I'm quite sure that yall heard of the stupid cowardice 'knockout game', as it's been all over the news. When these violent thugs hit unsuspecting people, with an 'One Hitter Quitter' knocking them out; Some people have died because of this senseless nonsense. They say that they do it because they're 'bored' SMDH.
Our sheriff in Jax, Sheriff John Rutherford thinks that it should be considered a hate crime. I totally agree with him!!! You can have your head in a hole like an ostrich and be in denial with the PC crap, but let's get real here; This 'game' dang-near exclusively consists of blacks targeting non-blacks (mainly whites). If it was vice-versa, the entire MSNBC payroll would be up in arms, with marches etc! I don't see any non-black engaging in this stupid crap; Just another thing to give us a bad reputation...
Luckily so far this stupidity hasn't caught on in Jax, and the same for the South. An idiot should think twice about pulling this crap in the South, knowing there's a chance they'll be shot! IMO these super-strict gun laws in certain states favor criminals and not the decent citizens; Which is why the NJ/NY area seems to be the centerpiece of this ever-spreading mess. I'm not looking at this politically at all, I'm for whatever 'makes sense'. You can disagree with what I'm saying, but you can't say that I'm being unreasonable.
www.news4jax.com/news/knockout-game-growing-in-popularity/-/475880/23168388/-/iqmtutz/-/index.html
It hasn't made it to Jacksonville because it's a made up epidemic. Apparently five people have died from this since 1992.
Personally, I think this "epidemic" is nothing more than a handful of isolated incidents, perpetrated by a few hundred teenage morons (at most), many of which are random acts of violence having nothing to do with any "game." Just another
street issue with a catchy tagline for us suburban honkies to be terrified enough about to keep providing those television news ratings and page views. Gotta watch Action News to make sure this hot new teenage trend (huffing, frogging, KnOcKoUt~!) hasn't made its way into Jacksonville like an invading Turkish army.
I found this line to be a real groaner:
QuoteWe asked Ken Jefferson if there's a really away to protect ourselves from Knockout.
"Well this goes to show you always have to be vigilant," said Jefferson. "Even though you don't suspect anything , you just can't trust anybody."
ProTip: The next time you're at the Avenues Mall and a group of black teenagers in American Eagle sweaters walks by, THROW YOUR HANDS UP TO DEFEND YOURSELF. I think we can all agree that it's better to be safe and slightly racist than to be knocked out cold in front of Auntie Anne's, as street youths laugh and press the gigantic red "YouTube 'dis" button on their cell phones while cinnamon glaze drips from the displaced kiosk atop our lifeless body.
To me, there's a simple way to end this goofy, albeit dangerous, trend. The next time this happens, the surrounding bystanders need to just grab these punks by the necks and beat the absolute shit out of them. I mean leave them for dead. You show no mercy, you deserve no mercy. Now that would be a viral video I could get behind. And completely agree with you that, whether it be prosecuted as a hate crime or whatever else, these kids need to have the book thrown at them. No room for senseless, random violence in America.
The "knockout game" is a myth.
I actually committed suicide because of a Judas Priest record, so you guys better take this latest moral panic seriously!
Hate crimes are not within the sheriff's jurisdiction. They are handled by the Thought Police.
Why don't we call it what it really is? Assault and Battery?
Ask this stupid kid, he got shot when he failed at his attempted knock out:
http://www.youtube.com/v/gzptOuQ0M9U?hl=en_US&version=3&rel=0
And yes, he's smiling in that thumbnail from jail. Too bad the bullets were unsuccessful :(
Quote from: rvrsdediva on November 27, 2013, 09:08:32 AM
The "knockout game" is a myth.
One of the sheeple simply regurgitating a headline. Profound.
The argument that the knockout games should be lumped in with other senseless attacks that have occurred for across the country over the years is to me a lame attempt to defer away from the seriousness of the issue. These are targeted hate crimes.
Thugs target Jews in sick 'knockout' game New York City police authorities are investigating a series of unprovoked physical attacks in public places on people who are Jewish, in the form of what is called "the knockout game."
The way the game is played, one of a number of young blacks decides to show that he can knock down some stranger on the streets, preferably with one punch, as they pass by. Often, some other member of the group records the event so that a video of that "achievement" is put on the Internet to be celebrated.
The New York authorities describe a recent series of such attacks and, because
Jews have been singled out in these attacks, are considering prosecuting these assaults as hate crimes. Many aspects of these crimes are extremely painful to think about, including the fact that responsible authorities in New York seem to have been caught by surprise, even though this knockout game has been played for years by young black gangs in other cities and other states, against people besides Jews —
the victims being either whites in general or people of Asian ancestry.
Attacks of this sort have been rampant in St. Louis. But they have also occurred in Massachusetts, Wisconsin and elsewhere.
