http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2015-03-29/story/jacksonville-police-shoot-man-multiple-times-cleveland-arms
Is there anyone on here besides me, who listen to JSO media conference JSO Hackney gave a few hours ago and gave pause? I have a strange feeling this all doesn't add up?
Some of my friends in the activist community have said the alleged female victim has a much different version of events from what was indicated by JSO in the TU. Word is she wasn't getting choked or strangled or whatever. So, yeah, there could be more to the story yet to be told.
^ her interview that just aired on the news pretty much said just that
I haven't seen her interview, but JSO went out on some very fragile limbs in trying to justify the shooting immediately. It turned from a 911 domestic dispute to a "Violent domestic dispute". The officer say a man "strangling" a women from the window.......to finally saying he went inside and saw it. Strangling is NOT to be confused with choking someone, but JSO Hackney kept using that word. He also said the man broke into the apartment w/ 3 kids & woman, something that was not a fact when JSO chasing him. JSO had no idea if he knew the people (he did) or not. Hackney made it out to be JSO saving woman and kids. Something the officer did not know. Why is there only one officer chasing this dude? How did it get to a point where JSO had taser taken from him. Does taser operate more than once without adjustments. How did a domestic dispute turn so violent? The guy ran from police, but JSO had no idea what had happened, and why did he not just wait until getting an arrest warrant, as JSO saw people may be harmed. Not by the suspect, by JSO running through apartments like wild guys. JSO is out of control and the sheriff and others need to be accountable for these actions. No one is. JSO took these to level 1 violence.......they have to find a way to de escalate situations like this. Especially since this apartment complex has a distrust of JSO said the pastor of nearby church. JSO went full force, and shot a man while doing so.
If a suspect in a crime is pointing a taser at a police officer, that he procured after fighting the officer, I hope the police officer shoots him. I am tired of the excuses. Stop blaming the JSO and start asking why JSO is continually asked to intervene as the same locations time after time.
I'm gonna wait until facts arise before swiftly picking sides. Sadly many liberals are notoriously known for always siding with the 'victims' against the police, even if the 'victims' are very dangerous, about to kill someone etc; Especially if the story is painted as 'a racial issue'. The national media's race pimping is extremely irresponsible, and has already caused countless lives that aren't plastered all over the national news! Pimping the race card is very lucrative, and it's very real!
Quote from: I-10east on March 30, 2015, 11:00:42 AM
I'm gonna wait until facts arise before swiftly picking sides. Sadly many liberals are notoriously known for always siding with the 'victims' against the police, even if the 'victims' are very dangerous, about to kill someone etc; Especially if the story is painted as 'a racial issue'. The national media's race pimping is extremely irresponsible, and has already caused countless lives that aren't plastered all over the national news! Pimping the race card is very lucrative, and it's very real!
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Quote from: I-10east on March 30, 2015, 11:00:42 AM
I'm gonna wait until facts arise before swiftly picking sides. Sadly many liberals are notoriously known for always siding with the 'victims' against the police, even if the 'victims' are very dangerous, about to kill someone etc; Especially if the story is painted as 'a racial issue'. The national media's race pimping is extremely irresponsible, and has already caused countless lives that aren't plastered all over the national news! Pimping the race card is very lucrative, and it's very real!
Do you realize how close minded and simplistic this kind of thinking is? Those "liberals.....siding with the "victims'" ?? What are you talking about.
"Wait until the facts arise" ....where do you think you will facts rising? JSO presentation is all you will hear. YOu will hear JSO Hackney choosing his words carefully to not answer questions to to only justify JSO shooting a man. JSO has no problem waiting for facts...Hackney gave media conference mere hours after. NO talking to witness, victim, neighbors, or anyone except JSO's side. Hackney kept saying m,an was "strangling a woman" NO he wasn't...If he had his hands around her throat or face, he was "choking" her. Very bid difference and the two are not compatible.
Your judgementals al with thousands of people who have been brainwashed that all police are good, NO matter what. Probably all government is bad no matter what.
There are citizens who care about the city and abuses made by JSO, SAO and city of Jacksonville. It's time to open them up and let sunshine in.
