Wow. This seems totally random, sorry for all involved.
http://www.news4jax.com/news/robbery-callout-and-homicide-callout-near-each-other-in-avondale/-/475880/20872664/-/dvsxevz/-/index.html
I don't really consider the CVS on San Juan part of or "near" Avondale...but yeah, wtf.
Quote from: ben says on July 08, 2013, 07:28:48 AM
I don't really consider the CVS on San Juan part of or "near" Avondale...but yeah, wtf.
Sure, ben, but the robbery-murder at Mojos is squarely in Avondale.
What a tragedy for all involved.
Channel 4 headlines for this story (1 dead, 1 injured after multiple shootings near Avondale) What? isn't Mojo #4 in the heart of Avondale?
There's a picture of the suspect from the CVS cameras.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=514458578626633&set=a.137516932987468.29549.115853591820469
CVS, btw, is about a mile from Mojos in Avondale.
I am heartsick over this and hope that this suspect is in the hands of JSO immediately. The mug shot is very clear and someone knows who this guy is.
An updated article from the TU says the man who was murdered was working with a company that was cleaning equipment inside the Mojo's. His name is Robert Sutton, age 53. He leaves his wife and children, the children living in Georgia. My heart goes out to his family and every family who are made to suffer such a tragedy because of the lawless greed of another.
http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2013-07-08/story/2-people-shot-1-fatally-separate-robberies-jacksonville-monday-morning
This is exactly why I believe in capital punishment.
The problem is that we cannot kill them all I-10, nor should we want to in my opinion. To tackle the problem of crime, society needs to get in front of it as opposed to dealing with the impact of a crime once committed. There will be more to follow this guy in the steps of crime and the death penalty has not proved to be a deterrent to crime. We need to focus on the areas of dysfunction in society that breeds criminality and I say this knowing that such an undertaking will take decades to have a lasting effect. We are talking dysfunction in families, lack of education, impact of poverty and beyond. It is also not a good idea to have cut officers from JSO or attack them via pension reform etc. We need good officers to serve and protect all of our community in the meantime.
Quote from: I-10east on July 08, 2013, 01:51:59 PM
This is exactly why I believe in capital punishment.
We live in a state that has capital punishment and this still happened.
Quote from: funwithteeth on July 08, 2013, 02:19:06 PM
Quote from: I-10east on July 08, 2013, 01:51:59 PM
This is exactly why I believe in capital punishment.
We live in a state that has capital punishment and this still happened.
Exactly!
With all due respect yall, I have zero remorse for killers, zero. Me sympathising with a murderer is like trying to find a palm tree in the Yukon. I get it that this site is heavily liberal (I'm a democrat BTW) but my mind will never change concerning these scumbags, regardless of race. I don't by that BS 'product of my environment' cop out either, because I grew up in rough neighborhoods. Bottomline some people are evil, and nothing will change that, not a psych, Dr Phil, no one. Yes I hate violent criminals, and they can burn in you know where. There's alot of people out there that feel exactly the way I do. Just my 2.
I-10, I think you may be mistaken when you insinuate that those opposed to the death penalty are pro killers. That really is a stretch. I do understand that the "death penalty" on the surface provides a momentary release of anger most of us feel when faced with the reality that there are people in society that do horrible things. The death penalty doesn't deter crime and this is backed by statistics. Years ago, when I was much younger I supported the death penalty. Then DNA came along and the reality was driven home that we as a society have executed and incarcerated "innocent" people in the name of justice. When that happens, we are no different than those we claim to abhor. Death lets a criminal off the hook in my estimation. Life with no parole seems a must more just punishment.
The death penalty... is a penalty... not a deterrant.
QuoteThe death penalty doesn't deter crime and this is backed by statistics.
This might make sense if we called it the death deterrant. It is the price paid by the murderer.
Quote from: I-10east on July 08, 2013, 02:30:13 PM
I don't by that BS 'product of my environment' cop out either, because I grew up in rough neighborhoods.
