In 2011 before Jim Love was elected he said on MetroJacksonville...
In 2005 our association in partnership with the City of Jacksonville completed a major renovation of the commercial district in Riverside. This has led to a revitalization of the businesses in the Park and King Street area and it provided many new jobs. I would like to see projects like this continue throughout Jacksonville.
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2011-feb-jim-love-why-im-running-for-city-council-district-14 (http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2011-feb-jim-love-why-im-running-for-city-council-district-14)
and in the comments under the name "gojax" he said...
I would love to see Downtown Jacksonville as vibrant as Kickbacks on a Friday night.
Yet, at every turn he's made decisions to hamper riverside businesses and to stifle growth. And, now, he's literally going after the parks to make them less usable.
Well politicians will say anything to get elected. Even if they have no intention of following through on their ideas. Looks to me like he fits the standard politician mold. I wish I had voted for Jill Dame.
Quote from: cline on June 25, 2013, 10:17:31 AM
Well politicians will say anything to get elected. Even if they have no intention of following through on their ideas. Looks to me like he fits the standard politician mold. I wish I had voted for Jill Dame.
+1 ...I totally regret voting for Jim Love. What a total flip-flopper. Between him hindering neighborhood development (after saying he was pro-development) and him originally supporting the HRO, but later voting against it (hello, the majority of Jacksonville's open LGBT community live in your district!)...I just can't with him any more. What a sell out.
They did a candidate forum before the election at the Cummer and his background with King Street and how he spoke about the area is why I voted for him.I thought having a candidate from the area would be better than my other choice, Jill Dame. I regret that decision about every time he remarks on or proposes another policy or idea.
It could be that the people he hears from most are those who do not like the changes that have taken place in Riverside. The people he hears from most are the ones he is going to be more responsive to.
There is much to be learned from the last election cycle from who was elected as mayor right down the list of who ended up on the council. All of this reinforces that fact that it is not what a politician says that counts but rather what their record of public service or lack thereof says about them and how they may lead once in office. It's important to know and should be at the front end of discussions and candidate reviews next election.
Cheshire, Certainly your axe against brown has to dull at some point, right??
Brown is not perfect by any stretch, but the other guy openly campaigned against downtown.
on Jim Love:
"He would also work to lower regulations and cut taxes." 3/22/2011
http://jacksonville.com/news/politics/2011-03-22/story/jill-dame-and-jim-love-runoff-jacksonville-city-council-district-14 (http://jacksonville.com/news/politics/2011-03-22/story/jill-dame-and-jim-love-runoff-jacksonville-city-council-district-14)
"Love wrote he's ready to draft legislation to force a moratorium if needed." 5/22/2012
http://jacksonville.com/opinion/blog/403455/steve-patterson/2012-05-22/councilman-jim-love-wants-commercial-moratorium-parts (http://jacksonville.com/opinion/blog/403455/steve-patterson/2012-05-22/councilman-jim-love-wants-commercial-moratorium-parts)
Quote from: Demosthenes on June 25, 2013, 11:23:09 AM
Cheshire, Certainly your axe against brown has to dull at some point, right??
Brown is not perfect by any stretch, but the other guy openly campaigned against downtown.
It has nothing to do with Brown the individual but much to do with his actions in office here and before arriving here. There is much the public does not know about Brown's brand of doing business as well as the fact there are other ongoing investigations. Our city needs honest and competent leadership and we the taxpayers deserve it. This also has nothing to do with who ran for mayor last time around. It has to do with who is currently mayor and the damage that he is doing to our credibility, finances and future. There was more than one other candidate who would have been preferable in the office of mayor in my opinion, but that is past history. I am worried about how we as a city are represented going forward. Having said this, I think the original question on this thread about Jim Love's representation once elected is a very good question. It is very difficult to understand what his agenda and thinking is at this point.
Politicians can certainly change their stripes--Gov Scott is now for funding education, and likes teachers, and poor folk. Who thought that was possible????
