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Title: Lisa Harouni: Primer on 3D printing. Must See Ted Talk
Post by: Metro Jacksonville on February 12, 2013, 03:08:54 AM
Lisa Harouni: Primer on 3D printing. Must See Ted Talk

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2012 may have been the year of 3D printing, when this three-decade-old technology finally became accessible and even commonplace. Lisa Harouni gives a useful introduction to this fascinating way of making things -- including intricate objects once impossible to create.  The technology will inevitably change how the world works and is literally as revolutionary as the internet, yet most people know absolutely nothing about it.

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Title: Re: Lisa Harouni: Primer on 3D printing. Must See Ted Talk
Post by: strider on February 12, 2013, 08:54:54 AM
I remember years ago watching a Star Trek and seeing them sit at a computer console, designing a needed part and then watching it get "made" by the replicator. Amazing technology but with possible very scary unintended consequences.
Title: Re: Lisa Harouni: Primer on 3D printing. Must See Ted Talk
Post by: If_I_Loved_you on February 12, 2013, 12:27:16 PM
2013 tech predictions: Drones, 3D printers and telco rage

3D printing will kill manufacturing

This year is going to be one of insecurity and turmoil for manufacturers as 3D printing starts to dominate the market. 3D printers are already printing weapons, spare parts, an entire house and even an entire jawbone. Dr Frey says it won't be long before we can print food, medication and clothes. On the "As an example, with the Apple iPhone, on the old assembly line at Foxconn in China, it requires 24 people to touch the product from start to finish on a manufacturing line. On the new automated manufacturing lines in Brazil, there are only two people touching it from start to finish so you can imagine the amount of labour savings 3D printing would provide," he said.

Researchers are already working on food printers, and Dr Frey says it won't be long before you send your significant other out to the shops to buy a food cartridge because you need to print a fancy gourmet dinner.

"One example that I use is if you think about all the apples from an apple tree in an orchard, a lot get bruised and damaged and never make it on to shelves. But if you take the same stock and print it, you can print a perfect apple every time," he said. "If you want it to taste like almonds or add extra vitamin c, you could do that too. In the not too distance future we'll have processers that can print the can and print the soup that goes in it."

"Once we're able to print things like this, that can be done anywhere we can eliminate lots of shipping that occurs, rather than manufacturing something in China and shipping it to Australia, or the US or Europe, you can print it where you're at. This can have a profound effect on countries like China that are doing all the manufacturing.”


Read more: http://www.news.com.au/technology/tech-predictions-drones-3d-printers-and-telco-rage/story-e6frfro0-1226553388109#ixzz2Khs80ljX


Title: Re: Lisa Harouni: Primer on 3D printing. Must See Ted Talk
Post by: If_I_Loved_you on February 12, 2013, 12:57:37 PM
Quote from: stephendare on February 12, 2013, 12:38:02 PM
a billion jobs displaced worldwide over the next fifteen years.

and imagine what it will do to warehousing, retail, shipping, and surplus operations in real estate.

Computerization destroyed the old style malls, built on music shops, video stores, video game places, and book shops.

All of those types of businesses closed.

Some malls would have two or three different music shops in them not too long ago.

Imagine what this will all do to real estate on top of the jobs question.
Their will be no reason to "dredge the St Johns River for larger ships?
Title: Re: Lisa Harouni: Primer on 3D printing. Must See Ted Talk
Post by: thelakelander on February 12, 2013, 01:52:55 PM
3D printing seems like a great stock to invest in if you have some spare cash laying around.  Most stocks of the companies specializing in it have tripled in value over the last year or so.  If it gets to the point where the average person can easily print forks, cups, spare car parts, etc. out of their house, that will radically alter the urban landscape.  So, for you out there willing to make predictions, what does this mean for Jacksonville and how can our city take advantage?
Title: Re: Lisa Harouni: Primer on 3D printing. Must See Ted Talk
Post by: Lunican on February 12, 2013, 01:54:53 PM
I'm not sold. Some products are conducive to this manufacturing method, but some will not be. For creating simple parts in a high volume it's pretty slow.

Having a machine at home that can produce more than just dollar store type plastic items isn't going to be practical for anyone. You can already buy the machines to produce almost anything, however your house will look like a machine shop and you'll spend a million dollars.

