Front page of Yahoo....
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QuoteEverBank Field has gone from a football wasteland to a budding social mecca almost overnight because of this Vegas-style plaza replete with scantily-clad servers, cushy lounge areas and pools that have nearly as many eyes on them as the game going on below. The "Clevelander Deck," borrowed from the Miami hotel (and the Marlins' outfield bar), is basically a trendy nightclub with beach weather. Its cabanas and even its rail seats overlooking the field have already sold out for the season.
"This is the best thing they could have done," raved Trent Sebok, 38, who parked his boat nearby, took a rickshaw to the stadium, and spent the day lounging with his girlfriend, Britni. "Even if the team sucks, you have a good time."
As the game went on Sunday, and only one offensive touchdown was scored all afternoon, the stadium seats began to empty out and the party deck filled up. The pool areas were more crowded in the fourth quarter than in the first.
"Nobody really cares about the game," Sebok said. "I have no idea what the score is."
Full article: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/jags--poolside-scene-turning-more-heads-than-football-team-021159184-nfl.html
Imagine how much fun it will be if the team ever starts winning
The yahoo reader comments are hilarious...
YEAAAHHHHHHH
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The winning is coming, you can take that to the Bank (pun intended). One more draft and free agent cycle (premier running back, premier linebackers) and this team will be ready. I brought two fans from Tallahassee to the Steelers game and they were truly impressed with the atmosphere, our QB *and* the Clevelander Deck. We all agreed the Jags are just about over the hump. I'm convinced this will be the last painful year in the win-loss column.
In a nod to the guy some on this site seem to weirdly envy or hate (Shad Khan), I loved this quote from the article: "the Jags have basically unearthed a completely fresh fan base." *That* creativity comes from a group clearly committed to the City, whether it is acknowledged on this site or not.
You cannot help but notice how young the crowds have become at Jaguars games. It's great to see. That is the future of the franchise.
It need a better name than "Clevelander". Makes it sound like it's somehow connected to Ohio.
^Clevelander Hotel is the sponsor of the deck. It's a swanky hotel in Miami, but yes I agree the naming rights need to change asap.... Everyone I've spoken to has said the same. No positive thoughts come from a name with "Cleveland" in it.... Especially considering we play the Browns in 2 weeks.
Latitude 30 should have jumped all over those naming rights.
Quote from: jaxjaguar on October 08, 2014, 09:29:57 AM
^Clevelander Hotel is the sponsor of the deck. It's a swanky hotel in Miami, but yes I agree the naming rights need to change asap.... Everyone I've spoken to has said the same. No positive thoughts come from a name with "Cleveland" in it.... Especially considering we play the Browns in 2 weeks.
On the plus side, my buddy Cleve went to his first game this weekend with me, and was thrilled to get pictures next to all the Cleve hashtag signs they have.
http://gamedayr.com/lifestyle/sports-biz/jaguars-game-day-entertainment-alienating-fans-121060/
Quote from: Dapperdan on October 08, 2014, 10:13:17 AM
Latitude 30 should have jumped all over those naming rights.
you mean Latitude 360 ;)
I completely understand why the Jags partnered with the Clevelander....they are trying to get some of that south Florida swankiness/sex appeal associated with Jax.
Quote from: Dapperdan on October 08, 2014, 10:13:17 AM
Latitude 30 should have jumped all over those naming rights.
I agree. I would've liked that local connection, although I don't have any problems with the Clevelander (which is obviously South FL themed rather than Ohio).
Concerning the gamedayr article above, I wouldn't call stadium enhancements 'alienating the fanbase'. I have I feeling if that stadium was in San Diego somewhere, they would not be any of these crazy 'negative connotations'. I could be wrong, but the article feels like 'typical pile on Jax' BS. Many of those 'bullet talking points' had nothing to do with the enhancements.
Anyone that's knowledgeable with the state of the Jacksonville Jaguars know that this is an unique market, that presented unique challenges. No way could we have some old school freaking Qualcomm, and remain in existence as an NFL city. Most of the stadium features were added to boost the revenue.
