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Jacksonville by Neighborhood => Urban Neighborhoods => Murray Hill => Topic started by: benfranklinbof on April 29, 2014, 05:09:46 PM

Title: Murray Hill is amazing!
Post by: benfranklinbof on April 29, 2014, 05:09:46 PM
Let's get some food trucks in Murray Hill!
Let's get an arts market in M/H!
Let's get a farmers market in M/H!
Let's get more people to our little town center!
Murray Hill needs to hurry up and grow just like the other surrounding neighborhoods.

Let's talk about how to make our neighborhood well known!



These are some things that are new to M/H!

Community Loaves has expaneded their store. Their store front is now open! Isn't that exciting?
Their selections of breads is incredible. They also have amazing pizza! The girls that own the store are very friendly!

Knead bakeshop opens up in May which is another exciting event that will be happening in M/H!
We don't have to travel to Stockton anymore for those baked goods :)


Title: Re: Murray Hill is amazing!
Post by: mtraininjax on April 29, 2014, 05:21:40 PM
QuoteLet's get more people to our little town center!

Where exactly is the Town Center for Murray Hill?
Title: Re: Murray Hill is amazing!
Post by: AuditoreEnterprise on April 29, 2014, 09:46:49 PM
possibly where the theater is I am assuming???
Title: Re: Murray Hill is amazing!
Post by: ProjectMaximus on April 29, 2014, 10:53:53 PM
Right now I think of it as the southernmost block of edgewood anchored by Moon River Pizza.
Title: Re: Murray Hill is amazing!
Post by: thelakelander on April 30, 2014, 09:14:50 AM
^That's the historical "town center". However, it's really all of Edgewood between US 17 and I-10.
Title: Re: Murray Hill is amazing!
Post by: BoldBoyOfTheSouth on April 30, 2014, 09:25:51 AM
Come ride with us on Sunday, May 4th @ 2 PM for the Tour de Murray Hill historical bike ride./tour

This will be a historical tour of the unique bohemian Mayberry known as Murray Hill.

The ride/tour will start in the vacant lot on the corner of Post Street and Ingleside Avenue next to Murray Hill Presbyterian Church.

This free tour will showcase the diverse architectural styles, beautiful pocket parks, community gardens.  You'll learn the rich history that is Murray Hill. 

Come ride with us and find out!
Title: Re: Murray Hill is amazing!
Post by: ProjectMaximus on April 30, 2014, 10:23:32 AM
Quote from: thelakelander on April 30, 2014, 09:14:50 AM
^That's the historical "town center". However, it's really all of Edgewood between US 17 and I-10.

Yeah, but right now I feel like there isn't enough connectivity to that whole corridor.

Quote from: BoldBoyOfTheSouth on April 30, 2014, 09:25:51 AM
Come ride with us on Sunday, May 4th @ 2 PM for the Tour de Murray Hill bike ride.

This will be a historical tour of the unique bohemian Mayberry known as Murray Hill.

The ride/tour will start in the vacant lot on the corner of Post Street and Ingleside Avenue next to Murray Hill Presbyterian Church.

The tour will showcase the diverse architectural styles, beautiful pocket parks, community gardens.  You'll learn the rich history that is Murray Hill. 

Come ride with and find out!


Any chance theres an extra bike I could borrow?
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Post by: AuditoreEnterprise on April 30, 2014, 11:05:42 AM
what is the pricing information on it I may be interested in joining one.
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Post by: thelakelander on April 30, 2014, 11:18:46 AM
PM, the streetscape is what really impacts it negatively from a visual and mental perspective.  Put wider sidewalks and shade trees on Edgewood and it would immediately feel more cohesive and connected. One thing I noticed in Chattanooga last week is this. There's surface parking lots all over their downtown but the sidewalks are heavily shaded, making walking still worthwhile.
Title: Re: Murray Hill is amazing!
Post by: ProjectMaximus on April 30, 2014, 11:30:51 AM
Yeah, that's true. Murray Hill isn't San Marco, but imagine that streetscape from San Marco Blvd transported to Edgewood (with better shading of course, lol)

What has happened to all of the streetscape/town center projects? Is it just a matter of funding delaying the studies from being implemented?

http://www.coj.net/departments/public-works/docs/construction-projects/murray-hil-vision-plan.aspx 
Title: Re: Murray Hill is amazing!
Post by: benfranklinbof on April 30, 2014, 11:49:44 AM
It would be awesome if there was more landscaping to connect the Murray hill theater area to the moon river area. Its almost like there are two little town centers. I think a landscaped median would fix that problem.

