The old Jacksonville Paint Company building (249 Park Street) at Park and Dora is currently being demolished. The 0.87-acre parcel was acquired by Four Hitter LLC for $500,000 in December 2014.
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Development/Jacksonville-Paint-Warehouse/i-RcRCnG2/0/L/IMG_20150827_193926-L.jpg)
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Development/Jacksonville-Paint-Warehouse/i-LPCMCMR/0/L/IMG_20150827_193913-L.jpg)
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Development/Jacksonville-Paint-Warehouse/i-x2Wpc6H/0/L/IMG_20150827_193804-L.jpg)
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Development/Jacksonville-Paint-Warehouse/i-9zbF5LS/0/L/IMG_20150827_193809-L.jpg)
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Development/Jacksonville-Paint-Warehouse/i-MbV3HMh/0/L/IMG_20150827_193821-L.jpg)
Also, Block Five LLC purchased 211 Park Street (Park & Jackson) last October. An old convenience store was recently demolished at that site:
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Development/Urban-Construction-08-2015/i-fJxSR8g/0/L/P1750219-L.jpg)
Interesting. I enjoy the company names.
Wonder what they're going to build...
Quote from: johnnyliar on August 28, 2015, 10:06:32 AM
Wonder what they're going to build...
A massive bong shop? Is their name really Four Hitter LLC? Must be something recently created, I found nothing on the internets.
Quote from: CCMjax on August 28, 2015, 10:17:20 AM
Quote from: johnnyliar on August 28, 2015, 10:06:32 AM
Wonder what they're going to build...
A massive bong shop? Is their name really Four Hitter LLC? Must be something recently created, I found nothing on the internets.
(http://www.coolestbongs.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Acrylic-4-Hoser-2-Spheres-Large.png)
Quote from: CCMjax on August 28, 2015, 10:17:20 AM
Quote from: johnnyliar on August 28, 2015, 10:06:32 AM
Wonder what they're going to build...
A massive bong shop? Is their name really Four Hitter LLC? Must be something recently created, I found nothing on the internets.
Aren't those basically dummy corporations?
Quote from: copperfiend on August 28, 2015, 03:38:47 PM
Quote from: CCMjax on August 28, 2015, 10:17:20 AM
Quote from: johnnyliar on August 28, 2015, 10:06:32 AM
Wonder what they're going to build...
A massive bong shop? Is their name really Four Hitter LLC? Must be something recently created, I found nothing on the internets.
Aren't those basically dummy corporations?
I'd assume.
Quote from: CCMjax on August 28, 2015, 10:17:20 AM
Quote from: johnnyliar on August 28, 2015, 10:06:32 AM
Wonder what they're going to build...
A massive bong shop? Is their name really Four Hitter LLC? Must be something recently created, I found nothing on the internets.
Four Hitter (http://search.sunbiz.org/Inquiry/CorporationSearch/SearchResultDetail?inquirytype=EntityName&directionType=Initial&searchNameOrder=FOURHITTER%20L140001624800&aggregateId=flal-l14000162480-76f159c2-387c-435a-95c5-bdf4e8346285&searchTerm=four%20hitter%20llc&listNameOrder=FOURHITTER%20L140001624800)
Registered Agent - Contega Services (http://search.sunbiz.org/Inquiry/CorporationSearch/SearchResultDetail?inquirytype=EntityName&directionType=Initial&searchNameOrder=CONTEGABUSINESSSERVICES%20L020000201881&aggregateId=flal-l02000020188-3143cdc6-ba50-46db-bbe0-4ba7357574a7&searchTerm=contega%20business&listNameOrder=CONTEGABUSINESSSERVICES%20L020000201881)
Which all dead-ends here:
http://www.northfloridalaw.com/
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on August 28, 2015, 06:25:03 PM
Quote from: CCMjax on August 28, 2015, 10:17:20 AM
Quote from: johnnyliar on August 28, 2015, 10:06:32 AM
Wonder what they're going to build...
