Looks like Bishop changed his mind on not endorsing Brown or Curry. I wonder what happened?
QuoteCity Councilman Bill Bishop, who finished third in the March mayor's race, endorsed Mayor Alvin Brown on Thursday for re-election.
Bishop previously had opted not to endorse either Brown or challenger Lenny Curry, who finished one-two in the March contest.
Brown and Curry face off May 19.
In the March "first election," Brown won 43 percent, Curry captured 38 percent, and Bishop corralled 17 percent of the vote.
Full article: http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2015-04-30/story/bill-bishop-endorses-mayor-alvin-brown-re-election
Here's the email from the Brown campaign that just came in:
QuoteIN MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT, BILL BISHOP ENDORSES ALVIN BROWN,
ASKS HIS SUPPORTERS TO HELP RE-ELECT MAYOR
Bishop Endorsement Promises to Impact Election's Trajectory, Impact Decision of Undecided and Independent Voters
JACKSONVILLE, FL—Today, in a major announcement, former mayoral candidate and current city councilman Bill Bishop is endorsing Jacksonville Mayor Alvin Brown. Bishop joined Brown in front of City Hall to ask his supporters to help re-elect the mayor. Bishop's endorsement promises to impact the election's trajectory along with the decision of undecided and independent voters.
"I am proud to be endorsed by Councilman Bill Bishop, a true public servant who has dedicated his life to Jacksonville and the people of our great city," Brown said. "We both share a vision for growing our downtown; protecting our greatest natural treasure, the St. John's River; and working across party lines to grow Jacksonville's economy and make it a safer place to live for our families and loved ones. With the help of Councilman Bishop's former supporters, I hope to serve Jacksonville for another four years and finish taking Jacksonville to the next level."
"This election is about who is most qualified to be mayor for all of Jacksonville to move our city forward," Bishop said. "I've concluded that the best mayor for the next four years is the man who's held the office for the last four, Alvin Brown. Under Mayor Brown's leadership, a number of key economic developments have occurred that have improved and will continue to improve our local economy. I was proud to receive the confidence of tens of thousands of voters in Jacksonville on March 24. I encourage every one of them that shares our vision for Jacksonville to vote for Mayor Alvin Brown and keep our city moving forward."
Today's endorsement follows the recent announcement that Bishop's former staff has joined the Brown campaign. Earlier this month, Rob and Jill Storey, Bishop's senior leadership and owners of the RLS Group, joined Team Brown as consultants. Former Bishop social media manager, Jesse Wilson, also recently endorsed Brown in an op-ed in Metro Jacksonville. Their hiring, along with Bishop's endorsement, are examples of Brown's efforts to serve Jacksonville without playing partisan politics.
Brown has spent four years in City Hall bringing all parties together for the benefit of Jacksonville's citizens. Under Brown's leadership, 36,000 new jobs have been created; unemployment has been cut in half; and Forbes has consistently ranked Jacksonville among the top five cities in the country to find a job.
Lenny Curry, on the other hand, continues to make partisan attacks to divide the city and win favor with only his most extreme supporters. According to the Florida Times-Union, Curry "hasn't done the kind of politics that might be valuable as mayor (actual governing)," but "he has been involved in perhaps the worst part of politics, the partisan games played by leadership on both sides of the aisle." In fact, the Times-Union also argues that "if a candidate can be judged by his campaign, then Curry has made a dreadful mistake. His supporters are using crude and negative campaign tactics."
Quote from: thelakelander on April 30, 2015, 03:22:23 PM
Looks like Bishop changed his mind on not endorsing Brown or Curry. I wonder what happened?
I assume it's because: (1) he hated not being in the spot light anymore and (2) if Brown wins, he would not face an incumbent in 2019.
That's some #nextlevel strategy.
Spotlight isn't important to him. I personally would love to see him run for mayor again after Alvin if he makes it through the election.
Quote from: Cheshire Cat on April 30, 2015, 04:01:36 PM
Spotlight isn't important to him.
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From JBJ:
Quote...With the press conference announcing the endorsement coming shortly after Chief of Staff Chris Hand announced he wouldn't be staying on if Brown won a second term, the Business Journal asked Bishop if he had been offered the job.