Lastly, the people that complain about 'how big the scoreboard is, pool etc; It's not about football etc' are annoying (outside of the political issues). They are usually angry old people out of touch etc. Take a look at the rest of league (DAL, TEN, WASH, PHI, HOU etc etc etc) and many scoreboards aren't much smaller than Jax. I'm an old school style person too. I actually leave my cell inside the car before going to the game. The game is on the field, and DJ's, scoreboards, and pools never interrupted the game when I watched. Just my two.
Quote from: I-10east on October 08, 2014, 11:37:23 AM
(which is obviously South FL themed rather than Ohio)
I don't know what's so 'obvious' about it. I'd be willing to bet 9 out of 10 people connect "Cleveland" with Ohio and not a hotel in South Beach.
It isn't the Cleveland Deck, it's the Clevelander Deck -- and I don't think they want their name disassociated with what they're doing. They are testing out a concept here -- cool out, folks. People will figure this out and it isn't going to be an issue. We're on the cutting edge in a positive kind of way and Shad is leading the way.
Quote from: RattlerGator on October 08, 2014, 12:59:42 PM
It isn't the Cleveland Deck, it's the Clevelander Deck -- and I don't think they want their name disassociated with what they're doing.
I understand that. I'm just sayin' that your average person doesn't associate the term "Cleavelander" with South Beach glamor, no matter how cool the actual product may be.
And your "average" Jags fan isn't going to be running over to Section 124 and taking the elevator up to the 5th floor to hang out on the Clevelander Deck. Okay?
The Clevelander is trying to expand their "brand" beyond South Beach. They want to take this concept national, so . . . think less South Beach and more party vibe, party vibe, party vibe.
The Jags aren't trying to re-create South Beach in a stadium. All they are doing, as an article astutely pointed out, is identifying an entirely new market, and an approach that will appeal to that market: a younger, lucrative market. That the Clevelander has joined up with them is noteworthy and something we should be celebrating. Anytime Jacksonville is associated with something cutting edge, fresh and exciting -- that's likely to be a very good thing.
And dagummit, why is Beach Road Chicken on Atlantic? And why do those taxis have to be called Gator City? Oh, and get rid of Arlington and Springfield too - kind of confusind since I only think of cemeteries & Simpsons.......
If you want the opinion of a 'true' fan, then The Clevelander is a perfect name for the moment.
I'll explain....
Cleveland + NFL = Browns / Cleveland Browns Stadium = Factory of Sadness / Factory of Sadness = Current state of the Jag's W/L record / ergo: Clevelander is Perfect until we start winning. After that, we can work on a re-branding.
;D
Quote from: RattlerGator on October 08, 2014, 02:21:05 PM
Anytime Jacksonville is associated with something cutting edge, fresh and exciting -- that's likely to be a very good thing.
And I'm not disputing that, I'm just pointing out that due to the associations that already exist with the term "clevelander", it will make it a little more difficult to brand this new venture as cutting edge, fresh and exciting than perhaps it would have been with a different name.
Clevelander? Clevelander? REALLY? Clevelander?
Hell when the Nazi's take over the world, I want to be the Burgermeister of Cleveland!
Quote from: finehoe on October 08, 2014, 03:00:44 PM
I'm just pointing out that due to the associations that already exist with the term "clevelander", it will make it a little more difficult to brand this new venture as cutting edge, fresh and exciting than perhaps it would have been with a different name.
It could be that we're talking past one another. You're writing as if the name is somehow optional -- it isn't. The Clevelander South Beach markets itself as the ultimate one-stop destination experience and they are trying to take that brand and extend it into sports venues.
The name
is the brand; they aren't going to toy with that. They want "Clevelander Deck" to become synonymous with an in-stadium party venue and I think they are well on their way to doing just that. I'm a bit surprised that we seem to be stuck on some literal take that [1] Clevelander must mean Cleveland rather than [2] an iconic party venue.
