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Title: JEA Southbank land swap: Who pays for $10M road?
Post by: thelakelander on June 19, 2014, 10:11:29 AM
Good question.....

QuoteBy Max Marbut, Staff Writer

If at first you don't succeed, try, try again.
That's the position the JEA is in with its 30-acre waterfront parcel of land Downtown along the Southbank, the former site of the Southside Generating Station.

The authority is proposing a land swap involving Duval County Public Schools, the Jacksonville Transportation Authority and the city that is approved by all parties would improve access to the site for a future developer.

Nancy Kilgo, JEA director of government affairs, said at Tuesday's JEA meeting that a "right-of-way framework" document has been prepared for introduction to the school board detailing the proposal to extend Prudential Drive through the school district's parking lot to the JEA site, which JEA is marketing to potential buyers.

The proposed road would merge with Broadcast Place and then continue under Interstate 95 to connect with the parking garage along Kings Avenue owned by JTA.

full article: http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=543215
Title: Re: JEA Southbank land swap: Who pays for $10M road?
Post by: Tacachale on June 19, 2014, 12:07:56 PM
How do they figure $10 million for that?
Title: Re: JEA Southbank land swap: Who pays for $10M road?
Post by: IrvAdams on June 19, 2014, 12:19:22 PM
Associated unseen infrastructure? Underground utilities, etc.? Just guessing, does seem high.
Title: Re: JEA Southbank land swap: Who pays for $10M road?
Post by: pierre on June 19, 2014, 12:23:21 PM
How many other school boards have such a good view?
Title: Re: JEA Southbank land swap: Who pays for $10M road?
Post by: billy on June 19, 2014, 12:38:22 PM
Have any alternate locations for school board ever been discussed?
if so, where?
Title: Re: JEA Southbank land swap: Who pays for $10M road?
Post by: coredumped on June 19, 2014, 02:15:32 PM
Quote from: pierre on June 19, 2014, 12:23:21 PM
How many other school boards have such a good view?

That's nothing, you should see the view from the jail!
Title: Re: JEA Southbank land swap: Who pays for $10M road?
Post by: hightowerlover on June 19, 2014, 02:54:23 PM
The one thing I don't understand in all of this, how did JEA access this site when it was open?  Why is it so impossible to access now that it's gone?  Was a road taken out, did they drive through dirt, or did they alway cut through this parking lot?
Title: Re: JEA Southbank land swap: Who pays for $10M road?
Post by: thelakelander on June 19, 2014, 03:11:55 PM
Broadcast Place, which runs from the JEA property and under I-95, eventually into Kings Avenue between the Kings Ave. Garage and Atlantic Blvd. The School Board property used to be a railyard/shipyard, so that portion of Prudential Avenue wasn't there when the generation station opened. In the image below, you can see where Prudential makes a 90 degree turn into Kings Avenue. The section of Prudential they want to tap into wasn't there then. 

(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/photos/2399239994_HGbrvHF-M.jpg)

To make the property accessible to the rest of the Southbank, they'll have to extend Prudential Drive through the School Board's property, thus the land swap proposal. 
Title: Re: JEA Southbank land swap: Who pays for $10M road?
Post by: Josh on June 19, 2014, 03:15:23 PM
Quote from: hightowerlover on June 19, 2014, 02:54:23 PM
The one thing I don't understand in all of this, how did JEA access this site when it was open?  Why is it so impossible to access now that it's gone?  Was a road taken out, did they drive through dirt, or did they alway cut through this parking lot?

Broadcast Place. The problem is that it's an unmarked single-lane road that is unsuitable for the kind of traffic the new development will generate.
Title: Re: JEA Southbank land swap: Who pays for $10M road?
Post by: thelakelander on June 19, 2014, 03:19:08 PM
Another shot.

(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Photography/State-Archives-Jacksonville/i-QtrgDx8/0/L/RF00011-L.jpg)
Title: Re: JEA Southbank land swap: Who pays for $10M road?
Post by: edjax on June 23, 2014, 11:29:32 AM
Just saw article on JBJ in which Vitti states he is open to moving School Board building from current riverfront location.
Title: Re: JEA Southbank land swap: Who pays for $10M road?
Post by: pierre on June 23, 2014, 12:08:29 PM
Quote from: edjax on June 23, 2014, 11:29:32 AM
Just saw article on JBJ in which Vitti states he is open to moving School Board building from current riverfront location.

