Well the new 96 gallon recycle cans arrived today,--grey with bright yellow tops -- quite festive as they line our little street up and down,,just in time for Luminaria! We live in a multi-unit propery and each unit has one. No place on the property to store these big boys except on the street. Our little blue tubs were able to be brought inside after pick up. These are huge rolling carts.
The pick up schedule will be changed to only once every two weeks. We all recycle in our units, but together we probably need one can, not four.
Does anyone know how other urban neighboods have dealt with all these cans with limited space? They seem more designed for large suburban homes with 3 car garages.
The notice we got suggested that we will all be getting new trash containers too--so we will have 8 monsters soon. Lined up, they take up the entire property frontage.
I'm sure RAP will love the timing. I think the rain is gonna put a damper on the festivities anyway.
I didn't know the cans were gonna be this size. They're massive. I was anticipating 50-55 gallon volume.
In the suburban areas that got them earlier, you could request a smaller size - I think in the 50-60 gallon range. But everyone gets the bigs ones to start. Don't know if that's available to the "old city" areas now getting them.
Same problem here in San Marco. Delivered last Tuesday to our triplex...initially no idea where to store them especially once the trash bins arrive. As the landlord, we're thinking of using one or two for the complex and storing the rest somewhere offsite.
My parents on the southside got theirs about a year ago...of course they are very happy with theirs.
Quote from: Josh on December 21, 2014, 02:32:00 PM
I'm sure RAP will love the timing. I think the rain is gonna put a damper on the festivities anyway.
Yep. Just came past Riverside Park, all the little white bags sagging and soggy. :(
At least we have a lot of bins to put the paper in to recycle now.
I didn't know the cans were gonna be this size. They're massive. I was anticipating 50-55 gallon volume.
From looking at the coj.net Solid Waste FAQ apparently there is a smaller 64 gallon size. You can request that, but they specifically state that they want you to try the big size for 60-90 days first.
Really, these things are big enough to live in!
Just moved to avondale from Bartram and we had them there. I had a two car garage filled with a few toys and they definitly did not fit! These will have to remain outside as well.
Mine will stay outside as well.
Quote from: 5pointy on December 21, 2014, 04:44:41 PM
Quote from: Josh on December 21, 2014, 02:32:00 PM
I'm sure RAP will love the timing. I think the rain is gonna put a damper on the festivities anyway.
Yep. Just came past Riverside Park, all the little white bags sagging and soggy. :(
At least we have a lot of bins to put the paper in to recycle now.
I didn't know the cans were gonna be this size. They're massive. I was anticipating 50-55 gallon volume.
From looking at the coj.net Solid Waste FAQ apparently there is a smaller 64 gallon size. You can request that, but they specifically state that they want you to try the big size for 60-90 days first.
Really, these things are big enough to live in!
If you switch to a smaller one maybe you can donate the big one to the Sulzbacher. ;-)
They also allow for more items to be recycled now, before it was just a couple types of plastics, now it is nearly everything with a number on it. We manage to nearly fill ours up every two weeks and it is just the wife and me.
Plus wheeling them to the street are much easier than a blue bin without wheels.
Might not have to do the blue bin hunt either, trying to find where the angry truck guy has thrown your bin. Is it in the bushes? A neighbor's yard? In a tree? Who knows?
I am cool with the new cans as long as our older neighbors can request smaller ones. We have a few retired folks on the block and I can see them having issues.
In Springfield, we all got the smaller ones, and a bunch of us need the bigger ones, especially now that practically everything can be recycled. But at least, as Killing Wax said, we don't have to find and re-tape the smashed up blue bin that the recycle guy threw as hard as he could from the middle of the street. Not kidding, I've seen it.
We've had our first pickup in Riverside this past Friday. It seemed to go pretty well. Rather than expensive new trucks that dump stuff into the top, the City has used attachments to the back of their regular trucks. Still two guys on the back of each truck, but they only have to make two trips to the curb rather than multiple trips for all of the stuff that used to be outside the blue bins. There is also a lot less "spillage" with the new bins.
It looks like the City has also picked up the big bins in front of vacant houses and apartments so they aren't just sitting outside in the yard.
But what's with the sudden craze for safety yellow on everything? The new sidewalk ramps all have bright yellow alert pads when the first few put in had brick colored ones. The safety yellow tops on the new bins are just plain ugly and are a visual blight when the bins cannot be put out of sight. With out small houses, small lots and no garages those of us in Riverside have to put the bins alongside our houses where they are still visible from the street. They could have made the tops the same blue as the bins and they would still be different from the garbage bins but wouldn't be so screemingly bright.