The people paying for the cabanas, etc. -- they know precisely who The Clevelander people are and what kind of vibe they are bringing to Jax (and, more than likely, to other NFL venues in the future).
http://www.clevelandersports.com/clevelanderdeck/
The difficulty will not be in branding this new venture as cutting edge, fresh and exciting because
that's what The Clevelander, an iconic name, is already known for. The mere fact that many of us (apparently) didn't know that is irrelevant.
Known by whom "as cutting edge, fresh and exciting"? I think that at least some (sizable?) portion of the audience automatically connects "The Clevelander Deck" with a city in Ohio, and not some South Beach hot spot, IS a problem with marketing.
If there's a marketing problem here, it's in the fact that the "South Beach hotspot" named itself the "Clevelander" to begin with. It doesn't seem to have hurt them much so far.
Good point, Tacachale! :)
I think both sides of this debate have merit. Clevelander indeed isn't the ideal name. But then again if the club wants to spread its brand awareness then it's got to start somewhere and as time goes on the name association for the public at large will slowly shift. And ultimately, that's the point...for both the Jags and the Clevelander.
QuoteYou cannot help but notice how young the crowds have become at Jaguars games. It's great to see. That is the future of the franchise.
Where is the 3-ring circus, fire breathers, and elephants? How about putting Jaxson on a trapeze across the stadium while the game is going on down below? Cirque du soleil coming next? How about a roller coaster that consumes the entire upper deck, since its rarely full with most of those people hanging out in the Bud Zone (which really does take away fans from their seats and should be sold as standing room only instead, its coming when the Jags start winning too)
Lamping, Kahn and the other people selling attractions are throwing (explative) against a wall to see what sticks. The pools, the club, the chicks dressed for a concrete version of south beach, is all derived to bring an NBA player's dream strip club to the NFL for daytime use.
None of these tactics are needed, IF, and its the mother &*#$%) of all IFs, Lamping, Khan, Bradley and Caldwell can put a winning team on the field. These sideshows are apparently needed to get people into the stands. Winning solves everything with the franchise. Call this sideshow the "Westsider", because all its done is put the "Bestside" on display for the entire world. It ain't pretty.
The same deck minus the pool exists at Cowboy Stadium
Mtraininjax.... 7 of 11 starting players on offense are rookies this year... If Storm Johnson ends up starting it'll be 8 of 11. The new front office is completely cleaning house and building from the ground up. Wins will come with more experience. To say the team isn't already showing drastic improvement over week 1 would be completely ignorant. There is merit to your comment that wins put butts in seats, but we're at least heading in the right direction this season.
Quote from: jaxjaguar on October 09, 2014, 09:58:14 AM
Mtraininjax.... 7 of 11 starting players on offense are rookies this year... If Storm Johnson ends up starting it'll be 8 of 11. The new front office is completely cleaning house and building from the ground up. Wins will come with more experience. To say the team isn't already showing drastic improvement over week 1 would be completely ignorant. There is merit to your comment that wins put butts in seats, but we're at least heading in the right direction this season.
You actually acknowledge his comments? ;D
I'll admit, I can appreciate the efforts put fourth by the Marketing department. However, having some DJ on a giant ass scoreboard screaming "It's going down right now at the Clevelander!" while we are getting our ass kicked isn't the smartest idea IMO.
Don't overlook the subtle racism in conflating NBA players (a code word for black people) with rednecks. Within the context of his post these are both bad things.
mtraininjax, you're only acknowledging one part of the problem equation -- winning.
That, alone, doesn't solve the problem of a small-market team in the NFL and that, make no mistake about it, is the essential problem of our franchise.
[1] There must be a revenue stream over-and-above butts in the seats for these teams to compete nationally. Because there is something of an algorithm being employed by players, agents, executives, etc., that factors in here (such as health of the franchise, revenue streams and endorsement opportunities, and desirability). All of these come into play.
That Clevelander Deck is speaking to NFL free agents just as much as it is speaking to a lucrative young crowd well-aware of the Clevelander name. They (Jaguars executives) have engaged in something of an ingenious effort to make Big Duval more cool, more desirable. As a whole, we've got an incredibly bad history of selling this most unique metropolitan area in Florida (personally, we missed a huge opportunity during consolidation by not changing the name of the city to Duval -- Jacksonville as a name I happen to like but, atmospherics-wise, it's just too long) to the young crowd.