Doesn't this prove the point? :P
Yeah Cheshire Cat, I know that people always bring up the obligatory aberration of an 'innocent person on death row' but IMO those are very far and few between, esp in today's modern age with advanced forensics etc. I do not enjoy murderers sitting in jail wasting taxpayers money. I don't think that either of us are gonna change vice-versa mind. We'll just agree to disagree.
Quote from: stephendare on July 08, 2013, 03:19:43 PM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on July 08, 2013, 03:17:42 PM
The death penalty... is a penalty... not a deterrant.
QuoteThe death penalty doesn't deter crime and this is backed by statistics.
This might make sense if we called it the death deterrant. It is the price paid by the murderer.
Not to be too technical, but it is often described as a deterrent.
Just because it's described as a deterrent doesn't mean it is a deterrent. It's kinda a no-brainer that it's not a deterrent.
Quote from: I-10east on July 08, 2013, 03:21:04 PM
Yeah Cheshire Cat, I know that people always bring up the obligatory aberration of an 'innocent person on death row' but IMO those are very far and few between, esp in today's modern age with advanced forensics etc. I do not enjoy murderers sitting in jail wasting taxpayers money. I don't think that either of us are gonna change vice-versa mind. We'll just agree to disagree.
It's no aberration I-10, it's a reality. If one random murder is wrong, then one execution of a single innocent individual is wrong and it has happened. We can certainly agree to disagree, but you do understand that the death penalty does not mean the person given the sentence will be killed and off the taxpayers dime anytime soon? The law requires an extensive appeal process that taxpayers pay for and that can take years and is in and of itself a very expensive proposition.
Quote from: ben says on July 08, 2013, 03:23:58 PM
Quote from: stephendare on July 08, 2013, 03:19:43 PM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on July 08, 2013, 03:17:42 PM
The death penalty... is a penalty... not a deterrant.
QuoteThe death penalty doesn't deter crime and this is backed by statistics.
This might make sense if we called it the death deterrant. It is the price paid by the murderer.
Not to be too technical, but it is often described as a deterrent.
Just because it's described as a deterrent doesn't mean it is a deterrent. It's kinda a no-brainer that it's not a deterrent.
de·ter·rent
/diˈtərənt/
Noun
A thing that discourages or is intended to discourage someone from some act.
Adjective
Able or intended to deter.
Obviously, by definition, it is. I'm sure
at least once, there was
at least one person who decided against committing
just one the offenses on a laundry list of offenses through out time that capital punishment was handed out for, such as - murder, adultery, rape, sodomy, incest, treason, apostasy etc. etc. etc.
FCN/JSO is reporting that the suspect was pursued and shot by police; not far from the CVS. He's apparently in surgery at Shands now. I doubt many are hoping he pulls through.
Police have reported that the suspect for the CVS robbery was shot when being apprehended while he attempted to flee by car. There was a swat stake out at an apartment building near Lane Avenue. The suspect is at Shand's in surgery, his condition is considered to be life threatening. There were other individuals in the car with the suspect and they are in custody. A gun was recovered from the suspect. Police say they are still working the Mojo murder case and have not stated whether or not this suspect is indeed connected to the Mojo's crime but there is much speculation that this is the same person. Perhaps those in the car with the suspect will be able to help define if he is the shooter at Mojo's. I am glad the police took the actions necessary to get this dangerous man in custody.
The suspect had been stopped by an undercover police vehicle when they rammed the car he was in. The suspect fled and forced his way into a neighboring Chinese restaurant where a civilian was present. He was taken down in the restaurant.
Quote from: Shwaz on July 08, 2013, 04:08:55 PM
Quote from: ben says on July 08, 2013, 03:23:58 PM
Quote from: stephendare on July 08, 2013, 03:19:43 PM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on July 08, 2013, 03:17:42 PM
The death penalty... is a penalty... not a deterrant.
QuoteThe death penalty doesn't deter crime and this is backed by statistics.
This might make sense if we called it the death deterrant. It is the price paid by the murderer.
Not to be too technical, but it is often described as a deterrent.
