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Title: Downtown Catches Young VIbe
Post by: BIG CHEESE 723 on January 23, 2013, 08:57:12 AM
Interesting article in today's Times Union. 
Encouraging to see some upswing in downtown.  ]
Title: Re: DOWNTOWN CATCHES YOUNG VIBE
Post by: fsujax on January 23, 2013, 09:13:32 AM
wish i could read the article.
Title: Re: DOWNTOWN CATCHES YOUNG VIBE
Post by: comncense on January 23, 2013, 09:59:51 AM
lol same here. I wonder how successful TU has been with trying to force the paid subscriptions on people.
Title: Re: DOWNTOWN CATCHES YOUNG VIBE
Post by: coredumped on January 23, 2013, 10:02:21 AM
OK, I probably shouldn't post this, but...
Just change the URL from "members" to "m"

So in this case change:
http://members.jacksonville.com/news/premium-news/2013-01-22/story/downtown-jacksonville-gets-boost-youthful-energy
to this:
http://m.jacksonville.com/news/premium-news/2013-01-22/story/downtown-jacksonville-gets-boost-youthful-energy

Clickable link: http://m.jacksonville.com/news/premium-news/2013-01-22/story/downtown-jacksonville-gets-boost-youthful-energy

And you're in ;)
Title: Re: DOWNTOWN CATCHES YOUNG VIBE
Post by: urbanlibertarian on January 23, 2013, 10:39:02 AM
Quote from: coredumped on January 23, 2013, 10:02:21 AM
OK, I probably shouldn't post this, but...
Just change the URL from "members" to "m"

So in this case change:
http://members.jacksonville.com/news/premium-news/2013-01-22/story/downtown-jacksonville-gets-boost-youthful-energy
to this:
http://m.jacksonville.com/news/premium-news/2013-01-22/story/downtown-jacksonville-gets-boost-youthful-energy

Clickable link: http://m.jacksonville.com/news/premium-news/2013-01-22/story/downtown-jacksonville-gets-boost-youthful-energy

And you're in ;)

Thou shalt not steal.  ;-)
Title: Re: DOWNTOWN CATCHES YOUNG VIBE
Post by: RockStar on January 23, 2013, 11:45:53 AM
Quote from: urbanlibertarian on January 23, 2013, 10:39:02 AM
Quote from: coredumped on January 23, 2013, 10:02:21 AM
OK, I probably shouldn't post this, but...
Just change the URL from "members" to "m"

So in this case change:
http://members.jacksonville.com/news/premium-news/2013-01-22/story/downtown-jacksonville-gets-boost-youthful-energy
to this:
http://m.jacksonville.com/news/premium-news/2013-01-22/story/downtown-jacksonville-gets-boost-youthful-energy

Clickable link: http://m.jacksonville.com/news/premium-news/2013-01-22/story/downtown-jacksonville-gets-boost-youthful-energy

And you're in ;)

Thou shalt not charge for shite journalism, either.
Thou shalt not steal.  ;-)
Title: Re: DOWNTOWN CATCHES YOUNG VIBE
Post by: BIG CHEESE 723 on January 23, 2013, 12:21:50 PM
Geez!  You all are laying a serious guilt trip on me.  Sometimes hidden amongst the ads, crime reports and general shite you may find a gem or two. This was one of them.
Their one redeeming quality for me is the continuing of crossword puzzles and Sunday's book reviews.
I do get annoyd at the shrinking size compared to the fact that the price has not shrunk in comparison.
Title: Re: DOWNTOWN CATCHES YOUNG VIBE
Post by: BridgeTroll on January 23, 2013, 12:42:38 PM
Quote from: RockStar on January 23, 2013, 11:45:53 AM
Quote from: urbanlibertarian on January 23, 2013, 10:39:02 AM
Quote from: coredumped on January 23, 2013, 10:02:21 AM
OK, I probably shouldn't post this, but...
Just change the URL from "members" to "m"

So in this case change:
http://members.jacksonville.com/news/premium-news/2013-01-22/story/downtown-jacksonville-gets-boost-youthful-energy
to this:
http://m.jacksonville.com/news/premium-news/2013-01-22/story/downtown-jacksonville-gets-boost-youthful-energy

Clickable link: http://m.jacksonville.com/news/premium-news/2013-01-22/story/downtown-jacksonville-gets-boost-youthful-energy

And you're in ;)

Thou shalt not charge for shite journalism, either.
Thou shalt not steal.  ;-)
Rofl...
Title: Re: Downtown Catches Young VIbe
Post by: CityLife on January 23, 2013, 01:01:24 PM
Nice piece and cheers to all those of my generation who are making downtown vibrant and cool again. I think a lot of this generation aspires to own their own small business and do something that they are passionate about, as opposed to the corporate route (perhaps moreso than the preceding generations). So hats off to those who are making it happen.