[2] The Jags have to make for a fun stadium experience to combat not only the current attendance problem nationally (easy and often preferable HD experience at home) but to also desperately try and entice folks from the Gainesville-Ocala TV market, the northern and eastern sections of the Orlando TV audience (Daytona Beach and Melbourne) and the folks from the Savannah TV market to come to our games. We're in a race to become more of a regional team. Blake Bortles is going to seriously help with this because we desperately need more of the Orlando TV audience to become fans of the Jaguars.
Look -- we are what we are, and our negatives are just as evident as our positives -- but the positives far outweigh the negatives and limitations. Shad Khan, whether or not he does something with the Shipyards property (hopefully making it a more year-round destination), is off to a mighty good start as owner of our team. A mighty good start.
Quote from: mtraininjax on October 09, 2014, 03:39:47 AM
QuoteYou cannot help but notice how young the crowds have become at Jaguars games. It's great to see. That is the future of the franchise.
Where is the 3-ring circus, fire breathers, and elephants? How about putting Jaxson on a trapeze across the stadium while the game is going on down below? Cirque du soleil coming next? How about a roller coaster that consumes the entire upper deck, since its rarely full with most of those people hanging out in the Bud Zone (which really does take away fans from their seats and should be sold as standing room only instead, its coming when the Jags start winning too)
Lamping, Kahn and the other people selling attractions are throwing (explative) against a wall to see what sticks. The pools, the club, the chicks dressed for a concrete version of south beach, is all derived to bring an NBA player's dream strip club to the NFL for daytime use.
None of these tactics are needed, IF, and its the mother &*#$%) of all IFs, Lamping, Khan, Bradley and Caldwell can put a winning team on the field. These sideshows are apparently needed to get people into the stands. Winning solves everything with the franchise. Call this sideshow the "Westsider", because all its done is put the "Bestside" on display for the entire world. It ain't pretty.
Lamping has nothing to do with the on-field production. That''s up to Caldwell and Bradley. And winning does not solve everything. Winn-Dixie was struggling to give away tickets at times during the glory days of the late 90s (granted a much younger fanbase and a much larger stadium capacity). And winning is NOT guaranteed. There will always be meager times ahead for every franchise (you cant stay on top all the time) so there have to be ways to sustain without winning.
But winning does
help and the Jags haven't had much of that in far too long.
Quote from: Downtown Osprey on October 09, 2014, 10:53:21 AM
I'll admit, I can appreciate the efforts put fourth by the Marketing department. However, having some DJ on a giant ass scoreboard screaming "It's going down right now at the Clevelander!" while we are getting our ass kicked isn't the smartest idea IMO.
The Clevelander thing is annoying. Especially them giving "shout outs" to all the Steelers fans on Sunday. In our stadium. Embarassing.
Quote from: pierre on October 09, 2014, 12:37:50 PM
Quote from: Downtown Osprey on October 09, 2014, 10:53:21 AM
I'll admit, I can appreciate the efforts put fourth by the Marketing department. However, having some DJ on a giant ass scoreboard screaming "It's going down right now at the Clevelander!" while we are getting our ass kicked isn't the smartest idea IMO.
The Clevelander thing is annoying. Especially them giving "shout outs" to all the Steelers fans on Sunday. In our stadium. Embarassing.
GOsh why are we so sensative to everything? We get out panties in a bunch of the smallest things. Smile :D
Amen Maximus-people have to understand that the business side is completely separate, and Lamping's side is responsible for bringing in butts in the seats (or pool or barstool) regardless of the team's performance. Even with the best leadership, there will be lean years. Long term, every team has lean years. The late 80's Steelers and Cowboys were some bad teams.
Quote from: duvaldude08 on October 09, 2014, 12:59:07 PM
GOsh why are we so sensative to everything? We get out panties in a bunch of the smallest things. Smile :D
LOL DD, you're on a roll today!!! ;D
Quote from: RattlerGator on October 09, 2014, 11:10:07 AM
mtraininjax, you're only acknowledging one part of the problem equation -- winning.
