Jesse Wilson Switches Parties And Endorses Brown
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In his own words, the former Republican candidate for City Council and the recent Social Media Manager of the Bill Bishop Campaign weighs in on the upcoming mayoral runoff, giving insight into his experiences and his loyalty in a post-Bishop race. Eyepopping essay by the Jville original: Jesse Leigh Wilson
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This should say so much more than a Rick Perry endorsement.
Jesse is a good guy with a good message. Can't argue with the facts and figures.
Still not convinced we're talking about a good Mayor.
But, as often is the case, lesser-evil, devil-you-know, whatever.
I agree that the DEMs usually take a much more inclusive stand on the issues, but as a DEM myself I think it's important to note that there are many exceptions to that rule (I can think of a couple running for city council off the top of my head right now). Additionally, the DEMs are just as dysfunctional as the REPs are, and they do just as little to reach out and identify with younger members. In truth the two party system is hurting us, particularly in local elections. Removing party affiliation, getting rid of the "us versus them" politics, and forcing candidates to run on the issues rather than on the letter next to their name will do wonders for helping to move Jacksonville forward.
Welcome aboard Jesse!
Not impressed. This isn't going to change my opinion of Brown and his incompetence. Neither candidate is worth a darn. What concerns me is 4 more years of Brown just gives him a springboard to run for state or federal office and spread his incompetence there as well. With Curry we could kick him out in 4 years and he would disappear.
Quote from: Jtetlak on April 06, 2015, 03:32:00 PM
I agree that the DEMs usually take a much more inclusive stand on the issues, but as a DEM myself I think it's important to note that there are many exceptions to that rule (I can think of a couple running for city council off the top of my head right now). Additionally, the DEMs are just as dysfunctional as the REPs are, and they do just as little to reach out and identify with younger members. In truth the two party system is hurting us, particularly in local elections. Removing party affiliation, getting rid of the "us versus them" politics, and forcing candidates to run on the issues rather than on the letter next to their name will do wonders for helping to move Jacksonville forward.
This is the most important step for Jacksonville's politics to do. Who makes this decision on unitary elections. SOE? I haven't research it at all.
Quote from: carpnter on April 06, 2015, 04:10:01 PM
Not impressed. This isn't going to change my opinion of Brown and his incompetence. Neither candidate is worth a darn. What concerns me is 4 more years of Brown just gives him a springboard to run for state or federal office and spread his incompetence there as well. With Curry we could kick him out in 4 years and he would disappear.
I disagree with the above. Alvin Brown will have a tough time running for state or federal office unless he fixes some of his policy positions. The only election in which he's ever faced Democratic primary voters, he's lost. The same would be the case if he runs state-wide. Say, for Governor or Senate.
As it is, some of his supporters are weak support at best. People who voted for someone else in the first election in 2011 and likely 2015. But you can see what the power of incumbency means. He'll likely get re-elected. I think it would be the same situation with Mr. Curry. If Mayor Brown wins, we get a fresh start in 2019. If it's Mr. Curry, we're taking 2023. Unfathomable.
Quote from: Jimmy on April 06, 2015, 05:11:08 PM
Quote from: carpnter on April 06, 2015, 04:10:01 PM
Not impressed. This isn't going to change my opinion of Brown and his incompetence. Neither candidate is worth a darn. What concerns me is 4 more years of Brown just gives him a springboard to run for state or federal office and spread his incompetence there as well. With Curry we could kick him out in 4 years and he would disappear.
I disagree with the above. Alvin Brown will have a tough time running for state or federal office unless he fixes some of his policy positions. The only election in which he's ever faced Democratic primary voters, he's lost. The same would be the case if he runs state-wide. Say, for Governor or Senate.
As it is, some of his supporters are weak support at best. People who voted for someone else in the first election in 2011 and likely 2015. But you can see what the power of incumbency means. He'll likely get re-elected. I think it would be the same situation with Mr. Curry. If Mayor Brown wins, we get a fresh start in 2019. If it's Mr. Curry, we're taking 2023. Unfathomable.
My concern is that waiting until 2019 just means the fiscal problems we are facing will get worse. Brown has shown no leadership on the issue starting with his budgets that were unworkable to the pension plan negotiations that had no way to pay for them.
Great move for an individual who could well be on his way to the Mayors office itself. I know he has my support.
In reference to comments of the failure of political parties reaching out to younger voters, the Duval Democrats just leaped in big time.
Both parties best reach out by setting examples of themselves in the political arena itself.
I find it great that a young guy like Jessie Wilson is so involved. However, he is playing politics, nothing more. For every good deed, there is at least one that tells a different story of Mayor Brown's tenure so far. One that says he is not our best hope. All of that information is on various threads found on this very forum. We are not faced with picking the one candidate that will be the best, we are faced with picking the one candidate that will do the least amount of harm over the next four years. It is, at best, a delay of hope. How sad is that?