A massive bong shop? Is their name really Four Hitter LLC? Must be something recently created, I found nothing on the internets.
Four Hitter (http://search.sunbiz.org/Inquiry/CorporationSearch/SearchResultDetail?inquirytype=EntityName&directionType=Initial&searchNameOrder=FOURHITTER%20L140001624800&aggregateId=flal-l14000162480-76f159c2-387c-435a-95c5-bdf4e8346285&searchTerm=four%20hitter%20llc&listNameOrder=FOURHITTER%20L140001624800)
Registered Agent - Contega Services (http://search.sunbiz.org/Inquiry/CorporationSearch/SearchResultDetail?inquirytype=EntityName&directionType=Initial&searchNameOrder=CONTEGABUSINESSSERVICES%20L020000201881&aggregateId=flal-l02000020188-3143cdc6-ba50-46db-bbe0-4ba7357574a7&searchTerm=contega%20business&listNameOrder=CONTEGABUSINESSSERVICES%20L020000201881)
Which all dead-ends here:
http://www.northfloridalaw.com/
Very True Detective Season 2.
Keep up the good work.
Maybe I missed it...any insight on this?
Isn't this Alex Coley buying and demolishing for his hotel?
The old bank across the street got torn down today as well. I hope something decent replaces all these demolished buildings. Park is quickly losing its historic compact feel.
QuotePark is quickly losing its historic compact feel.
What Historic value? Oh, you want us to save the dump, also known as the Children and Family Services building. You can have it, it was a dump when open and in worse shape now, but hug it all you want. Park street from Forest to the tracks could all be leveled and no one would bat an eye.
Five Points and Kings Avenue on the Southbank were also once dumps. So was Ybor and South Beach during the 1980s.
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/photos/2733187268_xZmFjCd-600x1000.jpg)
Building demolished yesterday
Historical characteristics, such as narrow 19th century era streets and zero lot line front yard setbacks that make Brooklyn unique to Jax. Those are environmental and contextual features worth preserving, IMO. They build character and image....the things Jax has lost that can't be replaced by stucco buildings with big parking lots.
Quote from: thelakelander on November 19, 2015, 06:14:00 AM
Five Points and Kings Avenue on the Southbank were also once dumps. So was Ybor and South Beach during the 1980s.
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/photos/2733187268_xZmFjCd-600x1000.jpg)
Building demolished yesterday
Historical characteristics, such as narrow 19th century era streets and zero lot line front yard setbacks that make Brooklyn unique to Jax. Those are environmental and contextual features worth preserving, IMO. They build character and image....the things Jax has lost that can't be replaced by stucco buildings with big parking lots.
Where exactly on Park St. was this bank?
Quote from: thelakelander on November 19, 2015, 06:14:00 AM
Five Points and Kings Avenue on the Southbank were also once dumps. So was Ybor and South Beach during the 1980s.
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/photos/2733187268_xZmFjCd-600x1000.jpg)
Building demolished yesterday
Historical characteristics, such as narrow 19th century era streets and zero lot line front yard setbacks that make Brooklyn unique to Jax. Those are environmental and contextual features worth preserving, IMO. They build character and image....the things Jax has lost that can't be replaced by stucco buildings with big parking lots.
Where was that building in the picture?
Quote from: CCMjax on November 19, 2015, 08:07:48 AM
Quote from: thelakelander on November 19, 2015, 06:14:00 AM
Five Points and Kings Avenue on the Southbank were also once dumps. So was Ybor and South Beach during the 1980s.
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/photos/2733187268_xZmFjCd-600x1000.jpg)
Building demolished yesterday
Historical characteristics, such as narrow 19th century era streets and zero lot line front yard setbacks that make Brooklyn unique to Jax. Those are environmental and contextual features worth preserving, IMO. They build character and image....the things Jax has lost that can't be replaced by stucco buildings with big parking lots.