Bishop, a Republican, said he wasn't concerned about anything that happened after the election. "I'm focused on the election," he said.
As someone who supported Bishop the first time around, and was planning on backing Brown for one of the reasons mentioned above, I can't say I dislike this, if there's any substance to this theory at all.
Basically a huge FU to the REC and a potential opportunity to begin injecting some of his influence from behind the scenes instead of a council member.
And it's av1,000% do or die move, IMO. I don't know the protocol regarding running for mayor as an active chief of staff, so my comments may be more pointless than usual. But if he can run, and the next 4 years go smoothly, his transition to mayor would be almost a lock; if they're a disaster, then it would be nearly pointless to run.
Personally, I think it's just that if Brown wins, there would be no incumbent in 2019.
And....perhaps there is a cabinet level appointment riding on this if Brown wins.
Quote from: thelakelander on April 30, 2015, 03:22:23 PMLooks like Bishop changed his mind on not endorsing Brown or Curry. I wonder what happened?
Brown's study on non-discrimination protections maybe?
News media reporting that Chris Hand has announced his resignation to take place in near future.
It really isn't megatron. lol He is interested in sanity in government in conjunction with not handing our city over to the far right GOP hardliners. In all his time in office he has never been about putting the focus on himself as opposed to issues impacting our city. My guess is this may also be partially a message to the local RNC about their behaviors and uncool manipulaions. He of course did not tell me that, just my view. You notice there was no big to do with them when two republican councilmembers endorsed Brown, that being Holt and Joost. We got the sound of silence. For me this is a hard race to vote in. Really hard. I do not dislike either Brown or Curry personally but both have me seriously concerned about where Jacksonville is headed under their watch. At least we have an idea about who Brown is and we will still have some very competent people on the council to balance out his leadership as it were and that gives me some hope. I am extremely worried about the GOP machine stepping into office with Curry in a way never seen before. Very worried. At least with Brown we know we are only tied down for 4 years as opposed to eight. To my view Bill Bishop was and remains the most experienced and competent person that was in the race for mayor but did not have the money or the system in place to get the needed name recognition and backing. I hope in four plus years he has that.
Quote from: Jumpinjack on April 30, 2015, 04:34:25 PM
News media reporting that Chris Hand has announced his resignation to take place in near future.
Ah, this is likely the key then. ;)
Transparency is the last thing that is happening in the Brown administration. Total Backroom deals.
2014-412
2014-305
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Anyone else feeling sorry for the ............Guys?
Free Parking.
http://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2015/04/30/heres-why-bill-bishop-is-endorsing-alvin-brown.html?ana=twt
Bill Bishop earned an apology from his former election staff just about two weeks ago for implying in e-mails that he endorsed Brown. Yet today he is actually doing what was suggested. It is politics, nothing more. He has learned a lesson from this past primary and will be playing these political moves more and more. Some of us had hoped for more from him, but this is how things work. Can't blame him one bit. Doesn't make Brown nor Curry any better of a choice for Mayor.
I can't see that anything Curry and those behind him can do is any worse that what Brown and those behind him are doing and will do. And fours years only? No, I think we have had years and years of the same stuff through several Mayors and will have the same stuff regardless of who gets elected in the future. I now firmly believe there is very little we can do about all of the big stuff. The facts seem to be that Sleiman will get his new Landing, Khan will get his Shipyards deal and ...well, I'm sure there will be many more things just like them happening in the next four years. Frankly, the only positive that we tax payers get from those types of deals are incidental to the power people's plans.
That leaves the small stuff and I do truly think that we can affect the small stuff in many places. The one I am going to focus on is the new appointees. If Brown is elected, the appointees who do most of the street level decision making and work will still be here for at least four years. If Curry gets elected, then I believe the majority of those appointees will be new. If Curry replaced Scott and Prado, then there will be hope for a new and improved MCCD. That in itself may be enough of a reason to vote for Curry.
Quote from: strider on April 30, 2015, 06:04:20 PM
Bill Bishop earned an apology from his former election staff just about two weeks ago for implying in e-mails that he endorsed Brown. Yet today he is actually doing what was suggested. It is politics, nothing more. He has learned a lesson from this past primary and will be playing these political moves more and more. Some of us had hoped for more from him, but this is how things work. Can't blame him one bit. Doesn't make Brown nor Curry any better of a choice for Mayor.