Is there anyone on here who absolutely will agree with whatever President Obama states? Do you believe everything Obama says or everything the Democratic party says? If not, why would you give complete power to JSO and police to agree with every thing they say? Do you not believe JSO is made up od many different people, some have bias, while some do activities you wouldn't agree with.
Do you believe every single thing Mayor Brown says? Do you agree with every thing Mayor Brown has done? How can you have absolute belief in JSO ignoring any other government, state or city positions?
If you believe all Obama says, all Mayor Brown says, hen I totally understand why you have no doubt in JSO. I'm not sure trusting this positions 100% is proper way for citizens to be informed and ask the tough questions.
As citizens of USA, there is always a time to question authority. A primary reason we were born with brains and not pre programmed.
Quote from: Jax native on March 30, 2015, 04:16:49 PM
Is there anyone on here who absolutely will agree with whatever President Obama states? Do you believe everything Obama says or everything the Democratic party says? If not, why would you give complete power to JSO and police to agree with every thing they say? Do you not believe JSO is made up od many different people, some have bias, while some do activities you wouldn't agree with.
Do you believe every single thing Mayor Brown says? Do you agree with every thing Mayor Brown has done? How can you have absolute belief in JSO ignoring any other government, state or city positions?
If you believe all Obama says, all Mayor Brown says, hen I totally understand why you have no doubt in JSO. I'm not sure trusting this positions 100% is proper way for citizens to be informed and ask the tough questions.
As citizens of USA, there is always a time to question authority. A primary reason we were born with brains and not pre programmed.
I don't think anyone is arguing that we should not consider all the facts. Not sure what the point of all your ranting is.
Quote from: Jax native on March 30, 2015, 01:54:25 PM
Do you realize how close minded and simplistic this kind of thinking is? Those "liberals.....siding with the "victims'" ?? What are you talking about.
I'm sticking to what I said 100%. Notice that I didn't say ALL liberals. You are the one that's 'close minded' as you're brainwashed by whatever the left leaning media portrays. I like to think for myself, instead of being a spokesperson for the left.
Quote from: Jax native on March 30, 2015, 01:54:25 PM"Wait until the facts arise" ....where do you think you will facts rising? JSO presentation is all you will hear. YOu will hear JSO Hackney choosing his words carefully to not answer questions to to only justify JSO shooting a man. JSO has no problem waiting for facts...Hackney gave media conference mere hours after. NO talking to witness, victim, neighbors, or anyone except JSO's side. Hackney kept saying m,an was "strangling a woman" NO he wasn't...If he had his hands around her throat or face, he was "choking" her. Very bid difference and the two are not compatible.
Your judgementals al with thousands of people who have been brainwashed that all police are good, NO matter what. Probably all government is bad no matter what.
There are citizens who care about the city and abuses made by JSO, SAO and city of Jacksonville. It's time to open them up and let sunshine in.
Like I said, I'm not jumping to any final conclusions so early on with this incident. You act like you're Sherlock Holmes, and already have the case solved or something. I never said that the police are right 100% of the time, you put those words in my mouth.
Thanks for head up, Stephen, I'm out w/ talking to him. The fact is I did not say he was like was he is accusing me of saying. Similar to the thoughts of another poster who can rant and rave, but then wants every one to use factual links to comments. There ain't enough vodka in Jacksonville to get me to go there again!
^^^Like the 'accusations of me saying all cops are right no matter what'? Okay...I could go on and on about liberals continually putting blacks in a perpetual state of victimhood, and lowering standards like 'ebonics' and on and on. When someone can't continue a debate, I detect signs of weakness; That's okay because as an old school brotha, I live this ish everyday. I don't need no one's victimhood, I take one-hundred percent full responsibility for all my actions!!!
The quote from the neighbor who called 911 at Cleveland Arms
QuoteThere is a man, he is irate. There are three children outside the steps. I swear he is beating the s#*t out of this girl. I don't know him but I am calling and you all need to come out here. Yeah, he done put the kids outside and he beating her.
