http://www.sportsdaynow.com/jacksonville-one-of-14-cities-bidding-on-title-game/ (http://www.sportsdaynow.com/jacksonville-one-of-14-cities-bidding-on-title-game/)
QuoteDuring the interview, Catlett added more news of interest to college football fans: "I think you're going to see, very soon now, a major announcement on a neutral site game that will take place in 2016."
Catlett said this game would not be a season opening "kickoff" game. This has long been rumored as a matchup between Notre Dame and Navy.
Finally, Catlett indicated FSU may soon be on its way to Jacksonville.
"I think with everything that's going on at FSU and Jimbo (Fisher) being willing to now go play some really good teams, I think you can probably see us host a neutral site game with FSU in it probably '18-'19," he said.
That would be great. 2016 ND/Navy is listed as Nov 5 on the schedule, which would be the weekend after Fla/Ga.
The game will be on national TV and Notre Dame is always a marquee draw. Navy makes sense because of the military presence in the area.
Quote from: Murder_me_Rachel on March 05, 2015, 01:53:35 PM
Quote from: copperfiend on March 05, 2015, 01:13:31 PM
That would be great. 2016 ND/Navy is listed as Nov 5 on the schedule, which would be the weekend after Fla/Ga.
Is Notre Dam/Navy really a "major" college football game? I love CFB and will gladly attend games where I have no allegiance when the match up is good. Navy/ND does less than zero for me.
It's been played for 87 straight years and sells out in South Bend, Baltimore, Philadelphia and Giants Stadium... I'd consider that a major neutral site game in that it will bring considerable money into the local economy.
The FSU/Alabama game a few years back featured two mediocre and unranked teams and was the 2nd largest crowd in the stadium's history. Bars, restaurants and hotels from the beaches to downtown were filled that weekend.
Notre Dame-Navy is usually a huge attendance draw due to the historic nature of the game. It's usually not very competitive but in recent years Navy has been known to win. In a Navy town like Jax it would probably sell out.
Quote from: Murder_me_Rachel on March 05, 2015, 01:53:35 PM
Quote from: copperfiend on March 05, 2015, 01:13:31 PM
That would be great. 2016 ND/Navy is listed as Nov 5 on the schedule, which would be the weekend after Fla/Ga.
Is Notre Dam/Navy really a "major" college football game? I love CFB and will gladly attend games where I have no allegiance when the match up is good. Navy/ND does less than zero for me.
Maybe they'll have bacon-themed concessions.
November 5th would seem to fall about the time that Jacksonville does the Week of Valor. This seems like a perfect opportunity to promote the importance of the military in Jacksonville. Two weekends in a row with huge tourist draws would be wonderful for our local economy.
Rick Catlett also says that Jax. will host the College Football National Championship sometime in the next 5 years. I seriously doubt it.
ND/Navy is a huge draw wherever it's played. Add that with the fact that Jax is a huge Navy town, and you're lookin at a sellout for sure.
Quote from: tufsu1 on March 05, 2015, 09:40:28 PM
Rick Catlett also says that Jax. will host the College Football National Championship sometime in the next 5 years. I seriously doubt it.
Quick, someone get Carnival on the phone!
Bahahah
Looking like FSU will play Auburn in 2019
http://www.tomahawknation.com/2015/3/20/8265161/florida-state-game-scheduling-auburn-alabama-atlanta-jacksonville
Would love to see the ACC Championship game returned to the Stadium. Charlotte in December is just sad.
*Any* Notre Dame game in this city is a mega-event. I don't understand why anyone even questions this. That game could be an absolute huge get for the city, as would an FSU-Auburn game.
Quote from: MusicMan on March 20, 2015, 09:11:02 PM
Would love to see the ACC Championship game returned to the Stadium. Charlotte in December is just sad.
the difference is Charlotte is central to the conference. I went to all 3 title games here, and 2 in Charlotte....and to be blunt, Charlotte puts on a better overall event. Having the stadium within walking distance of downtown hotels, restaurants, and bars is a huge plus.
Quote from: tufsu1 on March 20, 2015, 10:02:02 PM
Quote from: MusicMan on March 20, 2015, 09:11:02 PM
Would love to see the ACC Championship game returned to the Stadium. Charlotte in December is just sad.
the difference is Charlotte is central to the conference. I went to all 3 title games here, and 2 in Charlotte....and to be blunt, Charlotte puts on a better overall event. Having the stadium within walking distance of downtown hotels, restaurants, and bars is a huge plus.
Hmmmm. Maybe if we had some huge riverfront development between the stadium and the Hyatt. Nah. That'll never happen. ;-)
Auburn's AD stated discussions with FSU "crumbled" in recent weeks. Guess we can scratch that game off the sports calendar.
http://www.al.com/auburnfootball/index.ssf/2015/05/big-name_opponents_reluctant_t.html
Alabama-Florida State to play in 2017....in Atlanta.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/13119261/alabama-crimson-tide-florida-state-seminoles-finalizing-deal-2017-game
Meanwhile, we wait.
MISS.
Quote from: copperfiend on June 22, 2015, 06:13:35 AM
Alabama-Florida State to play in 2017....in Atlanta.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/13119261/alabama-crimson-tide-florida-state-seminoles-finalizing-deal-2017-game
Meanwhile, we wait.
Just to add, this game is in the NEW Atlanta Stadium, not in the Georgia Dome.
More box revenue, more ad revenue, to prop up the package.
Catlett is a joke
Why the hate if it is for this specific issue? Catlett originally said that they are looking for a game next year and reports were Notre Dame-Navy which is still "Site TBD" on the ND website. That would be a great game for Jax.
He also talked about a neutral site game in 2018 or 2019 as well. Those seasons are still in an immense amount of flux. As for FSU and Bama, the kickoff games in ATL are a hit with a big payday (same in Dallas). ESPN is partnering to do one in Orlando now as well so there is still competition at the moment. UF is getting paid 6 million to play Michigan in 2017. I think in 2018 or 2019, FSU will play in Jax if Thrasher is President. I think you will see UF play in Orlando soon as well.
The big pull of Jax is the fertile recruiting ground found in Northeast Florida. Look for FSU to play an SEC or Big Ten squad in Jax who want to show off for recruits. Florida will end up playing a Big Ten (maybe OSU or Wisconsin) or Miami in Orlando soon when the payday is right.
Quote from: For_F-L-O-R-I-D-A on June 23, 2015, 12:30:45 AM
Why the hate if it is for this specific issue? Catlett originally said that they are looking for a game next year and reports were Notre Dame-Navy which is still "Site TBD" on the ND website. That would be a great game for Jax.
He also talked about a neutral site game in 2018 or 2019 as well. Those seasons are still in an immense amount of flux. As for FSU and Bama, the kickoff games in ATL are a hit with a big payday (same in Dallas). ESPN is partnering to do one in Orlando now as well so there is still competition at the moment. UF is getting paid 6 million to play Michigan in 2017. I think in 2018 or 2019, FSU will play in Jax if Thrasher is President. I think you will see UF play in Orlando soon as well.
The big pull of Jax is the fertile recruiting ground found in Northeast Florida. Look for FSU to play an SEC or Big Ten squad in Jax who want to show off for recruits. Florida will end up playing a Big Ten (maybe OSU or Wisconsin) or Miami in Orlando soon when the payday is right.