In Illinois, the game has often been called "polar-bear hunting" by the young thugs, presumably because the targets are white.The main reason for many people's surprise is that the mainstream media have usually suppressed news about the knockout game or about other and larger forms of similar orchestrated racial violence in dozens of cities in every region of the country. Sometimes, the attacks are reported, but only as isolated attacks by unspecified "teens" or "young people" against unspecified victims, without any reference to the racial makeup of the attackers or the victims — and with no mention of racial epithets by the young hoodlums exulting in their own "achievement." Despite such pious phrases as "troubled youths," the attackers are often in a merry, festive mood. In a sustained mass attack in Milwaukee, going far beyond the dimensions of a passing knockout game, the attackers were laughing and eating chips, as if it were a picnic.
One of them observed casually, "White girl bleed a lot." That phrase — "White Girl Bleed a Lot" — is also the title of a book by Colin Flaherty, which documents both the racial attacks across the nation and the media attempts to cover them up, as well as the local political and police officials who try to say that race had nothing to do with these attacks.
Chapter 2 of the 2013 edition is titled "The Knockout Game, St. Louis Style." So this is nothing new, however new it may be to some in New York, thanks to the media's political correctness. Nor is this game just a passing prank. People have been beaten unconscious, both in this game and in the wider orchestrated racial attacks. Some of these victims have been permanently disabled, and some have died from their injuries. But most of the media see no evil, hear no evil and speak no evil. In such an atmosphere, the evil not only persists but grows. Some in the media, as well as in politics, may think that they are trying to avoid provoking a race war by ignoring or playing down these attacks. But the way to prevent a race war is by stopping these attacks, not trying to sanitize them.
If these attacks continue, and continue to grow, more and more people are going to know about them, regardless of the media or the politicians. Responsible people of all races need to support a crackdown on these attacks, which can provoke a white backlash that can escalate into a race war. But political expediency leads in the opposite direction.
What is politically expedient is to do what Attorney General Eric Holder is doing — launch campaigns against schools that discipline a "disproportionate" number of black male students. New York City's new liberal mayor-elect is expected to put a stop to police "stop-and-frisk" policies that have reduced the murder rate to one-fourth of what it was under liberal mayors of the past. Apparently, political correctness trumps human lives.
Providing cover for hoodlums is a disservice to everybody, including members of every race, and even the hoodlums themselves. Better that they should be suppressed and punished now, rather than continue on a path that is likely to lead to prison, or even to the execution chamber.
Thomas Sowell is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University.
The "knockout game" meme is nothing but a race baiting, made up faux outrage.
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Sean Hannity, "knockout game" truther.
Photo by Brendan Hoffman/Getty Images
I remember the summer of 2011, a story about a crowd of teenagers at the Wisconsin State Fair randomly attacking fairgoers went viral as a sign of a burgeoning race war. The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel fanned the flames, calling the teenagers "rampaging youths" who caused "mob-like disturbances":
"Then around the closing time of 11 p.m., witnesses told the Journal Sentinel, dozens to hundreds of black youths attacked white people as they left the fair, punching and kicking people and shaking and pounding on their vehicles."
"Dozens to hundreds"? When witnesses can't differentiate between 24 and 100, should we really rely on them to speculate whether a crime was racially motivated? One of the reasons the story gained so much traction could have stemmed from the fact that Milwaukee is the most segregated city in the country, and it validated white residents' fear that their black neighbors are dangerous.
Now, the false trend story of black mob violence has cropped up again, as it seems to do annually, in conservative media outlets. (McKay Coppins wrote about this phenomenon in BuzzFeed last year.) The new scare is the "knockout game," in which black youths supposedly attack innocent people just for fun. Conservative pundits decry the MSM for suffering from political correctness and whitewashing crimes perpetrated by black people, but a more reasonable explanation for why most media outlets aren't devoting round-the-clock coverage to the knockout game is that—sorry, Sean Hannity—there is no hard data showing that it's a trend.
An important clarification: the game definitely exists, and has been around for at least a couple of years. I'm not claiming the game doesn't exist. But the idea that it's reached epidemic levels, or that it's only being played by young black people, is a fallacy. As Alan Noble convincingly writes, "Analyzing data is not as simple as watching some YouTube videos and Googling 'knockout game.'" And when it comes to the knockout game's supposed popularity, the data is almost entirely anecdotal:
Here's the fascinating thing about this "spreading" trend: nobody seems to have any evidence that it's spreading, or that it's new, or that it's racially motivated, or that black youths are the ones typically responsible, or that whites are typically targeted. This hasn't stopped Mark Steyn, Thomas Sowell, and Matt Walsh from describing this specifically as a crime committed by blacks against whites, CNN from claiming that it is "spreading," or Alec Torres at NRO from say it is "evidently increasing [in] popularity."
