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Title: Andrew Jackson statue is defaced again
Post by: Tacachale on July 06, 2015, 04:41:48 PM
The Jackson statue has been hit again, this time with "Black Lives Matter" graffito.

I don't know why they tagged this statue instead of the Confederate monument in Hemming Park; Confederate monuments seem to be the usual targets of these protests.

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Andrew Jackson statue downtown is defaced again
By Derek Gilliam Sun, Jul 5, 2015 @ 9:14 pm | updated Mon, Jul 6, 2015 @ 4:23 pm

Andrew Jackson's statue in downtown near The Jacksonville Landing has now twice been the target of protest after being defaced for the second time in about a week.

Large orange letters spelled "Black Lives Matter" and "justice 4 D" at the base of the statue Sunday morning until workers blasted them away with a pressure washer, according to WJXT TV-4.

The earlier protest happened June 30 when someone put a mask of a Native American on the statue. Jackson was the president who signed the Indian Removal Act of 1830 into law, leading to thousands of natives leaving their ancestral lands for reservations west of the Mississippi River.

The recent protest could be in response to the death of 28-year-old D'angelo Stallworth, who was killed by police May 12 at Planters Walk Apartments on Blanding Boulevard.

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http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2015-07-05/story/andrew-jackson-statue-downtown-defaced
Title: Re: Andrew Jackson statue is defaced again
Post by: spuwho on July 06, 2015, 09:23:55 PM
Per Wikipedia:

QuoteIn the 1823 case of Johnson v. M'Intosh, the United States Supreme Court handed down a decision which stated that Indians could occupy lands within the United States, but could not hold title to those lands.[11] Jackson, as was common before the American Civil War, viewed the union as a federation of sovereign states. He opposed Washington's policy of establishing treaties with Indian tribes as if they were foreign nations. Thus, the creation of Indian jurisdictions was a violation of state sovereignty under Article IV, Section 3 of the Constitution. As Jackson saw it, either Indians comprised sovereign states (which violated the Constitution) or they are subject to the laws of existing states of the Union. Jackson urged Indians to assimilate and obey state laws. Further, he believed he could only accommodate the desire for Indian self-rule in federal territories. That required resettlement west of the Mississippi River on federal lands.
Title: Re: Andrew Jackson statue is defaced again
Post by: coredumped on July 06, 2015, 09:53:01 PM
Sad that someone would do this. In other news, a black pregnant minor was shot in the face last night.
Title: Re: Andrew Jackson statue is defaced again
Post by: MusicMan on July 07, 2015, 09:18:33 AM
Also noticed graffiti all over the Willow Branch Library. Looks like sh@t. What a sad comment on the neighborhood.
Title: Re: Andrew Jackson statue is defaced again
Post by: camarocane on July 07, 2015, 12:14:11 PM
Quote from: MusicMan on July 07, 2015, 09:18:33 AM
Also noticed graffiti all over the Willow Branch Library. Looks like sh@t. What a sad comment on the neighborhood.
I saw that as well. Pretty sad that someone would do this.
Title: Re: Andrew Jackson statue is defaced again
Post by: Scarlettjax on July 08, 2015, 07:57:53 PM
Ridiculous.  It should have read, "Native American Lives Matter."
http://www.history.com/topics/native-american-history/trail-of-tears
Title: Re: Andrew Jackson statue is defaced again
Post by: coredumped on July 08, 2015, 08:01:40 PM
Native Americans lost the war, it shouldn't say anything like that.
Title: Re: Andrew Jackson statue is defaced again
Post by: coredumped on July 08, 2015, 10:18:40 PM
So did the British, should we fly their flag, and deface George Washington statues?
Title: Re: Andrew Jackson statue is defaced again
Post by: mtraininjax on July 09, 2015, 10:04:05 AM
QuoteSo did the French, should we fly their flag, and deface Abraham Lincoln statues?
Title: Re: Andrew Jackson statue is defaced again
Post by: Tacachale on July 09, 2015, 10:06:55 AM
Quote from: coredumped on July 08, 2015, 10:18:40 PM
So did the British, should we fly their flag, and deface George Washington statues?

You do know that the Trail of Tears didn't happen because of any particular war, right?
Title: Re: Andrew Jackson statue is defaced again
Post by: Spitfire on July 11, 2015, 04:47:42 AM
Quote from: coredumped on July 08, 2015, 08:01:40 PM
Native Americans lost the war, it shouldn't say anything like that.

This is your take on the plight of Natives. Truly?
Title: Re: Andrew Jackson statue is defaced again
Post by: Ocklawaha on July 11, 2015, 01:45:47 PM
The more amazing thing is that American's are so ignorant of their history that they do not know the difference between Andrew Jackson and Thomas Jackson. Funny thing is, Thomas 'Stonewall' Jackson was not a slave owner. I drove one of our university interns home from a MJ meeting one night and she suggested that we should dress Andrew in 'his Klan robes.' Oh the humanity.
Title: Re: Andrew Jackson statue is defaced again
Post by: Tacachale on July 11, 2015, 02:27:10 PM
Ah, I didn't think of that - confusion with Stonewall Jackson may be the reason lathe Andrew Jackson statue got tagged. I thought it was really strange it'd be hit when the Confederate monument is right up the street.

Stonewall Jackson did own slaves, by the way. He was considered a comparatively benevolent master, as far as that's possible.
Title: Re: Andrew Jackson statue is defaced again
Post by: Adam White on July 12, 2015, 03:12:43 AM
Quote from: Tacachale on July 11, 2015, 02:27:10 PM
Ah, I didn't think of that - confusion with Stonewall Jackson may be the reason lathe Andrew Jackson statue got tagged. I thought it was really strange it'd be hit when the Confederate monument is right up the street.

Stonewall Jackson did own slaves, by the way. He was considered a comparatively benevolent master, as far as that's possible.

It is possible it was chosen because of its prominence and not really because of who it was? After all, blocking traffic on the Hart bridge isn't really connected to cops killing black people. It might've been done just to get a reaction.
Title: Re: Andrew Jackson statue is defaced again
Post by: Tacachale on July 12, 2015, 09:48:21 AM
Quote from: Adam White on July 12, 2015, 03:12:43 AM
Quote from: Tacachale on July 11, 2015, 02:27:10 PM
Ah, I didn't think of that - confusion with Stonewall Jackson may be the reason lathe Andrew Jackson statue got tagged. I thought it was really strange it'd be hit when the Confederate monument is right up the street.

Stonewall Jackson did own slaves, by the way. He was considered a comparatively benevolent master, as far as that's possible.

It is possible it was chosen because of its prominence and not really because of who it was? After all, blocking traffic on the Hart bridge isn't really connected to cops killing black people. It might've been done just to get a reaction.

Maybe, but most "Black Lives Matter" monument vandalism that's happened around the country has been to Confederate monuments, so far as I've seen.
Title: Re: Andrew Jackson statue is defaced again
Post by: Ocklawaha on July 12, 2015, 01:11:10 PM
Yes Stephen, a real Jacksonville 'angel' told me that.