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The closed Forest Park in 2008.
Intuition Ale Works is considering building a 20,000 brewery and 2,500 tap room at Forest and Margaret Street in Mixon Town. The site is the location of COJ's closed Forest Park, near I-95 and across the street from the animal shelter. Assuming the EPA cleans the site, which was a city incinerator decades ago, and the city agrees to sell a portion to Intuition, the brewery would be built along Forest Street and Intuition would partially fund the construction of a new city park on the remaining portion of the property along McCoys Creek Boulevard. Intuition's King Street location would be closed.
From the T-U, but it's members only:
QuoteIntuition Ale Works founder Ben Davis has been looking a second location for his brewery for about a year now. He originally had his eye on downtown, but that didn’t work.
Now he’s found a spot to move and enlarge his brewery: A piece of city-owned property on Forest Street that’s currently a park that’s closed because the ground is contaminated by ash from a city incinerator.
http://members.jacksonville.com/business/premium-business/2013-05-19/story/intuition-hopes-build-bigger-brewery-site-closed-city# (http://members.jacksonville.com/business/premium-business/2013-05-19/story/intuition-hopes-build-bigger-brewery-site-closed-city#)
I see a new brew .... Toxic Ash Dark Ale
I see promotional tie-ins ... get a puppy, get a coupon for Intuition
A new Mayor Brown Kayak logo on McCoys Creek. We need another round over here! Great news.
Great for the city at large, but OUCH for the King Street area.
Seems like it's too much trouble to accommodate their growth on King Street. I'm just happy Ben isn't trying to move Intuition into some random suburban industrial park. I wonder if his plans include reusing that concrete building at the closed park, shown in the image above?
Quote from: Hayley on May 19, 2013, 09:00:22 AM
Great for the city at large, but OUCH for the King Street area.
I'd say ouch for Intuition as well. That area looks to be in the middle of nowhere & mostly abandoned. http://goo.gl/maps/DDkuE
Growth issues or not, they'll still sell & distribute a lot of beer I'm sure, but I can't imagine many people are gonna make the trek up there to drink in their tap room. That synergy that they shared with the rest of King, people walking up there from the district, biking, etc will be gone.
When Intuition came to King, it wasn't what it is today. If they do end up relocating to the Forest Street site, there's an opportunity for additional redevelopment in the area. After all, it really isn't that far from the Brooklyn developments and that interchange is supposed to be a gateway to downtown.
I've worked around the corner from that location for over 20 years, and I wouldn't go near that area after dark. I'm sure people will spin this as a good move, but that is as dangerous an area as there is in Jacksonville.
Quote from: thelakelander on May 19, 2013, 07:55:45 PM
When Intuition came to King, it wasn't what it is today. If they do end up relocating to the Forest Street site, there's an opportunity for additional redevelopment in the area. After all, it really isn't that far from the Brooklyn developments and that interchange is supposed to be a gateway to downtown.
I realize that, but still. I think its apples & oranges. They had the already established district on King (Kickbacks & everything surrounding that) plus all the businesses on Park St backing them up, somewhat walkable, in a real neighborhood, etc. There was a definite vibe already there, which is not the case on Forest. They're basically surrounded by a highway, an interstate overpass & nothingness.
Unless I'm missing something, I don't see how they can turn that area into anything since there's just not much to work with. It'll take years & years if they do.
There's a highway (great visibility) but there are a lot of old warehouses on the side streets between Forest and Edison. On the other side of the overpass, there's also land for infill between I-95 and Park Street. Nevertheless, you're right in that it will be Riverside's loss. They've simply outgrown the space and it doesn't appear the surrounding context and environment presents the opportunity to expand at the current facility.
Quote from: peestandingup on May 19, 2013, 07:39:45 PM
Quote from: Hayley on May 19, 2013, 09:00:22 AM
Great for the city at large, but OUCH for the King Street area.
I'd say ouch for Intuition as well. That area looks to be in the middle of nowhere & mostly abandoned. http://goo.gl/maps/DDkuE
Growth issues or not, they'll still sell & distribute a lot of beer I'm sure, but I can't imagine many people are gonna make the trek up there to drink in their tap room. That synergy that they shared with the rest of King, people walking up there from the district, biking, etc will be gone.