I don't think it is "hate". I think people just see a trend here.
Catlett and Verlander talk a good game but so rarely deliver.
We are shut out of the college football playoff. Just like Jax was shut out of the Bowl Coalition, BCS, etc. under Catlett.
They have been talking about neutral site college games and we see places like Atlanta, Dallas, Houston get them and Jax gets nothing.
The biggest feathers in their cap recently are the SEC women's tournament and a curling championship.
The decline of the Gator Bowl under Catlett is particularly egregious. At one point it was the top "second tier" bowl game that regularly featured Top 15 teams and was on network TV. Now we're relegated to hoping UF or UGa go 6-6 just to sell tickets.
Whoever is in charge of booking a Major college football game at EVERBANK Field has "dropped the ball", so to speak.
Also, when the UF Gators open the 2017 season against Michigan in Texas, it will be an historic milestone:
"That's right. Florida has not played an out-of-conference game (during the regular season) outside the state of Florida since 1991 and hasn't won one since 1989.
Let's put that into perspective: the last time the Gators scheduled, and beat, a non-conference opponent outside of Florida, the average price of gas in the US, per Energy.gov, was $0.90 a gallon. The number one song, according to Billboard.com, was Milli Vanilli's "Girl I'm Gonna Miss You." And George Bush was still settling into the White House -- the first George Bush.
In that same span of time, Florida State has played outside its home state 22 times against OOC teams, 10 of which were ranked (10 came prior to 1992, when FSU began its ACC football affiliation). Still, the 'Noles have dominated that competition outside of the Sunshine State, amassing a record of 18-4 in such games since 1989.
Every one of those games came against a team now in a Power 5 conference with the exception of Tulane, two contests with BYU in which the Cougars were ranked each time, and a pair of showdowns with Notre Dame, the first of which, of course, earned the billing of "The Game of the Century."
Of those 22 games, 14 came against teams that played in a bowl that year. Florida's last such contest, a loss at Syracuse, came at the hands of an Orange squad that the 'Noles beat 46-14.
The last OOC game UF won came against a 2-9 Memphis State team (all the way back when it was still called Memphis State, as opposed to Memphis).
The last non-conference regular-season win for the Gators outside the state of Florida against a team that finished with a winning record? Buckle up, because this one took some digging. It occurred against a 5-3-1 North Carolina State team in Raleigh.
In 1947." Quote courtesy of David Visser.
In other words the Gators will have a completely new experience traveling during the season to play a power 5 team on the road, outside of Florida, although this is a neutral site.
Quote from: MusicMan on June 23, 2015, 11:04:39 AM
Whoever is in charge of booking a Major college football game at EVERBANK Field has "dropped the ball", so to speak.
Also, when the UF Gators open the 2017 season against Michigan in Texas, it will be an historic milestone:
"That's right. Florida has not played an out-of-conference game (during the regular season) outside the state of Florida since 1991 and hasn't won one since 1989.
Let's put that into perspective: the last time the Gators scheduled, and beat, a non-conference opponent outside of Florida, the average price of gas in the US, per Energy.gov, was $0.90 a gallon. The number one song, according to Billboard.com, was Milli Vanilli's "Girl I'm Gonna Miss You." And George Bush was still settling into the White House -- the first George Bush.
In that same span of time, Florida State has played outside its home state 22 times against OOC teams, 10 of which were ranked (10 came prior to 1992, when FSU began its ACC football affiliation). Still, the 'Noles have dominated that competition outside of the Sunshine State, amassing a record of 18-4 in such games since 1989.
Every one of those games came against a team now in a Power 5 conference with the exception of Tulane, two contests with BYU in which the Cougars were ranked each time, and a pair of showdowns with Notre Dame, the first of which, of course, earned the billing of "The Game of the Century."
Of those 22 games, 14 came against teams that played in a bowl that year. Florida's last such contest, a loss at Syracuse, came at the hands of an Orange squad that the 'Noles beat 46-14.
The last OOC game UF won came against a 2-9 Memphis State team (all the way back when it was still called Memphis State, as opposed to Memphis).
The last non-conference regular-season win for the Gators outside the state of Florida against a team that finished with a winning record? Buckle up, because this one took some digging. It occurred against a 5-3-1 North Carolina State team in Raleigh.
In 1947." Quote courtesy of David Visser.
In other words the Gators will have a completely new experience traveling during the season to play a power 5 team on the road, outside of Florida, although this is a neutral site.
That's what happens during an Alliance Bowl and BCS era when you already have one of the toughest schedules in college football. You can't win championships playing one top 20 ranked team in a whole season like you all did in 2013. You personally have a serious inferiority complex with UF though. I would encourage you to talk it out with a friend or family member.
Again, back to just bringing a neutral college football game, they remain on schedule to do that but it costs a lot of money. Schools expect a huge payday.
As for the Gator Bowl, it is sad to see it called the Taxslayer Bowl but it was never getting into the Playoff Rotation. I do think Jax can get a NCG down the line though.
Quote from: MusicMan on June 23, 2015, 11:04:39 AM
Whoever is in charge of booking a Major college football game at EVERBANK Field has "dropped the ball", so to speak.
Also, when the UF Gators open the 2017 season against Michigan in Texas, it will be an historic milestone:
"That's right. Florida has not played an out-of-conference game (during the regular season) outside the state of Florida since 1991 and hasn't won one since 1989.
Let's put that into perspective: the last time the Gators scheduled, and beat, a non-conference opponent outside of Florida, the average price of gas in the US, per Energy.gov, was $0.90 a gallon. The number one song, according to Billboard.com, was Milli Vanilli's "Girl I'm Gonna Miss You." And George Bush was still settling into the White House -- the first George Bush.
In that same span of time, Florida State has played outside its home state 22 times against OOC teams, 10 of which were ranked (10 came prior to 1992, when FSU began its ACC football affiliation). Still, the 'Noles have dominated that competition outside of the Sunshine State, amassing a record of 18-4 in such games since 1989.
Every one of those games came against a team now in a Power 5 conference with the exception of Tulane, two contests with BYU in which the Cougars were ranked each time, and a pair of showdowns with Notre Dame, the first of which, of course, earned the billing of "The Game of the Century."
Of those 22 games, 14 came against teams that played in a bowl that year. Florida's last such contest, a loss at Syracuse, came at the hands of an Orange squad that the 'Noles beat 46-14.
The last OOC game UF won came against a 2-9 Memphis State team (all the way back when it was still called Memphis State, as opposed to Memphis).
The last non-conference regular-season win for the Gators outside the state of Florida against a team that finished with a winning record? Buckle up, because this one took some digging. It occurred against a 5-3-1 North Carolina State team in Raleigh.
In 1947." Quote courtesy of David Visser.
In other words the Gators will have a completely new experience traveling during the season to play a power 5 team on the road, outside of Florida, although this is a neutral site.
I do love the FSU fans who trash the Gators' out of conference schedule. We play you, don't we? It's not our fault the panhandle is technically still Florida.