The historic bike tour sounds amazing!
Title: Re: Murray Hill is amazing!
Post by: mtraininjax on April 30, 2014, 12:07:43 PM
Councilman Jones is working to fix Cassat Avenue before he and Love work on Edgewood with Murray Hill.

QuoteHowever, it's really all of Edgewood between US 17 and I-10.

With this logic, I guess Town Center in Avondale runs from the S-curve down to St. Vincent's along St. Johns Avenue?
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Post by: thelakelander on April 30, 2014, 12:44:01 PM
^It would if there were commercial storefronts lining it.
Title: Re: Murray Hill is amazing!
Post by: BoldBoyOfTheSouth on May 04, 2014, 09:18:59 PM
Edgewood desperately needs better sidewalks and shade trees. Perhaps attractive brinks.
Title: Re: Murray Hill is amazing!
Post by: benfranklinbof on May 05, 2014, 06:47:44 AM
If only there was a way to get those items into M/Hill
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Post by: peestandingup on May 05, 2014, 07:25:14 AM
Quote from: BoldBoyOfTheSouth on May 04, 2014, 09:18:59 PM
Edgewood desperately needs better sidewalks and shade trees. Perhaps attractive brinks.

Edgewood is a good start, but really the whole neighborhood does because in most of it, there are none at all. I've seen it mentioned numerous times of how MH is "walkable". If we're expecting people & kids to walk on the street then sure. And it is fairly compact, which is a positive. But still, the lack of even a modest pedestrian infrastructure is a huge minus for the neighborhood as a whole that makes it straddle closer towards mid century car-reliant suburbia than I'd like.
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Post by: JC on May 08, 2014, 08:35:29 PM
Quote from: peestandingup on May 05, 2014, 07:25:14 AM
Quote from: BoldBoyOfTheSouth on May 04, 2014, 09:18:59 PM
Edgewood desperately needs better sidewalks and shade trees. Perhaps attractive brinks.

Edgewood is a good start, but really the whole neighborhood does because in most of it, there are none at all. I've seen it mentioned numerous times of how MH is "walkable". If we're expecting people & kids to walk on the street then sure. And it is fairly compact, which is a positive. But still, the lack of even a modest pedestrian infrastructure is a huge minus for the neighborhood as a whole that makes it straddle closer towards mid century car-reliant suburbia than I'd like.

I walk from my house to Edgewood, Murray Hill Park, Post and so on all while staying on the sidewalk.  Its not perfect but its far from car reliant and it is very walkable. 
Title: Re: Murray Hill is amazing!
Post by: benfranklinbof on May 08, 2014, 09:22:08 PM
I bike all the time in M\Hill. I think it is very walkable. I just wished all the empty storefronts were filled. I like all the parks hidden in M\Hill also
Title: Re: Murray Hill is amazing!
Post by: Know Growth on May 08, 2014, 09:44:35 PM
Quote from: benfranklinbof on May 08, 2014, 09:22:08 PM
I bike all the time in M\Hill. I think it is very walkable. I just wished all the empty storefronts were filled. I like all the parks hidden in M\Hill also

That's a definite 'yepper'.
My sister and her family used to live at Sappho Ave. Park presence.Moved to San Marco. Swerved through Clay County and then to Boulder,Colo. At least a child graduating from Douglass Anderson was a "Jax" highlight.
And me,605 Talbot. Could have gone from renter to owner-never did. Should/could have,even if only to become Land-Lord/Investor, exert RAP style outlook,activism and control. Could have bought the place back then for $35,000.
The screened in front porch would still be there. Scary labels pasted to the windows not. Could have done a lot with that nice back yard.
The Call to Riverside/Avondale....and the neighbor with the nasty dangerous dog lurching out of the windows,,,and a certain training in Neighborhood Selection,predictive capability  was cause to Leave. But not too far away.
Close enough to know Murray Hill must,will thrive. Even in spite of folks like me.