Yeah, that area is definitely up-and-coming between the new interstate interchanges and the development going on in Brooklyn, but it is currently a wasteland for pedestrians aside from concerns with crime. There are way too many cars and traffic lanes for walkability/bikeability to ever match what they have on King Street IMO. That aspect of the brewery will definitely be lost.
I never really associate Intuition with the King St district, because I never think to walk from one to the other- I think of everything between college and park as the king st district and intuition and bold city as a separate brewery district. When Bold city opened there was nothing there either and really there still isn't much.
I think people will drive the extra mile to Forest and once all the new development on Riverside opens they will likely be seen as pioneers of that area. I also could see people leaving LPS after work and hitting up intuition as a convienent happy hour spot.
I for one personally hope they keep the present location in the 700 block of King Street up and running and maybe just move on to open a larger more upscale bar and SECOND Tap Room. High visibility and much open green space a true beer garden!! AHH FINALLY
But again just to reiterate leave the operations exactly as they are on King Street there is a lot of synergy which is building further based on CoRK, the growth there and across the street as well with the new KING ST.STUDIOS.
Also the very large expansion of bold city brewery.
BOTH can work well filling different needs and voids to vastly different traffic to bother worrying the two would be competing or starving the other.
IMHO
I don't know that exact location very well, but it does seem to be on the 'wrong side' of the interstate from where most of the revitialization is occurring and is being encouraged to occur. In that regard an interstate can be a very powerful obstacle. It seems a very risky location to be a pioneer.
If they were willing to go Downtown, why haven't they been able to find something there? It not like there isn't vacant land.
The location of the sweetwater brewery in Atlanta I'd equally sketchy, but their tap room is constantly packed when it is open. Granted, their hours are less frequent. Intuition has always gone to great lengths to ensure the safety of their staff and patrons, and I don't see why they would stop now. They will be about 6 blocks from the nearest hub of pedestrian activity, which is the same exact story as when they opened on King Street.
kayak accessible?
If the creek were cleaned and cleared of downed trees, etc., kayaking would be possible.
I love Intiution beers, but I never get them at the tap room. They sell it in all my favorite restaurants, so I drink it there (Peles, Bistro Aix, Orsay, BlackSheep, to name a few.....). Not sure what clientele goes to a Tap Room that offers no food, I went a few times when it first opened then realised I could get it almost anywhere so I have it with food.
Quote from: Captain Zissou on May 20, 2013, 09:14:42 AM
The location of the sweetwater brewery in Atlanta I'd equally sketchy, but their tap room is constantly packed when it is open. Granted, their hours are less frequent. Intuition has always gone to great lengths to ensure the safety of their staff and patrons, and I don't see why they would stop now. They will be about 6 blocks from the nearest hub of pedestrian activity, which is the same exact story as when they opened on King Street.
I don't know about equally sketchy, but like you said, Sweetwater's taproom is only open 2 hours a day (when open) and never past 7:30PM.
I wonder if they have looked at anything in Brooklyn? There seems to be a lot of run down warehouses along Park still, I don't know if any are available but that seems like it would be a safer location, security wise and visibility for the business.
Quote from: MusicMan on May 20, 2013, 09:57:31 AM
...Not sure what clientele goes to a Tap Room that offers no food....
So I guess you don't remember Pele's getting their 'start' in the courtyard before opening up down the road?
I guess you don't remember all the hassle that IAW has gone through regarding food trucks in a valiant effort to serve food?
I'm guessing the clientele that you speak of are the same ones that frequent the same restaurants that you do, but aren't against moving from one place to another.
I guess if you would learn to prepare your own food, MM, you could just pick up a sixer at Publix and sit in your living room and eat and drink and not have to leave the house or worry about who serves food or what kind of clientele would frequent an establishment that didn't. ::)
QuoteAfter city officials nixed his plans to expand on the Shipyards, Intuition Ale Works owner Ben Davis has his sights set on another piece of city-owned property for a new brewery and taproom.
full article: http://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2013/05/20/intuition-ale-works-eyeing-mixon-town.html
FWIW very many craft breweries are in industrial locations like that, making a much smaller proportion of their income from the taproom, if they can even have a real taproom at all. Cigar City, the best brewery in the state, is in a random warehouse by the Tampa airport and people still make the trek to visit from all over. In Georgia taprooms are very, very limited, but several Georgia breweries have been successful. Considering that almost everyone drives to the current location, it doesn't wash that moving to Mixon Town would be less walkable or have less of a "vibe".