Where was that building in the picture?
https://goo.gl/maps/iRhwn6WNVWB2
Clearly it had been modified extensively, but you can still see one star of david on the side. Who knows, some of this original architecture might have been hidden under that ugly façade.
(http://www.metrojacksonville.com/photos/thumbs/lrg-4172-p1060664.JPG)
While in Toledo a few years back, I noticed the paneling missing from this ugly 50s/60s era facade. We have a few examples in Jax. This little ugly building was probably one of them.
While I won't lose any sleep over this building coming down, you'll be amazed at what's actually behind the walls of modified old buildings in Jax and across this country in general. In any event, hopefully something new and exciting is built in this location that amounts to more than just another surface lot.
I'm not concerned with particular buildings coming down, if they're not historic and they're being replaced by something. What does bother me is losing urban-style buildings and fabric when they're replaced by empty lots or suburban style developments. Unfortunately this will probably continue in Brooklyn.
I think it would be a shame to lose all the urban-style warehouses on Park. They're mostly full now, but I can see it happening when the offers from developers start to exceed the cost of relocating for the business and owners. Most of them are nothing special in and of themselves, but the collection of dense, streetfronting buildings could be turned into something really cool by developers with a bit of vision. In Asheville, a place not too different from this has become an arts district.
I don't think the few houses northwest of Chelsea will probably make it. If anything, I'd rather the development pattern jump over there and skip Park Street. But we're already seeing the Park Street buildings disappearing.
If you take the time to search you will see a huge amount of turnover in Brooklyn properties since about 1/1/14. Putting the 2014 and 2015 Sales filters on coj.net only shows a few of them. You have to look parcel by parcel. There are about 5-7 names that each own many properties and many of those have the same contact address. Investors are obviously buying up the whole area.
Lake is absolutely right about keeping the urban fabric and saving at least some or most of the buildings. Visionaries could easily convert this area into something nice WITHOUT demolishing everything in sight. It would also happen faster that way and would have character that newly built never would. Virtually every city has learned this lesson except Jacksonville.
^If the parcels on Park Street are already owned by developers, it's probably too late for the strip. I don't think the HPC is going to get into the business of landmarking a couple of warehouses, which is about the only way developers might change their plans.
Quote from: thelakelander on November 19, 2015, 08:57:57 AM
(http://www.metrojacksonville.com/photos/thumbs/lrg-4172-p1060664.JPG)
While in Toledo a few years back, I noticed the paneling missing from this ugly 50s/60s era facade. We have a few examples in Jax. This little ugly building was probably one of them.
While I won't lose any sleep over this building coming down, you'll be amazed at what's actually behind the walls of modified old buildings in Jax and across this country in general. In any event, hopefully something new and exciting is built in this location that amounts to more than just another surface lot.
I'm really curious about the old gas company building next to Burrito Gallery.
^ I'm not sure if the original appearance of the Gas Company building can be restored, but it was beautiful. A Klutho prairie design.
I know there were posts on here a while back about prospects for uncovering the original Klutho design of the Claude Nolan building in Springfield, too.
Quote from: Wacca Pilatka on November 19, 2015, 11:27:21 AM
^ I'm not sure if the original appearance of the Gas Company building can be restored, but it was beautiful. A Klutho prairie design.
I know there were posts on here a while back about prospects for uncovering the original Klutho design of the Claude Nolan building in Springfield, too.
Yeah, but you can always dream.
I think there is still hope for a few of these: http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2012-apr-landmarks-altered-beyond-recognition-news4jax
A person that owns property on Lee st. has mentioned a Multi Story Storage Unit Business Building.
Quote from: acme54321 on November 19, 2015, 08:49:18 AM
Quote from: CCMjax on November 19, 2015, 08:07:48 AM
Quote from: thelakelander on November 19, 2015, 06:14:00 AM
Five Points and Kings Avenue on the Southbank were also once dumps. So was Ybor and South Beach during the 1980s.
