AV Homes Wants To Bring San Marco To The Southside
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The densification of the Southside continues with an Arizona-based development firm proposing to bring a slice of Riverside and San Marco within a mile of St. Johns Town Center.
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You won't have the same vibe as the riverside area though, but this is awesome I'm glad to see that company carrying about architecture rather than building cheap ugly cookie cut out homes. I can't wait to check them out when there finished.
what a novelty, no two homes alike.
Sounds like a developer looking to make millions from tax breaks and deals....also...you cant build charm...it only come with time.
Will the roads be built in grid or the typical one way in and out of a neighborhood?
It will be a gated community so I'm assuming one or two options (at the most) for access.
Is there a map that shows where this will be?
Personally, I would rather this than the crap they usually build. I have seen these kinds of neighborhoods in NC and they are pretty nice. I know there is a real big one in Orlando, East of downtown.
Quote from: pierre on August 12, 2014, 09:35:33 AMIs there a map that shows where this will be?
I think this is the approximate location: http://goo.gl/maps/jWme6
Quote from: jcjohnpaint on August 12, 2014, 09:39:51 AM
Personally, I would rather this than the crap they usually build. I have seen these kinds of neighborhoods in NC and they are pretty nice. I know there is a real big one in Orlando, East of downtown.
This won't be anything like Baldwin Park in Orlando, or other large traditional neighborhood developments. Without the commercial component, this will be more similar to a cookie cutter subdivision than it will a San Marco or Riverside. There's practically no point in creating a walkable neighborhood if there is nothing to walk to.
The people who live there can bike to the town center and walk to the parks within the neighborhood. I wouldn't walk to the town center, that area is too busy! I can't wait to see the finish product.
Quote from: benfranklinbof on August 12, 2014, 10:44:45 AM
The people who live there can bike to the town center and walk to the parks within the neighborhood. I wouldn't walk to the town center, that area is too busy! I can't wait to see the finish product.
So can everyone else that lives in that vicinity whether they live in an apartment complex, a cookie cutter neighborhood, or this faux TND. If there isn't a commercial component integrated within the community, it isn't truly a traditional neighborhood development.
For the record, I'm not anti-TND in the burbs at all. I actually like Baldwin Park quite a bit, but this development will be nothing like that. This is pretty much the real estate equivalent of Dominos selling "Artisan Pizza".
Quote from: benfranklinbof on August 12, 2014, 10:44:45 AM
The people who live there can bike to the town center and walk to the parks within the neighborhood. I wouldn't walk to the town center, that area is too busy! I can't wait to see the finish product.
This would still be about a 3 mile bike ride to the town center. I am all for the densification of the southside, but I don't believe that this is that. I would rather see this go in along touchton just east of Belfort. There has been actual densification there lately and there are multiple destinations that could be walked to. I am, however, a big fan of the architectural diversity and the use of actual red bricks. I just hope that the front facades of the houses won't be dominated by ugly garage doors.
Good on them for shooting for something a bit better than we usually get in that area. I agree that a lack of a commercial area and integration with the surrounding area won't create the vibe they're saying (an "urban" community with a gate?), but still a step in the right direction.
Quote from: Traveller on August 12, 2014, 10:10:30 AM
Quote from: pierre on August 12, 2014, 09:35:33 AMIs there a map that shows where this will be?
I think this is the approximate location: http://goo.gl/maps/jWme6
that's exactly it.
And I figure it as more like 6 miles to the Town Center. But that's closer than most people live to it. And it's an otherwise convenient location. Quick to 295, JTB and Baymeadows.
Agreed ⤴
Not to get snarky, but what happens if they try to build a Mellow Mushroom there?
I think it's great...Some diversity in home building is good.
Quote from: Dapperdan on August 12, 2014, 09:03:24 AM
Will the roads be built in grid or the typical one way in and out of a neighborhood?
Their website says
"Old Still will embrace urban park design with streetscapes dedicated to front porch charms and
winding sidewalks."
I don't think I've ever seen a street grid with 'winding sidewalks'.
Quote from: CityLife on August 12, 2014, 11:02:26 AM
This is pretty much the real estate equivalent of Dominos selling "Artisan Pizza".
^------- This.
I love the thought of them doing something unique and different, but fact of the matter is, unless the price is substantially above the average pricing in the area, then unique and different will end up being unoriginal and cheap looking.
Quote from: CityLife on August 12, 2014, 11:02:26 AM
This is pretty much the real estate equivalent of Dominos selling "Artisan Pizza".
Bravo
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on August 12, 2014, 05:26:52 PM
Quote from: CityLife on August 12, 2014, 11:02:26 AM
This is pretty much the real estate equivalent of Dominos selling "Artisan Pizza".
^------- This.
I love the thought of them doing something unique and different, but fact of the matter is, unless the price is substantially above the average pricing in the area, then unique and different will end up being unoriginal and cheap looking.
It is. These homes will be priced above $300k.
Sounds like just another gated community. Similar to Glen Kernan or Jax Golf & CC off Hodges. They are shut off from the rest of the world.
