Well I would love nothing more than to say I am shocked, but I am not... After seeing the lengths people were going to just to destroy the Annie Lytle School, and reading the post of someone trying to burn down the Seminole Club, this doesn't surprise me at all. I rode by there about a month ago and some of the windows appeared to have been shattered out, but I just wrote it off as bad installation. This however means they have been facing more problems than I thought. I looked into it, as I was going to move in there before I decided to move to Springfield and they said opening was going to be October, but according to that article it said January. I have also heard people say November. Needless to say that project looks like it is really struggling with some of the things I have seen from the vandals to the not having enough money to pay workers claims and an underwhelming amount of pre-lease tenants accusations. I really hope this is a starting point for JSO to take the vandalizing much more serious, but only time will tell... This fiasco none the less flooded the 4th floor down and will cost the company around 150 thousand dollars.
http://www.news4jax.com/news/vandals-damage-upscale-apartments-being-built-near-riverside/29259710 (http://www.news4jax.com/news/vandals-damage-upscale-apartments-being-built-near-riverside/29259710)
Quote from: AuditoreEnterprise on October 22, 2014, 09:21:17 AM
Well I would love nothing more than to say I am shocked, but I am not... After seeing the lengths people were going to just to destroy the Annie Lytle School, and reading the post of someone trying to burn down the Seminole Club, this doesn't surprise me at all. I rode by there about a month ago and some of the windows appeared to have been shattered out, but I just wrote it off as bad installation. This however means they have been facing more problems than I thought. I looked into it, as I was going to move in there before I decided to move to Springfield and they said opening was going to be October, but according to that article it said January. I have also heard people say November. Needless to say that project looks like it is really struggling with some of the things I have seen from the vandals to the not having enough money to pay workers claims and an underwhelming amount of pre-lease tenants accusations. I really hope this is a starting point for JSO to take the vandalizing much more serious, but only time will tell... This fiasco none the less flooded the 4th floor down and will cost the company around 150 thousand dollars.
http://www.news4jax.com/news/vandals-damage-upscale-apartments-being-built-near-riverside/29259710 (http://www.news4jax.com/news/vandals-damage-upscale-apartments-being-built-near-riverside/29259710)
This is a simple problem to solve. The company can pay employees who have registered weapons to work overnight shifts watching the property. If anyone is caught by said employees attempting to vandalize, shoot them immediately. Once a few of these perps are given permanent dirt naps, the rest of these hoodlums wouldn't dare return.
Sad to say, but my prejudice says it is probably a union issue.
I'm sure they have insurance for this kind of stuff right?
Quote from: Bolles_Bull on October 22, 2014, 09:57:32 AM
I'm sure they have insurance for this kind of stuff right?
of course.
Quote from: stephendare on October 22, 2014, 09:48:25 AM
you know, wardamjagfan, there is a forum for this kind of pointless posting. Have you checked out Jacksonville.com?
The other alternative is simply paying the cops, who are already armed, so that they can do their jobs without some jackass deciding that a tax break that no one notices is more important than keeping your contract with their pensions.
Oh I'm sorry, did someone forget that it's perfectly legal to use lethal force to defend private property? Looks to be the case here.
Quote from: WarDamJagFan on October 22, 2014, 10:09:30 AM
Oh I'm sorry, did someone forget that it's perfectly legal to use lethal force to defend private property? Looks to be the case here.
I sincerely hope this is a hoax account...
Quote from: InnerCityPressure on October 22, 2014, 10:11:13 AM
Quote from: WarDamJagFan on October 22, 2014, 10:09:30 AM
Oh I'm sorry, did someone forget that it's perfectly legal to use lethal force to defend private property? Looks to be the case here.
I sincerely hope this is a hoax account...
If paying cops to patrol an area actually worked, then we wouldn't see such a huge continuation of violence in the Moncrief area would we? Sometimes, it's perfectly ok to let private citizens take care of private property. It's not exactly a hard concept to understand.
Quote from: stephendare on October 22, 2014, 10:18:04 AM
Quote from: InnerCityPressure on October 22, 2014, 10:11:13 AM
Quote from: WarDamJagFan on October 22, 2014, 10:09:30 AM
Oh I'm sorry, did someone forget that it's perfectly legal to use lethal force to defend private property? Looks to be the case here.
I sincerely hope this is a hoax account...
We had about five accounts sign up the same week, innercitypressure.