I can't see that anything Curry and those behind him can do is any worse that what Brown and those behind him are doing and will do. And fours years only? No, I think we have had years and years of the same stuff through several Mayors and will have the same stuff regardless of who gets elected in the future. I now firmly believe there is very little we can do about all of the big stuff. The facts seem to be that Sleiman will get his new Landing, Khan will get his Shipyards deal and ...well, I'm sure there will be many more things just like them happening in the next four years. Frankly, the only positive that we tax payers get from those types of deals are incidental to the power people's plans.
That leaves the small stuff and I do truly think that we can affect the small stuff in many places. The one I am going to focus on is the new appointees. If Brown is elected, the appointees who do most of the street level decision making and work will still be here for at least four years. If Curry gets elected, then I believe the majority of those appointees will be new. If Curry replaced Scott and Prado, then there will be hope for a new and improved MCCD. That in itself may be enough of a reason to vote for Curry.
Except there is no knowing whether Curry would replace either. I am very conflicted over all of this actually. Bill has learned that you have to make some moves you might rather not in order to work toward a larger goal. If Curry is elected there will be no taking him on in four years as an incumbent. The question is what will the influence of the likes of Rick Scott, Romney, Rubio, Rick Perry and his ilk have on our city? The possible negatives connected to those politicalyl biased players concerns me greatly, that in tandem with what will be a majority republican council.
As to the Sleiman and Khan deals. They better not get everything that are banking on. That would be a major sell out of the taxpayers current and future interests. I am not saying the landing and the shipyard do not need investment or attention. I am saying we the taxpayers better not see the greatest interest of these projects simply being to enhance the wealth of private business. As to the rest after Khan and Sleiman being small stuff. I don't agree at all. We have crime, infant mortality, Aids epidemic, crumbling infrastructure and citywide blight issues, closed libraries etc.
At the time of the emails in support of Brown issue came up, Bill had not made his decision to publically support Brown. His staff was right to apologize at that point. What is former campaign staff did after the first election cycle was not in his control. The key is they were "former" staff speaking as individuals
Bill Bishop just lost my vote in any future election. He should have not endorsed anyone.
Tell me carpenter. Do you think no one should endorse another candidate ever? lol This is the way politics works when there are big stakes. Like or not, there will always be people endorsing and each individual has to do what is right for themselves I suppose. :)
Quote from: strider on April 30, 2015, 06:04:20 PM
Bill Bishop earned an apology from his former election staff just about two weeks ago for implying in e-mails that he endorsed Brown. Yet today he is actually doing what was suggested. It is politics, nothing more. He has learned a lesson from this past primary and will be playing these political moves more and more. Some of us had hoped for more from him, but this is how things work. Can't blame him one bit. Doesn't make Brown nor Curry any better of a choice for Mayor.
I can't see that anything Curry and those behind him can do is any worse that what Brown and those behind him are doing and will do. And fours years only? No, I think we have had years and years of the same stuff through several Mayors and will have the same stuff regardless of who gets elected in the future. I now firmly believe there is very little we can do about all of the big stuff. The facts seem to be that Sleiman will get his new Landing, Khan will get his Shipyards deal and ...well, I'm sure there will be many more things just like them happening in the next four years. Frankly, the only positive that we tax payers get from those types of deals are incidental to the power people's plans.
That leaves the small stuff and I do truly think that we can affect the small stuff in many places. The one I am going to focus on is the new appointees. If Brown is elected, the appointees who do most of the street level decision making and work will still be here for at least four years. If Curry gets elected, then I believe the majority of those appointees will be new. If Curry replaced Scott and Prado, then there will be hope for a new and improved MCCD. That in itself may be enough of a reason to vote for Curry.
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Environmental Ethics- Vince Seibold
Quote from: Cheshire Cat on April 30, 2015, 06:30:01 PM
Quote from: strider on April 30, 2015, 06:04:20 PM
Bill Bishop earned an apology from his former election staff just about two weeks ago for implying in e-mails that he endorsed Brown. Yet today he is actually doing what was suggested. It is politics, nothing more. He has learned a lesson from this past primary and will be playing these political moves more and more. Some of us had hoped for more from him, but this is how things work. Can't blame him one bit. Doesn't make Brown nor Curry any better of a choice for Mayor.