Quote from: Jax native on April 06, 2015, 05:08:36 PM
Quote from: Jtetlak on April 06, 2015, 03:32:00 PM
I agree that the DEMs usually take a much more inclusive stand on the issues, but as a DEM myself I think it's important to note that there are many exceptions to that rule (I can think of a couple running for city council off the top of my head right now). Additionally, the DEMs are just as dysfunctional as the REPs are, and they do just as little to reach out and identify with younger members. In truth the two party system is hurting us, particularly in local elections. Removing party affiliation, getting rid of the "us versus them" politics, and forcing candidates to run on the issues rather than on the letter next to their name will do wonders for helping to move Jacksonville forward.
This is the most important step for Jacksonville's politics to do. Who makes this decision on unitary elections. SOE? I haven't research it at all.
We actually don't have a two party system, there are tons of other party designations across the nation. Anyone can create a political party and file it with the state. What we have are two old groups that are polarized and entrenched in our political system via the Dems and Reps. At some point in history that will change and I personally believe that the growing number of NPA's and Independents are the makings of a third less polarized group.
Quote from: carpnter on April 06, 2015, 04:10:01 PM
Not impressed. This isn't going to change my opinion of Brown and his incompetence. Neither candidate is worth a darn. What concerns me is 4 more years of Brown just gives him a springboard to run for state or federal office and spread his incompetence there as well. With Curry we could kick him out in 4 years and he would disappear.
You might be mistaken about Curry being kicked to the curb in four years. Once the GOP money and power folk have him in office they will do what it takes to keep him there. In four years Brown will be out of the mayors office and his political influence lessened. He may end up in an office somewhere on the fringes of Washington or some such a thing.
Quote from: Cheshire Cat on April 06, 2015, 08:50:51 PM
Quote from: Jax native on April 06, 2015, 05:08:36 PM
Quote from: Jtetlak on April 06, 2015, 03:32:00 PM
I agree that the DEMs usually take a much more inclusive stand on the issues, but as a DEM myself I think it's important to note that there are many exceptions to that rule (I can think of a couple running for city council off the top of my head right now). Additionally, the DEMs are just as dysfunctional as the REPs are, and they do just as little to reach out and identify with younger members. In truth the two party system is hurting us, particularly in local elections. Removing party affiliation, getting rid of the "us versus them" politics, and forcing candidates to run on the issues rather than on the letter next to their name will do wonders for helping to move Jacksonville forward.
This is the most important step for Jacksonville's politics to do. Who makes this decision on unitary elections. SOE? I haven't research it at all.
We actually don't have a two party system, there are tons of other party designations across the nation. Anyone can create a political party and file it with the state. What we have are two old groups that are polarized and entrenched in our political system via the Dems and Reps. At some point in history that will change and I personally believe that the growing number of NPA's and Independents are the makings of a third less polarized group.
Except the Independents didn't bother to vote. I believe the turnout for independents in the mayor race was something like 17%.
Yeah, the part of the patriarchal statement of "I find it great that a young man like Jesse wilson is so involved" is disturbing on so many levels. Impressed he has interest in politics? Impressed that at his age, he had interest in politics? Impressed that people in the 18-40 year old spectrum vote? I'm disappointed by the statement. Not the person stated this, but the myth that people 18 - 40 do not vote. I'm not talking about"The Young Voters Coalition" as they have been very vocal, in a positive way, of getting more people involved, but there are actually older people who think it's "great" for an under 30 year old to have a say about local politics. when I turned 18 years old, one of the first things I did was registered to vote. It's not an amazing act, not galant. it's a person's responsibility, especially knowing the lengths people of color and women had to go to just to be able to vote. This was spoken to me many times before I turned 18, and did not take it lightly. I guess, maybe the lack of apathy in young voters has taken on an mythological legend in older people's mind. This disheartened me.
QuoteNot impressed. This isn't going to change my opinion of Brown and his incompetence..... What concerns me is 4 more years of Brown just gives him a springboard to run for state or federal office and spread his incompetence there as well.
+1, He is loved by the Clintons...
QuoteNot impressed. This isn't going to change my opinion of Brown and his incompetence..... What concerns me is 4 more years of Brown just gives him a springboard to run for state or federal office and spread his incompetence there as well.
[/quote] Yes, he's a sure bet for the Hillary Clinton cabinet
[/quote]We actually don't have a two party system, there are tons of other party designations across the nation. Anyone can create a political party and file it with the state. What we have are two old groups that are polarized and entrenched in our political system via the Dems and Reps. At some point in history that will change and I personally believe that the growing number of NPA's and Independents are the makings of a third less polarized group.
[/quote] Not gonna happen. The U.S. has always been a two party system. And history has showed that very system is the key to what America is today. Its up to the posters to conclude that as bad or good. But its the truth, America is a two party political system.
Yes, Diane, you can form your own political party. And one of the most powerful, probably the most powerful third party today is the Tea Party. But the country is a two party system. Jesse as made a serious decision, one of the best of the Jacksonville election, in choosing to cross from one of the major parties to the other.
Let's see. A young man is involved with politics. He considers and withdraws from running for office. He works for a candidate that does not get elected. He leaves one major political party for the other major political party. He makes a statement that lists the biggest claimed accomplishments of a candidate, a candidate who he was until recently listing the bad things as part of his job. And you take offence that I said he was playing politics? Interesting.