Note to Public Works: Hold a couple of public meetings before making decisions that change things that everyone can see.
^^ I think after a while the garbage trucks will also work as the recycle and pick the bins up from the curb and not require another person. When they first introduced the new bins in our area it was the same way. The reason we were told was they still did not have enough of the newer trucks so they did the quick retrofit of the old trucks you described until the waste company could get the new tricks online. After a few months they then switched both recycle and garbage to pick the bins up directly from curbside and only have a driver working the route.
The recycle bin lids are yellow to differentiate them from the garbage bins, where the lids match the bin color. At least in my suburban area. Guess they could have chosen a different contrasting color, but they apparently wanted something clearly different to users and sanitation workers could easily see the difference.
The sidewalk ramps are yellow to provide high contrast for visually impaired pedestrians, to clearly see where the sidewalk ends, and the street begins. With brick colored sidewalks and brick colored cross-walks, brick colored ADA ramps don't provide sufficient contrast.
Are the new large bins being distributed to everyone? I am certainly tired of the blue bins as I have outgrown the two that I have now. Last week I had two garbage bags filled with Styrofoam and another "regular" type garbage can filled with cut up cardboard boxes alongside my two blue bins. (Xmas trash) The collector only took the contents of the blue bins and left everything else. Sorry to say it all went on the curb for the regular trash.
I would welcome the large bins... if I get one... 8)
The lids could have been blue like the old recycle bins bins to distinguish them from the garbage can. The yellow is just too obnoxious.
The brick colored alert pads on the sidewalk ramps meet the ADA requirements for contrast. I asked the Director of Public Works, Jim Robiinson, himself at a meeting three weeks ago.
What color is the main part of your bin? Where I am, the garbage and recycle bins are blue, so yellow is an obvious color difference.
DId not realize that about the brick-color ADA pads - wonder why the city spec'd yellow for the Riverside area?
Quote from: BridgeTroll on January 12, 2015, 08:53:38 AM
Are the new large bins being distributed to everyone? I am certainly tired of the blue bins as I have outgrown the two that I have now. Last week I had two garbage bags filled with Styrofoam and another "regular" type garbage can filled with cut up cardboard boxes alongside my two blue bins. (Xmas trash) The collector only took the contents of the blue bins and left everything else. Sorry to say it all went on the curb for the regular trash.
I would welcome the large bins... if I get one... 8)
My understanding that all of the city will be using them eventually. I believe the city is broken into a few zones with each zone under separate contracts. As the old contracts expire the new ones require the company responsible for collection to provide the new bins.
In my area, the garbage bins are dark green with same color lids. The recycle bins are dark green with the yellow lids.
Quote from: Charles Hunter on January 12, 2015, 02:51:05 PM
What color is the main part of your bin? Where I am, the garbage and recycle bins are blue, so yellow is an obvious color difference.
DId not realize that about the brick-color ADA pads - wonder why the city spec'd yellow for the Riverside area?
The City provided bins in Riverside are gray; obviously recycled plastic....very neutral color. I've described them as elephants with blond wigs. I've heard some of the ones in other parts of the City that are provided by the contractors as giant Lego pieces. What were they thinking?
Some of the ADA pads in Riverside are the brick color, but all of the newer ones are safety yellow. We are exploring how to get them replaced or painted the brick color.
Quote from: Dog Walker on January 14, 2015, 02:47:13 PM
Quote from: Charles Hunter on January 12, 2015, 02:51:05 PM
What color is the main part of your bin? Where I am, the garbage and recycle bins are blue, so yellow is an obvious color difference.
DId not realize that about the brick-color ADA pads - wonder why the city spec'd yellow for the Riverside area?
The City provided bins in Riverside are gray; obviously recycled plastic....very neutral color. I've described them as elephants with blond wigs. I've heard some of the ones in other parts of the City that are provided by the contractors as giant Lego pieces. What were they thinking?
Some of the ADA pads in Riverside are the brick color, but all of the newer ones are safety yellow. We are exploring how to get them replaced or painted the brick color.
Good luck on getting the City to change out all the yellow ADA pads in Riverside - did you see the story about the City not being able to afford keeping the streets maintained? Not sure if painting them would meet ADA - if it made them slick?
Because they are glued down as well as screwed down, the yellow pads cannot be taken up and reused elsewhere. They break up when they are removed. I heard tge figure of $28K to replace them all, but don't know where that estimate came from.