One of them was an outright hoax account, meant to stir things up in Springfield.
One began making nonsense posts on Jacksonville history, and two started chiming in with right wing comments.
Not necessarily related, but we have similar things happen when people want to disrupt the forums to prevent people from discussing things that they don't want the public to think about.
No, this is not a hoax account. This is my only one. And heaven forbid it be an account in which someone has different viewpoints than Stephen Dare.
Quote from: stephendare on October 22, 2014, 10:22:13 AM
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Quote from: WarDamJagFan on October 22, 2014, 10:09:30 AM
Oh I'm sorry, did someone forget that it's perfectly legal to use lethal force to defend private property? Looks to be the case here.
I sincerely hope this is a hoax account...
If paying cops to patrol an area actually worked, then we wouldn't see such a huge continuation of violence in the Moncrief area would we? Sometimes, it's perfectly ok to let private citizens take care of private property. It's not exactly a hard concept to understand.
Apparently it is, since you think that armed citizens shooting each other is a problem that can only be solved by armed citizens shooting each other.
No, that's not my assumption for Moncrief. That area is lost due to the culture that has an iron grip around it. Most people there are not armed for personal protection. They are armed because they are involved in the drug/gang turf wars. But for normal areas of town where crime is NOT pervasive, owning firearms and using them only when necessary is completely legal, and makes much more sense than waiting on cops. Yes, it's great having policemen, but they can't be everywhere all the time to prevent crime from happening.
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Quote from: WarDamJagFan on October 22, 2014, 10:09:30 AM
Oh I'm sorry, did someone forget that it's perfectly legal to use lethal force to defend private property? Looks to be the case here.
I sincerely hope this is a hoax account...
If paying cops to patrol an area actually worked, then we wouldn't see such a huge continuation of violence in the Moncrief area would we? Sometimes, it's perfectly ok to let private citizens take care of private property. It's not exactly a hard concept to understand.
Apparently it is, since you think that armed citizens shooting each other is a problem that can only be solved by armed citizens shooting each other.
No, that's not my assumption for Moncrief. That area is lost due to the culture that has an iron grip around it. Most people there are not armed for personal protection. They are armed because they are involved in the drug/gang turf wars. But for normal areas of town where crime is NOT pervasive, owning firearms and using them only when necessary is completely legal, and makes much more sense than waiting on cops. Yes, it's great having policemen, but they can't be everywhere all the time to prevent crime from happening.
Who, exactly? Like which neighbor in Moncrief would you say has lost the 'culture'?
Have you ever been over there? Which shop owner have you discussed this with?
There are shootings reported in the news almost daily, and for whatever reason, nobody ever seems to know anything about what happened. I don't have to speak to anyone in particular to figure out that area has gone to waste. The news and crime statistics speak for themselves.
Quote from: WarDamJagFan on October 22, 2014, 10:09:30 AM
Oh I'm sorry, did someone forget that it's perfectly legal to use lethal force to defend private property? Looks to be the case here.
uh
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Quote from: WarDamJagFan on October 22, 2014, 10:27:16 AM
Quote from: stephendare on October 22, 2014, 10:22:13 AM
Quote from: WarDamJagFan on October 22, 2014, 10:19:35 AM
Quote from: InnerCityPressure on October 22, 2014, 10:11:13 AM
Quote from: WarDamJagFan on October 22, 2014, 10:09:30 AM
Oh I'm sorry, did someone forget that it's perfectly legal to use lethal force to defend private property? Looks to be the case here.
I sincerely hope this is a hoax account...
If paying cops to patrol an area actually worked, then we wouldn't see such a huge continuation of violence in the Moncrief area would we? Sometimes, it's perfectly ok to let private citizens take care of private property. It's not exactly a hard concept to understand.
Apparently it is, since you think that armed citizens shooting each other is a problem that can only be solved by armed citizens shooting each other.
No, that's not my assumption for Moncrief. That area is lost due to the culture that has an iron grip around it. Most people there are not armed for personal protection. They are armed because they are involved in the drug/gang turf wars. But for normal areas of town where crime is NOT pervasive, owning firearms and using them only when necessary is completely legal, and makes much more sense than waiting on cops. Yes, it's great having policemen, but they can't be everywhere all the time to prevent crime from happening.
Who, exactly? Like which neighbor in Moncrief would you say has lost the 'culture'?
