, I think it's really sad you can't see it.
I really don't care what yall say, I'm sticking to what I said. You are the one that hate your people Stephen; I don't hate any group, but I'm not gonna fall for that liberal bullshit that's a severe detriment to the black community. EVERYONE generally have strengths and weaknesses NOT just BLACK PEOPLE like yall wanna narrow it down to.
^^^Idiotic.
Quote from: I-10east on September 04, 2015, 05:34:59 PM
I really don't care what yall say, I'm sticking to what I said. You are the one that hate your people Stephen; I don't hate any group, but I'm not gonna fall for that liberal bullshit that's a severe detriment to the black community. EVERYONE generally have strengths and weaknesses NOT just BLACK PEOPLE like yall wanna narrow it down to.
Individual people have their own strengths and weaknesses, yes. But to say entire groups have certain strengths or weaknesses - that's actually racist.
If knowing this makes me a liberal, then yeah - I guess I'm a liberal.
^^^Obviously you didn't read what I said correctly.
Quote from: I-10east on September 04, 2015, 05:55:12 PM
^^^Obviously you didn't read what I said correctly.
Dude, you said this:
Generally speaking, we (different races/ethnicities) all have our strengths and weaknesses.If by that statement you
didn't mean that each race has its own strengths and weaknesses, then maybe you worded what you meant poorly.
^^^You said that I said "But to say entire groups have certain strengths or weaknesses". I never said everyone in a group. You have an ax to grind obviously; Typically men don't argue like this; I don't care if that's 'PC' or not, yeah quote that....
Quote from: I-10east on September 04, 2015, 06:10:12 PM
^^^You said that I said "But to say entire groups have certain strengths or weaknesses". I never said everyone in a group. You have an ax to grind obviously; Typically men don't argue like this; I don't care if that's 'PC' or not, yeah quote that....
You said different races have strengths and weaknesses.
And are you attempting to imply I am not a man? I'm not particularly offended, but I am a bit puzzled.
^^^LOL, you conveniently left out the word 'generally'. I'm NOT questioning your sexualality at all, just saying most men agree to disagree and move on. I never have any of 'digging your heels in the mud, going nowhere' debates with MJ's women, just the men, go fig. I don't appreciate these liberal-esque shaming tactics (racist bigot etc) being deployed against me for having an opinion. I will NOT dig deep with examples explaining myself, because more shaming will ensue.
Quote from: I-10east on September 04, 2015, 06:29:43 PM
^^^LOL, you conveniently left out the word 'generally'. I'm NOT questioning your sexualality at all, just saying most men agree to disagree and move on. I never have any of 'digging your heels in the mud, going nowhere' debates with MJ's women, just the men, go fig. I don't appreciate these liberal-esque shaming tactics (racist bigot etc) being deployed against me for having an opinion. I will NOT dig deep with examples explaining myself, because more shaming will ensue.
Okay - I left out the word "generally". The inclusion of the word doesn't make it any better.
I'm not trying to shame you - I honestly don't think you care. And although I can be a bit of a prick from time to time, my M.O. is generally (there's that word again!) not to shame or bully people. I guess I'd like you to see why there is an issue with what I perceive (based on your comments) to be your mindset. But I don't think I'd have much luck.
As far as agreeing to disagree - I used to do that when people I knew had racist viewpoints. But somewhere in the past 20 years or so, I realized that it's important to stand up for what's right. If we don't challenge these sorts of lies, they get repeated over and over and eventually become accepted.
I've been very fortunate not to be a victim of racism - I'm a white, middle-class, university-educated, straight (you read that correctly) male. Not only have I had stuff handed to me on a plate my entire life, I've even been given the luxury of being a slacker and turning away opportunities because I never knew what it was like to have to work hard to achieve stuff or overcome adversity.
My mother and her family, on the other hand, certainly had it different. My mother is Irish and she and her family moved to Britain in the early 1960s (there wasn't much work in Ireland). She - and to a far greater extent, her mother, father and brother - regulary had to deal with English anti-Irish racism. My mother moved away before the end of the 60s, but once "the Troubles" started in Northern Ireland, life got even worse for Irish people in the UK.
None of this has anything to do with me, really - but I certainly cannot sit here and accept ideas like the Irish are "generally" lazy, drunken idiots who are incapable of achieving anything of worth (amongst other stereotypes).
It doesn't make it any better when you say "generally". It just means that most Paddys are shiftless drunks - but you could probably find a few decent ones if you look hard enough.
Quote from: Adam White on September 04, 2015, 06:53:27 PM
Okay - I left out the word "generally". The inclusion of the word doesn't make it any better.
I'm not trying to shame you - I honestly don't think you care. And although I can be a bit of a prick from time to time, my M.O. is generally (there's that word again!) not to shame or bully people. I guess I'd like you to see why there is an issue with what I perceive (based on your comments) to be your mindset. But I don't think I'd have much luck.
