QuoteJacksonville police will knock on 18,000 doors in Northwest Jacksonville in an attempt to stop gun-related crime
By Derek Gilliam
The Sheriff's Office will blanket crime-ridden neighborhoods, install surveillance cameras and knock on 18,000 doors in Northwest Jacksonville in an attempt to stop gun-related crime — which has spiked by 43 percent this year.
Sheriff John Rutherford, Mayor Alvin Brown and Councilwoman Denise Lee talked about the crime reduction initiative code-named Operation Ceasefire on Tuesday afternoon outside a Sheriff's Office station on Myrtle Avenue.
The Sheriff's Office largely tied the sky-rocketing gun-related crime to drug dealing.
Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2014-05-20/story/jacksonville-police-will-knock-18000-doors-northwest-jacksonville#ixzz32Sdl338F
Saw it going around on twitter, @SpotJSO had retweeted it.
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I had hoped it was just propoganda but sure enough MJ has the news and facts first. I don't see how this is both legal and not considered profiling/discrimination.
Chris, and other legal eagles here, how is happening? Or are we being misled?
There is no warrant required to knock on doors. Yes, the poster is misleading.
Knocking on doors isn't illegal, but I wonder how many times officers will "smell" probable cause to enter homes.
Put on a 10 pound bullet resistant vest. A navy blue uniform. Black, heavy boots. 25 pounds of duty belt. Go out in Northwest Jacksonville on foot at 2:00PM. Knock on every door and listen to every story. Two or three hours in, you smell marijuana at some apartment door. Now find the motivation to take your soaking wet sweating a$$ into some scmucks apartment in search of a misdemeanor charge that you will end up writing a Notice to Appear (misdemeanor citation) to the guy IF you find anything. Call your Sergeant to handle the complaint that is being made against you so that if you are just this stupid he or she can give you the proper education that you seem to be screaming for...
I can't imagine this will end well --
On the other hand, at least it isn't code enforcement.
Quote from: NotNow on May 22, 2014, 11:35:02 PM
Put on a 10 pound bullet resistant vest. A navy blue uniform. Black, heavy boots. 25 pounds of duty belt. Go out in Northwest Jacksonville on foot at 2:00PM. Knock on every door and listen to every story. Two or three hours in, you smell marijuana at some apartment door. Now find the motivation to take your soaking wet sweating a$$ into some scmucks apartment in search of a misdemeanor charge that you will end up writing a Notice to Appear (misdemeanor citation) to the guy IF you find anything. Call your Sergeant to handle the complaint that is being made against you so that if you are just this stupid he or she can give you the proper education that you seem to be screaming for...
Love how you equate the guy smoking weed as a schmuck in need of a state intervention..
I suppose it depends on the approach. A friendly knock on the door with a non-threatening police presence asking "how's it going" is an awesome idea
A great idea for the papers.
A completely shitty idea for the officers that will actually have to do it.
Since it's on the pay side of the FTU that I refuse to pay for, is this another amnesty initiative? Are they just asking for the guns, or is there some sort of cash offer on the table for any weapons turned it?
They are simply asking the residents for help.
Quote from: ben says on May 23, 2014, 07:18:36 AM
Quote from: NotNow on May 22, 2014, 11:35:02 PM
Put on a 10 pound bullet resistant vest. A navy blue uniform. Black, heavy boots. 25 pounds of duty belt. Go out in Northwest Jacksonville on foot at 2:00PM. Knock on every door and listen to every story. Two or three hours in, you smell marijuana at some apartment door. Now find the motivation to take your soaking wet sweating a$$ into some scmucks apartment in search of a misdemeanor charge that you will end up writing a Notice to Appear (misdemeanor citation) to the guy IF you find anything. Call your Sergeant to handle the complaint that is being made against you so that if you are just this stupid he or she can give you the proper education that you seem to be screaming for...
Love how you equate the guy smoking weed as a schmuck in need of a state intervention..
No, I equate those who make twist the words of others as schmucks. And they should keep their prejudices to themselves.
Of all the times to answer the door with crack in left hand and chopper in right, this is not the month.
I see this as more from the "community policing" idea, rather than anything with unconstitutional intent. If you don't want to talk to police, then don't.
The camera idea, that's interesting....
Patrol Director Williams also told a group of us in 5 Points Wednesday morning that he was going to have to pull "resources" (officers), a lot of them, out of the other Zones to accomplish this. That didn't sit well with some people, but most understood the necessity.
Something has to be done about the slaughter taking place in NW Jax.
Quote from: stephendare on May 23, 2014, 12:57:12 PM
So they've got the slaughter in riverside taken care of then?
Yep!
Quote from: Dog Walker on May 23, 2014, 12:52:38 PM
Something has to be done about the slaughter taking place in NW Jax.
So by sending LEO to ask people to give up the (illegal?) firearms that they acquired (illegally?) to protect themselves from the dangers of others carrying around (illegal?) firearms JSO is trying to accomplish what exactly?
I've spoken with quite a few people, just recently, that I would assume are the same types of people that this search is looking for, and I can tell you that they all consider it a necessity to be packing.
You and I live on the fringes of their reality, but we don't live in it and I highly doubt that this initiative is going to be even mildly successful. (Unless you're [general 'you're' not specifically 'you'] the Polyanna type that feels if taking just 1 gun off the street is considered a success. ::) )
Where are you getting the info that police are asking people to hand over guns?
Quote from: AKIRA on May 23, 2014, 04:27:00 PM
Where are you getting the info that police are asking people to hand over guns?
Secondhand, from parents in the area.
Far from verbatim, but the gist that many are taking away from it is if they have any weapons that they would like turned over, they can hand them over, no questions asked.
I can only assume this is in hopes that the parents/guardians who know their child/teenager/young adult has a weapon, but doesn't know how to go about getting it out of their hands have the opportunity to do so.
Sounds like a surprising agreeible way to get rid of a gun that was probably stolen or traded for something naughty.
Is this the beginning of a police state? I bet they are just testing it out on the poor, crime ridden neighborhoods first before they slowly start violating the constitutional rights of the middle and upper class.
Quote from: Crystalball2787 on May 24, 2014, 05:22:00 AM
Is this the beginning of a police state? I bet they are just testing it out on the poor, crime ridden neighborhoods first before they slowly start violating the constitutional rights of the middle and upper class.
"Beginning" of a police state? Think we've been there for awhile.
QuoteSomething has to be done about the slaughter taking place in NW Jax
This is going to do it? Sending brave JSO officers who are already working with guns, dope and Mayor Brown who wants to decrease the value of their retirement package and make them work for less and increase the level of stress?
Shouldn't more of the slaughter in NW Jax take place at the home? More education, more holding parents and individuals accountable? Using the JSO should be the last resort. If the JSO becomes the baby-sitters of the NW area, maybe it should become a police state. Perhaps Kim Scott should turn her efforts to these troubled neighborhoods and tear down the houses that have become shelters to the problems. Let's throw all the resources of the city at the problem, not just the JSO.
By the time a problem has made it to the police enforcement or intervention level, it is too late to fix the root of the problem. As stated, intervention and prevention occurs earlier in the lives and paths of the individuals involved. Good, clean recreational facilities, social interaction, infrastructure, a strong sense of pride in place and neighborhood.
There are many simple, positive ways our city can become involved in all these efforts, before this type of problem develops in certain areas of town. The enforcement piece is the final piece and the most dramatic, but not the answer.