But back to what we're actually talking about... I think it's hard to heap all the blame for the decline of the Gator Bowl, Jacksonville's struggle to land big-time neutral-site games and playoff games on Rick Catlett. The landscape of college football over the course of the past 20 years has not made it very beneficial for any team to give up a guaranteed win (insert Ga. Southern joke here) for a neutral-site showdown between CFB bluebloods. There's no financial reward, no recruiting reward (all the games are on TV now, you don't have to play in a recruit's hometown for him to know you exist anymore), and no reward in the BCS standings. That last part is changing now thanks to the playoff, but we're in Year One of that. Add to that the fact that Jacksonville has to compete with Atlanta, Dallas, New Orleans, Los Angeles and Miami for top-tier games, not to mention Tampa, Orlando, Charlotte and Nashville... it's HARD to get these games.
In reality, Catlett should get a lot of credit for even keeping FL-GA here. There have been very serious talks about making that game a home-and-home on both sides thanks to the senseless deaths that have come as a result of the insane atmosphere that game brings out. He should probably also receive a lot of credit for landing the ACC Championship game... it's not his fault Bobby Bowden was asleep at the wheel and Wake Freaking Forest (4,000 undergrad enrollment) made it to the championship game.
If we get Notre Dame and Navy, rest assured that will be a huge deal from a sales standpoint, visitors standpoint, and proving grounds for another big-time game standpoint.
Exactly. I think UGA winning a few games has helped that cause but both UF and UGA do not get a pay day from the organizers and lose money as a result. Now, the only thing keeping the game here is tradition which has a strong bond that I never hope to see end.
However, again, I think you will see FSU play here if Thrasher continues as President just because he is a politician and wants to bring business and make people happy around here in Northeast Florida where he is from. UF and UGA won't play a second game in Jax. You really need FSU, a South Carolina or Alabama school (someone with a large and close fanbase) to be the anchor for the game and play whoever else would be interested.
I have said it before, but the GBA should create a "Gator Bowl Jamboree" or something similar for the high schools. Make it an invitation only event for select top schools nationwide.
Instead of constantly going for the one time big fish, how about trying some smaller fish that is more repeatable?
Have it for each sport, kind of like what Cancun, Hawaii and NIT do for basketball.
All of these fill hotel rooms. Instead of feast and famine over these big events, stay on a steady diet of smaller events that keep the people coming and going.
That is a good idea. Maybe look at trying to secure a piece of the D1-FCS with something that gets a lot of attention or excitement.
I think a prime candidate for trying to get a repeat offender could be Clemson-Miami when they play. Miami struggles to fill Sun Life and Jacksonville is right in between the two schools. Currently with the schedule the way it is, they don't play home and home series anymore. Just one game in a 6 year period on a rotation.
Quote from: spuwho on June 23, 2015, 03:34:06 PM
I have said it before, but the GBA should create a "Gator Bowl Jamboree" or something similar for the high schools. Make it an invitation only event for select top schools nationwide.
Instead of constantly going for the one time big fish, how about trying some smaller fish that is more repeatable?
Have it for each sport, kind of like what Cancun, Hawaii and NIT do for basketball.
All of these fill hotel rooms. Instead of feast and famine over these big events, stay on a steady diet of smaller events that keep the people coming and going.
As someone who's played a highschool game on ESPN, I think that's an excellent idea. It was seriously one of the most enjoyable and memorable moments of my life. There's already the US Army All American game, where the top highschool athletes from around the country play eachother. Maybe Jacksonville could host a Navy version, or a version that pitted the best 3A vs 3A, 4A vs 4A, etc against each other. You could make a weekend out of it and build up to the 5A teams.
Yes a very good idea. And one with potential growth.
Quote from For FLORIDA :"That's what happens during an Alliance Bowl and BCS era when you already have one of the toughest schedules in college football. You can't win championships playing one top 20 ranked team in a whole season like you all did in 2013. You personally have a serious inferiority complex with UF though. I would encourage you to talk it out with a friend or family member."
Your reply is filled with errors, not a surprise. In 2013 Florida State finished #1 and had beaten the following teams who finished in the Top 25, Auburn(#2), Clemson (#8), and Duke (#23). Maryland was ranked prior to FSU beating them 63-0. As was Miami, #7 before we smacked them around 41-14. If you're truly interested in results from 2013, you will remember the Gators lost 7 straight to end the season
and that included the unforgettable effort against Georgia Southern. Even with that in the books, Jeremy Foley decided to retain Will Muschamp for another season.
Regarding the inferiority complex, you're the one on this blog bragging about Gymnastics Championships, not me.
"If your truly interested in results from 2013..."
*you're
Auburn will indeed be playing a high profile neutral site game in 2019
But it'll be in Dallas vs. Oregon
http://oregon.247sports.com/Bolt/Oregon-will-play-Auburn-in-2019-37999002?Notification.Success=Your+Bolt+has+been+successfully+created
So in the next 3 years FSU will play at least 1 game in every major city in Florida, except of course Jacksonville.
I don't even know how this is possible. The last time I saw FSU play in Jacksonville it was against Alabama to a record sized crowd at Everbank. How can the city not get a high profile college game? It doesn't add up. Somebody must be asleep at the desk or something.
Quote from: MusicMan on June 24, 2015, 09:02:05 AM
Yes a very good idea. And one with potential growth.
Quote from For FLORIDA :"That's what happens during an Alliance Bowl and BCS era when you already have one of the toughest schedules in college football. You can't win championships playing one top 20 ranked team in a whole season like you all did in 2013. You personally have a serious inferiority complex with UF though. I would encourage you to talk it out with a friend or family member."
Your reply is filled with errors, not a surprise. In 2013 Florida State finished #1 and had beaten the following teams who finished in the Top 25, Auburn(#2), Clemson (#8), and Duke (#23). Maryland was ranked prior to FSU beating them 63-0. As was Miami, #7 before we smacked them around 41-14. If you're truly interested in results from 2013, you will remember the Gators lost 7 straight to end the season
and that included the unforgettable effort against Georgia Southern. Even with that in the books, Jeremy Foley decided to retain Will Muschamp for another season.
Regarding the inferiority complex, you're the one on this blog bragging about Gymnastics Championships, not me.
So during the regular season you played #8 Clemson and a bad #23 Duke team? Awesome. I guess that makes me right that you played ONE top 20 team ALL YEAR leading up to the NC. Florida was bad, so one of the only games you usually have to actually gear up for did not materialize that year. All of that aside, you really do need to relax. Attacking Florida's schedule is a dumb move since Florida has been ranked in the top 15 and #1 in each year they won a title. In FSU's NC year, you all had the 57th SOS in CFB according to the NCAA. That is the lowest for a national champion in the BCS era. (http://stats.ncaa.org/rankings/ranking_summary# - check miscellaneous reports)
I actually applaud FSU for improving their schedule to compete with some of the best since the playoff era seems to require that. Sadly for them, Miami has been down for a decade. Florida has only been ranked once (in 2012 when they lost) since 2010 in their game. Clemson is really the only consistently high ranked program they have played year in and year out. They are doing a great job of adding great opponents.
As for FSU playing in Jacksonville, if John Thrasher promised it, I trust him to come through on it. He is the President.
fsujax, it is all about MONEY. Orlando/ESPN are paying FSU $3.5 million to play in Orlando. Jerry Jones gave UF $6 million to play in Dallas. It is all about the money and it is tough to compete with Orlando/Disney and Jerry Jones/Dallas.