As far as agreeing to disagree - I used to do that when people I knew had racist viewpoints. But somewhere in the past 20 years or so, I realized that it's important to stand up for what's right. If we don't challenge these sorts of lies, they get repeated over and over and eventually become accepted.
I've been very fortunate not to be a victim of racism - I'm a white, middle-class, university-educated, straight (you read that correctly) male. Not only have I had stuff handed to me on a plate my entire life, I've even been given the luxury of being a slacker and turning away opportunities because I never knew what it was like to have to work hard to achieve stuff or overcome adversity.
My mother and her family, on the other hand, certainly had it different. My mother is Irish and she and her family moved to Britain in the early 1960s (there wasn't much work in Ireland). She - and to a far greater extent, her mother, father and brother - regulary had to deal with English anti-Irish racism. My mother moved away before the end of the 60s, but once "the Troubles" started in Northern Ireland, life got even worse for Irish people in the UK.
None of this has anything to do with me, really - but I certainly cannot sit here and accept ideas like the Irish are "generally" lazy, drunken idiots who are incapable of achieving anything of worth (amongst other stereotypes).
It doesn't make it any better when you say "generally". It just means that most Paddys are shiftless drunks - but you could probably find a few decent ones if you look hard enough.
I appreciate your perspective and comments except saying that I have a 'racist viewpoint' which is absurd; That stupid 'racist' word is thrown around way too easily, don't wanna sound like a bleeding heart liberal, don't use that word so easily. I can flip that around, and say since you said 'nigger and faggot' as an example, you Adam have a 'racist and homophobic viewpoint', but I'm not a fucking 11 year old!!! No offense to your Adam, but to act like different people from various racial groups are the same with the same mindset is mind bogglingly stupid. You want examples, you got them....
Dontavious from any ghetto USA, Bradley from upper income area USA, and Jose from bordertown USA viewpoints, way of life, education etc etc are probably not the same. You are missing the point and example if you think that I'm saying ALL people of a group are the same; I'm merely making an example, get beyond the shaming bullshit please!!!
White international altruism?- Pretty damn high compared to other groups.
Indian (India) Doctors?- Pretty damn high.
Black basketball players?- Very high compared to other groups.
Mexican crop pickers in USA? Very high.
Brazilian MMA fighters? Very well represented.
Samoan boxers? Known for having ability to take a punch (ironjaw).
American entertainment (multicultural)? 2nd to none.
Anyone saying that I'm saying all Mexican people are fruit pickers is a damn idiot, and you missed the boat completely. Those are examples of well represented groups, not 'racism' okay??? Now attack me for being a racist some more of course....Anybody?? MJ has become a liberal shaming show...
Wow, talk about a thread taking a severe turn...
^ I agree. What about the issue and civil discourse?
Quote from: Jumpinjack on September 07, 2015, 12:04:58 PM
^ I agree. What about the issue and civil discourse?
Feel free to address the issue, then. There's no reason why you can't contribute...
Quote from: Adam White on September 04, 2015, 05:51:05 PM
Quote from: I-10east on September 04, 2015, 05:34:59 PM
I really don't care what yall say, I'm sticking to what I said. You are the one that hate your people Stephen; I don't hate any group, but I'm not gonna fall for that liberal bullshit that's a severe detriment to the black community. EVERYONE generally have strengths and weaknesses NOT just BLACK PEOPLE like yall wanna narrow it down to.
Individual people have their own strengths and weaknesses, yes. But to say entire groups have certain strengths or weaknesses - that's actually racist.
If knowing this makes me a liberal, then yeah - I guess I'm a liberal.
Actually - if you look at it in terms of sharing a common identity / background , then I would say that you certain values / beliefs / behaviors are more prevalent in different groups.
If you think about it, this starts by family and friends passing on their views and rewarding conformist behavior or punishing behavior that does not conform, this gets reinforced by school, friends, other institutions...
This is not based on race but rather on social groups.
Quote from: Gunnar on September 08, 2015, 06:30:27 AM
Quote from: Adam White on September 04, 2015, 05:51:05 PM
Quote from: I-10east on September 04, 2015, 05:34:59 PM
I really don't care what yall say, I'm sticking to what I said. You are the one that hate your people Stephen; I don't hate any group, but I'm not gonna fall for that liberal bullshit that's a severe detriment to the black community. EVERYONE generally have strengths and weaknesses NOT just BLACK PEOPLE like yall wanna narrow it down to.
Individual people have their own strengths and weaknesses, yes. But to say entire groups have certain strengths or weaknesses - that's actually racist.
If knowing this makes me a liberal, then yeah - I guess I'm a liberal.
Actually - if you look at it in terms of sharing a common identity / background , then I would say that you certain values / beliefs / behaviors are more prevalent in different groups.
If you think about it, this starts by family and friends passing on their views and rewarding conformist behavior or punishing behavior that does not conform, this gets reinforced by school, friends, other institutions...
This is not based on race but rather on social groups.
But surely there's a difference between sharing common identity/background (which is really shorthand - or longhand - for "culture") and making value judgments about the strengths or weaknesses of that culture.