Expansion opportunities are obviously limited in the King Street location, so it's great news Intuition wants to stay close to the urban core. The real shame is that the city didn't do everything they could to get them downtown.
Quote from: vicupstate on May 20, 2013, 05:05:32 AM
I don't know that exact location very well, but it does seem to be on the 'wrong side' of the interstate from where most of the revitialization is occurring and is being encouraged to occur. In that regard an interstate can be a very powerful obstacle. It seems a very risky location to be a pioneer.
It's basically the same distance from Brooklyn as their king street location is from park street.
(Non)Red Neck Westsider:
Pele's was a viable entity before Intuition Ale. Ben asked them to provide food there
and they did. When they decided to go into the corner of Park and King, he basically kicked them out of his courtyard.
I don't like Bold City beer as much but I do like the food option available there.
Unlike you I'm not judging anyone with my post, just asking a question.
What I observed there last time I went were folks quite a bit younger than me
who probably did not have children yet.
I am an excellent cook and usually get inspired by the better local restaurants to prepare amazing stuff at home. Was really inspired by Pepe's Hacianda then made some incredible homemade tacos the other day, you shoulda been here............
Since the taproom has very limited hours I guess it represents less than 5% of their sales.
Does Intuition own the King Street building? Does not seem to make sense to close it completely.
Intuition is the best beer in town in my opinion. No one's close. But I'm not a fan of the tap room. I like it when the brewery's open and you can hang out. But the tap room gets pretty claustrophobic if it's crowded. Kind of sterile when it isn't.
Quote from: MusicMan on May 20, 2013, 10:33:29 AM
(Non)Red Neck Westsider:
Pele's was a viable entity before Intuition Ale. Ben asked them to provide food there
and they did. When they decided to go into the corner of Park and King, he basically kicked them out of his courtyard.
Sorry, but that's not true. Intuition can't have any food trucks there since the city decided it violated their zoning.
As for tap rooms, they're solid revenue stream for all breweries (that can have them) since they make a much higher profit than having to go through a distributor to sell beer third-party. The taproom also has brews that aren't available, or widely available, elsewhere, which is half the fun in going.
So COJ kicked Pele's out of Intuition's courtyard? That is new news to me.
How does Bold City get it done?
The specialty beers does sound good, and I know I have missed some great ones that did not get a wider distribution.
Quote from: MusicMan on May 20, 2013, 10:33:29 AM
When they decided to go into the corner of Park and King, he basically kicked them out of his courtyard.
So, you obviously just made this up. Not sure why anyone would make up this sort of garbage.
Quote from: iluvolives on May 19, 2013, 09:41:35 PM
I never really associate Intuition with the King St district, because I never think to walk from one to the other- I think of everything between college and park as the king st district and intuition and bold city as a separate brewery district. When Bold city opened there was nothing there either and really there still isn't much.
I think people will drive the extra mile to Forest and once all the new development on Riverside opens they will likely be seen as pioneers of that area. I also could see people leaving LPS after work and hitting up intuition as a convienent happy hour spot.
+++++1 I completely agree!
The zoning issue was discussed a number of times on this site. The city evidently decided that food trucks conflicted with Intuition's zoning so they can't have them anymore. I suppose Bold City has that in order, and Aardwolf got a PUD that allows mobile food vendors specifically so they won't have to deal with the nonsense Ben's been put through.
That location is directly across the street from the COJ Animal Shelter. The shelter is a beautiful facility. However, I know that they have tried several times to expand to that location and are repeatedly turned down because the land is contaminated. The same was said for the location of the shelter now, however, something to do with it being across the street and some intense clean up made it possible. The property is now occasionally used for police dog training. If Intuition has private funds to help clean it up verses a city entity, that might make a difference.
If it does get approved, it will take a long time, but would be good to bring more traffic to that area for the shelter. They are building a huge condo complex right down the street on Riverside Ave so they'd get a lot of traffic.
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Quote from: MusicMan on May 20, 2013, 10:33:29 AM
When they decided to go into the corner of Park and King, he basically kicked them out of his courtyard.
So, you obviously just made this up. Not sure why anyone would make up this sort of garbage.That's not true.
This comes dangerously close to violating our rules of civility. It doesnt break them but it makes them sweat.
