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Red-light cameras are being installed all over Jacksonville. My Tea Party friends think it’s treason. I’m not tolerant of treason. But for once I must break ranks. Far from enabling Big Brother, the cams’ll bring it down. How? The logic of the cam is that it provides definitive proof. Like the instant replay. By comparison, everything else falls short. Everything else is just subjective. What happens if we insist on cams? For everything. Everywhere. Every last thing must be filmed. Or else, it never happened. No cam, no reality. No cam captured your car running a red? Never happened. Cop says he saw it? Just his word. There’ll be no end to it. I'm all for no end.

Read more: http://blogiverstravels.wordpress.com/2013/01/24/ready-for-my-close-up/

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If the Tea Party types are against them, even for that insane reason, then I need to rethink my opposition to them.

Tea Party or not, they are a waste of money. Ask the City of Los Angeles.

Pasadena shuts down red-light camera program
The city elects to end its contract with American Traffic Systems. The program has been running at a deficit. June 30, 2012|By Adolfo Flores
As of Sunday Pasadena drivers can avoid the gut-wrenching feeling motorists get when they've been caught in the flash of a red-light camera, wondering if they made it through the intersection in time.

City officials decided not to renew a contract with American Traffic Systems Inc. for the city's seven red-light cameras, citing a lack of enforcement from Los Angeles County courts, time wasted by Pasadena police officers and questions about the cameras' effectiveness in improving traffic safety. Additionally, the program â€" while never expected to bring in a lot of money â€" is running at a $4,487 deficit.

Pasadena launched the program in 2003 on a contract that ended in June 2011.

The City Council extended the program for a year while studying its effectiveness.

In the first year after the red-light cameras were installed, transportation officials noted a decline in collisions. But that may have been due to lengthening the time that lights remained yellow, said Bahman Janka, a Pasadena transportation administrator. Further studies found that the frequency of collisions at intersections with and without cameras were similar.

Three of Pasadena's seven cameras are at Marengo Street and Union Avenue, two are at Lake and Union avenues, and two are at Foothill and San Gabriel boulevards. The contract ended Saturday, and all the equipment will be taken down.

Janka said the main reason for killing the cameras is that they waste law enforcement resources.

Pasadena police officials say they'd rather see officers in the field than in court defending tickets issued to violators caught on camera.

In a month one officer issues as many traffic citations, including for red-light running, as do all of the cameras, according to a staff report.

“A lot of time is spent going to court dealing with challenges,” Janka said. “It makes more sense to put more money into the police department, which is more effective.”

One reason the court appearances are a waste of time is because the Los Angeles County court system is not enforcing penalties for camera violations, while it continues to enforce tickets issued by officers. Unlike with officer-issued tickets, with camera-caught violations alleged lawbreakers do not sign an agreement to appear in court at the time they are cited. They only learn of the alleged violation by mail.

The city of Los Angeles discontinued its red-light camera program after identifying enforcement and equipment problems.

“The climate in the court system is such at the moment that there's no support for this program,” said Mark Yamarone, a Pasadena transportation administrator. “We weren't terribly unhappy [with the program], it's just that it sort of served its purpose and the city decided not to renew.” http://articles.pasadenasun.com/2012-06-30/news/32486627_1_red-light-camera-program-pasadena-police-bahman-janka

When Collisions are referenced,they mean Rear End collisions by paranoid people stopping on yellow.
This was talked about in the beginning and the media has conveniently switched it to mean red light runner's barreling through intersections.(makes more dramatic news)
Most drivers do not treat an intersection light like a Drag strip tree and rocket through the millisecond the light turns green.
Most look both ways before proceeding. Around here a far more common infraction is a complete disregard for using turn signals.
red light cameras are a waste of the city's money that they don't have BTW. They will once again pay out to an outside contractor just to have them removed at a later date. With a hefty removal fee or breach of contract fine no less.

Quote from: Ernest Street on January 24, 2013, 12:46:35 PM
When Collisions are referenced,they mean Rear End collisions by paranoid people stopping on yellow.
This was talked about in the beginning and the media has conveniently switched it to mean red light runner's barreling through intersections.(makes more dramatic news)
Most drivers do not treat an intersection light like a Drag strip tree and rocket through the millisecond the light turns green.
Most look both ways before proceeding. Around here a far more common infraction is a complete disregard for using turn signals.
red light cameras are a waste of the city's money that they don't have BTW. They will once again pay out to an outside contractor just to have them removed at a later date. With a hefty removal fee or breach of contract fine no less.

OMG this is so true "Around here a far more common infraction is a complete disregard for using turn signals." When I'm driving I use my turn signals even if no one is on the road but me.  ;)

No cameras allowed in bordellos? APOPLECTIC! Oops! My Bad! ::)

Quote from: rippley408 on January 24, 2013, 01:09:21 AM
Red-light cameras are being installed all over Jacksonville. My Tea Party friends think it’s treason. I’m not tolerant of treason. But for once I must break ranks. Far from enabling Big Brother, the cams’ll bring it down. How? The logic of the cam is that it provides definitive proof. Like the instant replay. By comparison, everything else falls short. Everything else is just subjective. What happens if we insist on cams? For everything. Everywhere. Every last thing must be filmed. Or else, it never happened. No cam, no reality. No cam captured your car running a red? Never happened. Cop says he saw it? Just his word. There’ll be no end to it. I'm all for no end.

Read more: http://blogiverstravels.wordpress.com/2013/01/24/ready-for-my-close-up/

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It's incredibly easy to get out of a red light ticket, the rules of evidence apply to these like anything else. Not to mention all they normally prove is that your car was there, not you. But my personal favorite is get one of these and don't worry about it; http://loover.com/looverdetails.htm (http://loover.com/looverdetails.htm)

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This is a hell of an exposé, well worth the watch.

BTW, Don't follow the Ock-Honda's too closely, I'm trolling for suckers.

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This thread title needs to be changed, FACT IS, people from all political views are joining forced to expose this scam and get rid of these cameras.

Oh my, checking through the various cities involved, Jacksonville is getting itself into another anti-QOL quagmire that we don't need. Let's see, T-Bone and I've got busted ribs (been there done that) get rear ended and I get a broken spine... I'll take the T-Bone medium rare.

http://www.youtube.com/v/IpP3uLMs35U