Included here is a video by architect SchenkelShultz outlining the layout and features of the new multimodal terminal being built at Orlando International Airport (MCO).
This new terminal will accommodate a new APM (automated people mover) system, All Aboard Florida, Buses (public and private) and auto parking.
It's hard to catch and they don't mention it, but the center appears to have room for up to 3 additional transit "modes" next to the APM. This is great because it means at Level 3, all the transit modes will come in at the same level making it easier to transfer.
All Aboard Florida will come in up above at Level 5.
Probably the coolest design feature is the pedestrian concourse, it looks down on all the transit modes coming and going on Level 3. You can even check your bags in this terminal.
https://www.youtube.com/v/zH3_ZNRHtSw
Pretty cool video.
How in the world do you make a multimodal terminal on less than eight city blocks? Impossible!
Quote from: JFman00 on June 21, 2014, 12:14:19 PM
How in the world do you make a multimodal terminal on less than eight city blocks? Impossible!
the Orlando one is pretty large...probably at least 4 city blocks
The ability to switch between modes doesn't appear to be spread out across the design though. Much of it's land area is taken up by a major parking facility that will one day, become a part of a second airport terminal.
^ agreed...I expect that if Jacksonville ever gets to building one, it will be far less than 8 blocks...likely 2-3
as many of us have said before, the big question is whether the Prime Osborn remains a convention center...if so, the rail either needs to be moved or the center will be stretched out over a few blocks.
JRTC:
Amtrak/Commuter rail platform to BRT/local bus/Skyway terminal: 3 blocks
Amtrak/Commuter rail platform to Greyhound terminal: 5 blocks
Ideally, it would be good to not have any modes north of Forsyth.
Question. How successful is the Atlantic City Convention Center? I noticed it's also an intermodal center with rail and bus:
(http://www.atlantic-city-online.com/images/atlantic_city_convention_center.jpg)
(http://www.wrtdesign.com/files/large/142)
In the Orlando proposal there is room between the AAF entry and the bus lanes for a future Sunrail access. The ped walkway from the bus center up over has extra unused space.
On the APM side there are 2 unused ground level entries before you get a service pass through for the parking garage.
This would be for any future system from I - Drive (mag lev or whatever)
At least this is what I see when I review the layout. I would have to see the actual site plan from the architects to confirm.
The only thing that bodes well for the Orlando-OIA terminal is that 75% of it's traffic is neither destined to, nor bound from Orlando. If the destination were truly Orlando, then this would be like building the JRTC on the Callahan side of JIA. STUPID! One look at the plan writes whole new chapters on walkability, pedestrian access or resident friendly.
Sunrail directly into Sand Lake and on to downtown, Sanford and Volusia will help, but like the High Speed Rail Plan, by the time one transfers the truly high speed would probably have been on I-95. I think ultimately the only way to handle this logically is to send a portion of the AAF train on north along the Sunrail route, and the balance south-west to Disney and Tampa.
This is one area where IF our lethargic government ever moves to clean up and actually build our terminal at the old station, the JRTC will function a thousand times better then Orlando's new crystal glass palace in a remote swamp.
Quote from: Ocklawaha on June 22, 2014, 01:03:22 PM
The only thing that bodes well for the Orlando-OIA terminal is that 75% of it's traffic is neither destined to, nor bound from Orlando. If the destination were truly Orlando, then this would be like building the JRTC on the Callahan side of JIA. STUPID! One look at the plan writes whole new chapters on walkability, pedestrian access or resident friendly.
Sunrail directly into Sand Lake and on to downtown, Sanford and Volusia will help, but like the High Speed Rail Plan, by the time one transfers the truly high speed would probably have been on I-95. I think ultimately the only way to handle this logically is to send a portion of the AAF train on north along the Sunrail route, and the balance south-west to Disney and Tampa.
This is one area where IF our lethargic government ever moves to clean up and actually build our terminal at the old station, the JRTC will function a thousand times better then Orlando's new crystal glass palace in a remote swamp.
That would make sense because this Orlando modal hub serves tourists. The JRTC does not.
Quote from: Ocklawaha on June 22, 2014, 01:03:22 PM
The only thing that bodes well for the Orlando-OIA terminal is that 75% of it's traffic is neither destined to, nor bound from Orlando. If the destination were truly Orlando, then this would be like building the JRTC on the Callahan side of JIA. STUPID! One look at the plan writes whole new chapters on walkability, pedestrian access or resident friendly.
we've been over this many times Ock...your theory is only correct if you assume that the Disney and I-Drive areas aren't Orlando.
(http://wofl.images.worldnow.com/images/24746219_SA.jpg)
The old plan with the future airport terminal added:
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Transit/High-Speed-Rail-Florida/OrlandoHSR-7/819131766_BqTqp-L.jpg)
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Transit/High-Speed-Rail-Florida/OrlandoHSR-3/819131783_yhAgh-L.jpg)
So have they figured out how to get the train from Cocoa to OIA yet? Are they planning to run along the Beeline and then jump onto the spur that runs along the south side of the airport to the powerplant?
They figured that out a few months ago. It's going to run down the Beach Line and then head directly south, once it gets to SR 436/Semoran Blvd.