Just because it's described as a deterrent doesn't mean it is a deterrent. It's kinda a no-brainer that it's not a deterrent.
de·ter·rent
/diˈtərənt/
Noun
A thing that discourages or is intended to discourage someone from some act.
Adjective
Able or intended to deter.
Obviously, by definition, it is. I'm sure at least once, there was at least one person who decided against committing just one the offenses on a laundry list of offenses through out time that capital punishment was handed out for, such as - murder, adultery, rape, sodomy, incest, treason, apostasy etc. etc. etc.
Oh, I see we've trotted out the Merriam-Webster... that's a way to win an argument, you could at least have found a proper definition of deterrence as it's used in the field of criminology, where a distinction is usually made between general deterrence and specific deterrence. General deterrence being where an individual is publicly punished to discourage others from the same deviant behavior, and specific deterrence is where an individual is punished in an attempt to modify that individual's behavior. The death penalty as a general deterrent hasn't really shown to be very effective, however as a specific deterrent it can't be beat-- it's hard to be a recidivist if you're dead. You know, we could probably stop all crime if we just expanded the death penalty to all infractions.
I think the police said the civilian was working for the restaurant. He tried to bar the door to the suspect, but the suspect shouldered his way inside. I can't imagine how scary that was and in retrospect the realization that is the guy who attempted to shoot a CVS employee in the head, grazing them with a bullet and may also be the Mojo murderer will cause this poor civilian to lose sleep for awhile.
I am thankful that he was apprehended so quickly. Someone who shoots to kill a pharmacy employee and then apparently goes on to rob a poor guy working at 3:00AM just trying to make a living only to murder him in cold blood needs to be extricated from society immediately. He will face some sort of justice at this point, either in the court or in a hospital bed. I am sure the poor person in the Chinese restaurant is in shock. (Note: the police have not formally said he is the Mojo shooter but many folks, including me, believe he likely is.)
I'm glad that they got the so-and-so. I love it when an a-hole try to rob, and an armed citizen takes them out, makes my entire day! No wasted taxpayer money, non of that, just a trip to the morgue, a place that they truly deserve. I encourage any business owner or worker to lock the door during non-operating hours. Recently I walked into this sub shop during non-operating hours, as I was unaware of the time; Luckily for them I was just a patron not aware of the time, and not a robber.
Quote from: I-10east on July 09, 2013, 09:01:34 PM
I'm glad that they got the so-and-so. I love it when an a-hole try to rob, and an armed citizen takes them out, makes my entire day! No wasted taxpayer money, non of that, just a trip to the morgue, a place that they truly deserve. I encourage any business owner or worker to lock the door during non-operating hours. Recently I walked into this sub shop during non-operating hours, as I was unaware of the time; Luckily for them I was just a patron not aware of the time, and not a robber.
There are many who share this sentiment. It is deplorable that a person would place so little value on a human life that they would murder a man in cold blood and attempt to murder another who was likely saved simply because the perpetrators gun jammed. Right now the guy is still alive at Shand's. If he lives, he will have to answer for his horrific acts, if he doesn't it will be as a result of his own actions in response to police and I see some form of justice in that.
Quote from: I-10east on July 09, 2013, 09:01:34 PM
I'm glad that they got the so-and-so. I love it when an a-hole try to rob, and an armed citizen takes them out, makes my entire day! No wasted taxpayer money, non of that, just a trip to the morgue, a place that they truly deserve. I encourage any business owner or worker to lock the door during non-operating hours. Recently I walked into this sub shop during non-operating hours, as I was unaware of the time; Luckily for them I was just a patron not aware of the time, and not a robber.
and lucky for you the staff wasn't armed and mistook you for a bad guy ...