You don't even have to believe the cops if you don't want to, just listen to the neighbor! Yeah, it doesn't sound like Mr Devanta Jones is exactly an upstanding citizen that some is trying to portray. IMO, I bet that woman is used to getting beat on, and she decided to protect him; That is very common in the hood. It's looking like this supposed 'racially motivated officer shooting case' has as much weight as a hummingbird feather.
http://www.news4jax.com/news/man-shot-by-officer-charged-with-battery-burglary/32085610
from facebook:
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last night's protest
Gosh, when the facts do not fit with your narrative it sure gets quiet here.
Ed, what facts do you want? Also I was NOT quiet, I just wasn't here. I was pretty loud where I was.
I'm not sure anyone will ever know the "facts". it is definitely a he said/she said/he said situation.
My thoughts as it seems I need to clarify what is my thoughts so people somehow would think, that I believe my thoughts are have a link.
If you read the article in jacksonville TU today.....
"a neighbor told police the man put the three children outside and she was afraid for the woman.
"I swear he is beating the hell out of this girl," '
The above quotes are the reason, I don't trust JSO or their action that day. JSO responds to a call from subject then a neighbor called "I swear he is beating the hell out of the girl"..... JSO ran in only because of what a person who wasn't there said to them. Upon seeing cops in their house, the suspect cooperated then stopped "complying". Why did cops tell him you are under arrest the first time? No one but the first officer said he could see "strangling from outside". NO one else says this. Including victim. Unlike what JSO Hackney said and tries to say;
" "It's not surprising that we have victims of domestic battery change their story and do things to protect their batterers as sad as that is, unfortunately," Hackney said."
JSO Hackney is putting blame on her. The report says "victim' says that did NOT happen. Why is JSO HAckney pretending she is just changing story now, when her story was different from JSO in the beginning??
JSO and Hackney are trying too hard to justify this shooting and putting words in people's mouth doesn't help.
It is obvious, JSO went to Cleveland Apts. with the prior understanding they have had "problems' before. JSO escalate a situation that could have been different from JSO actions to trying to arrest immediately. Suspect sounds like he was ready to talk w/ JSO abut what was happening until JSO said "You're under arrest". JSO was trying to arrest him on what a neighbor said, and that's illegal.
I'll talk Ed if you want to. Gladly
I - 10? Who is the neighbor who called? So you know her? Is she an upstanding woman you put all your trust in. Calling 911 and talking,d does not make what you say factual. It's just what you are saying. If your argument is 911 caller has the facts, of exactly what is going on upstairs is flawed.
A person calling 911 and stating what she hears upstairs is NOT probable cause to arrest him. That is why i am so weary of JSO's statements. First JSO Hackney said she was "strangled" which is NOT a fact. From there it gets shady what really happened. Hackney saying GF is going back on her statements are lies. as she did not make the statement JSO is pretending to say what happened. .
Also, because Ed asked and I decided to talk with you again, Please tell me more about "That is very common in the hood". I'm ready for how much you know about what is or isn't common in the "hood"? Link please?
On this link:
JSO's official responses. one of the 911 calls. interview with the woman involved in the domestic incident. Interview with the brother of Devante Jones and a couple other video reports.
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2015-mar-jso-shooting-in-cleveland-arms-apts-related-news-media
If the person who was shot did in fact run, then attack an officer, take his taser, and point it back at the police, then the shots he received are of no fault but his own.
Quote from: sheclown on March 31, 2015, 08:39:44 AM
from facebook:
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last night's protest
Did these citizens already have their signs printed and where just waiting for an incident in order to pull them out? I wonder if they are going to organize a march to occur during One Spark? Seems like that would be the most opportunistic time to get in front of the camera.
Quote from: Jax native on March 31, 2015, 12:48:05 PM
I - 10? Who is the neighbor who called? So you know her? Is she an upstanding woman you put all your trust in.
I hope that you're kidding. Wow, that's comical.
Quote from: Jax native on March 31, 2015, 12:40:15 PM
Ed, what facts do you want? Also I was NOT quiet, I just wasn't here. I was pretty loud where I was.
