Does anyone have more info about a proposed neighborhood parking permit for Riverside/Avondale?
First I've heard about it. Another thing to file away under "Why we can't have nice things"
Interesting. Riverside/Avondale hasn't really reached a level of commercial, residential or mixed-use density where neighborhood residential parking permits make sense. I'd be interested to see if this would be self funded by that neighborhood's residents/businesses and if the maintenance of local streets partitioned aside would become the neighborhood's sole responsibility.
Just cause I've never heard of such a thing don't make it impossible. But just off the cuff if something like this comes about forget me coming to visit or patronize any businesses in the area.
It is the kind of thing my gated communities and HOAs would welcome.
If you live in Avondale, as I do, then you should learn how to walk a few blocks - after all, we live in one of, if not the, most walkable neighborhoods in the city.
That has to be a rumor. What a silly thing to waste time on. Get a bike!
I live in Avondale and haven't heard anything. I just got back from NY and I probably walked 15 miles. People need to be less car dependent and walk/bike more.
If interested, here is how Annapolis, MD does it:
http://library.municode.com/HTML/16754/level2/TIT12VETR_CH12.32SPREPADI.html#TIT12VETR_CH12.32SPREPADI_12.32.020PAREWIDI (http://library.municode.com/HTML/16754/level2/TIT12VETR_CH12.32SPREPADI.html#TIT12VETR_CH12.32SPREPADI_12.32.020PAREWIDI)
And here's the other thing they do:
QuoteFREE PARKING PERMIT for City Residents!
Park Annapolis and the City of Annapolis are excited to offer City residents FREE PARKING for up to two hours per day at one of our four parking garages in downtown Annapolis.
Hillman Garage
Knighton Garage
Gott’s Court Garage
Park Place Garage
To receive a monthly allocation of temporary two-hour vouchers, please visit the Noah Hillman parking garage office, located at 150 Gorman Street, to fill out an application.
Residents must show a valid driver’s license with a current Annapolis address. This information will be cross-checked with the current registration list. The vouchers will be valid through the end of the year.
The Hillman parking garage office will be prepared to distribute the vouchers Monday through Friday, during regular business hours. You can also call Park Annapolis at (410) 972-4726.
The new two-hour residential parking program will be rolled out in early 2013.
*Please Note: There are a limited number of Residential Parking Permits available! Permits are issued on a first-come, first-served basis. A decal does not give you access to a facility at capacity.
Residential Parking Permit Restrictions:
Discount may not be used with any other discount or coupon.
To obtain this discount, driver must insert voucher into machine upon exit after inserting entrance ticket.
I think the free decal idea would be great for Downtown, but Annapolis as a whole is much denser than Jacksonville's Riverside/ Avondale area. I know that getting a parking spot even blocks from your home can be an issue, at least it was when I lived there years ago. And that in some areas, they are talking about streets laid out and developed about 200 years ago. A bit different than the somewhat auto eccentric (for it's day) Riverside and Avondale area. Also note that the fees are higher if you have off street parking available. If you want more cars, you gotta pay.
If one is adopted it strikes me as just another veiled anti-business move. I think the majority of R/A residents already walk/bike to destinations of choice. What causes rows of cars within a block of two of Kings St are people coming from other parts of town. If a Parking Permit situation is implemented those people quit coming and businesses suffer.
From what I understand, it may be considered as part of the transportation & parking study that is just getting started
Is that study considering the impact of alternative forms of mobility on parking? Or this straight autocentric-based?
Quote from: thelakelander on May 29, 2013, 10:18:50 PM
Is that study considering the impact of alternative forms of mobility on parking? Or this straight autocentric-based?
I would hope that a comprehensive parking study completed by paid consultant would look at all options, including alternative mobility options.
I'm in no way advocating for this, but St. Augustine has a few very small areas that require permits.
http://www.staugustinegovernment.com/businesses/parking.cfm
Residential Parking
Some specific areas of St. Augustine neighborhoods have parking spaces designated for residential parking only. In order to park in these spaces, residents must purchase a parking permit from the city. A resident’s pass is $30 and is valid for one calendar year.