Have you ever been over there? Which shop owner have you discussed this with?
And why did you suddenly switch to issues in a black neighborhood, when this is a crime in a white neighborhood, committed by white teenagers on bikes?
I guess you changed your last reply to add in that last statement, which obviously deserves a response. I did not turn this into a race issue, you just did. I gave a clear cut example - in response to your argument about just hiring police to patrol 220 Riverside - about how extra police presence doesn't always work. And the CLEAREST example of this that everyone in Jacksonville knows about is the Moncrief area. There was ZERO mention of race in my comments. This has nothing to do with race whatsoever, so please pipe down on your race baiting.
This truly is a shame. Don't they have security cameras?
Quote from: stephendare on October 22, 2014, 10:18:04 AMOne began making nonsense posts on Jacksonville history, and two started chiming in with right wing comments.
I've been accused of being "right wing" (certainly more so than "left wing") but I wouldn't agree with the idea that tremendous property damage is a killing offense. I would agree with the concept of armed guards as a detriment, though, but if they had to use their weapon, hopefully they would be trying not to kill. (Besides, killing someone on your property causes a lot more problems in the long run.)
One of the things to consider here is, what if someone had been in one of the lower apartments, and not been able to get out of there before water flooded the area? Yeah, it didn't happen. Yeah, the kids expect the apartments to be empty. But what if they aren't? What if something happened as a result of the vandalism that led to injury or loss of life?
Not really any easy answers here. More cops likely wouldn't do that much, either. You'd have to have multiple police patrolling one set of apartments at all times, and no city has that many officers. We have laws against this kind of stuff, so the best thing to do would be to find the vandals and prosecute them as strongly as possible, and also make sure people are aware of how much such acts harm the community and ask the community to help watch out for such acts.
Didn't something similar happen to the Hilton hotel on Kings Avenue while it was under construction? Delayed completion several months, if I recall.
Bunch of savages in this town.
I was so PO'd hearing this. So senseless...
Quote from: ErikSetzer on October 22, 2014, 11:22:45 AM
Quote from: stephendare on October 22, 2014, 10:18:04 AMOne began making nonsense posts on Jacksonville history, and two started chiming in with right wing comments.
I've been accused of being "right wing" (certainly more so than "left wing") but I wouldn't agree with the idea that tremendous property damage is a killing offense. I would agree with the concept of armed guards as a detriment, though, but if they had to use their weapon, hopefully they would be trying not to kill. (Besides, killing someone on your property causes a lot more problems in the long run.)
One of the things to consider here is, what if someone had been in one of the lower apartments, and not been able to get out of there before water flooded the area? Yeah, it didn't happen. Yeah, the kids expect the apartments to be empty. But what if they aren't? What if something happened as a result of the vandalism that led to injury or loss of life?
Not really any easy answers here. More cops likely wouldn't do that much, either. You'd have to have multiple police patrolling one set of apartments at all times, and no city has that many officers. We have laws against this kind of stuff, so the best thing to do would be to find the vandals and prosecute them as strongly as possible, and also make sure people are aware of how much such acts harm the community and ask the community to help watch out for such acts.
I believe most of the units already had if not all... most of the drywall in it. And you are absolutely right someone could have been hurt had they been inside sleeping or something. It is one thing to go in and explore, but to go cause 150k in damages is ridiculous. I know they have a guard on duty, but the real question is how was it able to run for an hour without being noticed. It must have taken a while to find the water main up there. So did the guard not have instructions to check all the floors during his rounds? or did he just not make rounds at all? Maybe it is good they did not come to confrontation as we may have seen a whole different headline here. Needless to say people should have better sense than to go do something like that.
Quote from: InnerCityPressure on October 22, 2014, 10:11:13 AM
I sincerely hope this is a hoax account...
I opened my hoax account about 4 1/2 years ago.... ;)
Quote from: Traveller on October 22, 2014, 11:28:28 AM
Didn't something similar happen to the Hilton hotel on Kings Avenue while it was under construction? Delayed completion several months, if I recall.
Bunch of savages in this town.
It was after a Jags game, Colts game I believe...
But no, it wasn't under construction. That leaking main did about $1.5-2M in damage.