Quote from: FSBA on June 30, 2015, 04:42:53 PM
So in the next 3 years FSU will play at least 1 game in every major city in Florida, except of course Jacksonville.
well to be fair, only one of those games is a neutral site game. USF and UM are road games.
FSU should be dying to play in Jax. since their record here is practically perfect....of course maybe that explains why opponents aren't as interested in playing the Noles here.
Quote from: tufsu1 on June 30, 2015, 09:45:25 PM
Quote from: FSBA on June 30, 2015, 04:42:53 PM
So in the next 3 years FSU will play at least 1 game in every major city in Florida, except of course Jacksonville.
well to be fair, only one of those games is a neutral site game. USF and UM are road games.
FSU should be dying to play in Jax. since their record here is practically perfect....of course maybe that explains why opponents aren't as interested in playing the Noles here.
Exactly.
FSU can play any of its home games here if they wanted. They want money though from the city or Gator Bowl Association to play here.
^ Of course they do. There are logistical expenses and while large, Everbank still holds fewer fans than Doak.
The FSU regular season game played in the old Gator Bowl stadium that I remember is Brett Favre and Southern Miss beating them on a VERY HOT day. Fans in the stands were falling out but it was fun for this Gator fan to witness.
Quote from: urbanlibertarian on July 01, 2015, 09:48:42 AM
The FSU regular season game played in the old Gator Bowl stadium that I remember is Brett Favre and Southern Miss beating them on a VERY HOT day. Fans in the stands were falling out but it was fun for this Gator fan to witness.
I was at this game too. They ran out of ice. That's how hot it was.
Quote from: tufsu1 on July 01, 2015, 07:32:10 AM
^ Of course they do. There are logistical expenses and while large, Everbank still holds fewer fans than Doak.
But FSU has to sell those seats cheap to fill them. Everbank can support higher average tix price, which means more $$$.
Quote from: Bridges on July 01, 2015, 10:25:46 AM
Quote from: urbanlibertarian on July 01, 2015, 09:48:42 AM
The FSU regular season game played in the old Gator Bowl stadium that I remember is Brett Favre and Southern Miss beating them on a VERY HOT day. Fans in the stands were falling out but it was fun for this Gator fan to witness.
I was at this game too. They ran out of ice. That's how hot it was.
I remember the band members striping out of their uniforms after a few of them were carried out.
Quote from: spuwho on July 01, 2015, 11:35:59 AM
Quote from: tufsu1 on July 01, 2015, 07:32:10 AM
^ Of course they do. There are logistical expenses and while large, Everbank still holds fewer fans than Doak.
But FSU has to sell those seats cheap to fill them. Everbank can support higher average tix price, which means more $$$.
not really...average ticket price for FSU home games is over $50....and for big games (like say Oklahoma in Tally a few years ago), face value on tix is close to $80
Plus more than half the stadium has season tickets which require contributions to the boosters....and finally, Doak has plenty of luxury suites and will soon be adding a club level in the south end zone.
Supposedly there could be an announcement on July 8 about the ND-Navy game being played in Jacksonville in 2016.
^Curry's first chance to claim something he had nothing to do with. Let's see what happens!
Quote from: tufsu1 on July 01, 2015, 10:00:51 PM
Quote from: spuwho on July 01, 2015, 11:35:59 AM
Quote from: tufsu1 on July 01, 2015, 07:32:10 AM
^ Of course they do. There are logistical expenses and while large, Everbank still holds fewer fans than Doak.
But FSU has to sell those seats cheap to fill them. Everbank can support higher average tix price, which means more $$$.
not really...average ticket price for FSU home games is over $50....and for big games (like say Oklahoma in Tally a few years ago), face value on tix is close to $80
Plus more than half the stadium has season tickets which require contributions to the boosters....and finally, Doak has plenty of luxury suites and will soon be adding a club level in the south end zone.
FSU has actually struggled to sell tickets throughout the last several years.
In 2013, when FSU won the NC, 6 of the 7 FSU homegames did not sell out, and significantly. The only one that sold out was Miami, and the only other one to come close was NC State. The rest had around 70,000 at the games (bought tickets) which could be lower. The Idaho game only sold 65,000 seats and I imagine that was much emptier.
Same thing in 2012, when FSU sold out only the Clemson and Florida games. Every other game was just around 70k in attendance except BC which was closer to a sellout.
In 2014, ticket sales were a lot better and most games sold out. However, that is expected after a NC with the ticket drive that occurs and returning your Heisman winning QB. This year, I can guarantee they won't sell out most games because there season tickets dropped from what I read a bit. That is fine, but FSU could play its home game against Wake Forest here in 2018 and make some money off of it in comparison to only selling 70,000 tickets at max for it unless it follows a NC year.
Check this out :
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/jon-solomon/24891415/college-football-attendance-home-crowds-drop-to-lowest-in-14-years
As I'm sure you are aware the Gators have seen diminished crowds for 4 straight years. This coming season (For UF) is a complete unknown.
A few early season losses and it could be disastrous.
^ wow. way to state the obvious. When you lose, people don't attend. Your weak and pathetic jabs at UF are getting old.
"Weak and pathetic jabs"
Sounds like the Gators offense
I'm just having some fun. Our team is killing it right now and yours is not. Welcome to College Football.
Hicken tweeted a bit ago there is a presser next Wednesday to presumably announce ND/Navy game here in 2016.
Quote from: edjax on July 02, 2015, 03:37:11 PM
Hicken tweeted a bit ago there is a presser next Wednesday to presumably announce ND/Navy game here in 2016.
Should be a pretty cool atmosphere with so many local Navy (active duty and retired) in town.
Quote from: MusicMan on July 02, 2015, 03:14:12 PM
"Weak and pathetic jabs"
Sounds like the Gators offense
I'm just having some fun. Our team is killing it right now and yours is not. Welcome to College Football.
I really don't want to get pulled into your idiocy.
The Gators still sold out more home games (4) in 2013 with a 4-8 record than FSU did going undefeated (1).
Football ebbs and flows like all sports programs. I saw four national titles in football and basketball while I was a student at UF and don't think there could have been a better time to be a fan of any school.
And don't get me started on FSU academics ;)
Navy-Notre Dame will be a great game. Makes sense for both schools and especially ND who NEEDS to recruit the state of Florida and California to be successful.
Several years ago at some brainstorming event with the mayor, somebody suggested bidding for the Army-Navy game. The idea was very well received, but it looks like Army-Navy isn't leaving BOS-WASH anytime soon.
Agreed that ND-Navy will be an excellent pull.
Quote from: ProjectMaximus on July 02, 2015, 05:09:07 PM
Several years ago at some brainstorming event with the mayor, somebody suggested bidding for the Army-Navy game. The idea was very well received, but it looks like Army-Navy isn't leaving BOS-WASH anytime soon.
Agreed that ND-Navy will be an excellent pull.
And a good crowd could help the game return as well.
QuoteCurry's first chance to claim something he had nothing to do with. Let's see what happens!
Sure hope he does not raid "bed tax money" for new video boards and pools at Everbank.... wait, "I'm with Alvin" already did so. Maybe a water slide that takes people outside the stadium and down to the field?
I'd love to see ND-Navy here.