Quote from: mbwright on June 25, 2013, 02:05:17 PM
Politicians can certainly change their stripes--Gov Scott is now for funding education, and likes teachers, and poor folk. Who thought that was possible????
I think Scott discovered his love of teachers when he felt the backlash to his already extremely low popularity numbers. Don't be dissing our teachers!
No insult intended. My father was a teacher. Politicians just can' t be trusted. You know when they are lying, when their mouths are moving.
I was told he was overheard at a party saying 'My sons may not be smart but at least they date women.'
And this guy represents the most sophisticated, diverse district in Jacksonville?? When he didn't vote for the full HRO bill to protect the entire gay and lesbian community from employment and housing discrimination, I knew I'd made a huge mistake voting for Jim Love. Wish I could take that vote back.
Looking forward to a new, better city council next time around. Throw these bums out!
Quote from: Cheshire Cat on June 25, 2013, 10:47:40 AM
There is much to be learned from the last election cycle from who was elected as mayor right down the list of who ended up on the council.
I may not be thrilled with Alvin Brown, but Mike Hogan would have been an unmitigated disaster....the lesson here is that the Republicans split their votes....allowing Alvin Brown to beat Audrey Moran, the most qualified candidate in the race
I'm posting this link to the Willowbranch Park thread about Jim Love and the removal of the basket ball nets for History.
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,18750.msg333694.html#msg333694 (http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,18750.msg333694.html#msg333694)
Cat, did you get my PM?
“no plan survives first contact with the enemy.†I think Jim Love is reacting to the situations put in front of him.
Do any of you who are complaining live near Park & King? There are now THREE bars at the intersection of Post & King, Kickbacks is building an extension, The Salty Fig is open across from Kickbacks. THERE IS NO PARKING FOR RESIDENTS IN THE EVENINGS.
If Jim wants to slow neighborhood development in my neighborhood, now that he sees what it has done to the people who actually live here, then he certainly represents me on City Council.
The challenges associated with a flourishing, dynamic neighborhood are not solved by sneaky anti-business ordinances of the kind CM Love and those that influence him favor. This proclivity of his has the potential to cause untold damage for YEARS, as has, while we're on the subject, RAP's favorite tactic of insisting on the construction of new parking lots even when to do so requires the demolition of an existing building (an UTTERLY BIZARRE subversion of that organization's role as a preservation group).
Quote from: Bright Crow on June 27, 2013, 01:24:19 PM
THERE IS NO PARKING FOR RESIDENTS IN THE EVENINGS
Do you mean on the street, or in your driveway? I didn't realize you were entitled to the roadway in front of your house.
The businesses didn't cause the problem, they are just exacerbating it. The problem was caused by our inability to think outside the automobile shaped box.
Quote from: Shine on June 27, 2013, 11:22:26 AM
“no plan survives first contact with the enemy.†I think Jim Love is reacting to the situations put in front of him.
That is all anyone can do.
Quote from: Bright Crow on June 27, 2013, 01:24:19 PM
Do any of you who are complaining live near Park & King? There are now THREE bars at the intersection of Post & King, Kickbacks is building an extension, The Salty Fig is open across from Kickbacks. THERE IS NO PARKING FOR RESIDENTS IN THE EVENINGS.
If Jim wants to slow neighborhood development in my neighborhood, now that he sees what it has done to the people who actually live here, then he certainly represents me on City Council.
Wow...that area always looks like it has PLENTY of street parking to me...if the problem is that a driveway is blocked, a concerted effort of calling in the tow trucks will quickly teach patrons lessons (the fact that there isn't an army of tow trucks on standby there waiting to pounce and capitalize [or cabs aside from maybe 1-2] tells me that business owners are missing out and homeowners fail to see their options).
My experience with these sort of neighborhoody bar areas in car-oriented cities is that if the area poses parking hazards (such as $$ to park, crazy tow enforcement, the dreaded boot, lack of parking, etc), then fans of patronizing the area adapt - cabs, carpool, maybe even move/live there...