Here is a "3D printer" for metal alloys to make parts that aren't garbage. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLndYWw5_y8

It's an expensive and complex machine (even moreso than the existing CNC machines that have been around for decades). How many people have one of those in their house?
Title: Re: Lisa Harouni: Primer on 3D printing. Must See Ted Talk
Post by: thelakelander on February 12, 2013, 01:59:31 PM
One issue that will pop up is even if it became efficient to print products out of your house, most are patented.  However, I do see a value in this from an industrial research & development standpoint.
Title: Re: Lisa Harouni: Primer on 3D printing. Must See Ted Talk
Post by: Lunican on February 12, 2013, 02:21:01 PM
I think this is a process that will be used for some products, but it's not going to create a world where anyone prints anything they want.

This reminds me of the iPhone 5 promo video where they tout their manufacturing process by showing how they cut the aluminum. It looks impressive if you've never seen anything made in your entire life:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=u5X5cV-4LRo#t=294s
Title: Re: Lisa Harouni: Primer on 3D printing. Must See Ted Talk
Post by: thelakelander on February 12, 2013, 04:19:55 PM
Florida was never a true manufacturing center like the Midwest or New York.  By the time we started to really grow, manufacturing in this country was in decline. So, it's safe to at least say we don't have a rail strategy based around traditional manufacturing.
Title: Re: Lisa Harouni: Primer on 3D printing. Must See Ted Talk
Post by: If_I_Loved_you on February 12, 2013, 04:29:58 PM
Quote from: stephendare on February 12, 2013, 04:12:32 PM
Quote from: thelakelander on February 12, 2013, 01:52:55 PM
3D printing seems like a great stock to invest in if you have some spare cash laying around.  Most stocks of the companies specializing in it have tripled in value over the last year or so.  If it gets to the point where the average person can easily print forks, cups, spare car parts, etc. out of their house, that will radically alter the urban landscape.  So, for you out there willing to make predictions, what does this mean for Jacksonville and how can our city take advantage?

processing and producing the extrusion material.  Researching how best to store it.  How best to ship it.  Especially for the more exotic organic compounds.

Invest in medical research to support it.

Stop investing in the shopping strip mall model of planning and development.

Radically rethink our port and reingineer our rail strategy around resources rather than traditional manufacturing.  They arent the same thing you know.
"« Reply #10 on: Today at 04:12:32 PM »" Look Stephen has time traveled being it's only 3:29pm 2/12/2013
Title: Re: Lisa Harouni: Primer on 3D printing. Must See Ted Talk
Post by: Lunican on February 12, 2013, 05:29:24 PM
Quote from: stephendare on February 12, 2013, 02:29:11 PM
1.  The technology will rapidly improve.

2.  It doesnt need to be in your house to disrupt the economies.  And you dont have to have thousands of parts lying around.  All that has to happen is for production centers to be set up for people to go to.  Which is the most likely method.  If there is only one kind of shopping space, which is basically a pick upi center for your good, then real estate still gets screwed.  As does shipping.  Right now shipping relies on back inventory to work.  Under the model provided for a printer center based retail/wholesale economy there is no back stock at all, only storage and shipping for extrusion material.

And it still destroys manufacturing jobs either way.

15 years ago it was 1998 and if you had internet, it was through AOL.  You paid for access by the minute, and it was over dialup phone lines.  There really wasnt any such thing as online video, and Blockbuster Videos was one of the most profitable corporations on the earth.

I definitely don't see this playing out the way you do.

I think these printers will be used to produce previously difficult to manufacture, high dollar items with specific uses and made from specific materials. The medical field will likely benefit.

But converting Walmarts into "printing centers" so you can print a toothbrush and a pair of shoes is not likely to happen. Nor will there be a consumer mass market for these printers. This technology has been around for about 30 years, the only thing that is new is the hype.
Title: Re: Lisa Harouni: Primer on 3D printing. Must See Ted Talk
Post by: Lunican on February 12, 2013, 05:45:20 PM
Sure. I bet you a dollar that in 2018, less than 5% of the U.S. population will own a 3D printer.
Title: Re: Lisa Harouni: Primer on 3D printing. Must See Ted Talk
Post by: Lunican on February 12, 2013, 05:54:51 PM
Who keeps the stats on that? Most products are made with many different manufacturing methods and no one has a clue which were used for what.
Title: Re: Lisa Harouni: Primer on 3D printing. Must See Ted Talk
Post by: Dog Walker on February 12, 2013, 05:56:37 PM
That presenter in the video has the most irritating and affected "vocal fry" that I have every heard.  It was difficult getting through the whole video.

I began using 3D printing for prototyping products almost 30 years ago.  It is still mostly used for that purpose especially for products that are going to be injection molded in plastic or metal.  Making injection molds for that stuff is expensive and you want to make sure it is just right before building one.

Right now most of this stuff is at the prototyping or hobbyist level.  So were the first personal computers.  Here were are thirty years on from the early personal computers and you have more power in your smartphone than we had then.

