By 2020, Miami Beach plans to complete 80 new storm pumps that will collect and banish up to 14,000 gallons of seawater per minute back into Biscayne Bay. Construction started in February. The goal is to reduce sunny day flooding — which frequently invades streets at high tide whether or not it is raining — and prepare the community for future ocean swell.
The $300 million project is ambitious for a city with a $502 million annual budget. A new stormwater utility fee on homeowners, hotels and stores helped Miami Beach save enough money to borrow the first $100 million.
The project started before planners worked out all the funding. It's unclear how the city will raise the rest. "We don't have time for analysis-paralysis," said Levine. "We are going to have to get creative."
National Climate Assessment report, released earlier this year, identified Miami as especially vulnerable to the effects of climate change. The ocean around South Florida, which sits on porous limestone, is expected to rise nearly three feet in the next 86 years, according to Florida State University research.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/storyline/wp/2014/12/22/miamis-climate-catch-22-building-luxury-condos-to-pay-for-protection-against-the-rising-sea/?hpid=z4
Rising sea levels and ocean swells are two different things. You can pump out the effects of a swell, however in the case of rising sea levels, fold your tent and move to the Piedmont.
They're going to have to build levees ultimately, pumps by themselves won't be sufficient as a long term solution.
QuoteWhen The Levee Breaks - originally recorded by the blues musical duo Kansas Joe McCoy and Memphis Minnie, recorded by Led Zeppelin on their 4th album
Cryin' won't help you, prayin' won't do you no good
No, cryin' won't help you, prayin' won't do you no good
When the Levee breaks, mama, you got to move
(http://members.tripod.com/4christe/LeveeBreak.jpg)
I wouldn't run out and buy a life boat just yet, especially with 'experts' like Al Gore and Leonardo DiCaprio, making waves.
QuoteFather" of Global Warming changes his mind, says Doomsday scenario not likely
http://www.torontosun.com/2012/06/22/green-drivel
Two months ago, James Lovelock, the godfather of global warming, gave a startling interview to msnbc.com in which he acknowledged he had been unduly "alarmist" about climate change.
The implications were extraordinary.
Lovelock is a world-renowned scientist and environmentalist whose Gaia theory — that the Earth operates as a single, living organism — has had a profound impact on the development of global warming theory.
Unlike many "environmentalists," who have degrees in political science, Lovelock, until his recent retirement at age 92, was a much-honoured working scientist and academic.
His inventions have been used by NASA, among many other scientific organizations.
Lovelock's invention of the electron capture detector in 1957 first enabled scientists to measure CFCs (chlorofluorocarbons) and other pollutants in the atmosphere, leading, in many ways, to the birth of the modern environmental movement.
Having observed that global temperatures since the turn of the millennium have not gone up in the way computer-based climate models predicted, Lovelock acknowledged, "the problem is we don't know what the climate is doing. We thought we knew 20 years ago." Now, Lovelock has given a follow-up interview to the UK's Guardian newspaper in which he delivers more bombshells sure to anger the global green movement, which for years worshipped his Gaia theory and apocalyptic predictions that billions would die from man-made climate change by the end of this century.
Lovelock still believes anthropogenic global warming is occurring and that mankind must lower its greenhouse gas emissions, but says it's now clear the doomsday predictions, including his own (and Al Gore's) were incorrect.
He responds to attacks on his revised views by noting that, unlike many climate scientists who fear a loss of government funding if they admit error, as a freelance scientist, he's never been afraid to revise his theories in the face of new evidence. Indeed, that's how science advances.
Among his observations to the Guardian:
(1) A long-time supporter of nuclear power as a way to lower greenhouse gas emissions, which has made him unpopular with environmentalists, Lovelock has now come out in favour of natural gas fracking (which environmentalists also oppose), as a low-polluting alternative to coal. As Lovelock observes, "Gas is almost a give-away in the U.S. at the moment. They've gone for fracking in a big way. This is what makes me very cross with the greens for trying to knock it ... Let's be pragmatic and sensible and get Britain to switch everything to methane. We should be going mad on it." (Kandeh Yumkella, co-head of a major United Nations program on sustainable energy, made similar arguments last week at a UN environmental conference in Rio de Janeiro, advocating the development of conventional and unconventional natural gas resources as a way to reduce deforestation and save millions of lives in the Third World.)
(2) Lovelock blasted greens for treating global warming like a religion. "It just so happens that the green religion is now taking over from the Christian religion," Lovelock observed. "I don't think people have noticed that, but it's got all the sort of terms that religions use ... The greens use guilt. That just shows how religious greens are. You can't win people round by saying they are guilty for putting (carbon dioxide) in the air."
(3) Lovelock mocks the idea modern economies can be powered by wind turbines. As he puts it, "so-called 'sustainable development' ... is meaningless drivel ... We rushed into renewable energy without any thought. The schemes are largely hopelessly inefficient and unpleasant.
(4) Finally, about claims "the science is settled" on global warming: "One thing that being a scientist has taught me is that you can never be certain about anything. You never know the truth. You can only approach it and hope to get a bit nearer to it each time. You iterate towards the truth. You don't know it.
Your decrepit old ass will be dead anyway, so of course you don't care.
I'm all for being environmentally responsible, I am not for wrecking the economy to get there right now.
My, my, reality really pisses some people off doesn't it?