My experience going out in Jax is that 1) I never see any cabs, so I know people aren't using them to the extent they should. 2) Really there is no area with *that* many bars, we're talking 3-5 at most in any given area?...so parking is actually abundant despite what people want to say. 3) Parking is always free (perhaps there should be a pay lot on that old gas station?...someone makes money and homeowners' problems solved). 4) I don't know anyone who has ever had their car towed or booted in Jax - bad parking or illegal parking is simply not enforced when it could very well be as it is in every other city I've been in. This is the big one, I think.
Aside from that...it's unrealistic to complain about traffic, congestion, noise, density, parking, etc when we're talking about few bars in any one area, plenty of spacing between homes and businesses (relative to most cities), a population density of 3-4,000 ppsm on average and rarely higher, and free and abundant surface and street parking everywhere you look. So what's the problem? Jim Love should be complaining about people not maintaining their personal property and lowering the property values of an entire area and conversely the tax base before he complains about well-respected and successful businesses boosting the desirability and value of an area (and lowering crime I might add with their more round the clock presence and eyes to the street). The priorities are simply backwards, but what's new?
Quote from: Bright Crow on June 27, 2013, 01:24:19 PM
Do any of you who are complaining live near Park & King? There are now THREE bars at the intersection of Post & King, Kickbacks is building an extension, The Salty Fig is open across from Kickbacks. THERE IS NO PARKING FOR RESIDENTS IN THE EVENINGS.
If Jim wants to slow neighborhood development in my neighborhood, now that he sees what it has done to the people who actually live here, then he certainly represents me on City Council.
I live on Park Street, but I think you mean POST Street.
And I think I need to walk up to Kickback this evening and have a beer.
Quote from: Bright Crow on June 27, 2013, 01:24:19 PM
Do any of you who are complaining live near Park & King? There are now THREE bars at the intersection of Post & King, Kickbacks is building an extension, The Salty Fig is open across from Kickbacks. THERE IS NO PARKING FOR RESIDENTS IN THE EVENINGS.
If Jim wants to slow neighborhood development in my neighborhood, now that he sees what it has done to the people who actually live here, then he certainly represents me on City Council.
Except the parking doesn't 'belong' to the residents, it's
public parking. If you have a problem with that, the solution is simple: Either move somewhere else, where you don't dictate the activities of 1,000 other people to suit your convenience, or else buy a small enough number of vehicles that they all fit in your driveway. "Problem" (notice the quotation marks) solved.
Quote from: ChriswUfGator on June 27, 2013, 09:42:03 PM
Except the parking doesn't 'belong' to the residents, it's public parking. If you have a problem with that, the solution is simple: Either move somewhere else, where you don't dictate the activities of 1,000 other people to suit your convenience, or else buy a small enough number of vehicles that they all fit in your driveway. "Problem" (notice the quotation marks) solved.
good point...there are lots on rentals in that area and as such lots of residents end up fighting for on street parking with those that patronize these businesses.
why can't people park in the bank's parking lot on king about 2 blks away from kickbacks et al? there must be about 100 spaces there.
The rentals almost always have off-street parking as well. The problem is a mindset. The houses and smaller number of apartment buildings in that area were built back when you generally had 1, rarely maybe 2, cars per family. Now, especially with our auto-centric society in Jacksonville, every household's got each adult having a car plus one for each of the kids, and sometimes a spare. The place simply wasn't designed for it, and so it spilled over into street parking.
The "problem" arose when the neighborhood's economy turned for the better and long-vacant commercial spaces filled up. All of a sudden you have customers again, using the street parking for exactly what it was designed for. This has led to a disproportionately loud outcry from a small number of residents who see the street in front of their house as 'their' private parking lot rather than the public right of way and public parking it really is.