So, I guess I am confused about why the statement that I think it is indeed great a young person is getting so involved was "wrong". Is it not great? Is it actually bad? To answer a couple of comments, I do not think the act of a young person voting is "great", but certainly Jessie Wilson has been involved far above what the average young person would traditionally be. If that "ages" me a bit in my opinions, so be it.
Once again, listing a politician's claimed accomplishments is standard operating procedure. Let's see a list that compares accomplishments right next to those negatives and see how Mayor Brown fares.
This mayoral election is nothing if not a delay of hope for this city.
"A delay of hope." Poetic, prescient, pitiful.
4 more years of mediocrity vs 8 years of fake partisan pit fighting. The latter might be more entertaining to watch, but the former gives us a chance to change course in 2019. It all amounts to another wasted decade in Jacksonville. Abandoned city buildings still on the river. But now even the streets are falling into the muck. The emerald necklace long delayed; Hogan's creek is still little more than a toxic ditch. Not only the loss of the human rights ordinance update, but backroom dealing to neuter the bill and ensure its defeat.
Yeah, 4 more years. People keep telling me things will be better in the second Brown term. It's hard to imagine them being worse. I have a hunch that Mr. Curry would sink us deeper, though. Would require the same wasteful 2 years of OJT that Mayor Brown needed. Would surround himself and the city with even more right-wing advisors and anti-government government workers.
A delay of hope, but a shorter one. 4 more years.
Quote from: Jimmy on April 07, 2015, 08:59:37 AM
"A delay of hope." Poetic, prescient, pitiful.
4 more years of mediocrity vs 8 years of fake partisan pit fighting. The latter might be more entertaining to watch, but the former gives us a chance to change course in 2019. It all amounts to another wasted decade in Jacksonville. Abandoned city buildings still on the river. But now even the streets are falling into the muck. The emerald necklace long delayed; Hogan's creek is still little more than a toxic ditch. Not only the loss of the human rights ordinance update, but backroom dealing to neuter the bill and ensure its defeat.
Yeah, 4 more years. People keep telling me things will be better in the second Brown term. It's hard to imagine them being worse. I have a hunch that Mr. Curry would sink us deeper, though. Would require the same wasteful 2 years of OJT that Mayor Brown needed. Would surround himself and the city with even more right-wing advisors and anti-government government workers.
A delay of hope, but a shorter one. 4 more years.
+100. Spot on.
I'm not taking anything away from Jesse, his thoughtfulness, or his brave stand against a local party machine that chewed him up (and other thoughtful young people) and spit him out. Whether or not he'd admit to being in my "crew," I'm glad to be in his.
He'll have my support in whatever direction his future takes.
That took a strange turn.
Jesse, good to hear from you and much success in your future.
Quote from: edjax on April 06, 2015, 09:12:38 PM
Quote from: Cheshire Cat on April 06, 2015, 08:50:51 PM
Quote from: Jax native on April 06, 2015, 05:08:36 PM
Quote from: Jtetlak on April 06, 2015, 03:32:00 PM
I agree that the DEMs usually take a much more inclusive stand on the issues, but as a DEM myself I think it's important to note that there are many exceptions to that rule (I can think of a couple running for city council off the top of my head right now). Additionally, the DEMs are just as dysfunctional as the REPs are, and they do just as little to reach out and identify with younger members. In truth the two party system is hurting us, particularly in local elections. Removing party affiliation, getting rid of the "us versus them" politics, and forcing candidates to run on the issues rather than on the letter next to their name will do wonders for helping to move Jacksonville forward.
This is the most important step for Jacksonville's politics to do. Who makes this decision on unitary elections. SOE? I haven't research it at all.
We actually don't have a two party system, there are tons of other party designations across the nation. Anyone can create a political party and file it with the state. What we have are two old groups that are polarized and entrenched in our political system via the Dems and Reps. At some point in history that will change and I personally believe that the growing number of NPA's and Independents are the makings of a third less polarized group.
Except the Independents didn't bother to vote. I believe the turnout for independents in the mayor race was something like 17%.
I wasn't actually focusing on this election cycle. I think the needed change in our dominate Dem/Rep politics will be gradual and incremental.
Quote from: Cheshire Cat on April 07, 2015, 03:24:26 PM
I wasn't actually focusing on this election cycle. I think the needed change in our dominate Dem/Rep politics will be gradual and incremental.
Ive been hearing that since day one. If you are interested in participating in voting, in the politics of America, choose one of the two major parties for membership. You can vote for your favorite candidate of your party in primary elections. The Jacksonville resolution of unitary elections is the answer you get for the maximum elimination of politics, the two major parties, in local elections. You got what you asked for.
If you truly detest both major parties, you can form your own party or align yourself with a third party. Such is the birth of America's largest third party, the Tea Party. The Tea Party "hates" both parties, too. Like many posters here. But if you choose to do this, you would do best to just ignore the election process and stay home.
Such is the wise, smart decision of Jesse Wilson. He's obviously serious enough to realize to make a difference is to be a member of one of the major parties. Theres nothing wrong with people who change their minds.
Politics, being the dirty word many give it, is essential to democracy. Without it, you have totalitarian dictatorship as "leadership without politics'.