I can't see that anything Curry and those behind him can do is any worse that what Brown and those behind him are doing and will do. And fours years only? No, I think we have had years and years of the same stuff through several Mayors and will have the same stuff regardless of who gets elected in the future. I now firmly believe there is very little we can do about all of the big stuff. The facts seem to be that Sleiman will get his new Landing, Khan will get his Shipyards deal and ...well, I'm sure there will be many more things just like them happening in the next four years. Frankly, the only positive that we tax payers get from those types of deals are incidental to the power people's plans.
That leaves the small stuff and I do truly think that we can affect the small stuff in many places. The one I am going to focus on is the new appointees. If Brown is elected, the appointees who do most of the street level decision making and work will still be here for at least four years. If Curry gets elected, then I believe the majority of those appointees will be new. If Curry replaced Scott and Prado, then there will be hope for a new and improved MCCD. That in itself may be enough of a reason to vote for Curry.
Except there is no knowing whether Curry would replace either. I am very conflicted over all of this actually. Bill has learned that you have to make some moves you might rather not in order to work toward a larger goal. If Curry is elected there will be no taking him on in four years as an incumbent. The question is what will the influence of the likes of Rick Scott, Romney, Rubio, Rick Perry and his ilk have on our city? The possible negatives connected to those politicalyl biased players concerns me greatly, that in tandem with what will be a majority republican council.
As to the Sleiman and Khan deals. They better not get everything that are banking on. That would be a major sell out of the taxpayers current and future interests. I am not saying the landing and the shipyard do not need investment or attention. I am saying we the taxpayers better not see the greatest interest of these projects simply being to enhance the wealth of private business. As to the rest after Khan and Sleiman being small stuff. I don't agree at all. We have crime, infant mortality, Aids epidemic, crumbling infrastructure and citywide blight issues, closed libraries etc.
At the time of the emails in support of Brown issue came up, Bill had not made his decision to publically support Brown. His staff was right to apologize at that point. What is former campaign staff did after the first election cycle was not in his control. The key is they were "former" staff speaking as individuals
No, we have no way of knowing who Curry would replace nor who he would appoint. We know who Brown has appointed and promoted and how well those appointees have done or not done. It is time for a change and the fates have dealt that the only hope of change at this point is Curry. I still say the influence of everyone you mentioned is not going to be any worse for Jacksonville than the influence of Corrine Brown and everyone else behind Alvin Brown.
And everything past the money deals is certainly small stuff to the level of politicians we find ourselves dealing with. Just seeing 2 million raised per candidate tells us that. But I have been part of effecting change in the small stuff in the last years and so that is where I see hope. Hope to help with the HRO issues, the blight issues and to stop some of the nonsense. To do that however, we must also have change. We can't get that change under Brown.
Isn't saying that the incumbent is so hard to beat that if Curry got elected he automatically will get 8 years and we should fear that a bit ironic when you are promoting the re-election of Brown giving us 4 more years of the status quo? It is a self fulfilling prophecy. Proving in a way that the incumbent, no matter how bad, can't be beat. So I say instead, what if we vote for change? Every four years. Maybe some day, we will get it right.
QuoteI assume it's because: (1) he hated not being in the spot light anymore
+1, Bishop is a publicity hound. Hey Bill, can you call a press conference to discuss Global Warming?
This was a total sellout of two people. Bishop threw his support behind Brown who hopes to win Avondale, Riverside and urban areas. People who wanted change, but now have their former candidate throwing support behind.....4 more years of the same. That's great change!
Interesting development, but we'll see what kind of impact it will really have. Many people who voted for Bishop were voting less for the man himself than what he represented. He was seen as the candidate who best reflected the moderate perspective on a number of issues but there was clearly a limit to how much of that he he could carry. The moderate business Republican vote was enough to get 37% combined for Moran and Mullaney in 2011 (more than any single candidate pulled in), but Bishop only carried 17% this time. We'll see how much his endorsement really carries with the folks who voted for him.
At any rate, Bishop has pretty effectively sealed his fate in the 2019 elections, especially if he does takes a job with Brown. He'll be dead to the party, and he'll have the same fundraising trouble he had this time, probably worse.