Quote from: carpnter on December 24, 2014, 04:39:36 PM
I'm all for being environmentally responsible, I am not for wrecking the economy to get there right now.
I actually agree. I'm all for green vehicles, buildings, solar, hydro and wind power, recycling and conservation, in fact every position check up I've ever taken I come down solidly in the Democrat side in these areas. But like you, we shouldn't run around screaming the sky is falling, and breaking the bank on what appears to be nothing more then the natural progression of the planets cycles.
^^^I agree also. Greener and better energy? Yes. Far-left doomsday dramatics? No.
Quote from: finehoe on December 24, 2014, 04:00:42 PM
Your decrepit old ass will be dead anyway, so of course you don't care.
You're no daisy! You're no daisy at all. Poor soul, you are just too high strung. Why Finehoe does this mean we're not friends anymore? You know Finehoe, if I thought you weren't my friend... I just don't think I could bear it.
Eventus stultorum magister.
Quote from: Ocklawaha on December 25, 2014, 06:18:49 PM
Why Finehoe does this mean we're not friends anymore?
"A friend is someone who knows all about you and still loves you."
vox nihili
Thats okay finehoe, I still love you!
Verba vana aut risui non loqui
Quote from: Ocklawaha on December 26, 2014, 12:22:21 PM
Thats okay finehoe, I still love you!
Now I'll be able to sleep tonight. ;)
Quote from: Ocklawaha on December 25, 2014, 06:18:49 PM
Quote from: finehoe on December 24, 2014, 04:00:42 PM
Your decrepit old ass will be dead anyway, so of course you don't care.
You're no daisy! You're no daisy at all. Poor soul, you are just too high strung. Why Finehoe does this mean we're not friends anymore? You know Finehoe, if I thought you weren't my friend... I just don't think I could bear it.
Eventus stultorum magister.
Come on boys. We don't want any trouble in here. Not in any language.
In vino veritas.
The two of us just having some fun Apache... in Latin.
Quote from: Ocklawaha on December 23, 2014, 11:23:46 AM
Rising sea levels and ocean swells are two different things. You can pump out the effects of a swell, however in the case of rising sea levels, fold your tent and move to the Piedmont.
No Latin here.just combo North Miami Westside Avondale Northern St Johns speak. With a hint of far west Coastal Ridge.........not to closer-than- one - might- think; Piedmont: although that seems grand.........naw, jus' eatin' BBQ @ Bradford County way above past Sea Level.....Women never look or prove Attractive here where the Godly Water Level will Rise......except for that slim waisted Blond Big Hair semi Left Church Study Group Bombshell. You look so cute when you bail out of the Interior Upland County,right there at Talbot State Park;outgoing tide,surfacing sand bars....YIKES! ;).......long twirly hair danglin' down ever so carefully to current sea level,long fetch swells swirl ..........
Well,in fact over yonder' Southwest Avondale this morning...dang muck shore and back yard.....dang waters a'risin!!!
Anhinga, Otter like never before.
Shucks...what be happenin' over yonder Nocatee Mitigation lands....dang hI water Hogs, high water decorative plant eatery, The hog "hunters" will slip in,high water mark/Wetland Delineation,only 30 feet off of actual, per negotiated Planner & Consultant Nocatee Order.Excuse us while we barge in to the front 13 feet of your residence to take out these high water pressed critters.
"Silencers"...you will never know it,quite like the seeping water rise...
Perhaps Clay County upland sand hill "Black Horse" Brannon Chaffee,western Beltway Corridor will,finally,BE THE ANSWER.
The rare bark of Ock's 41 Magnum even rarer to the landscape....... (Lock Thread!)
Too late.
Better than Riverside.
One of the first "Average" rainfall years............in,well,years.
In fact,I can easily imagine ocean "Swells" flopping on to Avondale/west river side emerging shorefront.........sweeping away the Westside Negro Slums,and,eventually,well past the final Consolidation/DelaneyGrowth Ring, on up the face of the SAND BAR.....MARCH WEST AND UPHILL YOU FUCKERS... west (slightly uphill...) to Starke (Naked!!!) ,Lawtey and other human designated points West; TRAIL RIDGE That deserves yelling in high water Capitals......back when All Of What We Know was.......blurp!......under-water
High water tide pools...eventually drop.........pools flow through,cascade down through beach sand lands certain, "creeks",easterly....towards the Ocean (Atlantic that is.... anything west of the "Ridge" headed to the Gulf.....New River, etc all this not too far from Downtown Jax,if you think about it,or even if you don't.Join the Club! 8))
Bye Florida...well ahead of this High Water mark.
Bummer of a Location poor ol' Jax Port Jax.No matter what happens to 100 acres of Downtown Public Lands,make sure it remains high and dry,unless it deserves certain justifiable drowning.
Selected a Northern California County for it's Planning & Zone Department....2867 feet above (current,not counting Public Lands Mountain SKY SCRAPERS) See Level a bonus. Bye Bye native Miami, Pit Stop Jax.Save the Aquarium from rising waters- no doubt not 'salty' enough,or too salty. Parts Per Million. !!!
^Don't hold back. Let it flow.
Anyone else feel sorry for the Baltimore guys? 2014-412. And they brought two extra boats down from Baltimore. Losers!
Let's do another ceremonial kayak RICO loop of our CRA/DIA zone.
Onward!
I don't think it's a good idea. They're better off building homes that float on water. lol