Quote from: blizz01 on July 03, 2015, 09:32:46 AM
I'd love to see ND-Navy here.
I think the problem with hosting Navy is the transportation costs for all of the midshipmen that the host has to pay.
Quote from: carpnter on July 03, 2015, 02:03:09 PM
Quote from: blizz01 on July 03, 2015, 09:32:46 AM
I'd love to see ND-Navy here.
I think the problem with hosting Navy is the transportation costs for all of the midshipmen that the host has to pay.
Where is the USS Adams when you need it!
Is Khan's boat Kismet larger or smaller than the USS Adams? Would be a great made for TV event with both boats in town.
QuoteI think the problem with hosting Navy is the transportation costs for all of the midshipmen that the host has to pay.
Cat was close to getting the Army/Navy game here when the game was looking for a new home.
It's official?
Quotehttp://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/07/03/report-notre-dame-navy-to-play-in-jacksonville-in-2016/
Report: Notre Dame, Navy to play in Jacksonville in 2016
Posted by Kevin McGuire on July 3, 2015, 7:33 PM EDT
Navy and Notre Dame do not typically make too many trips to the state of Florida during the course of a football season, but each will be playing in the state in 2016. In fact, they'll even be playing each other in the state in November 2016.
According to a report Friday by ND Insider (http://www.ndinsider.com/irishstew/notre-dame-navy-game-headed-to-jacksonville-in/article_c4115382-21bf-11e5-a8f8-9f52e0d3677b.html), Notre Dame and Navy will play their 2016 game in Jacksonville, Florida on November 5, 2016. The game will be played in EverBank Field, home of the NFL's Jacksonville Jaguars and recently undergoing upgrades to the stadium in hopes of keeping the Jaguars in town. Attracting some noteworthy college football game son the side is a nice perk too, and it seems to have worked.
Navy typically serves as host to Notre Dame in even-numbered years in the series, but tends to hold the game in a larger venue instead of its home stadium. The deal has not been officially announced, but ND Insider says the Jacksonville Sports Council has a press conference scheduled for this coming Wednesday, at which time it is expected to become official.
In the history of the Notre Dame-Navy rivalry, the game has been played in the state of Florida just once before. The 200 meeting was played in Orlando, with the Irish winning 45-14.
Well...technically from your quoted reference:
QuoteThe deal has not been officially announced, but ND Insider says the Jacksonville Sports Council has a press conference scheduled for this coming Wednesday, at which time it is expected to become official.
So no it's not official yet. Thanks for the link...glad to see this is actually going to happen.
Quoterecently undergoing upgrades to the stadium in hopes of keeping the Jaguars in town
You mean the video boards you can see from space and the pools used for ladies of the westside to show off their latest ink? Don't forget the ferris wheel and water park in the works.....
Quote from: mtraininjax on July 05, 2015, 09:56:04 PM
Quoterecently undergoing upgrades to the stadium in hopes of keeping the Jaguars in town
You mean the video boards you can see from space and the pools used for ladies of the westside to show off their latest ink? Don't forget the ferris wheel and water park in the works.....
Double yawn.
Look for an official announcement tomorrow. Another great college game for Jacksonville in the next season is something to celebrate.
Catlett had a lot of haters on here a week ago.
^ I doubt Catlett is really the one making these things happen....he is a relic of a bygone era.
http://jacksonville.com/opinion/blog/400617/gene-frenette/2015-07-08/notre-dame-navy-game-officially-coming-everbank-2016 (http://jacksonville.com/opinion/blog/400617/gene-frenette/2015-07-08/notre-dame-navy-game-officially-coming-everbank-2016)
Notre Dame-Navy 2016
This will be a huge plus for our local economy. Perhaps we can get some things accomplished by then so first time visitors have a really great experience.
Extremely important to get the USS Adams in town for this event, if possible.
Quote from: MusicMan on July 08, 2015, 10:05:55 PM
Extremely important to get the USS Adams in town for this event, if possible.
What's the current status of the Adams?
Navy / Notre Dame is a great opportunity for Jax, but its hardly "major". SEC dominates the south and an SEC team top-tier team. Alabama vs Ohio State would be a MAJOR game.
This is a nice game for Jacksonville. Just not Major, but you gotta start somewhere, so its just that, a start.
Quote from: mtraininjax on July 09, 2015, 09:33:16 AM
Navy / Notre Dame is a great opportunity for Jax, but its hardly "major". SEC dominates the south and an SEC team top-tier team. Alabama vs Ohio State would be a MAJOR game.
This is a nice game for Jacksonville. Just not Major, but you gotta start somewhere, so its just that, a start.
Calling it major or not is just semantics.
The truth is that this game is a big event in college football. Last year it was broadcast in prime time on CBS. It features one of the biggest brands in college football.
any time you get Notre Dame, you get Notre Dame. I bet it draws better than the Jags.
This is technically a "rivalry" game, and a good draw for Jax, but certainly not great by any means. The series trades off from playing in South Bend every other year, with a neutral site mixed in the other years.
The game was played at the Redskins stadium in MD last year and only drew a crowd of just under 37k.
The 2012 game was played in Ireland, so not really comparable to the game we will have in 2016.
The 2010 game was played at the Jets/Giants stadium and dew over 75k.
The 2008 game was played in the Ravens stadium in Baltimore and drew over 70k.
The quality of both teams this season and in 2016 will have a lot to do with how well this game draws in Jax. I would estimate a crowd similar to what the game drew in DC last season (37k), but not close to a sell out. I also do not see this drawing more than the average Jags game.
^ I think the game will easily draw 60,000 fans....and yes, will outdraw most Jags games
Watch for a major shore leave scheduled by a Naval group at Mayport just prior to the game. As for the count of retired ND fans in south Florida, I would have to look at some previous bowls.
Yeah, this game will easily hit 60 or 70k in Jax. It's a great grab.
Quote from: Murder_me_Rachel on July 09, 2015, 11:14:18 AM
Quote from: copperfiend on July 09, 2015, 11:04:51 AM
Calling it major or not is just semantics.
The truth is that this game is a big event in college football. Last year it was broadcast in prime time on CBS. It features one of the biggest brands in college football.
Uh, no. It is not a "big event in college football". Aside from ND fans and Navy personnel, no one gives two dumps about this dumpster fire of a game. It was broadcast in primetime because people will literally watch any football game over whatever crap episode of CSI Law Hospital is on. And, frankly, I am discounting the opinion/analysis of anyone who writes " It features one of the biggest brands in college football,"-- no cares about a "brand"; that is the kind of trite, hollow thing Mitch Albom or Peter King writes. People care about seeing good football, and this game ain't that. Aside from tripping over themselves into the nat'l championship a few years ago (specifically because of people who refer to ND as "one of the biggest brands in college football), where they got summarily destroyed and embarrassed, ND hasnt been relevant since 1993. And, Navy, well...those are good men who serve our country.
This will (hopefully) have a decent economic impact on the city. But, as with so many things in Jax, people are tripping over themselves to proclaim what a big deal this is, simply because its ours, not because this is actually a marquee event that mass amounts of college football fans care about.
Cool. It'll still draw 70k people and be nationally televised. And if people didn't care about the Notre Dame brand, they wouldn't be the only university with it's own television contract with a broadcast network.