Let's be clear. Murray Hill will determine our collective area fate.

Good call.
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Post by: benfranklinbof on May 09, 2014, 01:10:03 PM
I definitely believe that Murray hill is a good area to invest in.
Title: Re: Murray Hill is amazing!
Post by: mtraininjax on May 10, 2014, 03:32:54 AM
QuoteEdgewood desperately needs better sidewalks and shade trees. Perhaps attractive brinks.

I disagree, what it really needs are more commercial shops, which it is getting, then once we get more shops, landlords have more money and people demand improvements and we get initiatives like the street lamps and sidewalk initiatives, which seem to have dried up all over town, thank you Mayor Brown.

While not perfect, at least RAP is working on plans for 5 points to make it more friendly for those who travel to it, through it and who use it. MH could use a strong local community group, MHPA is nice, but it needs more muscle behind it and more citizens of MH need to demand more from the city. Councilman Jones and Love carve out this area, so it really starts with them and their vision.
Title: Re: Murray Hill is amazing!
Post by: mezofoprezo on May 12, 2014, 02:15:27 PM
If any of y'all are the creative types (here's hoping), I am a non-religiously affiliated open mic host trying to draw a more subversive and potentially absurd crowd to Fringe Cafe on the 2nd and 3rd Wednesday nights of the month. I'm a poet primarily  and I have a small crowd of friends that come out and share some shit, mixed with a number of religious regulars who still don't quite know what to make of me. it makes for great live television.

for the lush among us, The "A' Tavern across the street, where all the Vietnam vets with long white hair and biker vests play poker, offers really cheap beer.

I'm not saying that if you come say hi to me I'll buy you a beer... but I will probably definitely buy you a beer

http://folioweekly.com/calendar/#event/2377128 (http://folioweekly.com/calendar/#event/2377128)
Title: Re: Murray Hill is amazing!
Post by: BoldBoyOfTheSouth on May 12, 2014, 03:19:50 PM
Quote from: mtraininjax on May 10, 2014, 03:32:54 AM
QuoteEdgewood desperately needs better sidewalks and shade trees. Perhaps attractive brinks.

I disagree, what it really needs are more commercial shops, which it is getting, then once we get more shops, landlords have more money and people demand improvements and we get initiatives like the street lamps and sidewalk initiatives, which seem to have dried up all over town, thank you Mayor Brown.

While not perfect, at least RAP is working on plans for 5 points to make it more friendly for those who travel to it, through it and who use it. MH could use a strong local community group, MHPA is nice, but it needs more muscle behind it and more citizens of MH need to demand more from the city. Councilman Jones and Love carve out this area, so it really starts with them and their vision.

The MHPA monthly meeting is tomorrow night at 7pm at the Presbyterian Church. Tomorrow nights meeting will be the annual election of the MHPA Board of Directors. 

There are several new, late 20something/30somethings and early 40somethings who'll be looking to get elected to the Bod of the MHPA so come on out and show your support and vote if you are a MHPA member in good standing.

There will also be an appraiser there to appraise your antigues for a $5.00 donation to the MHPA.
Title: Re: Murray Hill is amazing!
Post by: BoldBoyOfTheSouth on May 12, 2014, 03:22:11 PM
Quote from: mezofoprezo on May 12, 2014, 02:15:27 PM
If any of y'all are the creative types (here's hoping), I am a non-religiously affiliated open mic host trying to draw a more subversive and potentially absurd crowd to Fringe Cafe on the 2nd and 3rd Wednesday nights of the month. I'm a poet primarily  and I have a small crowd of friends that come out and share some shit, mixed with a number of religious regulars who still don't quite know what to make of me. it makes for great live television.

for the lush among us, The "A' Tavern across the street, where all the Vietnam vets with long white hair and biker vests play poker, offers really cheap beer.