Going from the electronic to the physical hasn't happened nearly as fast, but it is coming.  Designing is now the biggest barrier, not the machines.

Take a look at this and try your hand at design:   www.tinkercad.com   This might be the breakthrough that lowers that barrier.
Title: Re: Lisa Harouni: Primer on 3D printing. Must See Ted Talk
Post by: Lunican on February 13, 2013, 11:20:24 AM
I think Staples announced an in-store 3D printing service. But it is basically for prototyping things.
Title: Re: Lisa Harouni: Primer on 3D printing. Must See Ted Talk
Post by: Lunican on February 16, 2013, 12:06:40 PM
Quote from: stephendare on February 12, 2013, 05:50:17 PM
Quote from: Lunican on February 12, 2013, 05:45:20 PM
Sure. I bet you a dollar that in 2018, less than 5% of the U.S. population will own a 3D printer.

I will bet you that more than 5% of american households will be purchasing and or using products that have been made on a 3d printer by 2018.

Wow. That sounds like a wild success that will alter global trade and the way we live!

3d printers don't mean anything. The examples of progress you cited were all information based that moved to a better medium.
Title: Re: Lisa Harouni: Primer on 3D printing. Must See Ted Talk
Post by: buckethead on February 16, 2013, 01:22:56 PM
I can see this applied to buildings. An abundant supply of raw materials being the larger hurdle.

With 3D printing, materials could be oriented to maximize strength while minimizing the volume of materials needed, much in the same way modern engineering has altered building techniques and materials.

I can envision structures made of sand/silica, wood/resin, portland cement, or a number of other possibilities. Maybe any raw material could become useful.

In my imagination it looks like large robotic insects spitting a building together. Think 'mud dobber' without the wings. (Is that the scientific name for those wasp things?

I think I agree with Stephen here. The change will be beyond profound. It will be radical. In fact, so radical that a new social structure will emerge. Two possibilities: More socialistic distribution of resources, or mass termination of large swaths of population by various means. Not entirely intentional, but warring for resources is as old as mankind. (I suppose a separate agrarian society could come into being but owning land would seem to be a prerequisite)

When labor becomes all but obsolete, owning the means of production or natural resources becomes the only means of increasing wealth, something has got to give.
Title: Re: Lisa Harouni: Primer on 3D printing. Must See Ted Talk
Post by: peestandingup on February 17, 2013, 04:13:32 AM
I'm with you guys. Like most of you, I've been saying this same thing for years. Not because I'm some magical wizard who can see the future, but because its just the way it is. There's no conspiracy, its all technology driven. Anyone who doesn't see it is either blind, too tied up in their own little bubbles of life & can't think longterm, or simply doesn't want to face the reality of the situation.

They'll have to be some kind of new social movement to come out of this, because the traditional means of how capitalism works won't apply. I envision many will suffer (and possible die) before this happens though. The top 1% has such an influence & stranglehold on keeping the old methods alive that it won't be pretty. The gap between them & us is the biggest it's ever been in history & its only widening, with the middle class being hollowed out. My fear is that this will cause a period of great mass social unrest, possible some kind of war since again, the top has such an interest in siphoning off of us all to keep the flow going. Power control basically.

But thats getting too far into trying to predict how this will play out. All I know is that the old ways simply will fail as retail ultimately dies, 3D printing & internet commerce becomes the norm, factories become almost 100% automated, etc. Its happening now & is accelerating at high speeds. Technology is destroying jobs faster than it is creating them & there will not be another great "industrial revolution" to sustain us all. America (and pretty much everywhere) was built on that method, now its history & never coming back. Thats why our economy has been debt based horse shit for the last few decades. But that eventually goes away too because none of it is real.

So we're gonna have to emerge from this & try to rethink the way our society works, or look like Mad Max. The haves vs the have-nots. And there will be plenty of have-nots, more than you can shake a stick at. And they're going to be pissed. And not to turn this into a whole debate, but this is one of the reasons I don't budge too much on the whole gun control issue. Because the future doesn't look pleasant & you may ultimately regret giving up any of those rights.
Title: Re: Lisa Harouni: Primer on 3D printing. Must See Ted Talk
Post by: Bill Hoff on April 16, 2013, 07:57:14 PM
Fyi -http://www.beonespark.com/discover/creator_projects/775

A friend of mine has a 3D printing project in One Spark. Check it out.
Title: Re: Lisa Harouni: Primer on 3D printing. Must See Ted Talk
Post by: louie on September 18, 2013, 10:43:56 PM
That was really cool, in fact all the outcomes from 3D printing has enormous results.  I don't think if http://www.digiteksf.com/ if already acquired the idea.