Quote from: stephendare on October 22, 2014, 11:40:41 AM
Quote from: WarDamJagFan on October 22, 2014, 10:37:40 AM
Quote from: stephendare on October 22, 2014, 10:29:46 AM
Quote from: WarDamJagFan on October 22, 2014, 10:27:16 AM
Quote from: stephendare on October 22, 2014, 10:22:13 AM
Quote from: WarDamJagFan on October 22, 2014, 10:19:35 AM
Quote from: InnerCityPressure on October 22, 2014, 10:11:13 AM
Quote from: WarDamJagFan on October 22, 2014, 10:09:30 AM
Oh I'm sorry, did someone forget that it's perfectly legal to use lethal force to defend private property? Looks to be the case here.
I sincerely hope this is a hoax account...
If paying cops to patrol an area actually worked, then we wouldn't see such a huge continuation of violence in the Moncrief area would we? Sometimes, it's perfectly ok to let private citizens take care of private property. It's not exactly a hard concept to understand.
Apparently it is, since you think that armed citizens shooting each other is a problem that can only be solved by armed citizens shooting each other.
No, that's not my assumption for Moncrief. That area is lost due to the culture that has an iron grip around it. Most people there are not armed for personal protection. They are armed because they are involved in the drug/gang turf wars. But for normal areas of town where crime is NOT pervasive, owning firearms and using them only when necessary is completely legal, and makes much more sense than waiting on cops. Yes, it's great having policemen, but they can't be everywhere all the time to prevent crime from happening.
Who, exactly? Like which neighbor in Moncrief would you say has lost the 'culture'?
Have you ever been over there? Which shop owner have you discussed this with?
And why did you suddenly switch to issues in a black neighborhood, when this is a crime in a white neighborhood, committed by white teenagers on bikes?
I guess you changed your last reply to add in that last statement, which obviously deserves a response. I did not turn this into a race issue, you just did. I gave a clear cut example - in response to your argument about just hiring police to patrol 220 Riverside - about how extra police presence doesn't always work. And the CLEAREST example of this that everyone in Jacksonville knows about is the Moncrief area. There was ZERO mention of race in my comments. This has nothing to do with race whatsoever, so please pipe down on your race baiting.
I guess you are used to debating with idiots?
So why did you switch from this white kid crime in a white neighborhood---- where you advocated shooting the teenagers, it bears noting---- to discussing the 'cultural' problems of a black neighborhood that you've never been to?
Used to debating with idiots - similar to liberals like yourself - absolutely! It's the same narrative every single time. Somehow, the liberal finds a way to spin a debate into a race issue no matter what's being discussed. Hence my lovely avatar. And now that I thought of it, I'm surprised you didn't get upset when I mentioned the property owners should shoot the trespassers. Actually, no I'm not. Because they are white. Liberals tend to not get upset when someone mentions a white person getting shot :)
Quote from: stephendare on October 22, 2014, 10:29:46 AM
Quote from: WarDamJagFan on October 22, 2014, 10:27:16 AM
Quote from: stephendare on October 22, 2014, 10:22:13 AM
Quote from: WarDamJagFan on October 22, 2014, 10:19:35 AM
Quote from: InnerCityPressure on October 22, 2014, 10:11:13 AM
Quote from: WarDamJagFan on October 22, 2014, 10:09:30 AM
Oh I'm sorry, did someone forget that it's perfectly legal to use lethal force to defend private property? Looks to be the case here.
I sincerely hope this is a hoax account...
If paying cops to patrol an area actually worked, then we wouldn't see such a huge continuation of violence in the Moncrief area would we? Sometimes, it's perfectly ok to let private citizens take care of private property. It's not exactly a hard concept to understand.
Apparently it is, since you think that armed citizens shooting each other is a problem that can only be solved by armed citizens shooting each other.
No, that's not my assumption for Moncrief. That area is lost due to the culture that has an iron grip around it. Most people there are not armed for personal protection. They are armed because they are involved in the drug/gang turf wars. But for normal areas of town where crime is NOT pervasive, owning firearms and using them only when necessary is completely legal, and makes much more sense than waiting on cops. Yes, it's great having policemen, but they can't be everywhere all the time to prevent crime from happening.
Who, exactly? Like which neighbor in Moncrief would you say has lost the 'culture'?
Have you ever been over there? Which shop owner have you discussed this with?
And why did you suddenly switch to issues in a black neighborhood, when this is a crime in a white neighborhood, committed by white teenagers on bikes?