This is precisely the type of story meant to animate the deepest recesses of our lizard brains—"Danger lurks around every corner! Identify your enemy!" At the epicenter of this narrative is Colin Flaherty, a writer for WorldNetDaily who probably has a Google alert set up for "black suspect." He's made it his life's work to report any single crime perpetrated by a black person in the U.S. against a white person. In a recent blog post, he lists as evidence six separate crimes in Philadelphia over the course of two years, which share nothing in similarity except for the fact that they involved black people.
Imagine if another national "journalist" started doing the same for, say, any crime committed in Alabama, or any arson charge in the country. People would start to think Alabama was going through a crime epidemic, or that arson was becoming all the rage with criminals. That would be ridiculous, because it's ridiculous to assume that a few unrelated counts of arson make arson an epidemic. But when you inject race into the equation, it conveniently aligns with the assumptions of people who happen to be racist. That's the sort of twisted logic that justifies why more than half of the U.S. prison population is made up by black and Hispanic people, even though they comprise a quarter of the total population.
Crime happens to every type of person, and is perpetrated by every type of person. What makes the false narrative of the knockout game—or any "black mob violence" story—crop up every year is the fact that some people will always believe the color of someone's skin predisposes him to commit a crime. When a few YouTube videos are able to convince terrified white folks that young black people are dangerous, they may as well assume that all cats can play the keyboard.
Is Sean Hannity usually that sensible?
EDIT: Wait, he didn't write that. The quote makes it appear that way
The racially-motivated scare that was popular when I was a kid was "Cracker Day," a day supposedly reserved for all the black kids to beat up various white kids at school. Do people still believe that's a thing?
Quote from: funwithteeth on November 27, 2013, 12:11:13 PM
The racially-motivated scare that was popular when I was a kid was "Cracker Day," a day supposedly reserved for all the black kids to beat up various white kids at school. Do people still believe that's a thing?
Whether or not that's still a thing now, I can't speak to. But it most certainly was a thing when I was in high school. Usually 3-4 white kids would get jumped throughout the day. Social media was non-existent 20 years ago so us kids knew about it but not many people outside of the school did.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kill_Haole_Day
Quote from: finehoe on November 27, 2013, 12:59:45 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kill_Haole_Day
My family and I lived there for three years. Not sure about the "kill" part... but we lived on the west side of Oahu near Makakilo... Haole hate is alive and well around Waianae, Nanakuli... as well as part of Waimanalo, Kalihi, Waipahu.
However like anywhere... you have racism, and assholeism... Most Hawaiians are as friendly as anywhere and I do not recall any severe instances of haole hate... a little "stink eye" perhaps...
http://luckywelive808.com/living-in-haolewood/
http://www.to-hawaii.com/forums/Thread-Belligerent-Hawaiians
http://mauinow.com/2012/06/15/opinion-once-a-haole-always-a-haole/
While they're definitely some incidents that were erroneously linked to the knockout game on the news (like people with mental problems attacking, ie the London case) the game is certainly not a myth or an urban legend. The cases in Jersey City when the kids were talking about it, and where the attacks occurred; The NYC case when the Orthodox Jew heard the attackers talking about it on the link below. There's plenty of info out there. Al Sharpton even acknowledged it and denounced it.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQ6LAR0cLy0
I can't see this gaining popularity around here (assuming its even real), in Jacksonville everybody shoots first and doesn't bother asking questions later. This (media hyped) 'epidemic' wouldn't make it 15 minutes around here, they'd all be dead.
Quote from: ChriswUfGator on November 28, 2013, 09:49:43 AM
I can't see this gaining popularity around here (assuming its even real), in Jacksonville everybody shoots first and doesn't bother asking questions later. This (media hyped) 'epidemic' wouldn't make it 15 minutes around here, they'd all be dead.
Not to mention that hardly anybody walks in Jacksonville. It's hard to play the "Knockout Game" in an automobile.
Just happened at the walgreens on Merrill. Everyone be aware of your surroundings, hopefully these kids will mess with the wrong person some day.
http://www.news4jax.com/news/man-describes-being-victim-of-knockout-game/-/475880/24313470/-/a18alez/-/index.html
Really, a white puppy? The media & the police have to stop this disregarding the descriptions of the suspects' for the sake of being politically correct. I don't care what color or age they are, suspects involved in serious crimes like an unprovoked assault should have a description. They are putting citizens in danger. This PC agenda is troubling, as they are literally protecting criminals.
What? Hate crime legislation is good now. If I remember correctly, the controversy surrounding hate crime legislation was something like "this PC agenda is troubling..." because many of those opposed to hate crime legislation felt it created protected classes of people, meaning minority groups.
I-10, are you getting soft? You're losing your edge, man. Remember, you are supposed to oppose hate crime legislation.