I'm not sure anyone will ever know the "facts". it is definitely a he said/she said/he said situation.
My thoughts as it seems I need to clarify what is my thoughts so people somehow would think, that I believe my thoughts are have a link.
If you read the article in jacksonville TU today.....
"a neighbor told police the man put the three children outside and she was afraid for the woman.
"I swear he is beating the hell out of this girl," '
The above quotes are the reason, I don't trust JSO or their action that day. JSO responds to a call from subject then a neighbor called "I swear he is beating the hell out of the girl"..... JSO ran in only because of what a person who wasn't there said to them. Upon seeing cops in their house, the suspect cooperated then stopped "complying". Why did cops tell him you are under arrest the first time? No one but the first officer said he could see "strangling from outside". NO one else says this. Including victim. Unlike what JSO Hackney said and tries to say;
" "It's not surprising that we have victims of domestic battery change their story and do things to protect their batterers as sad as that is, unfortunately," Hackney said."
JSO Hackney is putting blame on her. The report says "victim' says that did NOT happen. Why is JSO HAckney pretending she is just changing story now, when her story was different from JSO in the beginning??
JSO and Hackney are trying too hard to justify this shooting and putting words in people's mouth doesn't help.
It is obvious, JSO went to Cleveland Apts. with the prior understanding they have had "problems' before. JSO escalate a situation that could have been different from JSO actions to trying to arrest immediately. Suspect sounds like he was ready to talk w/ JSO abut what was happening until JSO said "You're under arrest". JSO was trying to arrest him on what a neighbor said, and that's illegal.
I'll talk Ed if you want to. Gladly
Perhaps you should glady talk to Bill.
I-10. That's all you have? "Thats comical". This is how you respond to comments; criticize them, draw irrational decision about what you want to believe, then challenge anyone who disagrees.
But, the most important part: is you have no facts, no information, no knowledge of what is going on, no previous experience, and seem to rattle off just obtuse comments that make no sense.
Please explain what is so "comical"? It would be awesome if you took your own advice, and provided links to your statements, but just give me some what you think? Why so comical? An unarmed man was shot at 6 times by JSO and was hit w/ 4. Why? Why did JSO escalate this situation so fast and violently?
Quote from: edjax on March 31, 2015, 04:03:47 PM
Quote from: Jax native on March 31, 2015, 12:40:15 PM
Ed, what facts do you want? Also I was NOT quiet, I just wasn't here. I was pretty loud where I was.
I'm not sure anyone will ever know the "facts". it is definitely a he said/she said/he said situation.
My thoughts as it seems I need to clarify what is my thoughts so people somehow would think, that I believe my thoughts are have a link.
If you read the article in jacksonville TU today.....
"a neighbor told police the man put the three children outside and she was afraid for the woman.
"I swear he is beating the hell out of this girl," '
The above quotes are the reason, I don't trust JSO or their action that day. JSO responds to a call from subject then a neighbor called "I swear he is beating the hell out of the girl"..... JSO ran in only because of what a person who wasn't there said to them. Upon seeing cops in their house, the suspect cooperated then stopped "complying". Why did cops tell him you are under arrest the first time? No one but the first officer said he could see "strangling from outside". NO one else says this. Including victim. Unlike what JSO Hackney said and tries to say;
" "It's not surprising that we have victims of domestic battery change their story and do things to protect their batterers as sad as that is, unfortunately," Hackney said."
JSO Hackney is putting blame on her. The report says "victim' says that did NOT happen. Why is JSO HAckney pretending she is just changing story now, when her story was different from JSO in the beginning??
JSO and Hackney are trying too hard to justify this shooting and putting words in people's mouth doesn't help.
It is obvious, JSO went to Cleveland Apts. with the prior understanding they have had "problems' before. JSO escalate a situation that could have been different from JSO actions to trying to arrest immediately. Suspect sounds like he was ready to talk w/ JSO abut what was happening until JSO said "You're under arrest". JSO was trying to arrest him on what a neighbor said, and that's illegal.
