When Downtown Was The Place to Be
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Fifty years ago, the Northbank streetscene was quite different from what one would experience today. During the 1950's Downtown Jacksonville was the epicenter of life on the First Coast.
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http://www.metrojacksonville.com/content/view/783
Some of those pics of Hemming Park look like Southern California with all those palms. I can see this happening again, one day, maybe in about 15 years, even thats a stretch. This downtown has soooo much potential, it'll blow Tampa and Orlando downtowns away if it can tap all its resources!
Wow, CSX Headquarters was just getting built then, so long ago.
So weird. i was just talking to a friend of mine yesterday and said, "have you ever seen pics of Jax in the 50's?" Now, here they are.
What a different place. If it weren't for the pics of Hemming plaza and the Main St. bridge, I wouldn't even recognize the city as Jacksonville. What a shame that the streets aren't busy like this anymore...not even during the work week.
Great collection. Hopefully City Hall is passing this link around...
Super Photos!
Hustle, bustle, looks kind of like a tapered down but busy and populous version of New York City.
We moved to Jax in 1964 and downtown then was still hustle and bustle, had movie theaters, department stores, banks, businesses, insurance companies, you name it, downtown had it.
I was a kid back then so I can't really remember a lot of things; but what hits me the most from viewing and assessing these photos is the denseness and compactness, that is, no open parking lots, all blocks filled in with something (stores, businesses, homes, etc.); and.......people, people everywhere.
I wish someone would do a "then and now" type of scenario with these same pics; list these pics again as "then," and show the same locations "now." This will give us a better idea of what has happened to our great and beloved Jax since the populous 1950's.
We will all be dead, or something else adverse will happen before Jax returns to its former glory; don't think it will happen during our time if not at all. I hope it does.
We're trying, but until we get rid of the "fumble, bumble, piddle, twiddle, nerds that we vote in to City Hall, and get someone else in that has a hard, focused vision, nothing will happen.
Great photos! Thanks!
Heights Unknown
Heights that sound like a wonderful photo gallery for City Hall. Day to day inspiration for those who work there we could title it how far we've come.
Sounds like a good project for Teresangel.
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Do I cry or weep? As the ancient one here, I REMEMBER almost every scene in this essay. In fact, I've often wondered if we could somehow get a square footage of the buildings in say 1960 and stack them to the total square footage downtown today. In those days we ruled Florida, Jacksonville had an iron grip on the states finance, planning and resources. We were the darling of Tallahassee, and if Jacksonville said "FROG" Florida would JUMP! Today we are not the tail that wags the dog, we hardly amount to the flea that at least makes it's presence known.
These photos make me want to throw up my hands and run. I wouldn't want to look back as the fire and brimstone rained down from the heavens. What on EARTH have we done! "We don't deal with carnival people...", "We don't want Bush Gardens, we want Bush beer..." My reflection is tainted by the hundreds of hours I spent at Union Station. A sea of bells, horns, steam lines, trains, switch engines, cars moving from train to train and from railroad to railroad, as busy as Hartsfield on it's best days. Just that one scene says it all. Amtrak and JTA...What a sham. Rosenblooms, Furchgots, Petersons 5 and 10, The Terminal Watch Shop, The Coffee Shop, and don't forget those RED CAPS... GOD! I'm ready to go again, "AVIANCA, SI PERO NO! NO PUEDO! AVE MARIA PUES!
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Ocklawaha
I see the highrise apts and condos that have come to our river front and I have hope. I can accept that the real estate market slowed this progress. That said my son won't be much older before I have to say is the city offering the most he can get out of life. Schools, transit, beaches, the river, old neighborhoods, new neighborhoods, our ports, tourist potential and a commerce friendly state our city government should be able to make a go of this.
This article really has me feeling negative.
Quote from: heights unknown on May 06, 2008, 10:45:06 AM
I wish someone would do a "then and now" type of scenario with these same pics; list these pics again as "then," and show the same locations "now." This will give us a better idea of what has happened to our great and beloved Jax since the populous 1950's.
It doesn't have the same sights, but here you go:
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/content/view/396/
This thread may make some feel negative; but when you see the old photos, then the new photos, the first thing you say or think is, "WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED!?
Heights Unknown
wow, even a mediterranean(sp?) influenced building????
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if i could go back then for a day....how depressing. i have a book of historic jax photos, and many times i can't look at it... :'(
Despite the demolition of most of downtown's building fabric, that building is one of the few remaining that have been restored. You can see it in the middle of this group of images from Metro Jacksonville's Lighting Laura Street study.
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Downtown STILL IS the place to be...we just need more urban connectivity.
Here is a good shot of that building today.
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Well, have to say it's nice to know that Jacksonville did have a downtown life. Seeing all those old buildings with all that commerce makes you realize how dull downtown has become both socially and architecturally. Hopefully, new housing and new residents will bring new life to the buildings that are left. One can only hope no more old buildings need to be brought down for parking lots or pocket parks.