Here are some links that will bring you back on point:
http://www.frc.org/content/q--a-whats-wrong-with-thought-crime-hate-crime-laws--
(http://www.frc.org/content/q--a-whats-wrong-with-thought-crime-hate-crime-laws--)
http://www.wpaag.org/HateCrimes-25reasonstooppos&courtcase.htm
(http://www.wpaag.org/HateCrimes-25reasonstooppos&courtcase.htm)
But, I think I get it. It's only politically correct if you perceive that something, somehow favors minority groups. It's justice if it favors anyone else?
QuoteThe media & the police have to stop this disregarding the descriptions of the suspects' for the sake of being politically correct.
Exactly! Can you believe that "stop and frisk" is under attack in New York. It is under going reform and may even be phased out! Politically correct b.s. Young men of darker shades are obviously suspicious and now we're going to let them just walk around and punch people in the face.
I'm still wondering why young white teenage boys are not immediately hand cuffed as soon as they walk onto a school campus, though. Again, another example of political correctness gone crazy? The suspects are the suspects.
Quote from: TheCat on February 06, 2014, 01:05:41 AM
But, I think I get it. It's only politically correct if you perceive that something, somehow favors minority groups. It's justice if it favors anyone else?
Man you're all over the place; NYC stop & frisk etc *sigh* So regarding my statement concerning the Arlington incident, you're saying that it's okay for the media & police to play this little hush-hush PC game? Like I said, I don't care what color of people did it, they should have a description; Maybe you had missed that. Sounds like it's in your interest to protect those punks or something.
When did I say that I 'oppose' hate crime legislation? I wouldn't call it perfect, put I never said that I oppose it. I guess that you're trying to label me some right-wing conservative or something. Even though I hate this word, I'd label myself a 'centrist' leaning a tad left. IMO there are both good and bad things about both political parties; Although if someone says one objective comment these days, you're perceived to be either way far left or way far right....Feels like I'm eating some alphabet soup, with all of these words put into my mouth...
Quote from: urbanlibertarian on November 27, 2013, 10:47:33 AM
Hate crimes are not within the sheriff's jurisdiction. They are handled by the Thought Police.
Stop wasting your time on this thread. The knockout game is still a myth. It doesn't exist.
http://nypost.com/2014/01/29/knockout-guy-i-slugged-78-year-old-other-women-in-self-defense/
In "Treason and Conspiracy to distribute child porn" you chose two actions in which the perpetrators motive does not really make them more guilty. Using 1st degree murder, 2nd degree murder and manslaughter as examples is a better argument because motive and intent are the differences between those (from my layman's understanding). Hate crime laws give extra punishment to perpetrators because their motives involve intolerant beliefs. I think intolerant beliefs are wrong but I don't think people should be punished by the government for having them even if it leads to a tragic act.
I don't think intolerance equals hate. Thoughtful, intelligent and gracious people have held intolerant beliefs throughout history. Also a perpetrator's motives or intent don't change the results of the act just whether we perceive them as evil, out of control or just negligent. I think government should be as neutral as possible about a person's thoughts and beliefs in order that everyone get equal treatment under the law.
It may or it may not. In order for a person to commit an act of violence rationally they have to perceive the victim as less than human or somehow deserving of that treatment. Intolerant beliefs, however wrong and repugnant they are, can let someone rationalize violence without hate.
4 teens arrested in Brunswick for knockout incident at the local Walmart. Felony charges.
^^I'm glad that they got charged. I don't buy this sugarcoated 'mischievous teen' crap that some preach, these people are violent. People like this could easily kill someone, especially with Florida/Georgia's elderly population. Now, it's time to catch those Arlington bastards. Violent people are worthless.
www.news4jax.com/news/georgia-news/4-teens-arrested-in-knockout-game/-/475792/24713024/-/ine78f/-/index.html
^^^Good to know. :)
A 16 year old has been arrested over in Arlington (the white dog crew). That scumbag hit a disabled man. The idiot had multiple videos on his cell showing his buddies hitting victims. Sooner than later, they'll get the rest of the crew to. Hitting a disabled man, really? They will be rearrested in the near future. This is why people should use contraception, with all of these mother having babies that they can't take care of, and no fathers around.
www.firstcoastnews.com/story/news/crime/2014/03/21/knock-out-game-teen-arrested/6707575
I agree that it should be a hate crime, but only in certain instances. I have seen black people doing it to black people, white people doing it to white people. I mean bottom line is there needs to be severe consequences for this crime. I am not so sure calling it a hate crime (unless the evidence strictly indicates it is) may be causing more tension than it is solving. I think maybe calling it felony battery for a general charge may dissuade the activity a bit. Then as an incentive to discourage taping it. Charge the person doing the filming as an accessory to the fact. If they keep this stuff off youtube and other social media then it will be less likely to spread.