The Changing Face of Brooklyn
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Over the next few months, downtown Jacksonville's Brooklyn will transform before our eyes, as several infill developments rise simultaneously. Here is a before an after look at what the neighborhood might resemble in a couple of years.
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Given the struggles of the newspaper industry these days, I wonder it the T-U has any plans or ponderings to sell their property and downsize elsewhere, onto a less valuable parcel.
While JAX has a ton of unused waterfront property, the T-U parcel is still not even close to highest and best use, IMO. It is largely an industrial site on the river.
Quote from: vicupstate on August 05, 2013, 04:30:02 AM
Given the struggles of the newspaper industry these days, I wonder it the T-U has any plans or ponderings to sell their property and downsize elsewhere, onto a less valuable parcel.
While JAX has a ton of unused waterfront property, the T-U parcel is still not even close to highest and best use, IMO. It is largely an industrial site on the river.
The small Chicago Sun-Times site across the river from the Loop was rehabbed quite successfully into the 92-story Trump Tower. The city was very accommodating in improving the infrastructure around and access to the site, including revamping the street alignment and rebuilding a bridge.
Cool visuals. Looks like there is still quite a bit of infill opportunity in the area.
One wonders if they still need all the presses. Moving would be expensive. The site is concrete rubble filled. It will cost more to build there. They had a lot of trouble getting the press building piling in.
One of the best things about these projects is that we'll finally see some activity west of Riverside Avenue. The separation between the commercial office space east of Riverside and the neighborhood further in has been a big obstacle for years. It will be interesting to see what kicks off in the Park Street warehouse district; some new paint jobs and that will look like an entirely different place.
However, it remains to be seen what will become of the small residential area further inland.
Does anyone know how old the TU building is or the CSX building?
Ahhhh the fun of rattling the bohemian chains of those who think Cowford is an urbane metropolis. Food trucks, graffitti murals, historic ghettos and a polluted waterfront does not make for a world class city... Oh wait One Spark is coming!
Isn't Intuition Ale Works going to be just west of this picture? I think 3 blocks west of 220 Riverside. Could be a great place for guests of the hotel to visit.
Quote from: JeffreyS on August 05, 2013, 11:29:16 AM
Isn't Intuition Ale Works going to be just west of this picture? I think 3 blocks west of 220 Riverside. Could be a great place for guests of the hotel to visit.
Yes, but it's not as close as it sounds since that picture cuts off the Interstate interchange. It's about 0.6 miles total distance from Riverside.
JeffreyS
what hotel were you mentioning?
Is Intuition moving?
Jaxlore sorry I thought there was a hotel component to 220 but it appears I am wrong.
JC yes they are moving
What did you hear? I didn't hear anything yet. I love to stop over there when I am at CORK. Are they moving the entire enterprise? Where to?
I hope they do extend the skyway, but it doesn't seem like it can go any further than that one stop. If it can't be extend any further, maybe they should just consider doubling the maintaince area as the stop as well. Though I hope they can extend further into brooklyn and five points.
Quote from: jcjohnpaint on August 05, 2013, 12:33:37 PM
What did you hear? I didn't hear anything yet. I love to stop over there when I am at CORK. Are they moving the entire enterprise? Where to?
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Quote from: urbaknight on August 05, 2013, 12:38:10 PM
I hope they do extend the skyway, but it doesn't seem like it can go any further than that one stop. If it can't be extend any further, maybe they should just consider doubling the maintaince area as the stop as well. Though I hope they can extend further into brooklyn and five points.
It is elevated I think it should go right over the middle of the street.
^urbanknight
I think with some creative planning the skyrail could be extended. Perhaps the line runs above a section of Riverside Ave similar to how it runs over Hogan St. Whatever method they use, extension needs to be part of the plan.
Quote from: taylormiller on August 05, 2013, 01:07:35 PM
^urbanknight
I think with some creative planning the skyrail could be extended. Perhaps the line runs above a section of Riverside Ave similar to how it runs over Hogan St. Whatever method they use, extension needs to be part of the plan.
The Skyrail is outdated we need to bring in a Streetcar system that Portland Oregon has.
I doubt the Skyway will never be extended south of I-95. However, the mobility plan does fund a streetcar that would stretch from DT to Park & King.
Quote from: HangingMoth on August 05, 2013, 11:25:34 AM
Does anyone know how old the TU building is or the CSX building?
My dad was a pressman for the TUJ after we moved here, and I remember they moved from their downtown location to One Riverside Avenue just after we moved here from Miami, around 1967 or so.
The CSX Bldg was completed in 1960. It seems like it's no info on the Times Union Bldg online (on sites like emporis) not unless I missed something.