These squeaky wheels have attempted to force all residents to buy neighborhood parking passes or risk being towed, have called code enforcement, the police, etc., and resorted to opposing business development by passing moratoriums on permitting and attempting to thwart any business opening which they feel will contribute to this manufactured parking "problem."
This really is not a problem, it's just a couple squeaky wheels who can't or won't understand that a public street and public parking aren't their personal fiefdom, or that having to walk a quarter block instead of being able to park directly in front of their house isn't actually a "problem." It's really the height of "me first, f*ck you" diplomacy, and this alleged parking problem is in reality nonexistent. You make some trade offs when you move to a historic neighborhood, and one of them is that this isn't some private cul de sac at jax country club. If you have 4 cars and can't always get guaranteed parking right in front of your house, that's not a "problem," its just the design of the place, and it has been like that for 100 years before they moved in. The solution isn't getting rid of everybody else to create private parking out of what's supposed to be a public street.
Quote from: Apache on June 27, 2013, 01:31:09 PM
Quote from: Bright Crow on June 27, 2013, 01:24:19 PM
Do any of you who are complaining live near Park & King? There are now THREE bars at the intersection of Post & King, Kickbacks is building an extension, The Salty Fig is open across from Kickbacks. THERE IS NO PARKING FOR RESIDENTS IN THE EVENINGS.
If Jim wants to slow neighborhood development in my neighborhood, now that he sees what it has done to the people who actually live here, then he certainly represents me on City Council.
Don't bring that anti-business junk up in here Crow!
Besides, drinking and eating and drinking is an important aspect of our hood. And these are family friendly places.
I do agree with you on some points; Post and King is a nightmare. However, in doing so, he is hurting local businesses across the entire riverside region, blanketing the problems for one intersection and strip, extending it into various potentially rejuvenated areas that need a face lift. He should focus on that parking issue specifically and it shouldn't involve the city nosing around the five points area. Why should everyone have to be punished for it?
^The streets were not designed for the amount of cars each individual family owns today or for many of the auto trips being made today. During its early and densest years, more lived, worked, played, walked, biked, and used mass transit than they do today.
What should be considered bad planning over the decades is the creation and implementation of policies that promote more auto trip use over alternative modes of transportation. It's an issue that negatively impacts the entire city and one that has largely destroyed downtown.
With that said, there's no parking capacity problem, when compared with popular urban neighborhoods across the country. A major goal should be to find easy solutions that balance mobility choices by people living, working and visiting the area.
Quote from: Apache on June 28, 2013, 06:28:21 AM
I don't think the demographic of the normal renter in the Post & King area includes
families with kids and multiple cars including one for each kid and possibly an extra.
Much more singles, young couples and if they have children they are not driving age.
That's a generalization of course but that's much more likely there than the family
Described above.
If anything the issue is these renters entertaining and having many cars of their friends
outside their house.
And if those streets were designed for on street parking then someone did a poor job.
I take Post to go home often. Any time after happy hour it's like a game of frogger with
Oncoming traffic for blocks either side of Post & King.
The vast majority of homes in that area are single family residences, with a much smaller number of apartments sprinkled in. It's the actual homeowners, or at least a vocal minority of them, who are causing this "problem," not the renters, and not the businesses that are simply using public parking for its intended purpose.
Look, I'll admit that I'm guilty of this myself, I have 3 cars and I live in Riverside and only have a 2 car garage. Which makes me a schmuck by my own definition. The difference, and where it crosses the line, is that I'm not running around trying to get rid of my neighbors so I don't have to walk 100 feet if the spot right in front is taken. The reality is that there's always parking around here, even at king street, at any time of the day. The "problem" is that you might actually have to walk 100 feet instead of parking directly next to your house. Which of course is not a "problem."
Quote from: Apache on June 28, 2013, 09:48:08 AM
I follow. You are both saying it's a perceived problem rather than an actual one.
Changing that perception then seems a good goal as well.
Why is it so hard to change peoples perception on the issue?
It took over 50 years to get to this point so it takes time to change perception ingrained over such an extensive period of time. On the other hand, as the population changes (via newcomers moving into the area) so will overall perception.
