Exclusive: Renderings of Barnett Living Spaces
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MetroJacksonville brings you the details you come to expect from us whenever it comes to downtown development! After months of progress updates and discussion, The Barnett Tower finally announced on Friday, April 4, plans to move forward with renovation. We have the developers rendering of the apartments for you today! (More to come)
Read More: http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2014-apr-exclusive-renderings-of-barnett-living-spaces
Another residential tower?? Hmmm. Would the other tower be instead of the Mariott? Exciting things perhaps beginning to happen.
These look awesome. However, that looks like a generous 700 SF to me...
That looks about right for 700 sq ft. Looks like the "master bedroom" is behind the sliding glass door with the bathroom door and front door off to the right. I lived in an 800 sq ft student apartment in Orlando. Keep in mind the bedrooms in student housing are typically 9 x 10 or 10 x 11. If there's no wash room / dish washer / storage closest (as is typical of student living) than 2 x 2 apartments are completely reasonable.
PS I saw them putting up renderings of the outside on the windows of the building while riding my bike a few minutes ago.... This place is going to be awesome! Just what downtown needs.
Looks really nice. I could go for an apartment like that.
Wow this looks great! With that timeline they will definitely beat out East San Marco and might even come online before the Brooklyn-Riverside does.
Great to see something like this going on with the historic buildings. I applaud those involved making this happen, lets hope it goes smoothly for the sake of potential future projects similar in concept. The Brooklyn area will soon consist of mostly modern style design and amenities, which is fine in my opinion since there really wasn't anything there before construction began, but the historic buildings in other areas like downtown need to be renovated/restored not replaced with modern high-rises. This will help keep Jax linked with its past which is critically important for any city.
Finally!
What is the story on the other residential tower?
A new building is planned on the vacant site across the street. It was supposed to be apart of the Laura St Trio/Marriott project.
^^thanks for the info. I think that is why people were asking if the Mariott is still in the mix on the other thread. If that vacant lot is now to be residential then still the room to accommodate a Mariott and parking garage??
^I think the plans may have changed over time, but they've usually included new construction by the Laura Street Trio as well as a parking garage serving all the buildings (the Trio, the new construction, and the Barnett.)
Where does the new residential tower talk come from? That may not be totally accurate.
^I think there was talk about a new residential building some time ago, and there have been a number of rumors floating around involving the Barnett building. That may be where the confusion is coming from. As of the last couple of months, the plans for the Trio have involved the Marriott concept, which included the Trio buildings and new construction the last time it was reported.
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2010 rendering for new building and Trio
More 2010 renderings and info: http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2010-may-barnett-bank-and-laura-trio-rehab
When first announced back in 2010 or so, the proposed building next to the Florida Life Building was supposed to be residential. At that point, the Barnett was supposed to be the hotel component.
Last year, things switched to the Trio/proposed building parcel being the hotel use and the Barnett being an educational component. Last Summer, it was announced that the Trio/new building would become a Courtyard by Marriott. Detailed news about the Barnett was never released until this past week.
So at this point, it appears that the Trio/new building will be the Courtyard by Marriott (with the Marble Bank being an upscale restaurant....same as in 2010) and the Barnett will become what's been recently described.
Here was the old 2010 plan:
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click to see original photo size with readable uses here: http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/gallery/12309708_zAk2h#!i=878714687&k=sJf5E&lb=1&s=O
Quote from: stephendare on April 05, 2014, 11:40:02 AM
looks about right though. My sister Bella and I lived in an 850 square foot apartment while she finished up High School during my one and only period living in Baymeadows/Mandarin. It was a two bedroom and only slightly bigger than this rendering.
The views from these spaces are going to be tremendous.
Yes they are... I couple of years ago I got a short 30 minute tour and was able to ride the elevator to few of the floors and went all the way up.
What I want to know is, what student can afford $1,000 a month in rent? Are these going to be 2 bedroom units? Given the wealth of cheap housing on the SS, I don't see a huge audience for these units initially. Are these exclusively intended to be for students, or was that just the intended resident they had in mind while designing the units?
I'd be very surprised if they were 1 x 1's.... $1000 a month would be really steep for student housing if they weren't 2 x 2's. Unless there is some sort of crazy incentive involved like meal plans / parking / all inclusive rent.
Looks pretty cool. This will be such a big boost for Downtown. By the way does anyone know if they are planning on restoring the old clock/temperature sign on top of the building?
Quote from: Captain Zissou on April 07, 2014, 02:40:47 PM
What I want to know is, what student can afford $1,000 a month in rent? Are these going to be 2 bedroom units? Given the wealth of cheap housing on the SS, I don't see a huge audience for these units initially. Are these exclusively intended to be for students, or was that just the intended resident they had in mind while designing the units?
LOL. I was thinking the same thing but maybe I was the only college student around who was broke. During my college years, the amount of rent I paid hovered between $250 - $350/month, depending on the amount of roommates. My guess is, that the average undergrad would not be the core market here.
$1k/mo. for a 1/1 sounds like a JU student price, not UNF.
Even if that's $1k for two bedrooms, that's still gonna be steep for students who aren't receiving subsidies (from parents or otherwise). As has been mentioned, there's plenty of significantly cheaper housing closer to the city's universities.
I really do not believe these apartments are exclusively student housing. I looked back at all of the articles on it on JBJ and they all refer to it simply as 80 apartments. A Times-Union article referred to the 80 apartments to be 'geared' to students, again indicating they will not be exclusive to students.
I want one on the 16th floor.