Don't want sweaty rules. Changes made.
it is going to take 2 years to clean up the area, relax people. besides, that location will be easy access for everyone, there is a forest st exit right by the i-10/95 exchange and it is 2 miles from the original location. if you are too scardey cat to go there avondale (less than 2 miles from brewery) will have a wonderful addition this fall.
http://intuitionbiergarten.wordpress.com/
Quote from: heatherlfdx on May 20, 2013, 12:24:34 PM
if you are too scardey cat to go there avondale (less than 2 miles from brewery) will have a wonderful addition this fall.
http://intuitionbiergarten.wordpress.com/
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Quote from: stephendare on May 20, 2013, 11:35:48 AM
I think this is brilliant. It puts them right between Brooklyn and Five Points, and gives Brooklyn some built in homemade flavor.
Couldnt be a more propitious move.
I think it's a good location, too. Extremely accessible for people going there, and great interstate access for trucks going out.
I just ate at johnny's on riverside ave and on the way back to work I used the Forest street onramp. I could see the building on the park from about 100 yards away and I could easily see the park stretching all the way to Mccoy's creek. I did not feel like my life was in danger...... This time...
lol....
Quote from: Captain Zissou on May 20, 2013, 09:14:42 AM
The location of the sweetwater brewery in Atlanta I'd equally sketchy, but their tap room is constantly packed when it is open. Granted, their hours are less frequent. Intuition has always gone to great lengths to ensure the safety of their staff and patrons, and I don't see why they would stop now. They will be about 6 blocks from the nearest hub of pedestrian activity, which is the same exact story as when they opened on King Street.
Sweetwater isn't in a sketchy area...just an industrial/office park area.
Although not a suburban industrial park, the area of Mixon Town between the tracks and I-95 is essentially an industrial area as well. Outside of the shotgun rowhouses off Goodwin Street, there's not much residential left. It's a fringe area ripe with redevelopment opportunity and within close proximity of Riverside and Brooklyn.
Frankly, the city is the last property owner I would want to deal with in a R.E. deal.
COJ might get around to cleaning up that ash after The Landing gets their parking.
Did he look at DT, other than Shipyards?
Given the number of cars Intuition attracts, the new site direct access to interstates and downtown, greater ease with growth and increased distribution, and how the potential new location screams speak-easy, it all seems great for the symbiotic new life to come to North Riverside.
I doubt Mr.Davis would leave King St. with a black eye.
What was this building originally? Would they be open for a paranormal Investigation of the location before they open? Our studies have shown people will pay more attention to the location if its haunted. We are a professional team here in Jaxx. Our site is www.jprs-rip.com. And yes we are the team that was on TV.
Quote from: LGaunder on May 20, 2013, 02:43:48 PM
What was this building originally? Would they be open for a paranormal Investigation of the location before they open? Our studies have shown people will pay more attention to the location if its haunted. We are a professional team here in Jaxx. Our site is www.jprs-rip.com. And yes we are the team that was on TV.
Oh boy...
What building? The building Intuition is already in?
Would be a great location, anywhere in that basic vicinity would be good. I'd love them on Main Street even more but apparently there is not a space there that is appetizing enough to lure them.
For clarification, announcing the leasing of the old pharmacy was one of the reasons Pele's was
terminated at Intuition Ale courtyard. There were other issues as well, but none of them involved food quality or
money. It was a great spot for Pele's. The City came in well after Pele's was gone.
I am the general manager of Intuition. MusicMan: For the record, you are completely incorrect when you say that Pele's was asked to leave the brewery as a result of them signing a lease at the old pharmacy.
Sketchy is in the eye of the beholder. ;)
I rarely think of Intuition or Bold City as part of King Street. When I start on King Street, there is too much too close for me to walk down there. I think of both of them as a destination. When I go to Bold City, I get a couple pints, eat some wings or BarBQ, maybe get a growler filled. I don't see it is going to hurt moving to Forrest Street, It is less than a mile and a half according to Google. And it could be a kick start for another district. :)
Cari don't worry about musicman. He always gets pretty butthurt when he feels someone has sullied the name of pele.
Quote from: Captain Zissou on May 20, 2013, 09:03:43 PM
Cari don't worry about musicman. He always gets pretty butthurt when he feels someone has sullied the name of pele.
Of course he does...