QuoteAnd if it truly is a vocal minority, then who cares if they complain?
Numbers don't really matter. The squeaky wheel typically gets greased, especially if that wheel is politically influential.
QuoteI can say two things about parking around Park/Post and King and around the Shoppes in Avondale
1) I drive through both areas multiple times a day, and often it LOOKS as if there is most certainly a parking problem.
I've never had a problem parking in either of these districts. Ate at the Fox yesterday and parked literally right in front of it. The furthest I've ever had to park was a block away from the Garage during a pub crawl last November. In the 1990s, when Ybor was really going in Tampa, I used to park four to five blocks away from my desired destination. However, that wasn't a big deal to me either. In DC, driving was actually a real hassle. Thinking about it, even going to school in Tallahassee, you couldn't park adjacent to your classes. Guess that's just my perception of moving here from other areas.
Quote2) I have personally never changed my plans on the fly due to not being able to find parking. An extra couple minutes searching or walking the extra 100 yards. (although I often have parked in the driveway of a certain WLA member when it's peak hours, just to irk him)
You have a longer walk parking at SJTC or your average Walmart. The only place locally I've ever changed my plans on the fly locally is downtown Jax. That typically revolves around not having a quarter for meters and not wanting to pay more to park in the garages. With those situations, I ended up spending money destined for downtown in Springfield, San Marco, Arlington and Riverside.
Quote from: Bright Crow on June 27, 2013, 01:24:19 PM
Do any of you who are complaining live near Park & King? There are now THREE bars at the intersection of Post & King, Kickbacks is building an extension, The Salty Fig is open across from Kickbacks. THERE IS NO PARKING FOR RESIDENTS IN THE EVENINGS.
If Jim wants to slow neighborhood development in my neighborhood, now that he sees what it has done to the people who actually live here, then he certainly represents me on City Council.
I live on Post a block west of King. Other than late Friday and Saturday night street parking is easily available in the area. I bought my house three years ago and love what has gone in and excited whenever I hear of more stuff coming to the area.
Any parking problem is just a perceived issue thinking that you should be able to pull up to a business like your in the sub burbs or that the street in front of your house is only parking for you.
Quote from: Apache on June 28, 2013, 09:48:08 AM
I follow. You are both saying it's a perceived problem rather than an actual one.
Changing that perception then seems a good goal as well.
Why is it so hard to change peoples perception on the issue?
And if it truly is a vocal minority, then who cares if they complain?
I can say two things about parking around Park/Post and King and around the Shoppes in Avondale
1) I drive through both areas multiple times a day, and often it LOOKS as if there is most certainly a parking problem.
2) I have personally never changed my plans on the fly due to not being able to find parking. An extra couple minutes searching or walking the extra 100 yards. (although I often have parked in the driveway of a certain WLA member when it's peak hours, just to irk him)
Here's where Jax mentality is still in the stone ages. I come home, friends come home, and we want to grab lunch at Whiteway or dinner at Pele's or a beer at Kickback's. Everybody's off "doing their own thing" so we "meet" at a specific time at said places, which means you have maybe one car with 2 occupants (that's good for Jax) and 3 other cars for 3 separate occupants all meeting...yet we're really all coming from the Avondale/Ortega area and it doesn't have to be like that.
Then I keep harping on cabs - NOBODY takes them, so you have too many single/double occupant cars at night being driven by drunk drivers and taking up too much parking. Obviously I can't compare this to SF which is leagues different, but in Atlanta and Nashville you simply couldn't drive in alone like that if you tried - parking is much more tight (and usually not free), many more bars/restaurants in these areas, and cabs are heavily used by most. Jax needs to evolve to this (I'd love to see more cars crammed with people and with a DD, and a line of cabs for others).