Quote from: Charles Hunter on July 09, 2013, 10:10:45 PM
Quote from: I-10east on July 09, 2013, 09:01:34 PM
I'm glad that they got the so-and-so. I love it when an a-hole try to rob, and an armed citizen takes them out, makes my entire day! No wasted taxpayer money, non of that, just a trip to the morgue, a place that they truly deserve. I encourage any business owner or worker to lock the door during non-operating hours. Recently I walked into this sub shop during non-operating hours, as I was unaware of the time; Luckily for them I was just a patron not aware of the time, and not a robber.
and lucky for you the staff wasn't armed and mistook you for a bad guy ...
Truth!
Quote from: I-10east on July 09, 2013, 09:01:34 PM
I'm glad that they got the so-and-so. I love it when an a-hole try to rob, and an armed citizen takes them out, makes my entire day! No wasted taxpayer money, non of that, just a trip to the morgue, a place that they truly deserve. I encourage any business owner or worker to lock the door during non-operating hours. Recently I walked into this sub shop during non-operating hours, as I was unaware of the time; Luckily for them I was just a patron not aware of the time, and not a robber.
The police shot him, not an armed citizen.
Quote from: Charles Hunter on July 09, 2013, 10:10:45 PM
Quote from: I-10east on July 09, 2013, 09:01:34 PM
I'm glad that they got the so-and-so. I love it when an a-hole try to rob, and an armed citizen takes them out, makes my entire day! No wasted taxpayer money, non of that, just a trip to the morgue, a place that they truly deserve. I encourage any business owner or worker to lock the door during non-operating hours. Recently I walked into this sub shop during non-operating hours, as I was unaware of the time; Luckily for them I was just a patron not aware of the time, and not a robber.
and lucky for you the staff wasn't armed and mistook you for a bad guy ...
+100. You're right, I was gonna edit that in.
Quote from: goldy21 on July 10, 2013, 12:01:25 AM
The police shot him, not an armed citizen.
Yeah, I was just using a hypothetical situation. Although I didn't know that he was shot while under custody; What goes around comes around.
Quote from: skazooz on July 09, 2013, 05:40:26 PM
Quote from: Shwaz on July 08, 2013, 04:08:55 PM
Quote from: ben says on July 08, 2013, 03:23:58 PM
Quote from: stephendare on July 08, 2013, 03:19:43 PM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on July 08, 2013, 03:17:42 PM
The death penalty... is a penalty... not a deterrant.
QuoteThe death penalty doesn't deter crime and this is backed by statistics.
This might make sense if we called it the death deterrant. It is the price paid by the murderer.
Not to be too technical, but it is often described as a deterrent.
Just because it's described as a deterrent doesn't mean it is a deterrent. It's kinda a no-brainer that it's not a deterrent.
de·ter·rent
/diˈtərənt/
Noun
A thing that discourages or is intended to discourage someone from some act.
Adjective
Able or intended to deter.
Obviously, by definition, it is. I'm sure at least once, there was at least one person who decided against committing just one the offenses on a laundry list of offenses through out time that capital punishment was handed out for, such as - murder, adultery, rape, sodomy, incest, treason, apostasy etc. etc. etc.
Oh, I see we've trotted out the Merriam-Webster... that's a way to win an argument, you could at least have found a proper definition of deterrence as it's used in the field of criminology, where a distinction is usually made between general deterrence and specific deterrence. General deterrence being where an individual is publicly punished to discourage others from the same deviant behavior, and specific deterrence is where an individual is punished in an attempt to modify that individual's behavior. The death penalty as a general deterrent hasn't really shown to be very effective, however as a specific deterrent it can't be beat-- it's hard to be a recidivist if you're dead. You know, we could probably stop all crime if we just expanded the death penalty to all infractions.
What an ironically snarky way to split hairs :o
Here is what JSO just posted on their site regarding the suspect now in custody.
Quote
On Wednesday, July 10, 2013 police identified suspect Herman
Pickens. He was identified because citizens in this community called into JSO and First Coast Crime Stoppers giving us helpful information and tips.
