St. Johns Village Project Shrinks!
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Due to concerns of their project being out of scale with the surrounding Riverside/Avodale neighborhood, the developers of St. Johns Village recently released a revised site plan for consideration. Here's a look at the latest version of the proposed Fishweir Creek development.
Full Article
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2013-aug-st-johns-village-project-shrinks
It probably won't appease those with density concerns because they want Oakleaf, Julington Creek style parking lots, express roads and gentrification. They just like older homes and refuse to acknowledge that they live in an urban core neighborhood that is supposed to be dense.
I hate the whole idea of tearing down the Commander, just renovate the damn thing. I'll be okay with them building what they wanna build around the Commander, but keep it standing; I know that they don't have that in mind. People talk about turning an atmosphere of an urban tower into suburban-mania, this project is a prime example of it.
Quote from: I-10east on August 30, 2013, 04:54:08 PM
I hate the whole idea of tearing down the Commander, just renovate the damn thing. I'll be okay with them building what they wanna build around the Commander, but keep it standing; I know that they don't have that in mind. People talk about turning an atmosphere of an urban tower into suburban-mania, this project is a prime example of it.
It's to bad the Commander couldn't be called a landmark? I would also hate to see this building be torn down. :(
At Planning Commission today, the project was approved with multiple conditions, including an increased parking requirement and an obligation to put $800K into an escrow account for dredging.
The next hearing will be before the Land Use & Zoning Commission. The project, as presently approved, includes 260 apartments (178 residential units on the Commander parcel, 82 units on the SJV--Loop parcel) and 10,000 s.f. commercial (including a 200-seat restaurant). Most recent plans are reviewable at http://commander-rezoning.com. (http://ttp://commander-rezoning.com.)
Link broken - here is correct link from the other thread:
http://commander-rezoning.com/
Rumor is that The Loop is going back into the center.
/\ Thanks for posting the corrected link.
The developer disclosed that the commercial component of the project will have 10,600 s.f. of commercial space, iincluding a 5,600 s.f. restaurant of no more than 200 seats.
The project was supposed to advance to LUZ this Tuesday, but just received word that the hearing has been postponed until Dec. 3.
....August 2014.........with Planning & Zoning proceedings accomplished, development order/vesting in place for months,some have asked "What's going on with The Project?".
Fishweir neighborhood community organization scheduled to meet with Councilman Love over the question, curiosity.
Those in the Know indicate that the scope of development might shrink considerably due to, interestingly enough, a healthier construction business environment-and escalating construction costs.
(And as if seemingly collapsing under all of the proceedings,a sink hole has emerged at a former wetland section-add it to the bill! 8) )
Emphasis might be on rehab of the Commander, much lessened expansion.
Which actually is a disappointment for many,who were looking forward to height reduction,general improvement as hammered out in part by the citizens,community organization.
Going back to the drawing board so to speak,formal re-zone proceedings to garner greater scale/development cost ratio is not an option.Apparently the Project partners can live with and opt for the downsizing financially.
Thanks, KG, I was just wondering about that project the other day. Keep us posted on the meeting and other developments.
Quote from: Charles Hunter on August 27, 2014, 06:49:17 AM
Thanks, KG, I was just wondering about that project the other day. Keep us posted on the meeting and other developments.
Perhaps. I shared one of five different scenarios.
9-18-2014
Many await update
8)
I don't think its going to go on. Hugo's has signed a 3 year least onsite, and the owners will owe them $30,000 if made to move during that time for the renovations made to the space. Loop signed a 1-year lease.
There is discussion of EPA related issues in the muck under the creekside structure. Plus Balanky is rumored to have left the project as the EPA related issue has made funding a real issue.
Yea Yea Yea Boring..............Mike B. influence all the way out to the mouth of the Creek....former wetland,now decidedly consigned to Private Ownership...and therefore,just a few feet outside RAPO boundary.
Great story
For some reason,even the Miami Herald's Carl Hiaasen in un-interested. ;) Even in the face of area dock building that has subjugated Creek restoration.....skip "EPA".....how about a little ole Federal/State "Streamline" episode,right there about where a certain state DEP official officially resides???? Yea,why in the world would Carl Hiaasen sniff around?
Sniff.....A ChooooYY!!
Fire truck sinks in former wetland sink hole......
Jim Love's representative Kevin suggested that the Rezone application "Delay" played a part. Screw that. Three (3! 3! 3!) parades in front of the public ,Kent Campus was telling.RAP dissertation was,well, Masterfully RAP. Applicant could have fired Big Shot Attorney and hired me for a fraction of the.....well........Time.
Anything regarding the Creek is irrelevant......a position I stated early on.
What a Crock
Apparently,few look here to Learn What's happenin'
After all,it's been ages.......
Quote from: Charles Hunter on August 27, 2014, 06:49:17 AM
Thanks, KG, I was just wondering about that project the other day. Keep us posted on the meeting and other developments.
It was nothing other than a request placed before the Citizen's government.
Again and again................ 8)
Onward!
I guess this is going to get a reboot:
The Commander and the retail shops next to it on St. Johns Avenue have been sold to an Atlanta-based development firm.
Chance Partners LLC bought the 170-foot tall, water-front apartment building and the 3.3 acres where the retail buildings are for $5.8 million.
http://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2016/03/11/the-commander-sold-to-atlanta-based-developer.html?ana=e_jac_bn_breakingnews&u=11189397374e6a451121b1b0bac0c5&t=1457715866&j=71333712
^How much of a change compared to the Balanky renderings?
was it purchased from the last developer that didn't get project off the ground?
The developer did not own the property.
Is this property covered by the J-Bill?
Quote from: Kay on March 12, 2016, 03:03:22 PM
The developer did not own the property.
Correct,although for some reason many thought the developer/applicant did own the property.
At any rate,Overlay aspects,RAP and private citizen group Arden LLC effectively engaged/"Standing"/unlimited funds available for Citizen Appeal if needed, resulting in Shrink.
Once again,citizen engagement in Shrink was not a matter of not caring about a rundown property but simply a matter of assuring the "fix" was appropriate for the neighborhood.Substantial Deviation "request" addressed,by Law,by local citizens who possess the propensity to engage effectively,money resources to carry through Appeal if need be.
Will be interesting to see if the new owners are under the impression or intention to go back to another Land Use & Zone revision request,or adhere to development rights currently vested.
Update
http://m.jacksonville.com/#article=6826DAD05D55FEF2A3642CEF5168E18E594F
No commercial? It's a shame it can't be some sort of mixed use development.
So we'll have all residential going into a commercial character area according to the R/A overlay. Are people going to be up in arms about that as much as they were about The Roost? "Protect the Overlay" right?
I actually think the site plan sucks now. I'm fine without the commercial (their call - personally I think it would do well there), but it just looks like a typical suburban development with a highrise next door.
It would be nice to get a full site plan. Nevertheless, what was partially shown in the FTU yesterday appears to be more suburban than the apartment complexes being built in SJTC's parking lot.
That site plan sucks.
It does suck. Email RAP and weigh in.
Quote from: JaxAvondale on March 12, 2016, 11:21:07 PM
Is this property covered by the J-Bill?
J-bill covers all commercial character areas within the Overlay and this is a commercial character area. Although the new owners do not
intend to have any commercial uses.
It will be nice to see more people in the neighborhood in a space that is really an eyesore. Prices are rising in Avondale over a shortage of housing, so it will be nice to see these when finished.