Quote from: dp8541 on July 09, 2015, 11:59:41 AM
This is technically a "rivalry" game, and a good draw for Jax, but certainly not great by any means. The series trades off from playing in South Bend every other year, with a neutral site mixed in the other years.
The game was played at the Redskins stadium in MD last year and only drew a crowd of just under 37k.
The 2012 game was played in Ireland, so not really comparable to the game we will have in 2016.
The 2010 game was played at the Jets/Giants stadium and dew over 75k.
The 2008 game was played in the Ravens stadium in Baltimore and drew over 70k.
The quality of both teams this season and in 2016 will have a lot to do with how well this game draws in Jax. I would estimate a crowd similar to what the game drew in DC last season (37k), but not close to a sell out. I also do not see this drawing more than the average Jags game.
Last year was the first time they drew under 70k for a Notre Dame-Navy game.
Quote from: Murder_me_Rachel on July 09, 2015, 11:14:18 AM
Quote from: copperfiend on July 09, 2015, 11:04:51 AM
Calling it major or not is just semantics.
The truth is that this game is a big event in college football. Last year it was broadcast in prime time on CBS. It features one of the biggest brands in college football.
Uh, no. It is not a "big event in college football". Aside from ND fans and Navy personnel, no one gives two dumps about this dumpster fire of a game. It was broadcast in primetime because people will literally watch any football game over whatever crap episode of CSI Law Hospital is on. And, frankly, I am discounting the opinion/analysis of anyone who writes " It features one of the biggest brands in college football,"-- no cares about a "brand"; that is the kind of trite, hollow thing Mitch Albom or Peter King writes. People care about seeing good football, and this game ain't that. Aside from tripping over themselves into the nat'l championship a few years ago (specifically because of people who refer to ND as "one of the biggest brands in college football), where they got summarily destroyed and embarrassed, ND hasnt been relevant since 1993. And, Navy, well...those are good men who serve our country.
This will (hopefully) have a decent economic impact on the city. But, as with so many things in Jax, people are tripping over themselves to proclaim what a big deal this is, simply because its ours, not because this is actually a marquee event that mass amounts of college football fans care about.
Your last half sentence is spot on, but that doesn't preclude it from being a big event in college football. There are years when FL/GA has little or no significance on the national landscape but it's still a big event.
Quote from: tufsu1 on July 09, 2015, 12:02:33 PM
^ I think the game will easily draw 60,000 fans....and yes, will outdraw most Jags games
Jags ave. attendance last year was 65K - 21st in the NFL. Claiming the ND / Navy game will outdraw most Jags game is quite the bold statement.
Goodness gracious me, the negativity on this site is too much to bear sometimes...
No, Notre Dame-Navy is not a marquee game in the greater college football landscape and probably has not been since before WWII. No, Notre Dame football is not what it used to be. No, Navy is not a football power by any stretch of the imagination. But do you know what? None of that matters AT ALL.
Notre Dame still has roughly one gorillion fans who travel extraordinarily well (especially to Florida in November). All of their games are still on NBC. As an added bonus, the United States Navy actually as a fairly sizable presence right here in town. This game will draw very well from both in-town and out-of-town, and it'll be on national television. It cannot be construed as anything but a win for the City of Jacksonville, especially when the alternative is no game at all.
I saw one poster lamenting that this isn't Ohio State vs. Alabama! Well, for one thing that game isn't happening anywhere on the planet. If it was, it would be happening in Atlanta or Dallas, period. Maybe we need a reality check around here... Jacksonville can't compete with Atlanta or Dallas for college football games. We CAN compete with Orlando, Tampa, Charlotte and Nashville. We are getting this game, and those cities are not. This is a good thing!
In the coming years, we're only going to see more and more major college football teams playing these neutral-site games. There are only so many places to play them, and only so many Alabamas and Ohio States, so I think you will see Jacksonville land some second-tier Power Five matchups. There's no reason Jacksonville can't get some of the matchups Atlanta has gotten for the Chick-Fil-A Classic over the years... Tennessee-NC State, LSU-UNC, Ole Miss-Boise State. Notre Dame-Navy is probably better than any of those, so we could even see an LSU-Michigan or a Wisconsin-Clemson. I bet people around here would still complain.
Looks like my early estimate was low and this could hit the 60k mark in attendance. From the Daily Record:
"Catlett said most people think the game will hit 70,000-80,000 in tickets, but it's actually closer to 60,000-65,000.
Finding a way to offset that high guarantee to the school was key, he said.
Catlett said he couldn't reveal what the ticket guarantee or other financial aspects of the deal, citing privacy contract language."
It sounds like Navy will have a pretty large ticket guarantee, which should make for a pretty fun atmosphere at the game.
Catlett spent "years" on this game. His proudest professional moment was Alabama-FSU...although "this ranks up there."
Also, Phoenix and San Diego were vying for this game too.
http://jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=545761
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Mayor Lenny Curry and Jacksonville Sports Council Chairman Carl Cannon were on hand Wednesday for the official announcement that Notre Dame and Navy will play in Jacksonville next year. (Photo by Wes Lester/The City of Jacksonville)
Thursday, July 9, 10:25 AM EDT
By David Chapman, Staff Writer
Rick Catlett stood at the podium Wednesday, the EverBank Field scoreboards behind him displaying two teams that will make their way to town next November for a signature event.
Notre Dame and Navy, two of college football's iconic brands playing their annual tilt in a city steeped in naval tradition.
Catlett, CEO of the Jacksonville Sports Council, later called the game "the worst kept secret in Jacksonville."
It had been rumored for months and was made official Wednesday with a news conference attended by Mayor Lenny Curry, the Navy athletic director and other officials.
The work led by Catlett came well before that rain-stricken press event.
It's been in the making for a couple of years now, actually coming to fruition after rumors of another game sprung up several years back and a little misfortune elsewhere.
"We all worked very hard to make this happen," said Catlett, sitting in his office well after the TV cameras left.
Those efforts started with him.
Years in the making
Catlett said he's been working on the game for a couple of years now.
His right-hand man and friend, Alan Verlander, said Catlett has been thinking about it for maybe 20 years.
The game fans heard about Wednesday grew legs six to eight years ago, when rumors of another highly decorated game — Army-Navy — was rumored to come to Jacksonville.
"We investigated that back in the '80s," Catlett said. "It's financially not feasible."
The idea then turned to acquiring another Navy home game. Those have been played more frequently in other large cities, such as Baltimore, Philadelphia, East Rutherford, N.J., and even Dublin, Ireland.
Catlett had forged a relationship with Navy athletic director Chet Gladchuk, who held the same position formerly with Boston College — a former member of the Big East conference that had signed a deal with the Gator Bowl.
Catlett said when the Army-Navy rumor re-emerged then died, he picked up the phone to call Gladchuk. The occasional discussion or email would follow, but there weren't substantial talks for several years. Major college football games generally are scheduled years in advance.
At one point, Gladchuk told Catlett he should visit to see an Army-Navy game for himself. Catlett's son was a naval aviator and knew of the pageantry and passion for the game, but Catlett said he was blown away by what he saw.
"It's truly the epitome of what college football is all about," he said.
An opportunity emerged thereafter.
