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Title: Infill Retail Proposed for Southbank
Post by: Metro Jacksonville on April 03, 2013, 08:00:47 PM
Infill Retail Proposed for Southbank

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An infill retail center adjacent to Baptist Medical Center on Prudential Drive is being proposed by South Shores Group Partners, LLC.  Here is a look at the project's conceptual renderings and plans.

Full Article
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2013-apr-infill-retail-proposed-for-southbank
Title: Re: Infill Retail Proposed for Southbank
Post by: dougskiles on April 03, 2013, 08:05:51 PM
This is exactly the type of infill development that can occur on Riverplace Blvd with a better street design.

We can hit hundreds of these "singles" throughout downtown in the next several years.
Title: Re: Infill Retail Proposed for Southbank
Post by: fieldafm on April 03, 2013, 08:15:55 PM
Quote from: dougskiles on April 03, 2013, 08:05:51 PM
This is exactly the type of infill development that can occur on Riverplace Blvd with a better street design.

We can hit hundreds of these "singles" throughout downtown in the next several years.

100% agree.

If anything, I'd like an outdoor cafe extended all the way under that big tree on the east end of the proposed building. 
Title: Re: Infill Retail Proposed for Southbank
Post by: thelakelander on April 03, 2013, 08:26:07 PM
^Yeah, that would be a major plus.  I think it maybe possible to have an outdoor cafe extended on both ends.
Title: Re: Infill Retail Proposed for Southbank
Post by: thelakelander on April 03, 2013, 09:28:28 PM
Quote from: dougskiles on April 03, 2013, 08:05:51 PM
This is exactly the type of infill development that can occur on Riverplace Blvd with a better street design.

We can hit hundreds of these "singles" throughout downtown in the next several years.

Good point, Doug.  Here's a rendering of an old proposal of a similar project on Riverplace Blvd in 2008:

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Title: Re: Infill Retail Proposed for Southbank
Post by: Captain Zissou on April 03, 2013, 10:13:57 PM
If this place can get their doors open, I see no reason for them to ever close.  This is one of the busiest areas of town with access to any area that the skyway touches.  This would be a great location for a 7-Eleven, a cafe, a coffee shop, or any number of complimenting uses.
Title: Re: Infill Retail Proposed for Southbank
Post by: thelakelander on April 03, 2013, 10:32:00 PM
^That's what the development group believes as well. They envision a couple of tenants selling stuff like coffee and donuts, subs, pizza or ice cream with landscaped patios for outdoor seating.
Title: Re: Infill Retail Proposed for Southbank
Post by: Noone on April 04, 2013, 07:06:40 AM
Quote from: dougskiles on April 03, 2013, 08:05:51 PM
This is exactly the type of infill development that can occur on Riverplace Blvd with a better street design.

We can hit hundreds of these "singles" throughout downtown in the next several years.

+1 Very nice. And they aren't asking a penny of taxpayer dollars?

BTW is everyone ready 4/9/13 next Jacksonville city council meeting for 2013-187 $14,255,000 from the banking fund to make the Jake Godbold building an official city building? Also being introduced 2013-214 $19,615 to purchase 20 chairs for Jacksonville city council members. Public Service-Cha-Ching!

Speaking of "singles" anyone want to contribute a single buck to 2009-442 the Artifficial Reef Trust Fund. 6 permitted reefs in the river south of the Fuller Warren. JWC meeting 6 days out. The state of Florida is watching.



Title: Re: Infill Retail Proposed for Southbank
Post by: Dapperdan on April 04, 2013, 08:30:34 AM
Now, if we can just get that pedestrian bridge built from the Skyway station, we will be in business.
Title: Re: Infill Retail Proposed for Southbank
Post by: PeeJayEss on April 04, 2013, 08:38:15 AM
Saweet! What's going on, Bizarro Jax? That meeting today will be a busy one!
-'Gamechanger' in Springfield
-Big change in Brooklyn
-Laura Trio+1
-Hayden Burns

Not to be too bleary-eyed optimist, but good things are happening...
Title: Re: Infill Retail Proposed for Southbank
Post by: thelakelander on April 04, 2013, 08:44:08 AM
I believe 218 Adams is also under contract.  However, I'm not sure what the buyer would be doing with it.

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Title: Re: Infill Retail Proposed for Southbank
Post by: Dapperdan on April 04, 2013, 08:52:16 AM
That would be a great location for Aloft or a boutique hotel like it. Then maybe a Starbucks in the lobby.
Title: Re: Infill Retail Proposed for Southbank
Post by: Captain Zissou on April 04, 2013, 09:10:22 AM
This is starting to feel like metrojax back in the heydays!! New projects proposed every week, but this time they are needed additions to the core.  I'd prefer this little retail infill to the Bishopgate luxury tower that would have been largely closed off at the street level. With this retail and the Brooklyn development, one might actually be able to live on the southbank car-free. If we can parlay these developments into getting some market rate housing, we'll be in business for sure!
Title: Re: Infill Retail Proposed for Southbank
Post by: fieldafm on April 04, 2013, 09:59:37 AM
Quote from: Dapperdan on April 04, 2013, 08:52:16 AM
That would be a great location for Aloft or a boutique hotel like it. Then maybe a Starbucks in the lobby.

I still think 218 could work really well as mixed use (live/work) with residential on the top floors (and without having to rely on massive taxpayer money/historic credits like the Ambassador) and a biz incubator in the lower floors. 
Title: Re: Infill Retail Proposed for Southbank
Post by: Jason on April 04, 2013, 10:17:03 AM
Man, this has been a great week full of announcements.  220 Riverside has really got the ball rolling.