They are knobby and textured so paint probably wouldn't make them slippery. It might wear through on the knobs though and make rows of yellow dots on a field of brick color...stylish!
The Yellow Lid is way too much. It's a great privilege to be aware of such.
Will be spray painting mine Avondale Green. I'll leave Yellow corners or other effective yet blessedly subtle hint of Official Color,but the rest is going Camo.
Even if the Yell!Oh! lid ends up totally painted over,it's not like the thing will be mistaken for something else.
Cheers!
Not sure if someone put a bug in the city's ear, but the new ADA pads on Park St. are brick colored.
Quote from: riverside_mail on January 29, 2015, 10:19:48 AM
Not sure if someone put a bug in the city's ear, but the new ADA pads on Park St. are brick colored.
Thanks to RAP they are not putting down anymore of the yellow ones. Visually all the safety yellow stuff hits your eyes like loud horns and sirens hit your ears.
.............the bins are equipped with GPS sensor, yes?
Whine about color on handicap ramps at sidewalks? What a wasted motion. Y'all are way too blessed. There are still parts of the city that don't have ramps and live with header curbs and heaved slabs. ........as my dad's scooter often finds.
The City made an settlement with the Feds about our sidewalks in some parts of the City not meeting ADA requirements. As part of the settlement they must come into compliance on ALL of the streets in the City. They are starting with the older areas like Riverside and Springfield since they have the most density of non-conforming curbs.
They need to start addressing the conditions of the sidewalks to make sure the scooters can pass down them safely, but we would rather spend millions on huge scoreboards than properly maintain our streets and sidewalks. Public Works is starved for funding.
QuotePublic Works is starved for funding.
Thank you Mr. Mayor.....people look around at our problems, look at the man in charge of the problems the last 4 years. If you don't have a sidewalk or potholes and Public Works is a broken record, look at what "I'm With Alvin" has done for the city. Vote May 19 for a new record, the old one is broken.
Quote from: stephendare on April 22, 2015, 08:20:08 PM
Quote from: mtraininjax on April 22, 2015, 06:34:39 PM
QuotePublic Works is starved for funding.
Thank you Mr. Mayor.....people look around at our problems, look at the man in charge of the problems the last 4 years. If you don't have a sidewalk or potholes and Public Works is a broken record, look at what "I'm With Alvin" has done for the city. Vote May 19 for a new record, the old one is broken.
Yeah. that asshole. He failed to pull millions of dollars out of thin air, while the Republican governor of the state was steadily reducing taxes and cutting the budgets that pay for those kinds of things.
But Im surprised to see you take the stance that Alvin should have steeply raised taxes in the middle of the Depression. Its nice to know that we agree on something, even if Alvin doesn't have the power to actually do that. (City Council is in charge of the legislation).
Its too bad that those guys were busy creating a low tax, no services environment for moral purity. We might have gotten some of those things done.
The budget the mayor proposed was a complete joke. There is plenty of blame to go around.
QuoteIt was within the actual money that the City Council sent to him. Which made it a complete joke.
Blaming the Mayor's budget on the City Council is probably the dumbest thing you have ever uttered.
Quote from: stephendare on April 22, 2015, 08:20:08 PM
... He failed to pull millions of dollars out of thin air...
That's what City Council is for, right?
QuoteCity Council group finds $12M in unused taxpayer dollars
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/news/local/city-council-group-finds-12m-unused-taxpayer-dolla/njxdZ/
The City Council group reviewing all of the capital improvement projects in the city found $12 million taxpayer dollars sitting unused.
"We've been told there isn't any money to do road projects with. Now here's $12 million," said councilwoman Lori Boyer.
She has spent months poring through city accounting reports. Each time, she said more taxpayer money starts popping up.
"It seems like there should be an easy way to get answers," said Boyer.
Quote from: stephendare on April 22, 2015, 11:37:01 PM
Turns out you actually have to tax people if they want the kind of services that go along with being a real city.
Kind of helps if you know where that tax money is going first.
QuoteTurns out you actually have to tax people if they want the kind of services that go along with being a real city.
That's if you know how to do math and can actually balance a budget, which he has failed to achieve in the last 4 years. Good to know people on the council can do math and realize that borrowing money to pay for basic services is a no-no.