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/photos/2733187268_xZmFjCd-600x1000.jpg)
Building demolished yesterday
Historical characteristics, such as narrow 19th century era streets and zero lot line front yard setbacks that make Brooklyn unique to Jax. Those are environmental and contextual features worth preserving, IMO. They build character and image....the things Jax has lost that can't be replaced by stucco buildings with big parking lots.
Where was that building in the picture?
https://goo.gl/maps/iRhwn6WNVWB2
Clearly it had been modified extensively, but you can still see one star of david on the side. Who knows, some of this original architecture might have been hidden under that ugly façade.
Wow, it must have taken quite an effort to uglify this building. Quite a shame since in it's original shape it was both pretty and interesting.
Quote from: Gunnar on November 19, 2015, 04:07:51 PM
Quote from: acme54321 on November 19, 2015, 08:49:18 AM
Quote from: CCMjax on November 19, 2015, 08:07:48 AM
Quote from: thelakelander on November 19, 2015, 06:14:00 AM
Five Points and Kings Avenue on the Southbank were also once dumps. So was Ybor and South Beach during the 1980s.
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/photos/2733187268_xZmFjCd-600x1000.jpg)
Building demolished yesterday
Historical characteristics, such as narrow 19th century era streets and zero lot line front yard setbacks that make Brooklyn unique to Jax. Those are environmental and contextual features worth preserving, IMO. They build character and image....the things Jax has lost that can't be replaced by stucco buildings with big parking lots.
Where was that building in the picture?
https://goo.gl/maps/iRhwn6WNVWB2
Clearly it had been modified extensively, but you can still see one star of david on the side. Who knows, some of this original architecture might have been hidden under that ugly façade.
Wow, it must have taken quite an effort to uglify this building. Quite a shame since in it's original shape it was both pretty and interesting.
What a shame. That was a very cool building. Can't believe what it became before they demoed, pretty crazy how ugly it got.
QuoteFive Points and Kings Avenue on the Southbank were also once dumps. So was Ybor and South Beach during the 1980s.
You certainly have your work cut out for you in Springfield. Save 'em all. 8)
Coincidentally, just today this project was announced in my home city, Greenville SC.
Take my word for it, these buildings are more distressed, downtrodden and 'plain-old warehouse' looking than anything on Park Street. And while it is near a popular walking/biking trail, and a FUTURE park, the drive by traffic is next to nil.
http://upstatebusinessjournal.com/news/11-20-ubj-square-feet-the-commons-to-include-feed-seed-community-tap-carolina-triathlon-and-other-businesses/ (http://upstatebusinessjournal.com/news/11-20-ubj-square-feet-the-commons-to-include-feed-seed-community-tap-carolina-triathlon-and-other-businesses/)
Quote from: vicupstate on November 19, 2015, 04:37:58 PM
Coincidentally, just today this project was announced in my home city, Greenville SC.
Take my word for it, these buildings are more distressed, downtrodden and 'plain-old warehouse' looking than anything on Park Street. And while it is near a popular walking/biking trail, and a FUTURE park, the drive by traffic is next to nil.
http://upstatebusinessjournal.com/news/11-20-ubj-square-feet-the-commons-to-include-feed-seed-community-tap-carolina-triathlon-and-other-businesses/ (http://upstatebusinessjournal.com/news/11-20-ubj-square-feet-the-commons-to-include-feed-seed-community-tap-carolina-triathlon-and-other-businesses/)
I lived in Greenville before moving to Jax 3 years ago. Greenville is much further along in terms of downtown redevelopment and progressive reuse ideas than Jax is. They have saved many of their older buildings in and around downtown and repurposed them. It will take a little while for the business minds here in Jax to be at that same level but I think it will come. Just need some major restoration projects to get under way so people here can see the value in the older buildings.
My observation from living in JAX for almost 7 years, and generally speaking......the city does not support historic properties/preservation.......look at all the vacant lots in downtown JAX and its lack of attention to its oldest neighborhood, Springfield. I feel like the nail in the coffin is the fact that JAX encompasses all of Duval county.....the majority of these residents IMO do not support a strong downtown...........