According to the property appraiser, the TU building sits on roughly 19 acres and was built in 1967.
Thanks guys, I can't help but think the TU and CSX properties would be a very good connection point between downtown and Brooklyn.
At what point could those properties become more valuable than their current use, or better yet if the Brooklyn infill projects are successful how likely would it be that those properties (more so the TU than CSX) be developed? Just a thought. I know, one step at a time.
It would be nice to get rid of the haskell building/boat or whatever it is while we're at it...
I personally don't envision much change happening with either of those sites anytime soon. You're more likely to see more infill and redevelopment occur away from the riverfront first.
Quote from: HangingMoth on August 05, 2013, 11:25:34 AM
Does anyone know how old the TU building is or the CSX building?
The CSX building goes back to about 1960.
Quote from: thelakelander on August 06, 2013, 10:01:20 AM
I personally don't envision much change happening with either of those sites anytime soon. You're more likely to see more infill and redevelopment occur away from the riverfront first.
I kinda figured that... do you think there will be any single family homes pop up, north of Park St. perhaps, anytime in the next few years?
There is plenty of room under I-95 on College Street to extend the skyway to Five Points: Riverside: Avondale: Ortega: NAS: Orange Park. The idea that the skyway can never get south of the freeway is simply not true. We need to take the skyway to HUMAN BEINGS so they can use it to get places. College Street. BAM.
You can't get the skyway under I-95 without closing off vehicular access to perpendicular streets, the cost would be astronomical compared to other forms of fixed transit and the neighborhood would fight like dogs to keep it out. Think Mellow Mushroom was a fight? Try penetrating the Skyway deep into Riverside.
QuoteThink Mellow Mushroom was a fight? Try penetrating the Skyway deep into Riverside.
Come on, MJ'ers need something new to do, right? All that fervor, channeled in one direction, 1 group can make a difference, right?
Is it true that a TIGER grant will help pay for the Skywalk down to the Hallmark project? Or at least help pay for part of it? Am excited to see it go up.
The TIGER grant application is for a $20 million station next door to the existing operations center. Assuming we win, it won't come close to funding an extension of anything south of the Acosta Bridge ramps.
brooklyn is a magnet for growth over the next 5 years,. With all that is going on and the location of this neiborhood we will likely see lots of plans for future development unfold very soon,..... One thing is for sure brooklyn is close to everything when it comes to city government and proffessionals ,.... We will see hotels , banks , retail , more bars like the millers ale house possibly coming to brooklyn ,..... Anyone that has any education in (LLL) knows what I am talking about,... Look for more announcements soon probably before 2014 we will get more proposals for commercial development in the brooklyn area ,... All you have to do is look at the 25 million dollar interchange that was completed 2 years ago and one can see the vision for major projects coming to the area,..... All the houses have been torn down or only a few remain , the property values are gong thru the roof all over the bordered area we call brooklyn ,..... Will post again soon on my views concerning commercial development near and in brooklyn very soon,.........
Quote from: loadking on September 18, 2013, 04:32:29 AM
brooklyn is a magnet for growth over the next 5 years,. With all that is going on and the location of this neiborhood we will likely see lots of plans for future development unfold very soon,..... One thing is for sure brooklyn is close to everything when it comes to city government and proffessionals ,.... We will see hotels , banks , retail , more bars like the millers ale house possibly coming to brooklyn ,..... Anyone that has any education in (LLL) knows what I am talking about,... Look for more announcements soon probably before 2014 we will get more proposals for commercial development in the brooklyn area ,... All you have to do is look at the 25 million dollar interchange that was completed 2 years ago and one can see the vision for major projects coming to the area,..... All the houses have been torn down or only a few remain , the property values are gong thru the roof all over the bordered area we call brooklyn ,..... Will post again soon on my views concerning commercial development near and in brooklyn very soon,.........
What has already been announced is already taking up almost all of the Riverside Ave. frontage. Are you saying Park Street will get the next wave?
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I believe there's still room for tons of infill on Riverside Avenue. For example, Hallmark still has a "phase 2" site between 220 Riverside and the Fuqua Development site. There's also a few parcels surrounding the JTA Skyway site, adjacent to Fuqua. On the other side of the street, most of what's there is suburban, so there's an opportunity to see infill in the spaces between buildings and the road, such as the YMCA's master plan showing a future building site on its parking lot. However, before any of that happens, we're still waiting to see what the tenants will be in the 220 Riverside and Fuqua.
Looking at that map above, I see a possible skyway extention on that site where the y currently sits. If it's going to be a parking lot anyway, why not put another skyway stop there?