I'll talk Ed if you want to. Gladly
Perhaps you should glady talk to Bill.
Edjax. you are absolutely correct and my mistake on addressing you to a comment meant to Bill who asked why we (me) were quiet. My bad on seeing wrong name. Thanks for helping me clarify.
Very sorry to bring you in. Hope you will accept apology.
Quote from: WarDamJagFan on March 31, 2015, 02:16:01 PM
If the person who was shot did in fact run, then attack an officer, take his taser, and point it back at the police, then the shots he received are of no fault but his own.
Very correct point. Unfortunately, it looks like the scenario JSO ir putting out does not include many facts.
Quote from: Jax native on March 31, 2015, 05:23:57 PM
I-10. That's all you have? "Thats comical". This is how you respond to comments; criticize them, draw irrational decision about what you want to believe, then challenge anyone who disagrees.
But, the most important part: is you have no facts, no information, no knowledge of what is going on, no previous experience, and seem to rattle off just obtuse comments that make no sense.
Please explain what is so "comical"? It would be awesome if you took your own advice, and provided links to your statements, but just give me some what you think? Why so comical? An unarmed man was shot at 6 times by JSO and was hit w/ 4. Why? Why did JSO escalate this situation so fast and violently?
Two different neighbors called in the battering of a woman; You dismissed them like they would have a reason to lie... You're talking about 'my previous experience', you gotta be kidding yourself. What hoods you lived in (just asking)? I lived in Bedford Stuyvesant in Brooklyn, NY in the 80's; In 1986, we (Mom, sister and I) had to leave NY for Jax because of my abusive father; I'm not trying to turn this all sentimental, but I take domestic violence very seriously!
Coming to Jax, we lived in old Durkeeville, and old Brentwood Apts over a good length of time. I got robbed in Brentwood; Have you ever been robbed gunpoint before? Why would you be so bold with that 'experience' reply concerning someone you don't even know? I also know that many women in the hood like rough guys. Do you think I'm just saying this just to be said? Clearly your lack of understanding of what's going on in the black community is apparent.
Quote from: Jax native on March 31, 2015, 05:30:42 PM
Quote from: WarDamJagFan on March 31, 2015, 02:16:01 PM
If the person who was shot did in fact run, then attack an officer, take his taser, and point it back at the police, then the shots he received are of no fault but his own.
Very correct point. Unfortunately, it looks like the scenario JSO ir putting out does not include many facts.
Really? You lost me there.
Ed, Sorry to loss you. Just read the comments. If I've truly "lost ' you, then it's ok to ask questions.
Quote from: I-10east on March 31, 2015, 06:07:50 PM
Quote from: Jax native on March 31, 2015, 05:23:57 PM
I-10. That's all you have? "Thats comical". This is how you respond to comments; criticize them, draw irrational decision about what you want to believe, then challenge anyone who disagrees.
But, the most important part: is you have no facts, no information, no knowledge of what is going on, no previous experience, and seem to rattle off just obtuse comments that make no sense.
Please explain what is so "comical"? It would be awesome if you took your own advice, and provided links to your statements, but just give me some what you think? Why so comical? An unarmed man was shot at 6 times by JSO and was hit w/ 4. Why? Why did JSO escalate this situation so fast and violently?
"Two different neighbors called in the battering of a woman"; You dismissed them like they would have a reason to lie... You're talking about 'my previous experience', you gotta be kidding yourself. What hoods you lived in (just asking)? I lived in Bedford Stuyvesant in Brooklyn, NY in the 80's; In 1986, we (Mom, sister and I) had to leave NY for Jax because of my abusive father; I'm not trying to turn this all sentimental, but I take domestic violence very seriously!
Coming to Jax, we lived in old Durkeeville, and old Brentwood Apts over a good length of time. I got robbed in Brentwood; Have you ever been robbed gunpoint before? Why would you be so bold with that 'experience' reply concerning someone you don't even know? I also know that many women in the hood like rough guys. Do you think I'm just saying this just to be said? Clearly your lack of understanding of what's going on in the black community is apparent.