Quote from: thelakelander on August 12, 2014, 05:43:24 PM
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on August 12, 2014, 05:26:52 PM
...unless the price is substantially above the average pricing in the area, then unique and different will end up being unoriginal and cheap looking.
It is. These homes will be priced above $300k.
Are there any conceptual plans out there? What size footprint is $300k going to provide? Because if they're trying to do more than about 1,500 sqft for that price, you're getting exactly what you pay for - typical spec home.
Look, I'm really happy that housing is coming back (along with the bubble that eventually follows), but I've built too many homes, ranging from basic track homes to multi-million custom, to get my hopes up with this being anything resembling 'new' or 'original'. I'm not damning the project; I hope it moves forward, makes a lot of new homeowners happy and provides some much needed work for the subcontractors in the area. But forgive me if I don't get all worked up for stucco and masonite boxes on concrete slabs. I would love to be proven wrong on this one, but until I can look at some specs.... Meh.
At one point during Brannon Chaffee Sector Plan public workshops (Beltway,Oak Leaf et al) some skeptical residents finally agreed to development if it was patterned after Riverside Avondale.
Hilarious- drive out there for a tiny lot.
"Best Place" R/A certainly a proven driver. Just add River water front placement,control and presence feature :).
Cheers.
This is a cool concept, but i'm skeptical like most. I want to see some design plans first.
Got me thinking though...If you look in the southeast corner of Duval county, it's mostly undeveloped. Who owns all of that land, the Skinner family?
I can see us looking back on google map archives in 2040 and thinking "wow, where's JTB 2 and 895 at? It's all woods!"
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on August 12, 2014, 07:48:52 PM
Quote from: thelakelander on August 12, 2014, 05:43:24 PM
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on August 12, 2014, 05:26:52 PM
...unless the price is substantially above the average pricing in the area, then unique and different will end up being unoriginal and cheap looking.
It is. These homes will be priced above $300k.
Are there any conceptual plans out there? What size footprint is $300k going to provide? Because if they're trying to do more than about 1,500 sqft for that price, you're getting exactly what you pay for - typical spec home.
Look, I'm really happy that housing is coming back (along with the bubble that eventually follows), but I've built too many homes, ranging from basic track homes to multi-million custom, to get my hopes up with this being anything resembling 'new' or 'original'. I'm not damning the project; I hope it moves forward, makes a lot of new homeowners happy and provides some much needed work for the subcontractors in the area. But forgive me if I don't get all worked up for stucco and masonite boxes on concrete slabs. I would love to be proven wrong on this one, but until I can look at some specs.... Meh.
Oh, I don't expect much more than a slightly better version of the average suburban development. However, I do applaud them for at least attempting to do something different than most of the plain jane stuff popping up around town today.
Quote from: David on August 13, 2014, 08:47:14 AM
This is a cool concept, but i'm skeptical like most. I want to see some design plans first.
Got me thinking though...If you look in the southeast corner of Duval county, it's mostly undeveloped. Who owns all of that land, the Skinner family?
I can see us looking back on google map archives in 2040 and thinking "wow, where's JTB 2 and 895 at? It's all woods!"
Estuary Corp owns 30 square miles of land there, or 20,000 acres. By comparison, Nocatee is only 13,000 acres. The City of Miami is 35 square miles. Lots of big money and local players involved. I believe they have already started entitling some of the land. I think it is pretty safe to assume there will be major growth there in the coming years.
^Basically. As the generations pass I'm sure it will be incrementally developed.
It's definitely a step in the right direction away from dreary suburban style developments.
Though, what makes places like Riverside, Avondale, Murray Hill, Springfield & San Marco so unique is not just the architecture but the interesting people who love there; people who left dull suburbia to the community atmosphere.
You can build homes to match but if everybody drives into their garage and goes inside then it's not really a community. If it comes with all kinds of rules and stay off the grass signs then it really can never evolve into a true community.
Very true ⤴
Quote from: BoldBoyOfTheSouth on August 13, 2014, 11:28:47 PM
It's definitely a step in the right direction away from dreary suburban style developments.
Though, what makes places like Riverside, Avondale, Murray Hill, Springfield & San Marco so unique is not just the architecture but the interesting people who love there; people who left dull suburbia to the community atmosphere.
You can build homes to match but if everybody drives into their garage and goes inside then it's not really a community. If it comes with all kinds of rules and stay off the grass signs then it really can never evolve into a true community.
Yes, yes. Jacksonville has some great and unusual urban communities. They boast lots of park space, wide walkable sidewalks, small corner stores and unique restaurants within walking distance. Communities that encourage you to leave the house and walk somewhere, without fear of getting run over. And you actually get to know your neighbors.
300,000 for the average home? You people are lost if you this thats what jax needs...again ill state it.. charms only comes with time...not money...itll just look cheap.
I disagree Rob. You can definitely build in charm, but it's expensive, both upfront and maintenance wise.
Then do it the same way San Marco did... Start with a vintage steel wheel on steel rail - overhead simple trolley wire streetcar that ties the development, university and/or mall together. Then simply jump back and watch the 1920's repeat themselves before your very eyes. I'm not speaking of begging for Transit Oriented Development (TOD) what I'm saying it create it with Development Oriented Transit (DOT)!