Gladchuk was negotiating to play the game in 2016 in Phoenix, but that fell through when the leadership team at the Fiesta Bowl was wiped out by a scandal.
The 2016 and 2018 games were available, with San Diego as Jacksonville's competition.
Catlett said he wanted the 2016 game, not a later one.
"I've got a lot of gray hair," he said he told them, then laughed. "I don't know how much longer I'll be around."
From there, it was a matter of logistics and negotiating a deal that worked — not the easiest of tasks.
The deal itself
Catlett called on someone who had a little experience with a Navy game for some advice.
Mark Lamping, Jacksonville Jaguars president, had run an East Rutherford game between Army-Navy in his past professional role. Catlett said Lamping told him how the game worked and what to expect in terms of a deal.
Lamping said he recalls telling Catlett that, more than anything, to "understand how special this game is."
"It's more than just a football game," he said, noting Jacksonville's strong naval presence.
Catlett understood. But, there was a hurdle that had to be cleared — working with the city on a lease proved tough.
"It was difficult to negotiate," he said.
At the time, there was no one really leading the city's sports and entertainment office. Verlander, the former sports and entertainment officer, was back in the private sector with the sports council. He's the group's executive director and chief operating officer.
When Dave Herrell was named to the city role in July, negotiations became a little easier.
Herrell said Wednesday he understood the global picture from economic development and presentation perspectives.
And he had a little history with the game.
Before coming to Jacksonville, he was with the Arizona Sports Foundation — which also was vying for that 2016 Notre Dame-Navy game, before things went south.
"I understood the value in it," he said.
The lease deal for the game will be introduced to City Council in the coming weeks.
It's similar to the arrangement the city makes for the TaxSlayer Bowl, Catlett said. The TaxSlayer Bowl receives 35 percent of revenue from items like concessions and parking, money that will go to Navy.
And, to offset high ticket guarantees, Navy will receive the rights to the title sponsorship.
Catlett said most people think the game will hit 70,000-80,000 in tickets, but it's actually closer to 60,000-65,000.
Finding a way to offset that high guarantee to the school was key, he said.
Catlett said he couldn't reveal what the ticket guarantee or other financial aspects of the deal, citing privacy contract language.
The impact
The agreement with the city was reached May 14. The deal with Navy weeks later.
It's still too early for big-item numbers like economic impact or the "heads in beds" hotel room nights, officials said.
But, the impact should be great, Herrell said.
"This is celebrating Jacksonville on a big stage,' he said.
The game will be played Nov. 5, a time when the military is celebrated during the "Week of Valor."
Verlander called it a "case study" on how sports should work in Jacksonville, using relationships and local organizations for the cause. "We're all one team now," he said.
For Catlett, who is closing in on retirement in the next couple of years, the impact is also big.
One of his proudest moments, he said, was a neutral site game played in 2007 between Florida State University and the University of Alabama.
This ranks up there, too, he said, especially given the tradition and military significance Jacksonville has.
"It's one of the biggest traditions out there," he said.
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QuoteIn the coming years, we're only going to see more and more major college football teams playing these neutral-site games. There are only so many places to play them, and only so many Alabamas and Ohio States, so I think you will see Jacksonville land some second-tier Power Five matchups.
Again, the ND/Navy matchup is a nice game, its by no means Major. As you have alluded to in your post, TWICE, the Alabama/OSU matchup, being played at Texas Stadium, would be a MAJOR cfb game. When Jax lands that game, its quite an accomplishment.
Landing a Super Bowl was a MAJOR accomplishment, but that was 12 years ago.....
QuoteI think the game will easily draw 60,000 fans....and yes, will outdraw most Jags games
All the Jags games in Jax last year were
sellouts, above 60,000 fans...........
65k was the Jags average last year. Unsure if that includes London.
Quote from: mtraininjax on July 10, 2015, 10:28:45 AM
All the Jags games in Jax last year were sellouts, above 60,000 fans...........
yes...a "sellout" of the non-premium seats, with the tarps. Fact is the Jaguars haven't truly drawn 65,000 fans for a home game in years. I'm sure the hope here is that Navy-ND will fill up the stadium to capacity (75,000+).
As to this not being a major game....kind of hard to say that right now....but it will most likely be in primetime and will be viewed by folks all over the country...seems pretty decent to me.
http://www.chick-fil-akickoffgame.com/georgia-tech-and-tennessee-set-for-2017/ (http://www.chick-fil-akickoffgame.com/georgia-tech-and-tennessee-set-for-2017/)
Teams are so-so this year and maybe next, but this is a major game. Hard to schedule something like this when the feel-like temps are still near 100. Would be nice to get an SEC / ACC team game in Jax for November, with serious guaranteed money.
Georgia Tech and Tennessee is a major game?
Major schools, yes. Big draw? Eh, we'll see. I'd guess about 40k-50k would show up. Less if they are still ranked like they have been the last few years. Better than nothing, but not amazing.
^ you obviously don't know much about Volunteer Nation
Quote from: tufsu1 on July 20, 2015, 04:19:23 PM
^ you obviously don't know much about Volunteer Nation
Exactly. That game will be an
easy sellout, and those tickets will be sold well before the game.
ND has their own contract because they have a national fanbase and better yet, a very affluent one. Their ratings are down
FSU may be coming after all
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/sports/college/florida-seminoles/fsu-boise-state-near-deal-to-play-in-jacksonville-in-2019/283453672
I was curious and checked out the Ticketmaster page for the ND/Navy game. About a month away, and there are still tons of upper deck seats available.
Notre Dame sucking air this year, they may have a losing record by the time they get to Jax. Lost a lot of players to the NFL.
And I am sure there will be more than 16k empty seats at the game. And I doubt the game ever returns.
Quote from: Murder_me_Rachel on November 03, 2016, 09:12:16 AM
Quote from: pierre on November 03, 2016, 09:09:13 AM
And I am sure there will be more than 16k empty seats at the game. And I doubt the game ever returns.
No way, man. The experts here all said this was a marquee game and such a big deal. Notre Dame is the biggest draw in the country with the biggest fanbase and adlkhjlakjsbsgkhafbgsldjkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk....sorry, feel asleep onto my keyboard; even trying to give those opinions credence is so boring.
feel better?
Quote from: pierre on September 29, 2016, 09:39:44 AM
I was curious and checked out the Ticketmaster page for the ND/Navy game. About a month away, and there are still tons of upper deck seats available.
How many tix were purchased for the Navy?
Werent they bringing in a group of ships for the occasion?
While I am at it, is the Navy going to bring one of those ships up the river? A frigate?
You can go on Stubhub now and get tickets for $10.
Having the game at 11:30 was also pretty stupid and yes I know that CBS commanded it.
Before we set the stadium on fire and ban sports from all of the vast lands of Duval County, let's think about this for just a second.
The city spent $350,000 in operational expenses.
Tickets remaining to be sold equal 17,000
Stadium capacity equals about 65,000
Ticket face value equals $45-$255
Conservatively, let's say HALF the tickets that are no longer available were actually sold (not handed out), and let's say they were all sold for $45 a pop. 65,000-17,000=48,000/2=24,000x45=1,080,000
Multiply by 0.65, since the city keeps 65% of ticket revenue... $702,000
Even with this extraordinarily conservative estimate, the city doubled their money on ticket sales alone. This doesn't include parking revenue, merchandise, food or alcohol sales. It doesn't take into account bed taxes, gas taxes, sales taxes, or any of those things.