Title: Re: Infill Retail Proposed for Southbank
Post by: Riverrat on April 04, 2013, 12:52:14 PM
Wow...so many great things happening this week. This is a great project. Perfect for the area.
Title: Re: Infill Retail Proposed for Southbank
Post by: thelakelander on April 04, 2013, 02:09:20 PM
I'm sitting at the DDRB meeting.  This project is now up for discussion.
Title: Re: Infill Retail Proposed for Southbank
Post by: thelakelander on April 04, 2013, 02:18:42 PM
The presentation of this project is being given by a representative from KBJ Architects. Baptist continues to expand into the Aetna Building so developer envisions this project serving both Baptist and Aetna employees and visitors. No extra parking is envisioned because the intent of the project is to serve people already in the area that use existing facilities.
Title: Re: Infill Retail Proposed for Southbank
Post by: thelakelander on April 04, 2013, 02:29:04 PM
Dunkin Donuts has expressed interest in the project.
Title: Re: Infill Retail Proposed for Southbank
Post by: thelakelander on April 04, 2013, 02:46:49 PM
Roland Udenze wants them to bring color samples when they come back for final approval. Chris Flagg suggests if there is an opportunity to make the building stand out from the garage, the applicant should take advantage of it. He also suggests making the patios on the end larger.  He thinks they could be great outdoor spaces.
Title: Re: Infill Retail Proposed for Southbank
Post by: thelakelander on April 04, 2013, 02:49:34 PM
The DDRB has approved the conceptual design of this project.
Title: Re: Infill Retail Proposed for Southbank
Post by: Jason on April 04, 2013, 03:22:20 PM
Thanks for the play-by-play, Lake.  I agree with the request for larger patios.
Title: Re: Infill Retail Proposed for Southbank
Post by: vicupstate on April 06, 2013, 11:12:20 AM
This is a nice addition, but why not add 4,5 or 6 more floors and cover up that garage view. 

Could be doctor's offices, apartments, Extended stay or boutique hotel.  Land is at a premium in this area already. 

Maybe the foundation is being built such that it could be added later?  Seems a waste to just put a single story building there.  Each floor could have same floor garage access too, I would think.
Title: Re: Infill Retail Proposed for Southbank
Post by: simms3 on April 06, 2013, 01:27:40 PM
^^^ask downtownjag about land prices in that area, he is in that business I believe.  Numbers he threw out earlier for Jax and DT in particular shocked me (basically there is no value in land anywhere in Jax...retail near SJTC is most expensive and it's still what I would call a giveaway)

Plus...this particular land could already be owned by whoever owns the garage.  I wouldn't be surprised if the developers of the retail are on a ground lease, thus making both parties happy (or is the owners of the garage doing this?).  There's no value in more than they propose, MOB for additional doctor's offices need a much more sophisticated building and fully customizable space.
Title: Re: Infill Retail Proposed for Southbank
Post by: thelakelander on April 06, 2013, 06:02:29 PM
The developer already owns the land, garage and the Aetna building.
Title: Re: Infill Retail Proposed for Southbank
Post by: thelakelander on April 06, 2013, 06:54:53 PM
Looking at the Aetna Building's website, does anyone know anything about the Shoppes of Aetna?

QuoteThe Shoppes of Aetna

Coming soon! The best building in downtown is about to get even better. Construction is underway on the brand-new Shoppes of Aetna featuring unique shopping, delicious dining options like The Two South Cafe, and powerful business facilities. Check back here in the future for the latest news and updates on progress.

http://www.aetnabuilding.net/
Title: Re: Infill Retail Proposed for Southbank
Post by: vicupstate on April 06, 2013, 07:49:58 PM
QuoteThere's no value in more than they propose, MOB for additional doctor's offices need a much more sophisticated building and fully customizable space.

Why couldn't the additional floors be just as 'sophisticated' or 'customized' as they need to be? 

Given that  the additional parking is already provided, and that this is in extremely close proximity to thousands of workers, patients and visitors, how is a one story building the highest and best use? 
Title: Re: Infill Retail Proposed for Southbank
Post by: jcjohnpaint on April 07, 2013, 10:02:53 AM
It would have to be old given the drawing of the st john tower to the rt, which has been dead for some time. 
Title: Re: Infill Retail Proposed for Southbank
Post by: thelakelander on April 07, 2013, 11:50:44 PM
^That site plan says "future" tower.  During their presentation last week, South Shore mentioned the future marina and tower site.  Sounds like they still eventually plan some sort of infill on the site of the dead St. Johns condo tower, when a feasible opportunity presents itself.
Title: Re: Infill Retail Proposed for Southbank
Post by: Coolyfett on April 08, 2013, 10:27:12 AM
Quote from: Dapperdan on April 04, 2013, 08:30:34 AM
Now, if we can just get that pedestrian bridge built from the Skyway station, we will be in business.
What bridge exactly??
Title: Re: Infill Retail Proposed for Southbank
Post by: Jason on April 08, 2013, 10:28:10 AM
This one.

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,17703.0.html

Title: Re: Infill Retail Proposed for Southbank
Post by: edjax on December 17, 2013, 08:15:21 PM
Have they started construction on this infill project yet?
Title: Re: Infill Retail Proposed for Southbank
Post by: duvaldude08 on December 17, 2013, 10:25:18 PM
I work in the area and Ive seen nothing 
Title: Re: Infill Retail Proposed for Southbank
Post by: edjax on June 19, 2014, 08:04:46 PM
So is this officially dead?