From the Times Union, Mayor Brown trying to twist the words of Councilwoman Lori Boyer and she'll have none of it!
QuoteBoyer responds to mayor
I am compelled to correct inaccurate statements attributed to me by Mayor Alvin Brown in two recent debates.
I did not say that the accounting errors uncovered by the Council Special Committee on the Capital Improvement Program were the fault of the John Delaney administration.
My exact words were that some of the errors date back a decade or more, but some is far from all.
I used an example of one wire transfer that occurred in 1999. But I never said or implied that the issues we discovered were the sole responsibility of the Delaney administration.
In fact, some issues were the result of entries in the last few years.
I personally began to press the Brown administration as early as 2012 to clean up the books once the issues started to become apparent. They made no effort to do so until this council committee forced the issue.
Regardless of when the original incorrect entries were made, it is incumbent on the current office holder to correct them once they are known. This administration (Mayor Alvin Brown) did not do so on its own initiative.
With the errors on the books, it was unclear what was really available to spend on capital projects. I believe many projects such as new roads, park improvements and environmental clean-ups have been unnecessarily delayed.
It is as if it is too much trouble to balance your checkbook, so you just make sure you leave a big cushion and don't spend.
I will not allow inaccurate characterizations of the council's work — or my statements — to be used for political gain.
Lori Boyer, City Council member
BOOM!
Ouch, Alvin. Why can't Lori be mayor now?
You know he is feeling the burn right now. They have both been "snake bit" during this campaign by their own words. We lost the real candidate when Bill Bishop was off the ballot. Now this is where we are. Between a rock and a hard place of true and faux character. SMH
Alvin had been blamed for that error so he had to defend himself. He did take it too far placing blame and taking credit. Hardly equivalent to making up that he put 147 police officers in the unemployment line.
Quote from: JeffreyS on May 16, 2015, 11:37:37 AM
Alvin had been blamed for that error so he had to defend himself. He did take it too far placing blame and taking credit. Hardly equivalent to making up that he put 147 police officers in the unemployment line.
So we are sadly to the point that it comes down to his fib was not as bad as the other ones fib. All points to the fact they are both pretty much incompetent. But that is government for you.
Quote from: Cheshire Cat on May 16, 2015, 11:13:54 AM
You know he is feeling the burn right now. They have both been "snake bit" during this campaign by their own words. We lost the real candidate when Bill Bishop was off the ballot. Now this is where we are. Between a rock and a hard place of true and faux character. SMH
I think Bishops ship has sailed. By 2019 hopefully Boyer will want to run and become the first female mayor of Jac. And quite frankly Bishop is nothing compared to Boyer IMO. Coming to the realization the only reason Bishop even looked remotely attractive this time around was due to the other candidates.
Quote from: edjax on May 16, 2015, 12:29:09 PM
Quote from: Cheshire Cat on May 16, 2015, 11:13:54 AM
You know he is feeling the burn right now. They have both been "snake bit" during this campaign by their own words. We lost the real candidate when Bill Bishop was off the ballot. Now this is where we are. Between a rock and a hard place of true and faux character. SMH
I think Bishops ship has sailed. By 2019 hopefully Boyer will want to run and become the first female mayor of Jac. And quite frankly Bishop is nothing compared to Boyer IMO. Coming to the realization the only reason Bishop even looked remotely attractive this time around was due to the other candidates.
Well put.
Quote from: Tacachale on May 16, 2015, 12:30:26 PM
Quote from: edjax on May 16, 2015, 12:29:09 PM
Quote from: Cheshire Cat on May 16, 2015, 11:13:54 AM
You know he is feeling the burn right now. They have both been "snake bit" during this campaign by their own words. We lost the real candidate when Bill Bishop was off the ballot. Now this is where we are. Between a rock and a hard place of true and faux character. SMH
I think Bishops ship has sailed. By 2019 hopefully Boyer will want to run and become the first female mayor of Jac. And quite frankly Bishop is nothing compared to Boyer IMO. Coming to the realization the only reason Bishop even looked remotely attractive this time around was due to the other candidates.
Well put.
I have myself asked Lori about running for mayor in the past. She was not interested in taking that step. Of course who knows what she might do in the future. Meanwhile, Bill Bishop stepped up to the plate when no one else was coming forward to challenge Alvin for his seat and he needed to be challenged. I guess we will have to wait and see where it all goes. If Lenny gets in, Lori will not run against him. IMO
^^??