I-10. please send me links to " "Two different neighbors called in the battering of a woman". I did NOT dismiss the one neighbor, I just asked why she is the only you believe when she wasn't there.
I worked in State Attorney's office over 6 years developing THE FIRST DOMESTIC VIOLENCE VICTIM ADVOCATE program, ever in Jacksonville. I know Jacksonville and won't debate you about your own experience, as I won't tell you mine as a domestic violence victim.
I have a very clear understanding of what is going on. I also have a very clear understanding of laws, JSO protocol, elements need for arrest, Florida Statues on arrest on misdemeanors and Statues on Domestic Violence.
This ain't my first rodeo with JSO abuse. You still are talking imaginary scenarios of what happened. I'm telling you laws and what facts are.
You want to rage for a domestic violence victim. here you go, http://www.salon.com/2015/03/31/wife_beating_judge_loses_it_why_mark_fullers_new_defense_is_beyond_the_pale/
White, GOP appointed, Federal Judge beats his wife up....read his explanation.
I have no big Jones to argue with you guys, but I do have a passionate goal of preventing; JSO not abusing people, JSO not making false arrests, JSO not giving people their Constitutional rights, and JSO systematically abusing and discarding a justice system they swore to protect.
I am a little disturbed by the way the JSOPIO Twitter account was live tweeting the shooting on Sunday morning like they were a teenager at a Bieber concert. The tweeter was even referring followers of the account to their facebook page like it was a marketing tool, very strange. Then on the day of the protest (which I was at) there was nothing but comments from the press conference which I felt was very combative and confrontational.
I can say that I am impressed how JSO handled the protest, they were 100% hands off and did not show up like storm troopers with an MRAP like in other situations I have been in.
I was a little annoyed that they shut Cleveland Rd down not allowing anyone in. One could make a public safety argument because the marchers were on the road but I would say it probably had something to do with keeping the protest small.
I take no position on the shooting at this point because I think there are still facts to be gathered but I think people need to remember that these protests are about more than the individuals who spark them. The protests are about minorities in poor neighborhoods being discriminated against and abused by the police. We didnt get to this point because of some questionable shootings and the strangling of Eric Garner, we got here over a long history of institutionalized racism.
Quote from: JC on March 31, 2015, 10:35:39 PM
I am a little disturbed by the way the JSOPIO Twitter account was live tweeting the shooting on Sunday morning like they were a teenager at a Bieber concert. The tweeter was even referring followers of the account to their facebook page like it was a marketing tool, very strange. Then on the day of the protest (which I was at) there was nothing but comments from the press conference which I felt was very combative and confrontational.
I can say that I am impressed how JSO handled the protest, they were 100% hands off and did not show up like storm troopers with an MRAP like in other situations I have been in.
I was a little annoyed that they shut Cleveland Rd down not allowing anyone in. One could make a public safety argument because the marchers were on the road but I would say it probably had something to do with keeping the protest small.
I take no position on the shooting at this point because I think there are still facts to be gathered but I think people need to remember that these protests are about more than the individuals who spark them. The protests are about minorities in poor neighborhoods being discriminated against and abused by the police. We didnt get to this point because of some questionable shootings and the strangling of Eric Garner, we got here over a long history of institutionalized racism.
I agree with many of your observations. The protests to me seem to be more about certain individuals getting their name out or face on TV. That is the shame. I also don't believe the "protests" had anything to do with this certain situation other then a reason to protest cops against black people, which is a shame because the individuals leave a nasty taste on people who watch this.
There is a fact of overzealous , testosterone filled JSO males who take their badge to a completely different level, which ultimately leads the public to the reasonable and factual knowledge of not trusting JSO. Their image is somewhat shot in black community and many white communities. Sheriff Rutherford has baby sat this behaviour and ignored severe problems in his entire department. It is a systematic inability in JSO to serve as they are sworn.
I find it appalling and absolutely disgusting Rutherford is sitting down and endorsing the status quo while putting his fingers in his ears yelling ..whathhahhawhahah hahahwhahathwahhh... over and over for years. And, he thinks he is qualified for a representative political spot?? No way.