Going back and reading some of his earlier Pele's posts, you would think that he personally pushed Matt's brick-oven trailer up King St. and quite possibly planted the seed for the entire concept at Park and King. :-X
Quote from: viCARIous on May 20, 2013, 05:17:05 PM
I am the general manager of Intuition. MusicMan: For the record, you are completely incorrect when you say that Pele's was asked to leave the brewery as a result of them signing a lease at the old pharmacy.
I believe Music Man.
Quote from: InnerCityPressure on May 20, 2013, 03:01:36 PM
Quote from: LGaunder on May 20, 2013, 02:43:48 PM
What was this building originally? Would they be open for a paranormal Investigation of the location before they open? Our studies have shown people will pay more attention to the location if its haunted. We are a professional team here in Jaxx. Our site is www.jprs-rip.com. And yes we are the team that was on TV.
Oh boy...
Sorry some ppl believe, some ppl don't. But if you had what happen to me happen to you.... you'd believe too.
Quote from: stephendare on May 20, 2013, 03:06:26 PM
Quote from: InnerCityPressure on May 20, 2013, 03:01:36 PM
Quote from: LGaunder on May 20, 2013, 02:43:48 PM
What was this building originally? Would they be open for a paranormal Investigation of the location before they open? Our studies have shown people will pay more attention to the location if its haunted. We are a professional team here in Jaxx. Our site is www.jprs-rip.com. And yes we are the team that was on TV.
Oh boy...
It is quite true. People love haunted structures.
LGaunder I will check with some of the old timers.
Thank you. It would be good to have validation of it being haunted. We investigated The Jail in Green cove and now The Ghosthunters on Syfy are working a deal with them. The Jail and courthouse is also being used for a movie set.
And Moonriver brewery in Savannah another location we have been to, is a highly known haunted pub and that place is packed all the time, plus they do ghost tours there. So theres added bonus's with it.
please keep us posted. we are enthralled by the possibility of a haunting. afterall the building has been there for a while.
Are you talking about the old clubhouse building at the closed Forest Street Park?
(http://www.metrojacksonville.com/photos/thumbs/lrg-5077-p1100555.JPG)
That building doesn't strike me as haunted. If the new brewery that the build from scratch is haunted, tat would be something to see!!!
I believe that building has to stay because it's historic.
Quote from: thelakelander on May 21, 2013, 06:09:14 PM
Are you talking about the old clubhouse building at the closed Forest Street Park?
(http://www.metrojacksonville.com/photos/thumbs/lrg-5077-p1100555.JPG)
This site could be really cool with the historic structure as an office and taproom, and an adjacent brewery building. Sort of a mini industrial complex.
Sort of reminds me of the original Plank Road Brewery.
Quote from: LGaunder on May 21, 2013, 04:36:32 PM
Quote from: InnerCityPressure on May 20, 2013, 03:01:36 PM
Quote from: LGaunder on May 20, 2013, 02:43:48 PM
What was this building originally? Would they be open for a paranormal Investigation of the location before they open? Our studies have shown people will pay more attention to the location if its haunted. We are a professional team here in Jaxx. Our site is www.jprs-rip.com. And yes we are the team that was on TV.
Oh boy...
Sorry some ppl believe, some ppl don't. But if you had what happen to me happen to you.... you'd believe too.
Well, what happened to you? I am curious about your experience and whatever other stories about "unusual" happenings are going on in that building. :)
Quote from: Captain Zissou on May 21, 2013, 07:05:13 PM
That building doesn't strike me as haunted. If the new brewery that the build from scratch is haunted, tat would be something to see!!!
No it looks haunted to me. I think there is a buried treasure chest in the basement too.
I have psychic powers. I foresee that any evidence of "haunting" that is found will convince people who believe in ghosts, and won't convince people who don't.
who you gonna call?
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Wish they could get this location.
I walk by that location a few times a month from McCoy's creek Blvd to park street and yes it is not in the best area, I know for a fact that there are a few 'local independent illegal commodity distributors' right down the street from that location. Within a block or two. I think it would defenitly hamper the walking and biking crowd and might even deter people using automobiles. and toxic ash on the property?? There are many better locations in Brooklyn and the old firehouse would be amazing! I hope Intuition looks around more. Even downtown?