Brooklyn was given the opportunity to vote for Historic designation a couple years ago, right? I mean granted that was AFTER 75% of the hood was demolished but anyway they did have the opportunity.
Are you freaking kidding me! That's a terrible use for Park St.
Quote from: ChrisG on November 19, 2015, 03:10:35 PM
A person that owns property on Lee st. has mentioned a Multi Story Storage Unit Business Building.
Maybe RAP could have a look. It's right in their backyard.
Quotethe city does not support historic properties/preservation.......look at all the vacant lots in downtown JAX and its lack of attention to its oldest neighborhood, Springfield.
There are a number of building huggers out here, they will be right over to surround the condemned buildings in Springfield. Vacant lots downtown? That is called progress, sir.
QuoteMaybe RAP could have a look. It's right in their backyard.
Yeah, sorry, their jurisdiction ends at I-10 and I-95, you need to go back to the city to look for a guy wielding a club, preferably someone on the 3rd floor of the Ed Ball Building.
QuoteBrooklyn was given the opportunity to vote for Historic designation a couple years ago, right?
Sure the two homeless guys who lived in the shacks on Park and Jackson Street flipped for it and the loser has not been seen in years.
Mtrain, how is a vacant lot an improvement over an empty building? If vacant lots were a sign of prosperity, Jacksonville and Detroit would be America's most prosperous cities.
There has been far more renovation done in Springfield than new construction over the last few decades. Probably would have been a lot more if so many hadn't been torn down.
Organic development of new businesses is far more likely to occur where a buildings only need some updating ( or just an occupant) as opposed to building new from the ground up.
You really need to get out more. Ever been to Savannah or Charleston? New Orleans? Heck, any place besides JAX?
I don't recall a vote being taken to make Brooklyn a historic district, but it would be closing the door after the horse has already left for the most part. I seem to remember the idea being mentioned, but did it actually come up for a vote?
Quote from: Kay on November 19, 2015, 08:40:03 PM
Are you freaking kidding me! That's a terrible use for Park St.
Quote from: ChrisG on November 19, 2015, 03:10:35 PM
A person that owns property on Lee st. has mentioned a Multi Story Storage Unit Business Building.
If this turns out to be true, it may not be the most ideal business for this section of Park but the fact that someone sees a demand for storage units in this area is a good sign for Brooklyn redevelopment.
Although the idea of living in new construction so close to the CBD and right next to the the red-hot Riverside neighborhood can be quite a draw, one of the negatives could be some new residents for the apartments there may be downsizing. Having storage spaces nearby as opposed to having to store things in another part of town could negate the downsizing concern and possibly help attract more residents. This kind of development could also mean that there is great potential for more residential growth in the area.
Also, if there is strong enough interest for this kind of development in the area, would you rather have this unappealing structure along Riverside Ave? Possibly on the river? I feel a lot of the talk of the preservation and renovation of Park St. is spurred by these new developments, but there was hardly any talk about this part of Park St. when Children and Families still had an active office there years ago. So compared to what has been there all these years, having multiple storage units built would constitute slight improvement over the old convenience stores and paint warehouses of yesteryear.
We may parse over what should and shouldn't be preserved, torn down, or put in its place but this area is teeming with so much potential that all the speculation there will be handsomely rewarded.
Quote from: JaxJersey-licious on November 22, 2015, 10:56:03 PM
Although the idea of living in new construction so close to the CBD and right next to the the red-hot Riverside neighborhood can be quite a draw, one of the negatives could be some new residents for the apartments there may be downsizing. Having storage spaces nearby as opposed to having to store things in another part of town could negate the downsizing concern and possibly help attract more residents. This kind of development could also mean that there is great potential for more residential growth in the area.
FYI there is already a self-storage building on Park St in Brooklyn...next to the I95 overpass and across from Friday Musicale.