This is clearly not going to be in everyone's budget, let alone students. Out by UNF there are student-focused apartments that rent for less than $600 bucks for an apartment this size (and some of them are two bedroom). On the other hand, they're not in walking distance of anything, even really the school, and they certainly don't have all of downtown as their back yard. And you can certainly get apartments that are a comparable size and price in Southside and it doesn't seem to be hurting their prospects. These won't be for everyone, but I'm sure there's a market for housing of this type and pricepoint in the heart of downtown.
They really aren't priced much different than Carling/11E. Per their website a 1/1 with 718sf rents from $880-$1150.
^Good point, those don't have any problem staying full at their current prices.
I would think that this new supply coming online should keep rents from increasing for a while. Good news for renters, bad news for developers.
That's very true. But ultimately it will be good for them, as there'll be more people in the area to support retail in their buildings and making the area more desirable to live in.
This is awesome. I am so excited to see them doing this. Young people is exactly what downtown needs, hopefully they continue to develop. The young people then turn into young professionals and hopefully have a desire to stay downtown and upgrade to a nicer studio or condo downtown....see how that works? This is good stuff.
Spoke to Lisa Goodrich yesterday on site, and the student housing angle is incorrect. The units are being marketed to young professionals, and are not intended to be student housing (as the building will only be hosting a few business incubator classes from UNF, not a full satellite school). I let her know we would update our factual errors on the article ASAP.
Also reached out to Steve Atkins about the possibility of renovating the digital clock on the roof. It should be grandfathered into the sign ordinance, and I would assume the technology isn't too terribly complex. It has such a permanent place in the memories of so many Jacksonville residents that it would be a crime not to make an effort to restore it. I encourage everyone on the forums to reach out to Steve and express your interest, then hope for the best.
Quote from: joshuataylor on April 11, 2014, 03:11:01 PM
Also reached out to Steve Atkins about the possibility of renovating the digital clock on the roof. It should be grandfathered into the sign ordinance, and I would assume the technology isn't too terribly complex. It has such a permanent place in the memories of so many Jacksonville residents that it would be a crime not to make an effort to restore it. I encourage everyone on the forums to reach out to Steve and express your interest, then hope for the best.
Would love to reach out to Steve about the clock, do you have a best way to contact him/Southeast Holdings?
Proposed floor plans:
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The first floor retail tenant is expected to be announced within the next 30 days....
QuoteSummer 2015 completion date expect for Barnett Bank Building renovation
It's not going to be a restaurant or a nightclub.
It's not going to be any retail that already is in place Downtown.
It's not going to be IKEA.
That's all Steve Atkins, principal and managing director of Southeast Holdings LLC, would say about the retail element of the project to convert the former Barnett Bank Building along West Adams Street into office, classroom, residential and retail space.
Southeast used $3 million in funding from Stache Investments Corp., owned by Jacksonville Jaguars owner Shad Khan, to purchase the building a year ago. He's using the One Spark festival this week as a way to introduce the project to the public.
full article: http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=542687
There is a story either on firstcoastnews or news4jax, where Steve is interviewed about the project and he talks specifically about the clock and the memories he has of it as a child. He didn't mention anything about having it restored.
Quote from: Gamblor on April 11, 2014, 03:35:44 PM
Would love to reach out to Steve about the clock, do you have a best way to contact him/Southeast Holdings?
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He follows the site. I'll ask him via email.
Quote from: KenFSU on April 11, 2014, 05:42:06 PM
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Great photo! Love it!
Quote from: thelakelander on April 11, 2014, 05:44:32 PM
He follows the site. I'll ask him via email.
Quote from: stephendare on April 11, 2014, 07:09:18 PM
Dang I was just hanging out with Steve, his dad, and his young son Joe over at the building. He's been sitting without much fanfare in the seating area they have for the public, just people watching for a few hours.
Any info on how we could help with restoring it would be tremendous Lake. I always loved seeing it in my youth much like Steve. I am going back to the festival tomorrow and will look for him. I assume you mean he was sitting in the Barnett Building Stephen. I wonder if they would be open to doing something a little more modern or upscale. I work with microelectronics and would love to offer some services to update the clock to more modern standards and conveniences. Or if they wanted to start a collection fund to restore it over time, I am sure like many of us, I could find a few coins in my pocket to spare.
I would be pretty surprised to see Barnett's clock restored, given that the building is gonna be used for housing. Unfortunately it being obsolete in this digital age, additional cost, it being non-aesthetic (like say the Jacobs Clock) and the rise of the taller towers around it blocking views further add to unlikeliness of it being restored IMO. We're talking about an building that was built in 1926 as it towered all over Jacksonville.
That doesn't mean that I didn't love it when it was here. Many-a-time, I knew the time in the 90's because of that clock. I'll be cool if someone please put up some LED lights on top of what was called the Barnett Center (BOA Tower). The skyline was noticeably more aesthetic with the tallest building in town lit up atop.
Went into the Barnett lobby (didn't go upstairs), and that is a fantastic space. The "chimney" they created through all the floors was interesting. Any idea what the purpose is? From the floor plans posted, it isn't a permanent feature.
That hole was put there by Cameron Kuhn to dispose of debri from the interior demolition of the upper floors.
Quote from: Charles Hunter on April 12, 2014, 11:41:02 AM
Went into the Barnett lobby (didn't go upstairs), and that is a fantastic space. The "chimney" they created through all the floors was interesting. Any idea what the purpose is? From the floor plans posted, it isn't a permanent feature.
It was created during one of the previous renovation attempts; so trash materials could be tossed down to the lobby at the ground floor. I'm assuming that since so much of the material contained asbestos, having one of those disposal shoots running to the outside courtyard like in a standard renovation would have created an environmental concern.
Hopefully that hole didn't have too much collateral impact on the rest of the building, because whenever it was raining water would pour from the roof to the lobby via that hole.