Obtaining a permit is simple but must be obtained in person. A resident need only bring the vehicle to the Financial Services Center, 50 Bridge St., along with a valid driver’s license, the car’s registration and proof of residence such as a utility bill that includes the person’s name and address.
Residents may also purchase a guest pass good for one week for $10. For that purchase the resident and the guest must go to the Police Department with the vehicle to be permitted, its registration and the guest’s license.
Currently there are three residential parking areas in the city:
14 spaces on the west side of Avenida Menendez between Bridge St. and St. Francis St.
12 spaces on the north side of Saragossa St. between Cordova St. and Sevilla St.
19 spaces on the north side of Saragossa St. between Riberia St. and Ponce de Leon Blvd (US-1)
For more information, call the Parking Coordinator at 904.825.1034. Additional information on the Residential Parking Program is available here http://staugustinegovernment.com/residents/ResidentialParkingOrdinance.cfm
Makes more sense in St. Augustine. Narrow streets, dense residential, a college, and historic commercial district fueled by millions of tourist, all within a compact pedestrian scale setting. St. Augustine has more in common with a place like Annapolis than it does with Riverside/Avondale.
In regards to Avondale, though, it's more delusions of grandeur. Don't think for a second that if I have to jump through even more hoops than I already have to jump through on a weekend to go to the Fox or Blue Fish that I won't just go somewhere else. They can have their little parking stickers, and I'll have my brunch elsewhere.
Quote from: thelakelander on May 30, 2013, 09:17:24 AM
Makes more sense in St. Augustine. Narrow streets, dense residential, a college, and historic commercial district fueled by millions of tourist, all within a compact pedestrian scale setting. St. Augustine has more in common with a place like Annapolis than it does with Riverside/Avondale.
What is most interesting to me is that St. Augustine only has the neighborhood parking in 2 spots. Along Saragossa where there are a lot of B&B's and Avenida Mendez which is on the waterfront and close to dining/bars/lodging. There are quite a few residential areas close to the touristy/commercial spots that do not have neighborhood parking permits. So it appears that St. Augustine only uses it in EXTREMELY bad parking situations.
Quote from: thelakelander on May 29, 2013, 10:18:50 PM
Is that study considering the impact of alternative forms of mobility on parking? Or this straight autocentric-based?
While the study is just now getting started, the rumor I heard is that when this was first planned some time ago, it went from being a holistic transportation study to just one focused on parking.
That's bad info....
Please, please get out of your cars and take the streetcars to the area! Oh, that's right. They aren't there anymore.
While they should certainly be a part of a long term solution for the area's perceived vehicular woes, there are a lot more multimodal options and solutions available than streetcars or only focusing on motorized vehicles.
Quote from: thelakelander on May 30, 2013, 01:27:42 PM
While they should certainly be a part of a long term solution for the area's perceived vehicular woes, there are a lot more multimodal options and solutions available than streetcars or only focusing on motorized vehicles.
You can't go from point A to point Z by skipping over steps B through Y.
This parking permit talk skips over essentially every other reasonable option that could be explored first, and which have worked in communities with far higher densities than Avondale. One 'novel' idea is to restrict on street parking to only one side of the street. If parking passes get implemented, are the homeowners then also going to fund and abide by private road maintenance agreements?
I would think step A would be have an actual parking problem. A problem BTW I deny exists.
Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet. None of you fools have ever been through a divorce, much less four like ole Kaiser Soze. My guess is that this study has far more to do with evidence than it does any sort damn sticker. WLA was told they lacked evidence (other than condoms and well-fertilized trees) of a parking issue. Well, hell, they are creating evidence with this study.
Quote from: stephendare on May 30, 2013, 02:20:12 PMif RAP attempts this, then they should be forced to pay a very high lease for the use of what the public owns.
Remind me why RAP's name was brought into this?
Quote from: Steve on June 07, 2013, 11:35:47 AM
Quote from: stephendare on May 30, 2013, 02:20:12 PMif RAP attempts this, then they should be forced to pay a very high lease for the use of what the public owns.
Remind me why RAP's name was brought into this?
Steve-
Is there not a RAP subcommittee discussing the issues of a Neighborhood Parking permit?