Quote from: Lunican on May 06, 2008, 09:41:49 PM
Here is a good shot of that building today.
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It looks nice and beautiful; it's still holding up wonderfully.
Heights Unknown
^ I'd say there are plenty of holes left to fill before any more buildings need to come down.
I think one of the things that lured people downtown back then, other than the shops, businesses, restaurants, etc., is that there wasn't much of a problem with parking. Notice that you were allowed to park on the street curb back then, bumper to bumper, and also notice the absence of parking meters in the majority of the pics. Maybe we should go back to some of the "old ways" of doing business to attract people back downtown. We do need an entertainment complex (movie theaters, video/pin ball arcades, etc.) and some type of other attraction, primarily on the Northbank, other than the Landing to lure and keep people coming back to downtown.
Heights Unknown
Quote from: heights unknown on May 07, 2008, 02:24:06 PM
I think one of the things that lured people downtown back then, other than the shops, businesses, restaurants, etc., is that there wasn't much of a problem with parking. Notice that you were allowed to park on the street curb back then, bumper to bumper, and also notice the absence of parking meters in the majority of the pics. Maybe we should go back to some of the "old ways" of doing business to attract people back downtown. We do need an entertainment complex (movie theaters, video/pin ball arcades, etc.) and some type of other attraction, primarily on the Northbank, other than the Landing to lure and keep people coming back to downtown.
Heights Unknown
Seriously - parking seems to work fine in the retail districts of San Marco, Five Points, and Avondale. I don't have a problem with a 2-3 hour limit (maybe a couple of 30 min spaces next to the Jewelry stores to keep them happy) and no meter. It seems to work fine there.
We also went through this phase a few years back where we widened the sidewalk at the expense of parallel parking. Remind me why we did that?
Some in charge were under belief that wide sidewalks were essential for a vibrant streetscape. Unfortunately, they must have not visited vibrant places like Charleston, Portland, Savannah or San Juan, PR.
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Wide sidewalks can be nice, but they should not be widened at the expense of other features that play an important role in making downtown a hospitable environment.
Especially when you think of older, european cities - narrow sidewalks with parallel parking. Semms to work ok for them
Was downtown the place to be tonight? It's always nice to see downtown full of people walking, talking and having fun.
Quote from: jrwjax on May 06, 2008, 10:11:21 PM
Well, have to say it's nice to know that Jacksonville did have a downtown life. Seeing all those old buildings with all that commerce makes you realize how dull downtown has become both socially and architecturally. Hopefully, new housing and new residents will bring new life to the buildings that are left. One can only hope no more old buildings need to be brought down for parking lots or pocket parks.
Yeah...for real. Not since I have been here. It is better now thanany time in the last 10 years (I got here in 99).
QuoteDespite the demolition of most of downtown's building fabric, that building is one of the few remaining that have been restored. You can see it in the middle of this group of images from Metro Jacksonville's Lighting Laura Street study.
D'oh! I have never noticed it! Dag, now I want to go see it.
Quote from: heights unknown on May 07, 2008, 02:24:06 PM
I think one of the things that lured people downtown back then, other than the shops, businesses, restaurants, etc., is that there wasn't much of a problem with parking. Notice that you were allowed to park on the street curb back then, bumper to bumper, and also notice the absence of parking meters in the majority of the pics. Maybe we should go back to some of the "old ways" of doing business to attract people back downtown. We do need an entertainment complex (movie theaters, video/pin ball arcades, etc.) and some type of other attraction, primarily on the Northbank, other than the Landing to lure and keep people coming back to downtown.
Heights Unknown
Hopefully that new development by the Prime Osborn will be built and will be that catalyst.
May I ask why all of the vibrant commercial signage that was part of downtown for its first like.. what.. 100 years.. is no longer in use? A good urban area is a mess of bright lights and retail.
I have live here in Jacksonville for much of my life......the good times and the bad. We have lost most of the small business that was in the Downtown area and through the neighborhoods in the city. Downtown needs the stores and shops that once were there. We do not even have a movie theater if one want to have dinner and do a movie. We do not have the social places that was once there for adults to go to.....Jazz clubs, place to go have dinner and dancing. The city lost many jobs with losing insurance and banking companies that was there. We have nothing but gaps in the city now. It such a shame that the one massive thing we have to look at is that overprice court house and all the empty parcels of real estate that once held business and now nothing but empty blight.
Memory is subjective. At the same time, people are talking about how wonderful downtown is, they forget that Bay street was a conglomeration of bars, dilapidated docks, strip shows and movies, cheap clothing stores catering to sailors, who were the primary customers on the weekends. While there were department stores and other stores downtown, it was not a Valhalla for citizens. The bus station and other public places were posted by the Shore Patrol to show all the places in Jacksonville and the suburbs that were off limits to military personnel. The fact is that the St. Johns Town Center is the new downtown. One of the reasons for consolidation was to insure that wherever companies or people decided to live in the county, these properties would be on the tax rolls.