I-95/JTB Interchange Public Workshop Scheduled
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The Florida Department of Transportation has scheduled a public information workshop to discuss proposed improvements to the I-95 / SR 202 (J. Turner Butler Boulevard) interchange. Here is a look at FDOT's proposed Interim and Ultimate improvements, neither of which include a multimodal component to strengthen connectivity in Southpoint.
Full Article
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2013-may-i-95jtb-interchange-public-workshop-scheduled
Looks pretty much the same
So will the SB to EB flyover be tolled?
^ no
of course not! I can't see well enough to drive, I'm on SSI why the fuck do I have to pay for something I can't even use and am not welcome to be anywhere near. Go to Hell FDOT!!!
^ umm...that's the same argument folks use as to why they shouldn't have to pay for transit....and believe me, far more people use / pass-thru that interchange daily than ride transit here....and that would likely still be the case even if we had a full-scale rail system
Quote from: urbaknight on May 07, 2013, 12:35:56 PM
of course not! I can't see well enough to drive, I'm on SSI why the fuck do I have to pay for something I can't even use and am not welcome to be anywhere near. Go to Hell FDOT!!!
I don't have kids, why should I pay for public school?
I have plenty of food, why should I pay for food stamps?
I don't ride a horse, why should I pay for the equestrina center?
If the abutment to the 95 bridge where it passes over JTB were changed from a slanted/angled to a vertical wall (such as Roosevelt at Edgewood) There would be enough room for a BRT lane or bike trail.
Quote from: Ocklawaha on May 07, 2013, 02:44:28 PM
If the abutment to the 95 bridge where it passes over JTB were changed from a slanted/angled to a vertical wall (such as Roosevelt at Edgewood) There would be enough room for a BRT lane or bike trail.
And hey why not add a bridge (tolled?) over the rail connecting Old Kings Rd S., Powers Ave., to Butler, Philips, & I 95?
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2010-jun-jtas-plans-for-i-95jtb-interchange-shortsighted
http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/gallery/12460248_9FyAn#!i=892391468&k=KKgcw&lb=1&s=A
http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/environment/bicycle_pedestrian/overview/policy_accom.cfm
What ever happened to the article and accompanying pictorial / artist rendering of proposed multifamily at a possible rail station?
I look forward to having a few questions answered June 3.
again, Thanks MJ
Quote from: urbaknight on May 07, 2013, 12:35:56 PM
of course not! I can't see well enough to drive, I'm on SSI why the fuck do I have to pay for something I can't even use and am not welcome to be anywhere near. Go to Hell FDOT!!!
Hopefully somebody at City Council is going to read this. Allow me to shift this conversation temporarily to the "high costs" of Light Rail compared to this or any other highway.
QuoteWhen it comes to public subsidies, Twin Cities light rail seems a bargain
Before diving into the numbers, you have to know that taxes subsidize every form of transportation â€" even walking. Sure, you bought the shoes and own the feet, but the government of the town you live in built the sidewalks, roads and paths you use â€" and repairs them. Unless you pay a fee that covers the expense every time you walk down the street to the grocery store, your travel is being subsidized.
System (2008) Subsidy per
passenger/trip
Urban buses, local $2.17
Suburban buses, local $4.98
Express bus $2.48
Light rail $1.44
So the issue isn't what is subsidized â€" everything is. The question is: How much goes to which form of transportation? The table at right shows how things shake out among different types of transit.
Another report, this one from the Office of the Legislative Auditor, compared the efficiency of the Twin Cities LRT to systems in other cities. And, you'll be happy to know that we ranked fourth on subsidy per passenger. That is to say, only three other cities, Denver (98 cents), Portland ($1.35) and San Diego (82 cents) spent less than our $1.44. Pittsburgh paid the highest subsidy, $5.22. Fares provided 38 percent of the cost in the Twin Cities. Only Denver and San Diego did better, and fares in Seattle covered only 5 percent of outlays.
Your next question is going to be: How does that compare with driving?
After sweating over my calculator for a couple of hours, I realized that there's no easy way to calculate that. But using my own form of goofy-nomics, here's what I came up with.
From a report done by the University of Minnesota called "The Full Cost of Transportation in the Twin Cities Region" (PDF), I learned that in 1998, state and local governments spent upward of $1.5 billion on roads and highways. Using an inflation calculator, I updated that to 2010 (the furthest I could go) and came up with a figure of $2.04 billion in government expenditures, give or take.
