I've seen a picture somewhere that showed a Tesla using one of their stations at what looked to be the back of a building. I'm wondering if anyone knows if they're open to the public or for employees only. I'm also curious if it's tough to catch a charge there or if there is a line of cars waiting most weekdays from employees using them.
Official answer to this question when I (through my friends who work there) asked facilities about a year ago:
No, they are just for employees.
That said, since the time that I asked I've used the station at the front side of the building (there are two cords) a half dozen times with no issues whatsoever. Every time except once it was well after normal office hours when most of the parking lot is empty. In every instance there was no other car charging. I've never gone to use the one in the back of the building.
So long story short, it isn't officially condoned but I've left my car charging there for as many as 4 hours with no issue. Not as much need now that there are level 3s at the Gate Station nearby...
Go for it. Just don't let Michael Drexler catch you.
Do not let security services catch you. They are very territorial. Trespassing ticket is likely
trespassing ticket? Do you rip that up in front of them or after they leave?
the charging station is on private property. security calls police.
police shows up quicker than you can say oink-oink.
Quote from: BennyKrik on July 14, 2015, 11:33:44 PM
the charging station is on private property. security calls police.
police shows up quicker than you can say oink-oink.
usually, they just ask you nicely to leave. Maybe you look threatening?
If I walked into your house to charge up my phone for an hour and you nicely asked me to leave, would it have been because I did NOT look threatening?
....unreal
Not in my house, it would be my front yard
Quote from: BennyKrik on July 15, 2015, 09:06:34 PM
If I walked into your house to charge up my phone for an hour and you nicely asked me to leave, would it have been because I did NOT look threatening?
....unreal
That you would think this is analogous says a lot about your reasoning ability.
Quote from: stantron5k on July 14, 2015, 01:30:27 PM
I've seen a picture somewhere that showed a Tesla using one of their stations at what looked to be the back of a building. I'm wondering if anyone knows if they're open to the public or for employees only. I'm also curious if it's tough to catch a charge there or if there is a line of cars waiting most weekdays from employees using them.
Quote from: ProjectMaximus on July 14, 2015, 03:34:34 PM
So long story short, it isn't officially condoned but I've left my car charging there for as many as 4 hours with no issue. Not as much need now that there are level 3s at the Gate Station nearby...
I ask this out of general curiosity. Why do you and others think it is OK to go onto private property and use services that are clearly not intended for public use? Just trying to get my head around this mindset.
i concede. My reasoning is subpar
Stealing electricity on private property is a smart,
Commonly accepted, well- reasoned, patriotic act.
Quote from: JHAT76 on July 16, 2015, 08:54:44 AM
Quote from: stantron5k on July 14, 2015, 01:30:27 PM
I've seen a picture somewhere that showed a Tesla using one of their stations at what looked to be the back of a building. I'm wondering if anyone knows if they're open to the public or for employees only. I'm also curious if it's tough to catch a charge there or if there is a line of cars waiting most weekdays from employees using them.
Quote from: ProjectMaximus on July 14, 2015, 03:34:34 PM
So long story short, it isn't officially condoned but I've left my car charging there for as many as 4 hours with no issue. Not as much need now that there are level 3s at the Gate Station nearby...
I ask this out of general curiosity. Why do you and others think it is OK to go onto private property and use services that are clearly not intended for public use? Just trying to get my head around this mindset.
Your question is a fair one. How clear is it? They share their station information with charging station networks. If it wasn't intended that way, they could easily make the stations marked private (which they did when they were first installed but subsequently changed) The word from the folks who responded to my friends query was also that "somebody should use them." It is also probably a product of our EV culture as many charging stations provided by businesses are free and open to the public. JTA is implementing a program to install stations on private property that must be free and accessible to the public, so prepare for a few dozen more stations in the next year. That obviously doesn't mean that we are right to treat every free station as if it belongs to the public, but I'm giving a reason for why the mentality is that way.
Ultimately, you do ask a fair question but until security says something (and they've just walked past me when I'm there) I guess I feel ok.
Quote from: BennyKrik on July 16, 2015, 09:31:15 AM
i concede. My reasoning is subpar
Stealing electricity on private property is a smart,
Commonly accepted, well- reasoned, patriotic act.
I apologize to you, upon rereading my comment it is harsh. I got carried away by your "unreal" comment when your entire statement was ludicrous. Anyway:
1) There's a huge difference between a private home and an ungated parking lot. In practice and in legal terms.
2) Plenty of people open up their private homes for strangers to charge their electric cars. This is a normal use...but for charging cell phones it's not.
The parking lot is private property
People opening homes - irrelevant comparison.
If the security services nicely asked someone who doesn't work there to leave, it means the following:
The license plate was identified as not belonging to an employee.
If it was open to the public, then why would non employee be asked to leave?
QuoteJTA is implementing a program to install stations on private property that must be free and accessible to the public, so prepare for a few dozen more stations in the next year.
It's actually the North Florida TPO, not JTA. JEA is their first utility partner and the stations will be going in this fall in the JEA service area. After that the TPO will be working with other utilities in the region to expand their charging network branded "ChargeWell." Charging at the stations is not necessarily free. Depending on the location, the property owner may charge up to $0.18/kWh for the initial two years. In comparison, the charging stations installed at SJTC charge $0.39 - 0.49/kWh.