Where is that city audit of the books again? When is it to be completed? Raise the minimum wage for city workers, but how do you plan to pay for it Mr. Mayor? Oh yeah, that 20% of your salary which has been spent 18x to Sunday, and of course, the pot-luck and spaghetti dinners, why not a good ol' suthern' FISH FRY?
Well, today,finally,well in to a lazy Friday afternoon and a six pack of Mad Manatee and a can of spray paint (one of life's finest moments!! 8) )........the Recycle "Can" obnoxious Safety Yellow Top subdued.Carefully taped off certain areas,then painted the signature obnoxious Alert Warning color Lid with Professional Avondale Green.
Much easier on the eyes 24/7
Any Idiot can see this remains a COJ RECYCLE bin even after professionally Subdued.
I did paint over the GPS node- will be interesting to track response.
:-\ Can you explain why you felt the need to spray paint over recycle bins which COJ provided with information asking not to paint over, not to disregard the number assigned to your house & GPS mode , and paint w/ what you call "Avondale green"? Why do you think you are 'special"? Your arrogance is pretty ugly. You are so proud of this brilliant 'civil disobedience' you brag on MJ? Why don't you spend your time doing something constructive for the community instead of being an assshole? Seriously "civil disobedience over a recycle bin"? So, what's next? Putting your computer and electronic crap in trash for a landfill? You are the guy who has 23 items and tries to get by in 10 items or less at Publix. You are the guy who refuses to pick up dog poop. You are the guy who trashes a public park, thinking "somebody else will pick it up". You are the guy who bitches about what kind of craft beer is the best. You are the guy who parks his car in the middle of a two space place, thinking you will not get your car nicked. You are the guy who takes a 6 top for a 2 person meal. You are the guy who speeds down Post Street because 'laws" don't apply to you. What a bold person you must be?!?! Unimpressed.
QuoteUnimpressed.
+1
Or as Stephen so eloquently often states....YAWWWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNN!
Do people think their cans have GPS tracking devices?
They might have a smart chip in them for statistical or identification purposes, but no way do they have a GPS unit in them. That takes electricity.
I painted the alert yellow, super-ugly top of my bin the same blue as the old recycle bins and Solid Waste refused to pick it up. After I ridiculed that decision to everybody in the City government I know, Jim Robinson reversed that decision and said that Solid Waste would pick up a recycle bin with any color top as long at it could be distinguished from a regular garbage bin.
The fact that so many of you are so up in arms over the yellow lids is quite funny to me. Are you really that sensitive? Do you need a hug?
Seriously, just send me your address and I'll be there within 24 hours with a can of chicken noodle soup, a hug and some words of encouragement. It's the least I can do to ease the stress some of you are dealing with.
If someone were to march up and down your street with one of those portable air horns blowing it over and over again you would object. To those of us who are sensitive to visual stimulus the alert yellow being plastered everywhere has the same effect.
As a safety measure it has its place, just as a blowing horn does, but repeated everywhere it is obnoxious and looses its effectiveness as a way of drawing attention to a danger.
Do recycle bins really need the equivalent of a scream to distinguish them from regular garbage cans?
Quote from: Dog Walker on May 24, 2015, 12:27:19 PM
If someone were to march up and down your street with one of those portable air horns blowing it over and over again you would object. To those of us who are sensitive to visual stimulus the alert yellow being plastered everywhere has the same effect.
As a safety measure it has its place, just as a blowing horn does, but repeated everywhere it is obnoxious and looses its effectiveness as a way of drawing attention to a danger.
Do recycle bins really need the equivalent of a scream to distinguish them from regular garbage cans?
So you chose to paint someone else's property because it was 'visually unappealing' to you? Not much different (in theory) than someone who tags walls is it?
Sounds kinda hypocritical to me, DW, but carry on.
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No problem with my vision other than being near sighted as a mole and red=green colorblind. It's a congenital distaste for ugly, out-of-place visual stimulus. I am an art collector and love brightly painted houses since I can see what colors they really are. Pink is beige to me.
Have you ever been near a construction site for a long time and had to listen to the beep-beep-beep for hours? Hard to tune out, no?
Safety yellow, also called alert yellow is the visual equivalent of someone shouting at you. It has its place which is why school buses are that color.
LOOK OUT!
Doesn't belong in front of every house in the neighborhood.
If they had used purple or pink it wouldn't have had the same jarring effect. Only blaze orange, used on hunting vests, would have been worse.
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on May 23, 2015, 01:04:44 PM
The fact that so many of you are so up in arms over the yellow lids is quite funny to me. Are you really that sensitive? Do you need a hug?