We were able to locate the suspect once he was identified. Police officers, in unmarked vehicles, were following a vehicle occupied by the felony suspect. At some point, the driver of the vehicle possibly suspected that the police were following them and attempted to flee. Other officers moved in, blocking the vehicle. The suspect/passenger fled and was chased by officers. An officer caught up with him as he ran through a nearby business. The officer saw that the suspect appeared to be armed as the suspect turned towards him and the officer fired his weapon striking the suspect. The suspect was transported to a local hospital with life threatening injuries. A loaded gun was located in the suspect's possession.
Herman Pickens was shot in his upper torso and pelvic area and is still in the hospital. He has been charged with Attempted Murder, Armed Robbery, and Possession of a Firearm by a Convicted Felon (extensive record).
At this time, we are waiting on evidence to come back from FDLE in reference to the Mojo's BBQ murder.
Thank you to every citizen in Jacksonville that stepped up and did the right thing to help get this armed and dangerous man of the streets of Jacksonville. When we work together and citizens get involved these arrests are able to be made.
https://www.facebook.com/JacksonvilleSheriffsOffice?hc_location=stream
From the TU
QuotePickens has a lengthy record of seven other arrests stretching back to 2008 in Jacksonville, jail records show. Past arrests include charges of grand theft, aggravated battery, cocaine and marijuana possession, resisting arrest, burglary and dealing in stolen property.
His Facebook statuses provide a glimpse into how much he respects women:
https://www.facebook.com/herman.pickens.7?fref=ts
What an upstanding citizen. The judge(s) who have continuously let this thug out on the streets should be ashamed of themselves.
Hope it was a nut shot.
I say end the death penalty..its not working...i say anyone entering jail or prison will do hard labor 12hrs a day with no exceptions...if these thug boys think jail is cool maybe if they had to actually work in stead of hanging out with their buddies all day...jail is not a deterrent..prison is not a detterent...maybe real hard work would deter
Same guy?
(http://i.imgur.com/3xRJPm4l.jpg)
Can you post the latest mug shot of him with his ears exposed next to the new one? Similar looking but hard to say for sure without the ears. Where is the photo on the right from?
This side-by-side is from the JSO's facebook page.
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/1014136_10151517827367896_41351688_n.jpg)
This image is from his facebook page:
(http://i.imgur.com/3xRJPm4l.jpg)
Well, if it is him I think you figured out why he's wearing a hoodie.
Quote from: Garden guy on July 10, 2013, 04:46:05 PM
I say end the death penalty..its not working...i say anyone entering jail or prison will do hard labor 12hrs a day with no exceptions...if these thug boys think jail is cool maybe if they had to actually work in stead of hanging out with their buddies all day...jail is not a deterrent..prison is not a detterent...maybe real hard work would deter
Being that my part time job brings me into contact with those incarcerated or those trying to re-enter society on a daily basis I can assure you prison is a big deterrent. Many who get out never go back, as a matter of fact less than a third will. Now I know one going back is one too many however some people choose to live a lifestyle that is only rewarded with jails cells and prisons. Until they change their mindset, nothing anyone can do will keep them out.
Quote from: Garden guy on July 10, 2013, 04:46:05 PM
I say end the death penalty..its not working...i say anyone entering jail or prison will do hard labor 12hrs a day with no exceptions...if these thug boys think jail is cool maybe if they had to actually work in stead of hanging out with their buddies all day...jail is not a deterrent..prison is not a detterent...maybe real hard work would deter
False. Every man and women assigned a bed in the Florida Department of Corrections is assigned a job. The only exception is those assigned to medical wards or those under solitary punishment. Those that have the custody to be watched in public are picking up trash along the highways, cutting grass at interchanges, working on bridges and drainage ditches around town. Hard labor has proven to be ineffective in the overall rehabilitation of criminals, and when Florida had true "chain gangs" the recidivism rate never dropped below 73% (1982 - lowest year before rules changed in 1996 and recidivism started improving immensely).
Quote from: Jameson on July 10, 2013, 01:47:31 PM
His Facebook statuses provide a glimpse into how much he respects women:
https://www.facebook.com/herman.pickens.7?fref=ts
What an upstanding citizen. The judge(s) who have continuously let this thug out on the streets should be ashamed of themselves.