(http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/eb/a4/eba4a5e3bedfee24ff4d18a61f9b08d9.jpg?itok=RkFWFMxO)
Another shot of the Orlando station concept:
(http://i.imgur.com/H6h0a.jpg)
http://www.exmiami.org/index.php/all-aboard-florida-miami-orlando-high-speed-rail-proposed/
Quote from: tufsu1 on June 22, 2014, 03:07:08 PM
Quote from: Ocklawaha on June 22, 2014, 01:03:22 PM
The only thing that bodes well for the Orlando-OIA terminal is that 75% of it's traffic is neither destined to, nor bound from Orlando. If the destination were truly Orlando, then this would be like building the JRTC on the Callahan side of JIA. STUPID! One look at the plan writes whole new chapters on walkability, pedestrian access or resident friendly.
we've been over this many times Ock...your theory is only correct if you assume that the Disney and I-Drive areas aren't Orlando.
True that we've been over this 'many times' however I defy anyone tourist, local or businessman to walk to I-Drive, Disney, Orlando, or anyplace else including the Florida Mall from this 'station in a swamp.' It will never function as a terminal station in the true sense of the word, at least not until we start to see the appearance of a skyline of 20-40 floor buildings sprout up around it with all of the supporting infrastructure. This is nothing more then an 'airline think' hub in a place that nobody wants to go, thus it is a transfer center regardless of how 'pretty' it is.
If I'm running an airline, I sure wouldn't want my routes to end in Dayton, or Louisville, but if I had flights on to Chicago, St. Louis, Atlanta etc... from the same, it would change the functionality of my tiny hub. AAF is betting on ending their service in this remote swamp and I'll continue to say that's a mistake.
Quote from: thelakelander on June 22, 2014, 10:44:10 PM
They figured that out a few months ago. It's going to run down the Beach Line and then head directly south, once it gets to SR 436/Semoran Blvd.
(http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/eb/a4/eba4a5e3bedfee24ff4d18a61f9b08d9.jpg?itok=RkFWFMxO)
Oh I didn't notice the 2010 dates on those slides. My bad. I was assuming the "high speed" rail was AAF, but I guess it is actually referring to the train Rick Scott nixed.
Quote from: Ocklawaha on June 22, 2014, 11:32:20 PM
True that we've been over this 'many times' however I defy anyone tourist, local or businessman to walk to I-Drive, Disney, Orlando, or anyplace else including the Florida Mall from this 'station in a swamp.'
they won't walk..we all know that....but considering the amount of buses that Disney can and will send to/from OIA, it still qualifies as multimodal....keep in mind that Disney runs the largest bus system in Florida.
Exactly my point TUFSU1, its a remote transfer platform for mouse debris. It does NOTHING for Orlando, businessmen, or residents.
There aren't that many businessmen in Central Florida, especially clustered in a single destination. AAF is obviously going after the tourism market, which is south of DT Orlando. The business travel will most likely be centered around the three South Florida stations.
QuoteAll Aboard Florida's ridership mirrors Florida's economy, including a robust mix of domestic and international visitors. An investment-grade ridership study was completed in the third quarter of 2012 and found that more than 50 million business and leisure trips are taken by people traveling between South Florida and Central Florida, largely over highly congested highways. Almost 74 percent of our riders will be leisure travelers, whether that's a couple taking a weekend trip, or a family of four visiting from an international destination, and 26 percent will be business travelers, who work or do business along the corridor.
http://www.allaboardflorida.com/facts/faqs.html
Orlando's new multimodal terminal is rising at light speed.
Per Orlando Sentinel:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/os-orlando-airport-south-terminal-traffic-20160602-story.html (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/os-orlando-airport-south-terminal-traffic-20160602-story.html)
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The construction of nearly $3 billion in new transportation projects south of the Orlando International Airport is moving forward, with the first impact to traffic flow occurring in the middle of next week.
The $1.3 billion train station and 2,500-space parking garage just a couple miles from the airport are on schedule and within budget, expected to be finished late next year. Jeff Fuqua Boulevard south of the airport will have its southbound lane shifted about three-quarters of a mile starting June 8 to a new parallel road that overpasses three rail lines.
"We'll have cars, we'll have planes – and now trains," said Carolyn Fennell, spokeswoman for the airport.
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The new train station will accommodate people-movers from the northern airport terminal. It will also be part of All Aboard Florida's Brightline, the nation's first privately funded intercity train system that will run from Miami to West Palm Beach to Orlando.
All Aboard Florida spokeswoman Ali Soule it's too early to give a completion date for that system.
Still in question is establishing two additional rail lines: Central Florida's SunRail and a light rail between Orange County Convention Center by International Drive to the airport.
"There's still discussion going on at this point. There's been no formal agreement" by the airport's governing board on the light rail, Fennell said.
(https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7398/27426832115_3450e7a827.jpg)
SunRail, currently operated by the Florida Department of Transportation, is studying a route to the airport's train station. It has not found money to pay for the line.
In total, the airport can accommodate four different trains, but only two are scheduled to run.
The train station's nearby $1.8 billion south airport terminal will break ground early next year and aims to be done 2019.