That, alone, doesn't solve the problem of a small-market team in the NFL and that, make no mistake about it, is the essential problem of our franchise.
[1] There must be a revenue stream over-and-above butts in the seats for these teams to compete nationally. Because there is something of an algorithm being employed by players, agents, executives, etc., that factors in here (such as health of the franchise, revenue streams and endorsement opportunities, and desirability). All of these come into play.
That Clevelander Deck is speaking to NFL free agents just as much as it is speaking to a lucrative young crowd well-aware of the Clevelander name. They (Jaguars executives) have engaged in something of an ingenious effort to make Big Duval more cool, more desirable. As a whole, we've got an incredibly bad history of selling this most unique metropolitan area in Florida (personally, we missed a huge opportunity during consolidation by not changing the name of the city to Duval -- Jacksonville as a name I happen to like but, atmospherics-wise, it's just too long) to the young crowd.
[2] The Jags have to make for a fun stadium experience to combat not only the current attendance problem nationally (easy and often preferable HD experience at home) but to also desperately try and entice folks from the Gainesville-Ocala TV market, the northern and eastern sections of the Orlando TV audience (Daytona Beach and Melbourne) and the folks from the Savannah TV market to come to our games. We're in a race to become more of a regional team. Blake Bortles is going to seriously help with this because we desperately need more of the Orlando TV audience to become fans of the Jaguars.
Look -- we are what we are, and our negatives are just as evident as our positives -- but the positives far outweigh the negatives and limitations. Shad Khan, whether or not he does something with the Shipyards property (hopefully making it a more year-round destination), is off to a mighty good start as owner of our team. A mighty good start.
Great post, very well said.
We're a small market with a stadium that is still huge on a per capita basis compared to the rest of the league. We don't have the corporate support that larger markets do. The home theater experiences gets better and cheaper every year, as do the number of other options for spending our discretionary income.
It is an amazing accomplishment to get 60,000 at Everbank on Sundays, and a borderline miracle and great testament to Khan/Lamping to actually increase revenue on the back of one of the worst seasons in franchise history.
Love the Weavers and we owe Wayne a tremendous debt of gratitude for making sure the team stayed in Jacksonville, but a lot of the things that Khan and Lamping are doing now are things that that Weaver should have been doing at least a decade ago, particularly in regards to regional marketing and game-day experience. That's what I like about the new ownership. They are proactive, rather than reactive.
The Clevelander deck might be annoying to some, but it's boosting the bottom line, squeezing dollars out of an area that used to produce dimes, and ultimately helping to provide long-term sustainability to the Jaguars franchise in Jacksonville. I'll take that tradeoff, even if it means a goofy DJ occasionally saying stupid stuff.
I might be in the minority, but I personally think what the DJ doing is pretty cool. Is it mandatory that every Jag fan have to wallow in their tears after every loss? If fans what to be apart of a post game party, win or lose, who I'm I to get angry at that?
It could be argued that so far the home games hasn't been so dismal as many are making it out to be. Versus Indy a team that most believe is tops in the AFC South; Bortles finally starts in the second half, and finishes with 17 points. Versus Pittsburgh facing what most think is a more talented team, and being competitive despite being injury riddled.
Quote from: I-10east on October 09, 2014, 01:52:22 PM
I might be in the minority, but I personally think what the DJ doing is pretty cool. Is it mandatory that every Jag fan have to wallow in their tears after every loss? If fans what to be apart of a post game party, win or lose, who I'm I to get angry at that?
It could be argued that so far the home games hasn't been so dismal as many are making it out to be. Versus Indy a team that most believe is tops in the AFC South; Bortles finally starts in the second half, and finishes with 17 points. Versus Pittsburgh facing what most think is a more talented team, and being competitive despite being injury riddled.
you know I was just thinking the same thing yesterday. Our home games were gut wrenching the first half of last seasonl. We werent moving the ball, we scored like one TD.. But I REALLY enjoyed myself Sunday. I would have loved a home win for Bortles, but hes a rookie and I didnt expect him to come in a be a super hero. The second half of the colts game was fun also.