I live near the King St. district (on College) and I certainly don't mind people parking in the street in front of my house (it may even prevent burglaries since it makes it look like someone's at home even if we're not) and I will say 9 times out of 10, most people are very considerate of not blocking my driveway or pulling up over the curb and parking in the grass in the tree lawn (which can leave big ugly ruts if the ground is wet).
However, I do have a problem when I occasionally come home after work to find my driveway blocked (and I'm not talking a foot of bumper here either, I mean full-on using the cut-in of the driveway as a parking spot--I'm not a parking fascist!). In that case, I simply park in the nearest on-street spot I can find and call one of the tow truck companies I keep on speed dial on my phone and within 30-45 minutes (if the person has not come back and moved their car themselves) the problem is solved.
I feel bad for having people's cars towed, but I'm paying the mortgage and property taxes for my house and that includes being able to come and go when I like without having to engage in an amateur demolition derby. And as most here have stated before, if you don't mind having to walk a block or two from the bar or restaurant you're visiting, there are tons of parking spots available on side streets without blocking driveways or parking on lawns closer to the action on King St.
I would ditch my car in a minute to be able to use streetcar or commuter rail to get to work--I'm only about five miles or so from where I work on the other side of I-10 and I do occasionally bike in, but I still drive in most days--but at present unless you want to get to work hot and sweaty from biking in 90 degree heat or leave two hours early to catch a bus, you still really need a car to get around in this town, and that's the real problem here.
QuoteI would ditch my car in a minute to be able to use streetcar or commuter rail to get to work--I'm only about five miles or so from where I work on the other side of I-10 and I do occasionally bike in, but I still drive in most days--but at present unless you want to get to work hot and sweaty from biking in 90 degree heat or leave two hours early to catch a bus, you still really need a car to get around in this town, and that's the real problem here.
This is where a lot of our immediate focus should be. From what I understand, JTA is currently looking at possibly revamping their entire bus system. Hopefully, our neighborhoods and residents will play an active role in that study's outcome.
I usually hate to address the parking situation, because parking isnt the problem and more parking isn't the solution, but i'll do it this once. I think part of the problem is that the district itself is so small and the perceived "safe" area is also small. Also, people just don't know the area so they don't know where to park.
Real districts stretch for blocks in all directions. Usually districts are a grid of shops and bars, not a single street. If the King Street area was a larger destination with things spanning more blocks, the parking would disperse across a broader area and be less concentrated. King street is really just 1 block, with 3 roads to use as parking. Anything north of college is perceived as 'scary' and the super-blocks going both east and west reduce parking on the cross streets. It would be great if streets like West & Green were better lit and more used. Downing street is closer to that area than where most of the cars park on Post. I often park on Forbes, which is pretty empty west of king. Parking in front of the bank is really easy and never crowded. I rarely have to search for a spot because I don't mess with post or college.
Quote from: Bright Crow on June 27, 2013, 01:24:19 PM
Do any of you who are complaining live near Park & King? There are now THREE bars at the intersection of Post & King, Kickbacks is building an extension, The Salty Fig is open across from Kickbacks. THERE IS NO PARKING FOR RESIDENTS IN THE EVENINGS.
If Jim wants to slow neighborhood development in my neighborhood, now that he sees what it has done to the people who actually live here, then he certainly represents me on City Council.
I live nearby, like having a wonderful walkable neighborhood that isn't full of drug dealers and hookers, you can thank Kickbacks for that.
Oh, and the parking for residents is in your driveway, the parking on the street is public. Do us all a favor and move out to the exurbs.
Jim Love voted FOR the mayor's budget. Discuss
Jim Love is toast.
Quote from: zedsdead on July 26, 2013, 11:39:36 AM
Jim Love voted FOR the mayor's budget. Discuss
not true...there has been no vote on the budget....Love just voted NO on the bill to turn down the pension plan.
It is no mystery that I did not vote for Brown, I lost. I did vote for my neighbor Jim Love. The two quickly realized the easiest thing about the election was getting elected. Leading and Serving is the hard part. The Mayor held a meeting with the non-profits last week and ended it telling them that he gets calls and emails about the homeless and he doesn't have the resources for it, and that the non-profits don't get "it", whatever that is. Leading a city with as many messes as we have is not easy, for anyone.