Not really the judge per se, it is the system. Criminal judges in Florida are surprisingly limited in what they can sentence citizens to. There is a strict set of guidelines that must be followed and it determines the minimum and maximum time that the sentence must fall into. However, if the States Attorney and the Public Defender/Defendants Lawyer reach a plea agreement and are satisfied, the judge may grant that sentence regardless of where it scores on his sentencing guidelines. Angela Corey was famous for touting "tough on crime" however her office was known for making plea deals versus trials in the criminal world. So much so that one of the men that came through our program would only rob people's houses in Duval County because the deals were better if he got caught than in Clay or St Johns County. Criminals are smart. They adapt and survive. Similar to roaches. And honestly, though this individual has a lot of charges, they really aren't that high on the list of crimes. I know that sounds horrible, but it is the truth ... the aggravated battery is probably the charge with the most time, and in Duval County that
may get you sentenced between 13 and 24 months.
Quote from: skazooz on July 09, 2013, 05:40:26 PM
Quote from: Shwaz on July 08, 2013, 04:08:55 PM
Quote from: ben says on July 08, 2013, 03:23:58 PM
Quote from: stephendare on July 08, 2013, 03:19:43 PM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on July 08, 2013, 03:17:42 PM
The death penalty... is a penalty... not a deterrant.
QuoteThe death penalty doesn't deter crime and this is backed by statistics.
This might make sense if we called it the death deterrant. It is the price paid by the murderer.
Not to be too technical, but it is often described as a deterrent.
Just because it's described as a deterrent doesn't mean it is a deterrent. It's kinda a no-brainer that it's not a deterrent.
de·ter·rent
/diˈtərənt/
Noun
A thing that discourages or is intended to discourage someone from some act.
Adjective
Able or intended to deter.
Obviously, by definition, it is. I'm sure at least once, there was at least one person who decided against committing just one the offenses on a laundry list of offenses through out time that capital punishment was handed out for, such as - murder, adultery, rape, sodomy, incest, treason, apostasy etc. etc. etc.
Oh, I see we've trotted out the Merriam-Webster... that's a way to win an argument, you could at least have found a proper definition of deterrence as it's used in the field of criminology, where a distinction is usually made between general deterrence and specific deterrence. General deterrence being where an individual is publicly punished to discourage others from the same deviant behavior, and specific deterrence is where an individual is punished in an attempt to modify that individual's behavior. The death penalty as a general deterrent hasn't really shown to be very effective, however as a specific deterrent it can't be beat-- it's hard to be a recidivist if you're dead. You know, we could probably stop all crime if we just expanded the death penalty to all infractions.
Welcome Skazooz, interesting first post, glad to have you on the boards.
In the eyes of Florida Criminal Law, the death penalty is a punishment. It is the ultimate loss of freedom. It is of no benefit to the taxpayer or the community as a whole (especially since it costs approximately 40% more to hold someone on Death Row), it is simply that their crime was so heinous that no other punishment is deemed suitable by society. This really should be another thread, but I believe in goes back to "an eye for an eye" from the Bible. Don't quote me on that though because I am really not sure.
Quote from: Cheshire Cat on July 10, 2013, 11:51:48 AM
Here is what JSO just posted on their site regarding the suspect now in custody.
Quote
On Wednesday, July 10, 2013 police identified suspect Herman
Pickens. He was identified because citizens in this community called into JSO and First Coast Crime Stoppers giving us helpful information and tips.
We were able to locate the suspect once he was identified. Police officers, in unmarked vehicles, were following a vehicle occupied by the felony suspect. At some point, the driver of the vehicle possibly suspected that the police were following them and attempted to flee. Other officers moved in, blocking the vehicle. The suspect/passenger fled and was chased by officers. An officer caught up with him as he ran through a nearby business. The officer saw that the suspect appeared to be armed as the suspect turned towards him and the officer fired his weapon striking the suspect. The suspect was transported to a local hospital with life threatening injuries. A loaded gun was located in the suspect's possession.