It's a win.
Stop hating.
Draw and $$$ are more important than how "good" the game is. Otherwise we wouldn't keep putting so much expense and effort into keeping FL-GA - it's often a turkey of a game, but a great and lucrative tradition. Something like this is going to have an impact through the money spent by incoming guests, many of whom will be out of towners. $600k (the money the City is spending) doesn't feel overmuch for an event like this.
That said, the numbers for this so far look disappointing. I'd have thought this game would easily clear 60k in a Navy town, looking at its recent history. Maybe they'll get there.
Quote from: Murder_me_Rachel on November 03, 2016, 05:18:02 PM
Quote from: JBTripper on November 03, 2016, 05:03:02 PM
Before we set the stadium on fire and ban sports from all of the vast lands of Duval County, let's think about this for just a second.
The city spent $350,000 in operational expenses.
Tickets remaining to be sold equal 17,000
Stadium capacity equals about 65,000
Ticket face value equals $45-$255
Conservatively, let's say HALF the tickets that are no longer available were actually sold (not handed out), and let's say they were all sold for $45 a pop. 65,000-17,000=48,000/2=24,000x45=1,080,000
Multiply by 0.65, since the city keeps 65% of ticket revenue... $702,000
Even with this extraordinarily conservative estimate, the city doubled their money on ticket sales alone. This doesn't include parking revenue, merchandise, food or alcohol sales. It doesn't take into account bed taxes, gas taxes, sales taxes, or any of those things.
It's a win.
Stop hating.
Subtract at least $250,000 that the city pays to the teams to come here. Then subtract cost of police, power, etc. Sure, I hope the city clears some cash, but I seriously doubt they clearing $700,000 or more.
Further, all I am really saying is it's a shitty game, played by lower-tier teams. I was never really saying it's a loser, just that I wish zero tax dollars went to a game like this.
The article linked above only mentions a $350,000 cost for operating expenses. I'm sure the teams are compensated for coming here, but I have no idea what that number is or who pays. This game is Navy's home game, which means it's not too expensive to buy. It makes financial sense for the city to bring this game here. If you're concerned about tax dollars being spent, consider that buying a really good game means buying a home game from Alabama AND Ohio State. That's what Dallas is doing with Florida and Michigan next year. Not cheap, and there's no guarantee those fans would even come to JAX.
If your beef is with the quality of games, then you should refer to my (much) earlier comment. There are a very select few truly "marquee" college football games every year that are played off campus. Atlanta and Dallas get basically all of them, because they are better cities with better venues. I love it here in Jacksonville, but let's be real.
Quote from: JBTripper on November 03, 2016, 09:08:44 PM
Quote from: Murder_me_Rachel on November 03, 2016, 05:18:02 PM
Quote from: JBTripper on November 03, 2016, 05:03:02 PM
Before we set the stadium on fire and ban sports from all of the vast lands of Duval County, let's think about this for just a second.
The city spent $350,000 in operational expenses.
Tickets remaining to be sold equal 17,000
Stadium capacity equals about 65,000
Ticket face value equals $45-$255
Conservatively, let's say HALF the tickets that are no longer available were actually sold (not handed out), and let's say they were all sold for $45 a pop. 65,000-17,000=48,000/2=24,000x45=1,080,000
Multiply by 0.65, since the city keeps 65% of ticket revenue... $702,000
Even with this extraordinarily conservative estimate, the city doubled their money on ticket sales alone. This doesn't include parking revenue, merchandise, food or alcohol sales. It doesn't take into account bed taxes, gas taxes, sales taxes, or any of those things.
It's a win.
Stop hating.
Subtract at least $250,000 that the city pays to the teams to come here. Then subtract cost of police, power, etc. Sure, I hope the city clears some cash, but I seriously doubt they clearing $700,000 or more.
Further, all I am really saying is it's a shitty game, played by lower-tier teams. I was never really saying it's a loser, just that I wish zero tax dollars went to a game like this.
The article linked above only mentions a $350,000 cost for operating expenses. I'm sure the teams are compensated for coming here, but I have no idea what that number is or who pays. This game is Navy's home game, which means it's not too expensive to buy. It makes financial sense for the city to bring this game here. If you're concerned about tax dollars being spent, consider that buying a really good game means buying a home game from Alabama AND Ohio State. That's what Dallas is doing with Florida and Michigan next year. Not cheap, and there's no guarantee those fans would even come to JAX.
If your beef is with the quality of games, then you should refer to my (much) earlier comment. There are a very select few truly "marquee" college football games every year that are played off campus. Atlanta and Dallas get basically all of them, because they are better cities with better venues. I love it here in Jacksonville, but let's be real.
JBT, I agree with you 100%. There are several posters here that parse and critique every post just to have something to do I suppose.
The city clearly had some real misfortune on this game. Notre Dame was always going to be the big draw and they just happen to be in the middle of a very bad year. Ordinarily, they would have packed the place. Not this year.
It happens.
Their bad record has killed the draw, true, but this is a win for Jax. Personally, we've got 9 squids we're housing in our 2BR Springfield space for the weekend who came over from the Panhandle for the game. Plenty of visitors in town who may or may not go to the game. The empty seats won't be a black mark on the city. The weather will be beautiful, there are things to do in town for the visitors -- cool out. All is well.
It is a reminder, though: the game has changed on sporting events. Ticket sales are absolutely not what they used to be. At pro events, or college. SEC fanbases don't travel to away games like they used to, for instance. The world has changed and entertainment options are much, much more diverse and less expensive.
Wow... The stadium is really empty. The upper decks are completely bare and the lower levels are pretty sparse when the camera zooms in. It's a shame these teams are playing so poorly this season. Hopefully people stick around and check out the new brewery, restaurants, etc
Quote from: jaxjaguar on November 05, 2016, 01:00:55 PM
Wow... The stadium is really empty. The upper decks are completely bare and the lower levels are pretty sparse when the camera zooms in. It's a shame these teams are playing so poorly this season. Hopefully people stick around and check out the new brewery, restaurants, etc
Navy is actually having a pretty good season, Notre Dame is the team that is terrible this year.
Announced attendance was 50,867. Not bad at all. The Squids we rented to came over from Eglin AFB, loved the stadium and the game, stayed out until 4:30 a.m., and obviously had a great time in Big Duval.
It appears that Jacksonville is trying to host the displaced game between BYU & LSU.
Quote from: JaxAvondale on August 28, 2017, 11:15:49 AM
It appears that Jacksonville is trying to host the displaced game between BYU & LSU.
Orlando and Nashville also it sounds like.
Why don't they just play it in Provo? Is LSU too chicken?
Quote from: JaxAvondale on August 28, 2017, 11:15:49 AM
It appears that Jacksonville is trying to host the displaced game between BYU & LSU.
that would be fun.
The game is moved to New Orleans. Kind of surprising considering parts of Louisiana are flooding too.
LSU steals another home game.
Florida State opening their 2019-2020 season at TIAA Bank Field here in Jax.
Should be a press conference tomorrow.
WARM UP YOUR CHOP, ENNIS.
Against Boise State. Should be fun!
Smurfs...........