Quote from: stephendare on May 01, 2015, 10:51:34 AM
Quote from: Tacachale on May 01, 2015, 10:48:38 AM
Interesting development, but we'll see what kind of impact it will really have. Many people who voted for Bishop were voting less for the man himself than what he represented. He was seen as the candidate who best reflected the moderate perspective on a number of issues but there was clearly a limit to how much of that he he could carry. The moderate business Republican vote was enough to get 37% combined for Moran and Mullaney in 2011 (more than any single candidate pulled in), but Bishop only carried 17% this time. We'll see how much his endorsement really carries with the folks who voted for him.
At any rate, Bishop has pretty effectively sealed his fate in the 2019 elections, especially if he does takes a job with Brown. He'll be dead to the party, and he'll have the same fundraising trouble he had this time, probably worse.
meh. well see about that.
And frankly if the republicans keep teeing up right wing extremists like Hogan and Curry to run for mayor, and decide things the way that they did by anointing Curry despite the actual vote for Bishop, then what the Party thinks might not amount to a hill of beans in four years.
I agree with Tacachale. Putting principle above party is NEVER rewarded or overlooked in the GOP, which is one reason I don't support them. To put the greater good ahead of narrow partisan interest is heresy. Bishop is clearly hitching his wagon to a Brown victory, which I don't have a problem with, but if Curry wins, Bishop will be dead politically.
^Yep, it's over for him in electoral politics, at least at this level. No matter who wins, at this point, I sincerely doubt he'll be going anywhere in 4 years, or 8.
However, I'd seriously challenge that this was about "the greater good" in any way, shape or form. The move was political, or maybe personal. There's no "greater good" in supporting a terrible mayor who just may have a job waiting in the wings for you. Unfortunately for him (and us), the most he can probably hope for is a job under Brown for 4 years.
http://floridapolitics.com/archives/182165-bill-bishops-endorsement-and-the-lost-decade-claim
^Oh wow, I missed that. If that's true it definitely casts a bad light on this endorsement.
That's great, but the real questions are about what Bishop has said and done, not Curry. Gancarski's questions are the right ones:
Quote
Consider that Bishop was telling me and other people a few months back that Brown was a "lousy mayor." Then consider the footsie his campaign staff played with the endorsement email that Bishop didn't seem to mind all that much. Then consider the language of Thursday's endorsement, in which Bishop referred to it as a "unilateral exercise," and indeed it was exercise, as Bishop spent a good fifteen minutes strenuously walking back the claims he spent an entire year making on the campaign trail.
Even the question as to whether or not there was a quid pro quo in exchange for the endorsement was not exactly answered.
Bill Bishop has every right to endorse a candidate; let's be clear on that. The T-U report raises serious questions about the integrity of that endorsement and how much it actually means though. And those questions should be answered.
What has changed in the last few months to change Brown from being a "lousy mayor" in Bishop's eyes to a man worthy of four more years? Would Brown's reelection be tantamount to a "lost decade" for Jacksonville or not? Have there ever been any conversations between Bishop and Alvin Brown, or his representatives, about a concrete role in the Brown Administration should there be a second term? These are the salient questions emerging from Thursday's endorsement event, and Jacksonville voters deserve straight answers.
http://floridapolitics.com/archives/182165-bill-bishops-endorsement-and-the-lost-decade-claim
Regardless of whatever Curry has said, Bishop has some 'splainin to do. He was always so good at answering questions on the campaign trail, but now he won't answer the question as to whether or not Brown or his people have had discussions with him about a new job in the administration. What has made Alvin go from "lousy mayor" to "endorsable candidate" in the last few weeks?
Quote from: stephendare on May 01, 2015, 02:13:09 PM
Quote from: Tacachale on May 01, 2015, 02:01:25 PM
Regardless of whatever Curry has said, Bishop has some 'splainin to do. He was always so good at answering questions on the campaign trail, but now he won't answer the question as to whether or not Brown or his people have had discussions with him about a new job in the administration. What has made Alvin go from "lousy mayor" to "endorsable candidate" in the last few weeks?