Divide that by 365 days, and you see that governments spends $5.59 million per day fixing and paving all those roads.
Back in 1998, Twin Cities metro drivers covered 71 million miles a day. Interpolating that with the report's projections for 2020 gave me 89.8 million miles. I subtracted 15 percent of that to cover all the transit riders and was left with 76.3 million miles.
According to the report, Twin Cities drivers averaged about 32 miles per trip. I upped that to 35 for no other reason than that we have more sprawl than we had 14 years ago and probably drive a little bit further. After dividing trips into miles, it turns out that Twin Cities drivers make 2.18 million trips a day. That sounds like a lot, but remember, many people take at least two trips a day, to go to and from work. And just think of all the grocery shopping, child pick-ups, medical appointments, van deliveries and so on, and the number starts to seem reasonable.
OK, so then you take the number of trips per day (2.18 million) and divide it into the daily cost of $5.59 million, and you get $2.56. That's about how much tax money goes to subsidize the average car trip.
I didn't include all the money drivers spend to buy, insure, maintain and gas up their rides. For those depressing cost of ownership numbers, you can consult Consumer Reports.
With all that, you have to come to the conclusion that light rail isn't such a bad deal after all.
SOURCE: http://www.minnpost.com/cityscape/2012/06/when-it-comes-public-subsidies-twin-cities-light-rail-seems-bargain
Metro Area Transit Twin Cities Urban Affairs
AUTHOR: Marlys Harris
A Minnesota native, Marlys Harris has been an investigative reporter and editor with specialties in consumer protection and finance for Money Magazine and Consumer Reports. She has a master's degree in urban planning. Cityscape is supported by grants from the McKnight Foundation and the Central Corridor Funders Collaborative.
Once this goes public, I can just imagine as arch enemies of public transit and rail in particular, Wendall Cox and Randal O'Toole, are going to pull their hair out. ;D
Quote from: acme54321 on May 07, 2013, 01:52:28 PM
Quote from: urbaknight on May 07, 2013, 12:35:56 PM
of course not! I can't see well enough to drive, I'm on SSI why the fuck do I have to pay for something I can't even use and am not welcome to be anywhere near. Go to Hell FDOT!!!
I don't have kids, why should I pay for public school?
I have plenty of food, why should I pay for food stamps?
I don't ride a horse, why should I pay for the equestrian center?
Transit is public, everyone has the option to ride if they want. I don't have the option to drive.
Children are our future, If we don't pay for education, we'll all be screwed.
We should not have had to pay for the equestrian center, But it is a venue that we can all use; except of me and others like me that have to rely on the bus.
One of these days I'm going to login to metrojax and see an article in transit about how JTA is making changes to the public transit to make it more efficient... yea and pigs will fly, Ocklawaha will denounce rail in favor of 6 lane expressways and generally the world will be ending in the next 5 minutes and all that. Not a dig at Metrojax I love your reporting, just a dig at JTA and their neverending "wait and see" attitude even with "Dynamic new leadership"...
Isn't JTA out of the picture on this project now? It appears this is now FDOT's baby. It will be paid with cash that magically appeared in the last few months.
correct...and more magic money is on the way...stay tuned
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2010-feb-a-vision-for-jacksonvilles-southside
^this was the topic of conversation over dinner.
more magic money you say? What leaves me wondering what the future holds for this area is the large expanse of unused ROW b/w US1 and I95.
This event is today.
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I really wanted to go and PUSH THE ISSUE of pedestrian and bicycle access between the hotels and all of the offices in Southpointe. Sadly a wreck blocking both lanes of I-95 during this rush hour, has turned the afternoon into a nightmare for STJC residents.
Quote from: Ocklawaha on June 03, 2013, 05:37:41 PM
I really wanted to go and PUSH THE ISSUE of pedestrian and bicycle access between the hotels and all of the offices in Southpointe. Sadly a wreck blocking both lanes of I-95 during this rush hour, has turned the afternoon into a nightmare for STJC residents.
Send your comments Eric Shimmer at FDOT. You should contact the BPAC about the bike/ped ideas. I know you are well versed in dealing with the City/State and I am only making a suggestion.
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look at that flyover image...gorgeous...just imagine the views one would get from up there!