Hmmm, (quote Chesire Cat) "If Lenny gets in, Lori will not run against him. IMO"
So besides promoting that incumbents can't be beat so if we don't elect Brown (the incumbent) we get Curry for eight years now you are promoting that if you like the idea of Lori Boyer running for Mayor (If, maybe, someday...) , you prevent that from happening if you vote for Curry.
Interesting.
(quote edjax) "So we are sadly to the point that it comes down to his fib was not as bad as the other ones fib. All points to the fact they are both pretty much incompetent. But that is government for you."
Yep, so we then have to find some positive to decide for ourselves which candidate will do the least harm. For myself, I think the deciding factor is change. This thread indicates one issue I have with Brown and, well, I personally have many issues with how the city is run so I am hoping that change, any change, will improve at least some of the small things. If you think I am wrong and that you see more positives for Brown, then that is how you should vote. But decide that based not on some unrealized fear that Curry would be in for eight years or will prevent Boyer from running for Mayor some day but some positive you see in the candidate and his possible administration.
MY main consideration is based off of track record. And these are my beliefs. I'm not saying any of you are wrong or right.
You can agree or disagree with how his actual accomplishments, but I feel that MAB is less about the politics and more about the presentation. He's obviously lacking in many areas. He has made some poor choices regarding his appointments. He has also been absent on many of the social issues that have been staring at the city for quite a while. That being said, he has been doing a lot (sometimes by getting out of the way and doing nothing more than attaching his name to a project) to assist in moving the core of our city towards a more positive vibe. Love him or hate him, you can't deny that there's a palpable feeling in the air that the city is on the cusp of turning a corner. MAB has worked both sides of the political spectrum and he has met many of the communities' concerns and allowed them to push through.
If he is using his time as mayor to further his political career, he's doing it by putting his name on all of the new growth.
I feel that when it comes to Curry, he is going to continue to get his marching orders from higher up in the party, as he's done all along. That would be great if our city were the benefactor of the changes I feel he'll make, but if our city's needs don't align with party needs, we're gonna be screwed. If he's elected, then I have to equate the running of our city with the running of our state, and that scares me. How many programs have we cut (as a state) because it didn't fit in the republican agenda. One has to look no further than the state cutting off their nose to spite their face regarding ACA, transit and other federal funds that could have been used to better our state. Why? Political infighting. I see more of the same if Curry is elected and that's why I will not vote for Curry.
I understand that most everyone only do things that promote their own agenda. I'm not much different, but I'm also not a public servant. That, IMO, is the first and foremost reason that the politiks are as fucked as they are. Once you take on the role of a servant, you need to put the betterment of your master ahead of yourself, and in a democracy, the master is the 51%. I'm not sure when and where this concept was abandoned and unfortunately, I don't ever see it going back in that direction.
We need to stop electing people that want to lead us,and start electing those willing to serve.
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on May 17, 2015, 09:59:21 AM
MY main consideration is based off of track record. And these are my beliefs. I'm not saying any of you are wrong or right.
You can agree or disagree with how his actual accomplishments, but I feel that MAB is less about the politics and more about the presentation. He's obviously lacking in many areas. He has made some poor choices regarding his appointments. He has also been absent on many of the social issues that have been staring at the city for quite a while. That being said, he has been doing a lot (sometimes by getting out of the way and doing nothing more than attaching his name to a project) to assist in moving the core of our city towards a more positive vibe. Love him or hate him, you can't deny that there's a palpable feeling in the air that the city is on the cusp of turning a corner. MAB has worked both sides of the political spectrum and he has met many of the communities' concerns and allowed them to push through.
If he is using his time as mayor to further his political career, he's doing it by putting his name on all of the new growth.
I feel that when it comes to Curry, he is going to continue to get his marching orders from higher up in the party, as he's done all along. That would be great if our city were the benefactor of the changes I feel he'll make, but if our city's needs don't align with party needs, we're gonna be screwed. If he's elected, then I have to equate the running of our city with the running of our state, and that scares me. How many programs have we cut (as a state) because it didn't fit in the republican agenda. One has to look no further than the state cutting off their nose to spite their face regarding ACA, transit and other federal funds that could have been used to better our state. Why? Political infighting. I see more of the same if Curry is elected and that's why I will not vote for Curry.