QuoteBut surely there's a difference between sharing common identity/background (which is really shorthand - or longhand - for "culture") and making value judgments about the strengths or weaknesses of that culture.
+1
Especially, if the ones making the value judgements are i-1o...below is i-10s assessment of various people groups, which is simply nonsensical.
QuoteWhite international altruism?- Pretty damn high compared to other groups.
Indian (India) Doctors?- Pretty damn high.
Black basketball players?- Very high compared to other groups.
Mexican crop pickers in USA? Very high.
Brazilian MMA fighters? Very well represented.
Samoan boxers? Known for having ability to take a punch (ironjaw).
American entertainment (multicultural)? 2nd to none.
Quote from: TheCat on September 08, 2015, 12:37:18 PM
QuoteBut surely there's a difference between sharing common identity/background (which is really shorthand - or longhand - for "culture") and making value judgments about the strengths or weaknesses of that culture.
+1
Especially, if the ones making the value judgements are i-1o...below is i-10s assessment of various people groups, which is simply nonsensical.
QuoteWhite international altruism?- Pretty damn high compared to other groups.
Indian (India) Doctors?- Pretty damn high.
Black basketball players?- Very high compared to other groups.
Mexican crop pickers in USA? Very high.
Brazilian MMA fighters? Very well represented.
Samoan boxers? Known for having ability to take a punch (ironjaw).
American entertainment (multicultural)? 2nd to none.
I wasn't going to comment on this list, though a lot of it doesn't speak to "strengths or weaknesses" of different groups as much as it does occupation. But anyway:
1) White international altruism. Not sure what that means - but although wealthy people tend to give more money, it's also true that poor people give more money proportionally. Socio-economic status is a stronger indicator of charitable giving than race.
2) Indian doctors? One might be surprised to learn that the vast majority of Indians are not doctors.
3) Black basketball players. Yeah, there are indeed more black basketball players.
4) Mexican crop pickers in the USA? I honestly don't know the figures on this - though it's likely more a function of the low pay and the immigration status of the people doing the work and less linked to their actual national origin. Also, I bet a lot of the "Mexican" crop pickers are from other Spanish-speaking countries (e.g. central Americans).
5) Brazilian MMA fighters? I have no idea. But given the size of Brazil's population and the fact that the Gracie brothers are Brazilian, I am not surprised there are a lot of them. I doubt this means Brazilians, as a people, are naturally better at MMA.
6) Samoan boxers? Not sure about this at all. Other races have been far more successful at boxing. At least we're not talking about Irish bare-knuckle boxers here.
7)American entertainment (multicultural)? I really have no idea what this means. But American television is overwhelmingly white.
Shit you want to see an uptick in murder look at Baltimore this year. It's America's next Detroit.
Quote from: finehoe on September 03, 2015, 01:06:52 PM
QuoteIs it to soon to blame Mayor Curry & Mike Williams for the 13 different murders?
To be fair, Jacksonville isn't the only place where there's been an uptick in murders:
Several big U.S. cities see homicide rates surge
After years of declining violent crime, several major American cities experienced a dramatic surge in homicides during the first half of this year.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/07/09/us-cities-homicide-surge-2015/29879091/
^^^Baltimore is still very dangerous (it's like the 6th most violent major city on that list) so it being 'low on the violence scale' isn't accurate at all.
I'm not gonna revisited that stuff I said earlier, and I'm sticking by it. I had to take a Labor Day weekend break just to clear my head from MetroShameville.com. I will not apologize for what I said. Many of y'all or putting some of the things that I said completely out of context.
Quote from: I-10east on September 10, 2015, 06:48:09 AM
I'm not gonna revisited that stuff I said earlier, and I'm sticking by it. I had to take a Labor Day weekend break just to clear my head from MetroShameville.com. I will not apologize for what I said. Many of y'all or putting some of the things that I said completely out of context.
Fair enough. But if you ever injure yourself playing basketball, I hope you get an Indian doctor.
^^^I admit, that was funny. :)
Quote from: stephendare on September 10, 2015, 10:41:45 AM
Quote from: I-10east on September 10, 2015, 06:31:41 AM
^^^Baltimore is still very dangerous (it's like the 6th most violent major city on that list) so it being 'low on the violence scale' isn't accurate at all.
You can read, right?
Or perhaps when you say '6th', you mean '17th'?
Because that is what the clearly typed number next to Baltimore Md is.
He said "major city". Baltimore is 18th on the list, but it's one of a handful of big cities on that list. A lot of those are suburbs, which is interesting. Like Camden and Chester are suburbs of Philly - which always gets a bad rap for crime but didn't make the top 20.
QuoteCan't blame Williams, he's been on vacation :/ Williams has been nothing but a disappointment. Maybe Hackney will run.
Geez, the guy has been in office as Sheriff for 3 months, and its his fault already? You can't stop a ship on a dime, give the man some time to make a difference. If we have 13 murders again in Aug 2016, I'll be right there with you, but too soon to throw him and the new administration under the bus.