Bishop isn't running for office. Curry is. And this kind of chicanery is over the top. No wonder Bishop endorsed Brown. Curry is apparently exactly the kind of snake that people keep describing privately.
You can believe him when he says he did it for the best interests of the city.
No, I don't think I'll be taking his word on that until he makes a clear statement about whether he had discussions with Brown's team about a job in the administration. And, you know, about what makes Alvin a supportable candidate all of a sudden.
Deflection, deflection. Something tells me your tune would be different if Bishop had endorsed Curry amid suggestions of quid-pro-quo discussions.
This is simple really and the surrounding drama over this endorsement is bemusing. We all understand that politics at this level is all about strategy, finances and political backing. Bill Bishop entered this race based upon his experience and desire to lift the dialog of local political candidates by actually giving facts and answering questions put to him about all manner of issues. He tested the waters with this approach and in spite of being the most competent and experienced candidate he did not win. The reason was largely because of available finances to run his campaign. Both Curry and Brown have sizable financial war chests and their campaigns have been driven by rhetoric, buzz words and a lack of concrete plans or viable platform. Bishop's equity in this race is in his votes garnered the last elections cycle. He like all the others that entered this race had a vision and hope for Jacksonville. Now here's the deal. A person like Bill who has a real interest in the direction this city is taking down the road will do what they can to influence that future and make our city better. Some blog to do that, others attend meetings, others become activists, others run for political office and the list goes on. Bill worked hard the last election cycle, put himself and his ideas out there and the result was that his ideas resonated with enough people that he ended up with over 30,000 votes in equity. He decided to use it! Yes, he initially said he would not endorse, but after further discussion and thought perhaps he understood that there was another way he have an impact on the direction Jacksonville takes going forward as well as play a viable roll in that future once off the council. He decided to use his vote equity to influence the current run off for mayor and he has every right to do so. This faux outrage over endorsements and him possibly planning a future with him bringing his honest commentary and straightforward way of handing city business forward, in conjunction with giving factual answers to important issues is something this city sorely needs. Think about it. No one cares that nearly 5 million dollars is being used to decide this race and no one questions either candidate using those funds to make a case for themselves as mayor to take Jacksonville forward, no one questions their flimsy platforms of last minute policies, yet Bill uses his vote equity politically and everyone thinks it a scandal. lol It's politics people and the truth of the matter is, if Alvin Brown is re-elected I will feel much better knowing Bill Bishop has a voice in what is to come whether standing on the parameter or working in the administration going forward. Further, it also amazes me that no one can imagine a guy who was dissed and shunned by his own party for the sake of the GOP power hold would not take the opportunity to show them that when you wrong those loyal to you it's folly to think that they will not take the opportunity to politely say "in your face"! To my view knowing Bill he gave this serious thought and decided to change course on an endorsement which by the way is what good leadership is, evaluate the facts and change your approach if necessary. You have to take all the facts into consideration when you are involved in politics and planning a future run for office. You must stay relevant and involved. He made the right moral and tactical decision and people are complaining about it while chocking down the attack ads and posturing of the remaining two candidates. Get over it. lol
Wait a minute... Bishop said something, and then flip flopped when it was politically expedient for him to do that?
That's NEVER happened before.
Well... except for this one time, where he pounded his chest and made a big stand on the Mobility Plan when over 80 people showed up to a City Council committee meeting on the subject and promised to create a new task force that would look at improving the entire plan instead of caving into the sullied interests of big bad developers.
Then, when he realized he was going to run for mayor and needed some campaign cash he scrapped the whole idea of the task force and instead backed legislation that essentially completely killed the rest of the Mobility Plan and which allowed a developer to reap millions from the City of Jacksonville... a move that backfired because said developer backed his opponent.
Yes, this is all completely shocking.
Quote from: fieldafm on May 01, 2015, 04:17:01 PM
Wait a minute... Bishop said something, and then flip flopped when it was politically expedient for him to do that?
That's NEVER happened before.
Well... except for this one time, where he pounded his chest and made a big stand on the Mobility Plan when over 80 people showed up to a City Council committee meeting on the subject and promised to create a new task force that would look at improving the entire plan instead of caving into the sullied interests of big bad developers.