These days not many teams that are 0 and 4 would could draw or expect 70,000 fans even with the Steelers help (although all the "Steeler " fans I talked to were from JAX or FL). San Diego is nearly twice the metro pop and they have been close to black outs this year. Same with Oakland and other cities being sold out but many empty seats. It is hard to fill 60,000 + seats with 1.4 million people and only a 20 year history. I recently saw that JAGS attendance totals are larger than Steelers due to larger stadium, but the metro area is larger. The JAGS fans come and yes, with the stadium improvements the atmosphere does provide a fun day win or lose.
^^^Well said. You can add Cincinnati to that list of underachieving fanbases despite winning. One of the Bengals players even called the fanbase out basically.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/10/07/bengals-george-iloka-we-dont-want-bandwagon-fans/
I think the Clevelqnder Deck is trying to equate Jax more with Florida instead of Georgia. I, for one, am quite ok with that.
Quote from: jaxjags on October 09, 2014, 04:26:10 PM
These days not many teams that are 0 and 4 would could draw or expect 70,000 fans even with the Steelers help (although all the "Steeler " fans I talked to were from JAX or FL). San Diego is nearly twice the metro pop and they have been close to black outs this year. Same with Oakland and other cities being sold out but many empty seats. It is hard to fill 60,000 + seats with 1.4 million people and only a 20 year history. I recently saw that JAGS attendance totals are larger than Steelers due to larger stadium, but the metro area is larger. The JAGS fans come and yes, with the stadium improvements the atmosphere does provide a fun day win or lose.
Didn't the supreme court or somebody recently rule against the NFL blackout rule? Obviously not a good thing for the league and I think it may be on its way out.
Quote from: I-10east on October 09, 2014, 04:31:20 PM
^^^Well said. You can add Cincinnati to that list of underachieving fanbases despite winning. One of the Bengals players even called the fanbase out basically.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/10/07/bengals-george-iloka-we-dont-want-bandwagon-fans/
Yeah, they have a sad fan base. We would have a sold out stadium every game if the Jags were in the play offs every year. We been in the cellaur for years now and we still show up.
Quote from: edjax on October 09, 2014, 04:43:51 PM
I think the Clevelqnder Deck is trying to equate Jax more with Florida instead of Georgia. I, for one, am quite ok with that.
You may well be right. I just think that such a plan would work better with a name that most people actually associate with FL as opposed to OH.
But it is what it is. Like was said above, they aren't going to change it, so I wish them success.
Quote from: I-10east on October 09, 2014, 04:31:20 PM
^^^Well said. You can add Cincinnati to that list of underachieving fanbases despite winning. One of the Bengals players even called the fanbase out basically.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/10/07/bengals-george-iloka-we-dont-want-bandwagon-fans
Tony Romo called out Cowboys fans too recently after Texans fans flooded Cowboy Stadium.
I love me my football, but I've got zero patience or sympathy for millionaire athletes criticizing mostly working class locals for not paying $80 a ticket on average, plus parking, plus concessions, to watch them play on Sundays.
I do my job just fine without 75,000 people crowding into my office and clapping while I
post on MetroJax complete important projects.
If seats aren't being filled in Cincy, the Bengals front office isn't doing its job.
Quote from: finehoe on October 09, 2014, 05:37:14 PM
Quote from: edjax on October 09, 2014, 04:43:51 PM
I think the Clevelqnder Deck is trying to equate Jax more with Florida instead of Georgia. I, for one, am quite ok with that.
You may well be right. I just think that such a plan would work better with a name that most people actually associate with FL as opposed to OH.
But it is what it is. Like was said above, they aren't going to change it, so I wish them success.
It could very well change. I think I read they only have a one year contract with the Clevelander.
Pretty sure that's right about the one-year deal.
Quote from: tufsu1 on October 08, 2014, 11:22:14 AM
Quote from: Dapperdan on October 08, 2014, 10:13:17 AM
Latitude 30 should have jumped all over those naming rights.
you mean Latitude 360 ;)
I completely understand why the Jags partnered with the Clevelander....they are trying to get some of that south Florida swankiness/sex appeal associated with Jax.