I understand that most everyone only do things that promote their own agenda. I'm not much different, but I'm also not a public servant. That, IMO, is the first and foremost reason that the politiks are as fucked as they are. Once you take on the role of a servant, you need to put the betterment of your master ahead of yourself, and in a democracy, the master is the 51%. I'm not sure when and where this concept was abandoned and unfortunately, I don't ever see it going back in that direction.
We need to stop electing people that want to lead us,and start electing those willing to serve.
Good post.
Quote from: stephendare on May 17, 2015, 09:51:28 AM
yawn
Useless post.
Quote from: stephendare on May 17, 2015, 11:23:38 AM
Quote from: strider on May 17, 2015, 11:14:59 AM
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on May 17, 2015, 09:59:21 AM
MY main consideration is based off of track record. And these are my beliefs. I'm not saying any of you are wrong or right.
You can agree or disagree with how his actual accomplishments, but I feel that MAB is less about the politics and more about the presentation. He's obviously lacking in many areas. He has made some poor choices regarding his appointments. He has also been absent on many of the social issues that have been staring at the city for quite a while. That being said, he has been doing a lot (sometimes by getting out of the way and doing nothing more than attaching his name to a project) to assist in moving the core of our city towards a more positive vibe. Love him or hate him, you can't deny that there's a palpable feeling in the air that the city is on the cusp of turning a corner. MAB has worked both sides of the political spectrum and he has met many of the communities' concerns and allowed them to push through.
If he is using his time as mayor to further his political career, he's doing it by putting his name on all of the new growth.
I feel that when it comes to Curry, he is going to continue to get his marching orders from higher up in the party, as he's done all along. That would be great if our city were the benefactor of the changes I feel he'll make, but if our city's needs don't align with party needs, we're gonna be screwed. If he's elected, then I have to equate the running of our city with the running of our state, and that scares me. How many programs have we cut (as a state) because it didn't fit in the republican agenda. One has to look no further than the state cutting off their nose to spite their face regarding ACA, transit and other federal funds that could have been used to better our state. Why? Political infighting. I see more of the same if Curry is elected and that's why I will not vote for Curry.
I understand that most everyone only do things that promote their own agenda. I'm not much different, but I'm also not a public servant. That, IMO, is the first and foremost reason that the politiks are as fucked as they are. Once you take on the role of a servant, you need to put the betterment of your master ahead of yourself, and in a democracy, the master is the 51%. I'm not sure when and where this concept was abandoned and unfortunately, I don't ever see it going back in that direction.
We need to stop electing people that want to lead us,and start electing those willing to serve.
Good post.
Quote from: stephendare on May 17, 2015, 09:51:28 AM
yawn
Useless post.
It joins a giant number of similarly useless posts that you've pasted on the subject. It doesn't suffer from loneliness at least.
Ha, Ha
By the way, I can't paste anything here.....
Ed, I quoted the wrong post before. I can see why the ? mark. lol
Quote from: strider on May 17, 2015, 07:51:58 AM
Hmmm, (quote Chesire Cat) "If Lenny gets in, Lori will not run against him. IMO"
So besides promoting that incumbents can't be beat so if we don't elect Brown (the incumbent) we get Curry for eight years now you are promoting that if you like the idea of Lori Boyer running for Mayor (If, maybe, someday...) , you prevent that from happening if you vote for Curry.
Interesting.
(quote edjax) "So we are sadly to the point that it comes down to his fib was not as bad as the other ones fib. All points to the fact they are both pretty much incompetent. But that is government for you."
Yep, so we then have to find some positive to decide for ourselves which candidate will do the least harm. For myself, I think the deciding factor is change. This thread indicates one issue I have with Brown and, well, I personally have many issues with how the city is run so I am hoping that change, any change, will improve at least some of the small things. If you think I am wrong and that you see more positives for Brown, then that is how you should vote. But decide that based not on some unrealized fear that Curry would be in for eight years or will prevent Boyer from running for Mayor some day but some positive you see in the candidate and his possible administration.
Lori would likely not run because Lenny would be an incumbent and a firm member of the GOP. She would not challenge him on that basis unless he did a horrible job in office. Politically it would not make sense for the party and Lori is indeed a stalwart of the Republican community as she should be. Her leadership and intelligence sets her apart. The rest of your musings on the topic are not akin to my thinking process with the Boyer statement. :)