Seriously, just send me your address and I'll be there within 24 hours with a can of chicken noodle soup, a hug and some words of encouragement. It's the least I can do to ease the stress some of you are dealing with.
Again, this guerilla protest has to be the most immature, narcissistic, unaware or care about others in the community...........I give you painters a trophy of dog shit. No GPS, I meant they have tracked each bin to an address, and told not to damage, destroy or alter the recycle bins provided by COJ. But, Mr. Avondale Green feels he is so entitled to his own thoughts and belligerent actions he drank a six pack & painted over COJ property.
Kudos to you, asshole. You are the picture of the entitled white guy who sit his in yard yelling for people to get off his lawn. Paint your recycle cans and brag about it on social media as if you have solved some friggin real problem. You suck. You're wrong, walk it off.
Quote from: Dog Walker on May 24, 2015, 12:27:19 PM
If someone were to march up and down your street with one of those portable air horns blowing it over and over again you would object. To those of us who are sensitive to visual stimulus the alert yellow being plastered everywhere has the same effect.
As a safety measure it has its place, just as a blowing horn does, but repeated everywhere it is obnoxious and looses its effectiveness as a way of drawing attention to a danger.
Do recycle bins really need the equivalent of a scream to distinguish them from regular garbage cans?
"Sensitive to visual stimulus" ? What the friggin fuck? Are you serious or just a old ass guy who wants to bitch about life. Recycle cans do not equate with a friggin' bullhorn up and down the street. You are a grumpy, unpleasant, unhappy, hateful individual who thinks the world revolves around him and his white maleness. YOur argument is so full of dog excrements, its hard to respond, but I did out of courtesy to you.
I ask you to please consider living living in a community with some social norms or social responses. It will be good for you, I assure you.
Painting over recycle bins like they are curing the cause of cancer. Sad they have nothing else important in their lives to work on.
If you don't like it, just stop recycling... no big deal.
and Jax Native, did someone kick your dog and take a box full of ballpoints? did the post really piss you off that much? What is white maleness and is it different from black maleness? are you feeling better this morning?
I am an old, white, upbeat, happy individual deeply involved in my community of Riverside and ready to laugh at my own idiosyncrasies. Painting the lid of my recycle bin was petty fun and a minor protest against City bureaucracy. Nothing serious.
I've actually swapped the small bin they gave me at first, the one that I painted, with one of the larger bins since we recycle a lot, and haven't even bothered to paint the top of the new one. Made my point with Solid Waste the first time.
Laugh with me at the silliness.
Wait, people are complaining about the yellow lids? I guess I'm weird because I complain about the people in my neighborhood who use the yellow recycle bins for their trash and the trash bins for their recyclables.
I wonder, if their is a correlation between the people who do not like the yellow lids to the people who did not like the use of palm trees in Shad Kahn's renderings for the Shipyards? ;D
(Palm Trees? Shipyards water renderings were certifiably fake- just goes to show the role and effect of Visual Image, Landscape....)
Was within Leon county last week and the area I was in was obviously Giant Matching Bin Placement Day; one there,and there,and there,and.....yea,over there. No "Safety Yellow" in sight.
At this point,I might just smother the remaining vestiges of COJ supplied container Yeller over in...skip Avondale Green in favor of Leon Hue.
As if Jacksonville "Woke Up". An act of Civil Obedience. Come arrest me! Attach Lien! We'll have a grand Press Conference that will be sure to go Recycle Viral. Carl Hiaasen probably curious.We'll get the COJ General Counsel office to render an opinion as to Assigned Unit use and disposition legalities, fines. I'll role my multi color Bin to the curbside of a dilapidated Mayor Delaney/Better Jacksonville era re-paved street, fan out over the street and mark obvious decline/patch in safety yellow.Probably easily morph to discussion of latest neighborhood assault location,right there in the midst of Safety Yellow discussion. Yep,this discussion can go Plaid. No Sir!-we did not see you toying with your COJ Can! Prepare To Prepare! Jam the Can Chip radar! Canballs! Comb the streets for altered lids!
On a more meaningful note,Thank You to the City of Jacksonville for these efforts at revision and upgrade.Lot's of work there. We as citizens,even tax payers might not know of the efforts,details and plain hard work.Duval is not alone in the revision.
The manufacturer that won the Bid thanks all too. (Perhaps they had a bunch of "Safety Yellow" lids,$$$$ saving Deal... 8) )
Be glad you have a new bin. I'm still taping together my old blue ones