Quote from: mtraininjax on November 20, 2015, 12:22:56 AM
Quotethe city does not support historic properties/preservation.......look at all the vacant lots in downtown JAX and its lack of attention to its oldest neighborhood, Springfield.
There are a number of building huggers out here, they will be right over to surround the condemned buildings in Springfield. Vacant lots downtown? That is called progress, sir.
QuoteMaybe RAP could have a look. It's right in their backyard.
Yeah, sorry, their jurisdiction ends at I-10 and I-95, you need to go back to the city to look for a guy wielding a club, preferably someone on the 3rd floor of the Ed Ball Building.
QuoteBrooklyn was given the opportunity to vote for Historic designation a couple years ago, right?
Sure the two homeless guys who lived in the shacks on Park and Jackson Street flipped for it and the loser has not been seen in years.
I really enjoy watching mtrain's transition into Know Growth/North Miami style lunacy. I don't know why you're so demolition-happy on everywhere other than "The strip", but Avondale is not the only place that should have its history preserved.
Perhaps MJ could do an article on why the Park Street warehouse district should be saved as Brooklyn continues to transform.
Stopped by and took pictures of what was left of the old bank at Park & Dora on Saturday. Here's the old safe:
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Neighborhoods/Urban-Core-Demolitions/i-HLbkkzn/0/X2/DSCF7664-L.jpg)
I also noticed another small brick commercial building about a half block away (one block west of Park on Dora Street) has also been demolished.
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Neighborhoods/Urban-Core-Demolitions/i-vBsBbRS/0/X2/DSCF7661-L.jpg)
I saw what appeared to be the Bank Vault being demolished. Only saw Re-bar reinforced Concrete. The entire Jax Paint Building had more than that.
We had wondered if the Jax Paint Building was built to an explosion proof Code.
An MJ article on the warehouse district in Brooklyn would be an awesome idea. I'd love to see that area transform in to lofts/restaurants/bars...it would have such an incredible cool-factor. We can't let those buildings be torn down one by one. There's too much potential.
QuoteWe can't let those buildings be torn down one by one.
Why not? It happened in LaVilla, one house at a time, it happend along Myrtle Street, and it happened along Riverside, all in the form of "Progress". In the end there are not enough people to raise hell about the buildings to really matter. No one really cares who lives in the neighborhood and that....is the real crime.
Not many people live in the neighborhood today. They've been relocated over the last decade or so. I think the blocks between Park and Riverside are down to four remaining residences. My guess is they won't be there long when the higher property taxes start adding up.
QuoteNot many people live in the neighborhood today. They've been relocated over the last decade or so. I think the blocks between Park and Riverside are down to four remaining residences. My guess is they won't be there long when the higher property taxes start adding up.
Yeah, sad, but that is what is allowing the bulldozers to come in, no one there to fight for the old structures.
Quote from: mtraininjax on December 01, 2015, 11:06:51 PM
QuoteWe can't let those buildings be torn down one by one.
Why not? It happened in LaVilla, one house at a time, it happend along Myrtle Street, and it happened along Riverside, all in the form of "Progress". In the end there are not enough people to raise hell about the buildings to really matter. No one really cares who lives in the neighborhood and that....is the real crime.
Are you aware the city spent about $20 million to buy and raze property in LaVilla during the Austin administration as part of River City Renaissance? As for the others the city's out of control codes enforcement forced hundreds of other demolitions to occur for no good reason?
I drove by the other day and noticed that all that's been demolished was the one warehouse on the south side of Park and the old Atlantic Bank building across the street. I had the impression they pretty much tore down half the buildings. Are they going to keep the cool art deco style ones between Dora and Forest?
QuoteAre you aware the city spent about $20 million to buy and raze property in LaVilla during the Austin administration as part of River City Renaissance?
And pat the Austin Administration on the back as they did a helluva job razing the old structures and leaving us with absolutely no community and no plan for the future of the community. Thank you Mayor Austin and staff.