I'd rather jump in a pool at the tail end of the Football season in Miami- two weather zones separated from J Ville.
And bonus South Florida beach,clear and decidedly warmer water bonus. Been there and done that- my Native Childhood habitat.Back then,we just Knew we were superior to Jacksonville.Even if the NFL Dolphins were not always Wonderful. At least Dophins were in our real life there in Miami.As in fact,they are here,right there in the River,amidst the Score Board light reflection arching all the way over the River,over the backs of Jacksonville Real Dolphins and other River features,recreation activities occurring always,as if the NFL did not ever even exist.
Gosh,what two weather Zones can drive....
The best "Seats" are away from Stadium, for most,and the NFL Knows It.
I know of well heeled area Loyal Jaguar Fans who opt to watch the Game on their (multiple) BIG screen,amidst the comfort of residence,pool,outside kitchen.
A Super Bowl game Jacksonville would certainly bring throngs to the stadium,as before.
QuoteMtraininjax.... 7 of 11 starting players on offense are rookies this year... If Storm Johnson ends up starting it'll be 8 of 11. The new front office is completely cleaning house and building from the ground up. Wins will come with more experience. To say the team isn't already showing drastic improvement over week 1 would be completely ignorant. There is merit to your comment that wins put butts in seats, but we're at least heading in the right direction this season.
Check the thread title, this is all about the side show circus going on with pools, strippers, and events put on by a Miami side-show circus group.
Funny how no one out here points out the cost to taxpayers for these lovely pools, 1.3 million is how much they cost us in NEW additional temporary seating to accomodate the Florida/Georgia game. Where is Mayor Brown and the TV crews on this one? Someone should get royally fired in the mayor's office for this slight oversight.
QuoteThe Clevelander deck might be annoying to some, but it's boosting the bottom line, squeezing dollars out of an area that used to produce dimes, and ultimately helping to provide long-term sustainability to the Jaguars franchise in Jacksonville. I'll take that tradeoff, even if it means a goofy DJ occasionally saying stupid stuff.
Whoa? How many games were blacked out last season at home without a DJ, strippers and pools? ZERO! The pools and circus are not needed when you are winning, this shows me that Khan and Lamping don't see us doing that for a while, get ready for more side-show circus stuff to help get more people out of their homes to the stadium.
QuoteLove the Weavers... but a lot of the things that Khan and Lamping are doing now are things that that Weaver should have been doing at least a decade ago, particularly in regards to regional marketing and game-day experience. That's what I like about the new ownership. They are proactive, rather than reactive.
Marketing and creating a side-show for the freaks are 2 very different entities. Weaver did market to the other areas, but the effectiveness is seen in the number of people still remaining after Khan took over. Lamping does a much better job of marketing to corporations, who are the ones who now own a majority of the seats, hence no blackouts. The NFL is not a cheap ticket for the individual, I am sure duvaldude has a thread on that somewhere else, so no need to HIJACK another thread with more NFL drivel.
QuoteAmen Maximus-people have to understand that the business side is completely separate, and Lamping's side is responsible for bringing in butts in the seats (or pool or barstool)
Again, no blackouts last year, so this year we should paint the town as "redneck circus freaks"? Nice!
QuoteLamping has nothing to do with the on-field production. That''s up to Caldwell and Bradley.
Not true, every person employed by the Jaguars, the team, leaders, everyone to the sideline crew are responsible for the team, its image and the fanbase. The Jaguar scouts help sell tickets, everyone is accountable. You think that only the people who get the glory are the ones in charge? LOL!
Quoteso there have to be ways to sustain without winning.
A freak show with strippers and pools and circus clowns is the best you can come up with? Nice.
Quotemtraininjax, you're only acknowledging one part of the problem equation -- winning. That, alone, doesn't solve the problem of a small-market team in the NFL........