Why yes, it's called operation Cease Fire. Perhaps you've heard of it? Obviously, it's just JPD being racist.
http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2014-07-11/story/operation-ceasefire-rolls-another-teen-shot-jacksonville-friday
Before the point is lost, I think it would be worth mentioning that it is not legal to shoot someone for damaging the pipes of a building, even if left unrepaired more damage is likely.
There is room for protection of one's property, but this is not the wild west. If gun's solved all problems so neatly, then the Moncrief area, as described above, would be much more peaceful.
Quote from: stephendare on October 22, 2014, 03:02:08 PM
Sorry, I didn't see the part where there were 365 shootings last year on Moncreif. To be honest it sounds like you are exaggerating about something in place of actually knowing what you are talking about.
But that still doesn't explain why you brought up shooting people on Moncrief in a thread about a group of white kids vandalizing an upscale apartment project in an upscale white neighborhood.....
White kids? Where did you get that info from?
Nope, the teenagers race is not mentioned in the article.
Yea I certainly don't see any reference in the story linked about the race of the teens.
Well child you did say to 'read' the article if you want to get technical.
Fair enough. Didn't have a chance to watch the video yet.
Quote from: stephendare on October 22, 2014, 09:52:03 AM
Because unions are pretty powerful here? More likely one of the local tea party people doesn't want a successful urban core.
Of course in reality, its just teens.
It pays to read the original article before commenting.
No, Stephen, it pays to have lived a life, not be a slave to a narrative for the gullible, and to know with certainty that a media article or video is not necessarily the gospel and to know with certainty that a security guard who curiously doesn't notice a damn thing on the property for a substantial time period (water main ran for damn near 90 minutes !?!) but somehow saw four WHITE teenagers running from the building? Sorry, but that guy is to be doubted.
You see, Stephen, it pays to question what we're told -- surprising that I have to remind *you* of that, isn't it !?!
Sorry that I seem to have pricked your union label but you'd be a fool to not know this type of vandalism wouldn't be the first time something happened because of some construction dispute or another, use of non-preferred labor, etc. You're not a property virgin. You know better.
Now, I don't know for certain what happened there (neither do you or any of the rest of us) and it may simply be white teenager vandalism.
SARC What can you do with white kids these days, right?
/SARC But I also know damn well that may not be the case. Whether you want to believe it or not. If they pull some prints or find some video that can identify the white teenagers, cool. Until then, I'll remain suspicious thank you, kindly.
Quote from: WarDamJagFan on October 22, 2014, 10:09:30 AM
Quote from: stephendare on October 22, 2014, 09:48:25 AM
you know, wardamjagfan, there is a forum for this kind of pointless posting. Have you checked out Jacksonville.com?
The other alternative is simply paying the cops, who are already armed, so that they can do their jobs without some jackass deciding that a tax break that no one notices is more important than keeping your contract with their pensions.
Oh I'm sorry, did someone forget that it's perfectly legal to use lethal force to defend private property? Looks to be the case here.
It's comments like this that fuel anti-gun sentiment. You should become pen pals with Ted Nugent. He would love you.
We had somewhere from 20-25 washers and dryers stolen over the life of the buildout where I live. We even caught thieves trying to steal an AC unit off the pad to get to the copper in the condenser. The model home was broken into some 12, 13 times before they finally hired a FT security guard. They even got 2 fridges before they bolted the third one down.
I can't even tell you how much construction wood was stolen before they were assembled.
Quote from: spuwho on October 22, 2014, 09:21:06 PM
We had somewhere from 20-25 washers and dryers stolen over the life of the buildout where I live. We even caught thieves trying to steal an AC unit off the pad to get to the copper in the condenser. The model home was broken into some 12, 13 times before they finally hired a FT security guard. They even got 2 fridges before they bolted the third one down.
I can't even tell you how much construction wood was stolen before they were assembled.
When times were good, this wasn't a problem. As the bubble was bursting, I had to turn in numerous installation crews over to JSO.
The grift is as follows: You have homes that are ready for appliances, they deliver 1-3 homes at the end of the day and 'don't have time' to install the equipment. When you get in the next morning, everything is gone. And surprisingly in my case, it was usually the same guys that did the delivery. It started as random occurrences but became more frequent. This happened 2-3 times before I picked up on it, and the first time I caught them, I just had them install the appliances and leave. After that I just called JSO and had the cell number to the same detective that I would call when it happened.