QuoteWonder if Ben has any interest in getting the building relocated to his property
I'm pretty sure the fire station can't pass under the I-95 overpass. It's also pretty expensive to move it within the confines of the existing Brooklyn neighborhood as you have to take down the trafffic signals.
I for one, think that if this newest proposal comes to pass it will be a VERY positive development for Mixon Town, Brooklyn and McCoys Creek.
Brooklyn is, quite simply, the next great Jacksonville neighborhood.
Quotetoxic ash on the property??
Two feet of dirt will be removed from the property in order to mitigate the ash problem. The site is targeted for cleanup regarless, however the crux of the issue in the context of this conversation is that this particular parcel is apparently way down in the pecking order of sites that are slated for ash remediation.
Quote from: lastdaysoffla on May 22, 2013, 04:40:50 PM
I walk by that location a few times a month from McCoy's creek Blvd to park street and yes it is not in the best area, I know for a fact that there are a few 'local independent illegal commodity distributors' right down the street from that location. Within a block or two. I think it would defenitly hamper the walking and biking crowd and might even deter people using automobiles. and toxic ash on the property?? There are many better locations in Brooklyn and the old firehouse would be amazing! I hope Intuition looks around more. Even downtown?
I think if you open a popular establishment that brings more traffic to the area you will find the "local independent illegal commodity distributors" will move their business elsewhere. Perhaps you never visited the "King Street District" before there was a "a district". It was pretty much overrun with the types of business deals you are describing and I wouldn't have suggested riding a bike there either.
I think we would owe intuition a big thank you for helping discourage that type of illegal activity and elevating the area. It only takes one business to start it.
Quote from: thelakelander on May 21, 2013, 06:09:14 PM
Are you talking about the old clubhouse building at the closed Forest Street Park?
(http://www.metrojacksonville.com/photos/thumbs/lrg-5077-p1100555.JPG)
Yes that building. Before or even during renovations we could check it out for you. We have found renovations actually sparks the activity because they are use to a building a certain way. Our investigations usually take a few hours. We can do it during the day but at night there would be less traffic and noise.
Quote from: fieldafm on May 22, 2013, 04:52:02 PM
QuoteWonder if Ben has any interest in getting the building relocated to his property
I'm pretty sure the fire station can't pass under the I-95 overpass. It's also pretty expensive to move it within the confines of the existing Brooklyn neighborhood as you have to take down the trafffic signals.
I for one, think that if this newest proposal comes to pass it will be a VERY positive development for Mixon Town, Brooklyn and McCoys Creek.
Brooklyn is, quite simply, the next great Jacksonville neighborhood.
Quotetoxic ash on the property??
Two feet of dirt will be removed from the property in order to mitigate the ash problem. The site is targeted for cleanup regarless, however the crux of the issue in the context of this conversation is that this particular parcel is apparently way down in the pecking order of sites that are slated for ash remediation.
Since the original front facing dormer was long ago removed (see photos in Dr.Wood's book
Jacksonville's Architectural Heritage) would it be preposterous to suggest the roof system could be removed so the building could scoot below the overpass at Forest St.?
Quote from: Cheshire Cat on May 21, 2013, 10:05:45 PM
Quote from: LGaunder on May 21, 2013, 04:36:32 PM
Quote from: InnerCityPressure on May 20, 2013, 03:01:36 PM
Quote from: LGaunder on May 20, 2013, 02:43:48 PM
What was this building originally? Would they be open for a paranormal Investigation of the location before they open? Our studies have shown people will pay more attention to the location if its haunted. We are a professional team here in Jaxx. Our site is www.jprs-rip.com. And yes we are the team that was on TV.
Oh boy...
Sorry some ppl believe, some ppl don't. But if you had what happen to me happen to you.... you'd believe too.
Well, what happened to you? I am curious about your experience and whatever other stories about "unusual" happenings are going on in that building. :)
I was grabbed by the arm at the Spanish Hospital in St Aug. And again at the Jail in GCS. I can also hear them if its in the right frequency. Some I can hear like if I were speaking with a living person.
http://members.jacksonville.com/business/2014-01-12/story/no-limit-jacksonville-has-not-found-bottom-barrel-when-it-comes-demand
It looks like the Forest property purchase won't be happening. Ever since it was first announced this purchase was going to be of city property and require environmental hazard abatement, I've been telling everyone I had zero confidence this would come to fruition.
Agree looks dead. I just posted similar comment in another thread where this article was posted.