I'm not saying that if you come say hi to me I'll buy you a beer... but I will probably definitely buy you a beer

http://folioweekly.com/calendar/#event/2377128 (http://folioweekly.com/calendar/#event/2377128)

I hope to make it there sometime soon!
Title: Re: Murray Hill is amazing!
Post by: Jtetlak on May 12, 2014, 03:33:18 PM
Murray Hill is a great place and I'm happy to see other people noticing! I don't see any reason why Edgewood can't be as happening and active as King Street or Avondale. I've been meeting with the Murray Hill Merchants Association and individual store owners to see what the city can do to assist them, but what it mostly comes down to is what we the customers want. If you want Murray Hill to grow then you need to eat at local places like 1171 Grill, or visit the bakeries and other small shops that are up and down the strip.

I agree its unfortunate that many of the side streets don't have sidewalks to make it easier to move around, but I walk to Dreamette and to the ball park with my small children all the time and have never felt like it was unsafe. If you have suggestions on ways to improve the neighborhood let me know on my website www.tetlak.com!
Title: Re: Murray Hill is amazing!
Post by: mtraininjax on May 12, 2014, 06:29:22 PM
Jason - If you can get the Merchants Association back and working and functional, that would be great! It was for a while, then I heard that Sandy and her hubby at Edgewood Bakery just could not get enough participation by the owners, and it fizzled out. Gotta get the business owners together to make stuff happen on the strip!

I agree, it could really rock and as Lake has pointed out, the entire strip from I-10 to Roosevelt is zoned commercial.
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Post by: AuditoreEnterprise on May 12, 2014, 07:48:17 PM
I talked about Murray hill with someone over the weekend. I think the area has potential. Unfortunately most small business owners run the businesses as well as work there too so I can totally see where the group fizzled out. Maybe a community type of structure with activists and maybe partnerships with owners outside of Murray hill that don't mind donating a bit of time would be enough to get it running again :-)  I'm always down to lend a hand if need be.
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Post by: benfranklinbof on May 13, 2014, 02:31:19 PM
Oh yeah it definitely has potential. I see multiple abandoned buildings that are located on edgewood south and they're all in great condition. Just have to wait for the right person to rent it and turn it into something beautiful.

I just want more landscaping on edgewood something simple like that will make a dramatic improvement for the area.
Title: Re: Murray Hill is amazing!
Post by: BoldBoyOfTheSouth on May 13, 2014, 04:22:11 PM
Murray Hill residents need to shop locally much more that we do.

I try to go to the Edgewood Avenue restaurants as much as possible. I take my dry cleaning there. I buy wine on the Avenue.  I don't cook otherwise that Swimming Yesterday that sells fresh fish that were, well, swimming yesterday is a great business.  I need to try the Community Loafs.

If more of us did this and kept our money local, then our businesses will thrive; there will be life on Edgewood Avenue on Sunday afternoons and after dark on Tuesdays.

If we make Murray Hill a great place and make Edgewood Avenue the place to be then others will follow.
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Post by: BoldBoyOfTheSouth on May 13, 2014, 04:24:00 PM
@Tetlak

"It's time to move past being a city with potential, and become a city living up to its potential."

I love this term.
Title: Re: Murray Hill is amazing!
Post by: benfranklinbof on May 13, 2014, 05:51:26 PM
I shop at most of the stores on Edgewood and I loveee most of them! I just wish there was a small grocery store. Like a grassroots. I would be soooo happy
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Post by: Jtetlak on May 14, 2014, 03:56:25 PM
Thanks @BoldBoyOfTheSouth!

I'll follow up with the merchants association again to see what they have on there agenda. I just met with MHPA last night. There is great potential for our neighborhood, but like many people here have said, its up to the consumers to frequent Edgewood businesses to keep them going and encourage new shops to open!