The locations will be announced at the Drive Electric Rally on Sept. 17, 5:30-7:30 pm at Whole Foods in Mandarin. National Drive Electric Week is Sept. 12-20.
In response to original post, I was told by the DB sustainability person that their stations are for employees only.
We just consented to allow NRG to install eVgo charging stations at most of the buildings we own collectively in two suburban San Diego office submarkets. The electric service infrastructure and make-ready stubs are paid for and installed by NRG, but become the property of the building owner (us). The charging station can be installed and removed, and remains property of NRG.
The landlord then gets to select subscribers to any particular charging station so that standard parking is not compromised by unused charging stations. Must be tenants' employees unless tenant expresses consent to allow any user to use their station with understanding that tenant still pays the landlord for electricity used and landlord expresses consent to allow the station to operate publicly.
Electricity is metered at the building. So technically, not only is driving onto private property illegal from a tresspassing standpoint, it is actually stealing, since most providers have separate programs and stations built at office buildings (for tenants), at apartment buildings (again, for tenants), and then separate programs to build/install them elsewhere (i.e. public - like a retailer wants to attract certain customers or a building makes it known that it's public).
But, I could care less. In this day and age, even in places with a high percentage of electric cars, there is not yet enough infrastructure. I say go for it. But just know that technically there could be repercussions since you are using electricity to be paid for by the tenant(s) of that building without permission (aka stealing) and you are trespassing on private property.
Quote from: BennyKrik on July 16, 2015, 12:07:31 PM
People opening homes - irrelevant comparison.
Agreed. You brought it up.
Quote from: mvp on July 16, 2015, 12:13:50 PM
QuoteJTA is implementing a program to install stations on private property that must be free and accessible to the public, so prepare for a few dozen more stations in the next year.
It's actually the North Florida TPO, not JTA. JEA is their first utility partner and the stations will be going in this fall in the JEA service area. After that the TPO will be working with other utilities in the region to expand their charging network branded "ChargeWell." Charging at the stations is not necessarily free. Depending on the location, the property owner may charge up to $0.18/kWh for the initial two years. In comparison, the charging stations installed at SJTC charge $0.39 - 0.49/kWh.
The locations will be announced at the Drive Electric Rally on Sept. 17, 5:30-7:30 pm at Whole Foods in Mandarin. National Drive Electric Week is Sept. 12-20.
Whoops...I definitely meant JEA. Although I actually should have credited the TPO!! Thanks for the info on the pricing...for some reason I thought I read in the application that it had to be free, but maybe it was just "open to the public" and I made up the "free" part. As always I am very excited to hear about the new locations. Were the new Boorland-Groover stations part of this program?
Quote from: stantron5k on July 14, 2015, 01:30:27 PM
I've seen a picture somewhere that showed a Tesla using one of their stations at what looked to be the back of a building. I'm wondering if anyone knows if they're open to the public or for employees only. I'm also curious if it's tough to catch a charge there or if there is a line of cars waiting most weekdays from employees using them.
OP, unless you're actually trying to walk to the Town Center from these stations, just go to the Boorland-Groover clinic a few minutes away. Those are actually free and open to the public and Benny won't report you ;) Or use the level 3 chargers at the GATE at the Town Center and fill it up much faster.
Benny don't surf so u can take over the charging station
This entry begun with question whether the station is open to the public
Thanks for the input everyone. If it's employees only then I completely understand. Getting <$1 in electricity is not worth being visited by JSO and possibly getting fined.
I didn't know if they allowed for payment at the unit or if it's provided as a perk to their employees free of charge or through a payroll deduction.
Looks like the $0.49 @ SJTC is closest L2 available then. Thanks!
^$.39 now (though I haven't personally been since the station changed over to Blink network...and thats still really really expensive)
More on this, so NRG is a firm that bought another firm out of bankruptcy and as part of the terms of that deal, had to install a certain amount of infrastructure by 2016. As landlord, we opted not to invest a dime in the program ourselves, but consented to NRG installing these stations so they could contract with tenants or tenants' employees. We must stick with NRG as provider for 18 months, but after that point we can go with any provider, and we can open up the stations to the public. At which point they would be advertised on a provider's website. For the time being, they are not advertised on NRG's website and to use the stations, one must have a card registered to that station. One card per station. LL still covers electricity and is reimbursed by tenant, each station being separately metered. NRG charges $30/mo and $1/hr of use for each station.
So confirmed one thing: if you can find the stations at Deutsche Bank's HQ online and/or they don't require a specific card to access, then they are likely public. If you cannot, they they are likely private.
Quote from: mvp on July 16, 2015, 12:13:50 PM
It's actually the North Florida TPO, not JTA. JEA is their first utility partner and the stations will be going in this fall in the JEA service area. After that the TPO will be working with other utilities in the region to expand their charging network branded "ChargeWell." Charging at the stations is not necessarily free. Depending on the location, the property owner may charge up to $0.18/kWh for the initial two years. In comparison, the charging stations installed at SJTC charge $0.39 - 0.49/kWh.
The locations will be announced at the Drive Electric Rally on Sept. 17, 5:30-7:30 pm at Whole Foods in Mandarin. National Drive Electric Week is Sept. 12-20.
In response to original post, I was told by the DB sustainability person that their stations are for employees only.
We'll be there.