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on October 22, 2014, 09:42:38 PM
Quote from: spuwho on October 22, 2014, 09:21:06 PM
We had somewhere from 20-25 washers and dryers stolen over the life of the buildout where I live. We even caught thieves trying to steal an AC unit off the pad to get to the copper in the condenser. The model home was broken into some 12, 13 times before they finally hired a FT security guard. They even got 2 fridges before they bolted the third one down.
I can't even tell you how much construction wood was stolen before they were assembled.
When times were good, this wasn't a problem. As the bubble was bursting, I had to turn in numerous installation crews over to JSO.
The grift is as follows: You have homes that are ready for appliances, they deliver 1-3 homes at the end of the day and 'don't have time' to install the equipment. When you get in the next morning, everything is gone. And surprisingly in my case, it was usually the same guys that did the delivery. It started as random occurrences but became more frequent. This happened 2-3 times before I picked up on it, and the first time I caught them, I just had them install the appliances and leave. After that I just called JSO and had the cell number to the same detective that I would call when it happened.
After all the theft the builder decided to have the appliances installed the day before the family moved in, but after the loan closed. Unfortunately, the people who deliver must not have gotten the word, because we had break ins after the families moved in. People were stunned to find two guys in their utility room trying to get the dryer out the side window. (They dropped the dryer and dove out the window). After that it stopped.
So Stephen, while living that non-gullible life you've never heard of a low-paid security guard being paid to provide a story *and* given a prop for the gullible !?!
A bike? A bike? FOUR TEENAGERS !?!
Okay, man. Believe what you like. I'll remain suspicious. I believe I do have that right.
Ironically and sadly, I actually did feel like I was on Jacksonvile.com after seeing multiple pages of WarDamJagFan and Stephen Dare's bickering... 4 pages of comments that should really be around 1 and a half of topical contribution.
Quote from: marty904 on October 23, 2014, 07:53:35 AM
Ironically and sadly, I actually did feel like I was on Jacksonvile.com after seeing multiple pages of WarDamJagFan and Stephen Dare's bickering... 4 pages of comments that should really be around 1 and a half of topical contribution.
+1
Can't believe this thread has made it so far.
Didn't realize vandals in construction sites were newsworthy. Kind of goes with the territory.
My dad is a contractor, and ever since I was little, I knew that getting shit stolen off a construction site (or getting shit vandalized) was par for the course.
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Quote from: marty904 on October 23, 2014, 07:53:35 AM
Ironically and sadly, I actually did feel like I was on Jacksonvile.com after seeing multiple pages of WarDamJagFan and Stephen Dare's bickering... 4 pages of comments that should really be around 1 and a half of topical contribution.
+1
Can't believe this thread has made it so far.
Didn't realize vandals in construction sites were newsworthy. Kind of goes with the territory.
My dad is a contractor, and ever since I was little, I knew that getting shit stolen off a construction site (or getting shit vandalized) was par for the course.
Come on now ben, The point of the forum is to post topics of discussion how is any story someone puts not worthy of being here. If we were judging things on a scale like that then half this board wouldn't exist. I posted it as more a multi-tiered curiosity. I said in the original I was going to move in there and it was delayed so i moved on then it was delayed 2 more times. Then this I was more posting about the irony of their string of bad luck. Many people have different insights into different things. I mean based on that statement you made my thread with the recipies shouldn't be on here. Neither should your travel agent one...
My comment had nothing to do with the thread
100% 'get' why the thread exists, and think it's entirely valid
What I don't get is the pages of bickering/back and forth b/w Stephen and WDJF..
What starts as something credible (your post) turns into Jacksonville.com's gossip section (the Stephen/WDJF back and forth). That's all.
"And why did you suddenly switch to issues in a black neighborhood, when this is a crime in a white neighborhood, committed by white teenagers on bikes?"
I'm a bit confused. Exactly how is 220 Riverside qualified as a White neighbor hood? Day workers who don't live there? Pretty much black residential within at least four blocks of the damaged, vandalized building if not farther...
I understand the intent for the new residents being mostly white-ish, but they aren't there yet.
Quote from: stephendare on October 27, 2014, 02:43:52 PM
So the presence of black people a few blocks away changes the race of the actual perps?
Who said that?
what a waste of a post.
jacksonville.com 2.0.
Jacksonville.com? That's not even interesting. If you want quality comments sections you have to head over to news4jax.com. There are some brilliant minds posting Pulitzer quality material over there...similar to what we've just experienced.