All the new people on the council, they are new and learning. Jill would have been new too. I believe King Street, Avondale and 5-Points benefit from Jim and his urban experiences. He did work to broker a deal with Mellow Mushroom and the Avondale residents. He did work with Steve Flores and Kickbacks. He did work with Jon Insetta and the construction of Black Sheep in 5-points.
We recently were inundated with new graffiti from the "H3" gang in our neighborhood. I called Jim and asked him if he could get public works to paint over the graffiti, and it took a few weeks, but it happened. The process works, it does not work at the snap of a finger.
Parking is going to really stink when 5-points gets all those empty shops filled. Get ready Riverside for more of a parking CRUSH. I did see today that new patrons to Riverside are leaving their tires and trash behind. Success brings new problems. But it is still better than 10 years ago. The Brick opened up in 2003, it has been with us for 10 years, amazing, and the changes during those 10 years have been amazing too.
QuoteHe did work to broker a deal with Mellow Mushroom and the Avondale residents. He did work with Steve Flores and Kickbacks. He did work with Jon Insetta and the construction of Black Sheep in 5-points.
That's literally the funniest and most bizarre thing you have ever said.
QuoteThat's literally the funniest and most bizarre thing you have ever said.
Check the records, I have been blasted for far worse. lol
Quote from: mtraininjax on July 28, 2013, 10:59:04 AM
QuoteThat's literally the funniest and most bizarre thing you have ever said.
Check the records, I have been blasted for far worse. lol
To say he 'brokered deals' in those situation is absolutely absurd.
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Quote from: mtraininjax on Today at 10:59:04 AM
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That's literally the funniest and most bizarre thing you have ever said.
Check the records, I have been blasted for far worse. lol
To say he 'brokered deals' in those situation is absolutely absurd.
unless you include Neville Chamberlain as an example of a successful broker
No politician ever took credit for backdoor politics? In this town? Give me a break. John Peyton brought us a Super Bowl remember? lol!
Quote from: fieldafm on July 28, 2013, 10:36:53 AM
QuoteHe did work to broker a deal with Mellow Mushroom and the Avondale residents. He did work with Steve Flores and Kickbacks. He did work with Jon Insetta and the construction of Black Sheep in 5-points.
That's literally the funniest and most bizarre thing you have ever said.
Thought the same thing.
^+1 If brokering deals is what you think Jim Love's been doing then you haven't been paying attention.
I don't believe anyone will satisfy the demands of all these voices in District 14. We shall see in a few years if someone else can do a better job.
Quote from: mtraininjax on July 28, 2013, 10:29:00 AM
I believe King Street, Avondale and 5-Points benefit from Jim and his urban experiences. He did work to broker a deal with Mellow Mushroom and the Avondale residents. He did work with Steve Flores and Kickbacks. He did work with Jon Insetta and the construction of Black Sheep in 5-points.
That's really a stretch, when did the definition of "worked with" change to "actively blocked"? The fact that he lost doesn't change the definition of the phrase, you know.
QuoteThat's really a stretch, when did the definition of "worked with" change to "actively blocked"? The fact that he lost doesn't change the definition of the phrase, you know.
When I have dinner with Steve, I'll ask him if Jim actively blocked Steve and his progress. Jim has really done a lot to help Steve, with offering for people to park in back of his lot, for YEARS. So before elected, he did what he could to help Steve. Granted, Jim owns the building next to Steve, so you protect your building interest, and I have discussed with Jim some of his concerns, but Steve is moving forward and able to grow.
Timing is everything, had Steve been focused on the restaurant business when Pete and Rebecca were running it, he could have had all of the growth completed and been done by now, and he probably would have escaped all those foreclosed properties. Both Steve and Jim are good guys and great for the community, IMO.