Herman Pickens was shot in his upper torso and pelvic area and is still in the hospital. He has been charged with Attempted Murder, Armed Robbery, and Possession of a Firearm by a Convicted Felon (extensive record).
At this time, we are waiting on evidence to come back from FDLE in reference to the Mojo's BBQ murder.
Thank you to every citizen in Jacksonville that stepped up and did the right thing to help get this armed and dangerous man of the streets of Jacksonville. When we work together and citizens get involved these arrests are able to be made.
https://www.facebook.com/JacksonvilleSheriffsOffice?hc_location=stream
Great job JSO, regardless of whether or not he was involved the Mojo Murder he needed to be off the streets. Hopefully they will find a connection so that the victims family can be at peace. Or that he expires and goes to whatever is in the beyond for him.
For sure, how else could he hide those "years" without his hoodie.
Quote from: ben says on July 08, 2013, 07:28:48 AM
I don't really consider the CVS on San Juan part of or "near" Avondale...but yeah, wtf.
The CVS on San Juan is quite literally walking distance from shops and restaurants that call themselves "Avondale". I hope you weren't expressing neighborhood elitism with that statement.
I do not intend to cast this statement on you, but as a Murray Hill resident, I am disappointed by the arrogance that comes out of many in "Avondale" towards the "westside" and "Murray Hill", often when the lines are blurred anyways. We're all part of the urban core, in the greater "Riverside" area, and we all have a responsibility towards one another. You can't look the other way when something happens 500 yards from a "nicer" part of the neighborhood.
I am just as upset as anyone about this incident, and you wouldn't call that area "Murray Hill".
Quote from: paulirwin on July 10, 2013, 08:13:12 PM
Quote from: ben says on July 08, 2013, 07:28:48 AM
I don't really consider the CVS on San Juan part of or "near" Avondale...but yeah, wtf.
The CVS on San Juan is quite literally walking distance from shops and restaurants that call themselves "Avondale". I hope you weren't expressing neighborhood elitism with that statement.
I do not intend to cast this statement on you, but as a Murray Hill resident, I am disappointed by the arrogance that comes out of many in "Avondale" towards the "westside" and "Murray Hill", often when the lines are blurred anyways. We're all part of the urban core, in the greater "Riverside" area, and we all have a responsibility towards one another. You can't look the other way when something happens 500 yards from a "nicer" part of the neighborhood.
I am just as upset as anyone about this incident, and you wouldn't call that area "Murray Hill".
Paul, an innocent man was shot in the head at CVS and another man murdered most likely by the same suspect and your commentary is about feeling snubbed by some elitists in Avondale? Really? Wow!
JSO is preparing to charge the CVS shooter Herman Pickens with the murder of the man at Mojo's in Avondale.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXsYJfJDu_c&feature=youtu.be
Burn baby burn
Quote from: Cheshire Cat on July 12, 2013, 02:26:28 PM
JSO has charged the CVS shooter Herman Pickens with the murder of the man at Mojo's in Avondale.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXsYJfJDu_c&feature=youtu.be
The video says multiple times that they haven't charged him yet, but they think he's the guy
Quote from: acme54321 on July 12, 2013, 03:31:10 PM
Quote from: Cheshire Cat on July 12, 2013, 02:26:28 PM
JSO has charged the CVS shooter Herman Pickens with the murder of the man at Mojo's in Avondale.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXsYJfJDu_c&feature=youtu.be
The video says multiple times that they haven't charged him yet, but they think he's the guy
Correct! They intend on charging Pickens, just want to build a sound case.
QuoteThe CVS robbery and shooting suspect who was wounded by police will also be charged in the shooting death at a Mojo BBQ in Avondale.
The Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office announced Friday that evidence links 24-year-old Herman Isiah Pickens of Fairfax Street to 54-year-old Robert Sutton’s killing. He was doing maintenance work at the restaurant when the robbery occurred early Monday.
Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2013-07-12/story/suspect-cvs-robbery-officially-linked-mojo-bbq-killing#ixzz2Yrh5Kqa4