One of my professional graphic pet peeves. Don't stretch the images! That flyer appears to be made in InDesign. I'd suggest cropping instead of stretching lower resolution graphics. Believe me, the documents will look 100% more presentable. This may not be an issue for FDOT but for consulting firms competing for jobs, the more professional your work is, the better chance you'll have at winning contracts.
Anyway, my comments will be the same as they've been the last few years. We need a way to get pedestrians and cyclist through this area (primarily connecting both sides of I-95). Why is this not a part of the plan? The excuse about these being limited access highways doesn't fly.
Quote from: thelakelander on November 27, 2013, 11:55:58 AM
Anyway, my comments will be the same as they've been the last few years. We need a way to get pedestrians and cyclist through this area (primarily connecting both sides of I-95). Why is this not a part of the plan? The excuse about these being limited access highways doesn't fly.
Might be my ignorance to the planning business, but from outside looking in I would say that factor is ignored because that entire neighborhood is uberautofriendly and is actually against pedestrians and bicyclists. Philips hwy is spread out and dangerous, Bonneval and Southpoint is all people driving into work. And maybe walking around the block on lunch. I mean I went to Nova southeastern univ in Southpoint and they used to give warnings about how unsafe walking to JTA bus stop was. They encouraged ride share instead. D&B's would be an attractor ... But from how far away? And the curve in the road between them and JTB has seen its share of nasty accidents that a bike or walker certainly wouldn't survive.
Or maybe it's a chicken and egg thing ... By adding pedestrian/bicycle access now it'll spur further likeness around it?
Quote from: JayBird on November 27, 2013, 03:13:35 PM
Might be my ignorance to the planning business, but from outside looking in I would say that factor is ignored because that entire neighborhood is uberautofriendly and is actually against pedestrians and bicyclists. Philips hwy is spread out and dangerous, Bonneval and Southpoint is all people driving into work.
This only applies if you're planning this project for 2014 conditions. I'd hope, given the amount of money it will cost, this project is expected to serve traffic flow through the distant future. If this is the case, you have to also look at future land use and integration with other mobility projects in the works, within the immediate area.
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DC Metro's Orange Line and development pattern around its stations.Think of Northern Virginia in the 1970s when DC's Metro opened. It was pretty sprawly (and still is outside of areas within walking distance of Metro stations). Over the last 30 years, it has transformed because of a deliberate attempt to integrate land use and transportation policy.
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Comparison of Philips corridor and DC Metro Orange Line corridor, both of which are similar in length and pre-transit development pattern.With that in mind, let's look at the intersection of Philips and JTB. Multifamily residential uses have already started springing up in the middle of office parks on both sides of I-95 in this immediate area. There's also pockets of commercial, hotel and office on both sides.
Furthermore, we have BRT and commuter rail projects planned for this area. Both would possibly be operational by 2020 or so and would include stations. To top this off, visioning plan efforts by residents in the city's Southside call for Philips to be transformed into a multimodal friendly district. Like Northern Virginia, we have an opportunity to revitalize an underutilized arterial into an easy to reach mixed use zone while also preserving existing single family home communities in the vicinity. Last, but not least, the Mobility Plan and Fee is set up to provide money to eventually rebuild Philips into a corridor with sidewalks, bike lanes, curb & gutters and a multiuse path to complement the things mentioned above. If this is the case, why are we preparing to spend hundreds of millions building something that only facilitates automobile movement for the next few decades? This only makes all the other things mentioned more difficult to achieve.
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Sketch showing JTB/Philips as a denser node of development in COJ Southeast Vision Plan.http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2010-feb-a-vision-for-jacksonvilles-southside
QuoteOr maybe it's a chicken and egg thing ... By adding pedestrian/bicycle access now it'll spur further likeness around it?
I don't believe in the chicken and egg theory when it comes to urban development. Quite simply, the integration of transportation investment and land use policy determines everything else. If you want a human scaled future environment, you invest in the infrastructure and modify land use policies to facilitate it. If you want sprawl and autocentric development patterns, you make accommodating the automobile a higher priority than the human. It's as simple as that when all of the layers of the onion are peeled.
So, in this case, if we want a denser development pattern and multimodal connectivity, we figure out a way to get a ped/bike overpass across I-95 to tie both areas of Southpoint together. It's much easier to figure it out now and include it within the overall project, then to revisit the idea 10 years later when the area is a bigger mess than it is today.