That is complete and utter hogwash. No blackouts last season and we went, what 0-8 in the first half of the season. The fact that we are a small-market team is such a tired argument. The seats belong to corporations, its the same formula they use in MLB, as there are 81 games in each stadium, you think the average person can afford to pay for 81 games AND the concessions over a season and salaries for millionaire babies? Nope Pro sports have gone the way of corporations, naming rights, in Atlanta the Club section of the stadium is the Verizon Club. The pro sports marketing people would sell their families if it brought in more revenue for the teams. The eve of a new circus is upon us and we will never be the same for it.
No blackouts =/= a sellout, which is what the team is going for.
You've come to some incredibly asinine conclusions too - namely:
"The pools and circus are not needed when you are winning, this shows me that Khan and Lamping don't see us doing that for a while, get ready for more side-show circus stuff to help get more people out of their homes to the stadium."
Caldwell works on the roster and Lamping has a totally separate job. What you consider a "freak show," interests a lot of other people, which is what Lamping was seemingly going for. The diehards will be there regardless of the pools or stadium extras and Lamping is trying to draw from a more indifferent crowd. The roster was in shambles when Caldwell took over, and it was known that it would be a 3-4 year job to turn it around (only in year 2 now). Lamping is trying to be more progressive than his predecessors and whether the upgrades appeal to you or not, they've already proven to be quite popular.
As it pertains to ticket prices, Jacksonville still has one of the lowest in the league. There are affordable seats to watch the game.
Your post just reeks of sour grapes, and if it bothers you so much, don't go and don't watch. It's pretty simple.
QuoteThe best "Seats" are away from Stadium, for most,and the NFL Knows It.
I know of well heeled area Loyal Jaguar Fans who opt to watch the Game on their (multiple) BIG screen,amidst the comfort of residence,pool,outside kitchen.
very true, especially here where many have a TV in their outside area.
Quote from: duvalbill on October 10, 2014, 09:08:25 AM
No blackouts =/= a sellout, which is what the team is going for.
The FCC dumped the blackout rule. I get what you're saying though.
Quote from: I-10east on October 10, 2014, 10:00:18 AM
Quote from: duvalbill on October 10, 2014, 09:08:25 AM
No blackouts =/= a sellout, which is what the team is going for.
The FCC dumped the blackout rule. I get what you're saying though.
The NFL has not change their policy yet though. The NFL actually has not said anything as of yet.
^^^My bad, you're right. That would be messed up if the NFL do not let the blackout rule become defunct.
I had the pleasure of sitting in one of the pool cabanas for the Colts game with 100 close friends. I have never, ever, had that much fun in my entire life at a football game and every single person in our group claims the same. This is truly the most unique gameday experience any NFL fan can have and the article by Yahoo was excellent. The Jags have purged the cancer that was the Gene Smith experiment, and are moving forward to brighter days.
Quote from: WarDamJagFan on October 10, 2014, 04:34:51 PM
I had the pleasure of sitting in one of the pool cabanas for the Colts game with 100 close friends. I have never, ever, had that much fun in my entire life at a football game and every single person in our group claims the same. This is truly the most unique gameday experience any NFL fan can have and the article by Yahoo was excellent. The Jags have purged the cancer that was the Gene Smith experiment, and are moving forward to brighter days.
interesting...I wasn't aware that 100 people were allowed in the pool cabanas...I heard it was more like 12-15 per cabana
Quote from: tufsu1 on October 10, 2014, 11:13:40 PM
Quote from: WarDamJagFan on October 10, 2014, 04:34:51 PM
I had the pleasure of sitting in one of the pool cabanas for the Colts game with 100 close friends. I have never, ever, had that much fun in my entire life at a football game and every single person in our group claims the same. This is truly the most unique gameday experience any NFL fan can have and the article by Yahoo was excellent. The Jags have purged the cancer that was the Gene Smith experiment, and are moving forward to brighter days.
interesting...I wasn't aware that 100 people were allowed in the pool cabanas...I heard it was more like 12-15 per cabana
Upper cabanas up to 20 per cabana. Pool cabanas up to 50 per cabana and there are 4 of them so up to 200 for the pool cabanas.