Then, when he realized he was going to run for mayor and needed some campaign cash he scrapped the whole idea of the task force and instead backed legislation that essentially completely killed the rest of the Mobility Plan and which allowed a developer to reap millions from the City of Jacksonville... a move that backfired because said developer backed his opponent.
Yes, this is all completely shocking.
Mike, with all due respect. Bishop simply made an endorsement. If we want to do a breakdown of the past political decisions of all of those who make an endorsement we would be here until the next election cycle. Lord have mercy, it's just an endorsement. :) I am just saying that insulting Bishop at this point in order to underplay an endorsement for Brown isn't going to change much.
Quote from: stephendare on May 01, 2015, 04:27:44 PM
yeah same level of shock that fills me to find Lenny Curry is still the undercutting, insinuating snake that he got a reputation for while trying to make sure that black people couldn't vote in elections.
Although I am shocked that he stooped to suggest that Bishop was breaking the law.
Did Curry actually say Bishop broke the law? I missed that. lol
Hahahaha. I hadn't see that Stephen. Bishop had the correct response, it's silly stuff!
Like it or not, this does look suspicious, considering that Bishop (1) is a Republican, (2) has spent the last 4 years talking about how bad of a mayor Brown is, and (3) just said he wouldn't endorse anyone in a press conference he called for that purpose. If he's really just picking the guy he thinks is better, that's cool, and right. But the question of whether there's some quid pro quo happening is a perfectly reasonable one to ask, considering how strange this is, and the response has been underwhelming. Especially considering he was the candidate who prided himself on answering questions. I hope there's nothing to it, because it really sucks if there is.
The main reason for Mr. Curry's real or feigned outrage is that he believes that he is being beaten at his own game. Mind you, he's not a politician (wink) and that he would never resort to political machinations and skullduggery to get what he wants. Everyone in Jacksonville should collectively clutch their pearls and find their fainting couch at the mere mention of one candidate's endorsement somehow offend the sensibilities of a challenger whose campaign resorted to running ads that drew their inspiration from 'Birth of a Nation'. Let's not be mistaken here. The former head of the state GOP wants to run up the score on Democrats after having their run of the board with governors and legislative races. He is ready to spike the ball and take out a Democrat in a mayor's race one year before a presidential election. Perhaps Mr. Bishop realizes this and wants to have a mayor who wants to lead our city and not a mayor who would use our city as a pawn on the national chessboard.
Quote from: MEGATRON on May 01, 2015, 12:46:16 PM
http://floridapolitics.com/archives/182165-bill-bishops-endorsement-and-the-lost-decade-claim
I'm having a difficult time putting Tony's articles "unbiased" . With Melissa Ross on First Coast Connect, he could very well had been Brian Hughes instead of A. G. Garcanski. The idea he pushed about "Curry only running a clean and positive campaign" clearly was contradicted in the mailer I received yesterday, showing a very darked pic of Mayor brown, frowning, blaming Brown for '
Murder Rate has increased 35%". I'm putting that "fact" 9if it really is one) straight in John Rutherford's hand and non activity. Curry's giant mailer was horrible showing a group of white 'innocent' victims scared of rape and murder.
It was ugly, a low, and if Tony sees this as positive campaign, he may be making some deals of his own. Maybe a part time write would love a full time media gig w/ Curry? If he wants to speculate, so am I.
Quote from: Tacachale on May 01, 2015, 06:18:39 PM
Like it or not, this does look suspicious, considering that Bishop (1) is a Republican, (2) has spent the last 4 years talking about how bad of a mayor Brown is, and (3) just said he wouldn't endorse anyone in a press conference he called for that purpose. If he's really just picking the guy he thinks is better, that's cool, and right. But the question of whether there's some quid pro quo happening is a perfectly reasonable one to ask, considering how strange this is, and the response has been underwhelming. Especially considering he was the candidate who prided himself on answering questions. I hope there's nothing to it, because it really sucks if there is.
There is always some quid for quo at some level in political dealings. Always. I stopped clutching my pearls a long time ago. Politics is manipulative, calculating and brutal at it's best that has always been so and likely will never change. A simple endorsement is no big deal regardless of party. There have been endorsements across party lines like crazy in this election cycle and their will be more in the future. It really is no big deal. I have been chuckling to myself all day about the feigned outrage though. I mean come on people. :)