Good.
Title: Re: JEA Southbank land swap: Who pays for $10M road?
Post by: pierre on June 23, 2014, 12:09:00 PM
Quote from: coredumped on June 19, 2014, 02:15:32 PM
Quote from: pierre on June 19, 2014, 12:23:21 PM
How many other school boards have such a good view?

That's nothing, you should see the view from the jail!

Don't remind me.
Title: Re: JEA Southbank land swap: Who pays for $10M road?
Post by: IrvAdams on June 23, 2014, 12:22:30 PM
Quote from: pierre on June 23, 2014, 12:08:29 PM
Quote from: edjax on June 23, 2014, 11:29:32 AM
Just saw article on JBJ in which Vitti states he is open to moving School Board building from current riverfront location.

Good.

I like what I hear from Vitti. Decisive.
Title: Re: JEA Southbank land swap: Who pays for $10M road?
Post by: coredumped on June 23, 2014, 12:31:29 PM
Quote from: pierre on June 23, 2014, 12:08:29 PM
Quote from: edjax on June 23, 2014, 11:29:32 AM
Just saw article on JBJ in which Vitti states he is open to moving School Board building from current riverfront location.

Good.

I agree it's good and all, but what to do with it? We have the shipyards across the street that's been empty for so long. I wouldnt want them to move out unless something was going to immediately follow. The last thing downtown needs is another empty building.

Can we combine the school board and the empty lot and make a convention center? The skyway is already pretty close.
Title: Re: JEA Southbank land swap: Who pays for $10M road?
Post by: Tacachale on June 23, 2014, 12:38:59 PM
They've been discussing moving the School Board for years now. They'd make a nice chunk of change and could move somewhere cheaper (and we'd have another building on the tax rolls). Unfortunately they waited too long before the financial crisis. If they can get a good deal it would be a good move, we don't need to have the school board on riverfront property.
Title: Re: JEA Southbank land swap: Who pays for $10M road?
Post by: thelakelander on June 23, 2014, 12:47:50 PM
Quote from: coredumped on June 23, 2014, 12:31:29 PM
Quote from: pierre on June 23, 2014, 12:08:29 PM
Quote from: edjax on June 23, 2014, 11:29:32 AM
Just saw article on JBJ in which Vitti states he is open to moving School Board building from current riverfront location.

Good.

I agree it's good and all, but what to do with it? We have the shipyards across the street that's been empty for so long. I wouldnt want them to move out unless something was going to immediately follow. The last thing downtown needs is another empty building.

Can we combine the school board and the empty lot and make a convention center? The skyway is already pretty close.

If they sold, it would most likely get torn down and redeveloped as a part of whatever takes place with the sites next door.  Assuming the school board relocated, perhaps they'd take up some empty Northbank office space.
Title: Re: JEA Southbank land swap: Who pays for $10M road?
Post by: Dog Walker on June 23, 2014, 01:34:37 PM
Quote from: billy on June 19, 2014, 12:38:22 PM
Have any alternate locations for school board ever been discussed?
if so, where?

Annie Lytle, Public School #4.   44,000 sg. ft. at the intersection of I-10 & I-95.  Prime!
Title: Re: JEA Southbank land swap: Who pays for $10M road?
Post by: coredumped on June 23, 2014, 01:49:13 PM
Quote from: Dog Walker on June 23, 2014, 01:34:37 PM
Quote from: billy on June 19, 2014, 12:38:22 PM
Have any alternate locations for school board ever been discussed?
if so, where?

Annie Lytle, Public School #4.   44,000 sg. ft. at the intersection of I-10 & I-95.  Prime!

True, but the cost to rehab would be pretty high. I'd vote for the old kmart at beach and univ.

Lake, do you think there's enough space combing the lot and the schoolboard for a convention center?
Title: Re: JEA Southbank land swap: Who pays for $10M road?
Post by: thelakelander on June 23, 2014, 02:47:22 PM
Probably. However, I believe a convention center works best being adjacent to the Hyatt.
Title: Re: JEA Southbank land swap: Who pays for $10M road?
Post by: acme54321 on June 23, 2014, 02:53:43 PM
A convention center on that site would be just as isolated as the current one.