I've always loved Riverside and love what has gone on there, but long term, I really hope that some of that success shifts towards downtown. Though King Street has really taken off, the "entertainment district" downtown has so much more potential. Not saying they can't both be successful and coexist, just that I hope more of that energy makes its way Downtown.
Title: Re: Downtown Catches Young VIbe
Post by: CityLife on January 23, 2013, 01:37:52 PM
Great post. That is a lot of the type of stuff that we lack and would make downtown a destination and unique place. Riverside/Avondale is so land/parking starved that I doubt you could ever even fit all that stuff there anyways. I also think housing potential is one of the key difference's between the two. Simply put, you can fit much, much more dense housing near the entertainment district than you ever could near Park and King. Even though Riverside/Avondale is a quasi-urban neighborhood, for the most part many still rely on the automobile or bike, which makes a less vibrant street level enviroment. I mean how many people live within a quarter mile/half mile of Bold Bean or Park and King? How many more could realistically live within a half mile radius of the Bay/Adams corridor if the demand was there? 5x? 10x? Jacksonville and downtown in particular would explode with all that energy...

I don't know if the housing comes after a critical mass of entertainment is met or vice versa, but the two are intertwined and I hope our "leaders" are looking at more ways to bring both.
Title: Re: Downtown Catches Young VIbe
Post by: Captain Zissou on January 23, 2013, 01:41:37 PM
I think the ultimate future of culture and nightlife in Jacksonville has to be downtown.  Riverside Avondale can only go so far, as the recent shenanigans have proven.  If the RPC was too much for the old and lame folks, imagine what they would say about a burlesque show coming to their neighborhood? 
I also associate true hubs of entertainment and culture with residents and lots of them.  In my opinion, R-A won't get denser until some zoning changes are made and the overlay is adapted to accommodate hubs of development tied into mass-transit.  Downtown already has the building stock and infrastructure to support far more residents than anywhere else in town.
We really need to just remove the roadblocks from in front of the developers and the creative minds that are already able to transform our urban core.  The main thing preventing change is the city itself.
Title: Re: Downtown Catches Young VIbe
Post by: BIG CHEESE 723 on January 23, 2013, 01:55:31 PM
I am all for this progress if it will make downtown viable again.
However, as an old-timer, the concentration on youth makes us feel just that much more obsolete.  lol
Could we get a little piece of the action?  Or we being blamed for the abysmal failure in the past?
Title: Re: Downtown Catches Young VIbe
Post by: JeffreyS on January 23, 2013, 01:57:20 PM
They do the Rock-a-Billy Burlesque at the Loft.
Title: Re: Downtown Catches Young VIbe
Post by: Captain Zissou on January 23, 2013, 02:03:31 PM
Quote from: JeffreyS on January 23, 2013, 01:57:20 PM
They do the Rock-a-Billy Burlesque at the Loft.

I was told that it has been moved downtown because they were drawing too big of a crowd for the Loft.  This is a perfect example of why even though much of the energy started in Riverside, downtown needs to be the place where the ultimate transformation and growth will be achieved.  You could say the same thing happened to Underbelly. 
Title: Re: Downtown Catches Young VIbe
Post by: JeffreyS on January 23, 2013, 02:07:05 PM
Good to know and it was way too big at the loft.
Title: Re: Downtown Catches Young VIbe
Post by: Captain Zissou on January 23, 2013, 02:09:38 PM
I believe that they are taking the month of January off, but it will continue in February at The Phoenix downtown.
Title: Re: Downtown Catches Young VIbe
Post by: JFman00 on January 23, 2013, 02:17:50 PM
Quote from: stephendare on January 23, 2013, 01:14:02 PM
Quote from: CityLife on January 23, 2013, 01:01:24 PM
Nice piece and cheers to all those of my generation who are making downtown vibrant and cool again. I think a lot of this generation aspires to own their own small business and do something that they are passionate about, as opposed to the corporate route (perhaps moreso than the preceding generations). So hats off to those who are making it happen.

I've always loved Riverside and love what has gone on there, but long term, I really hope that some of that success shifts towards downtown. Though King Street has really taken off, the "entertainment district" downtown has so much more potential. Not saying they can't both be successful and coexist, just that I hope more of that energy makes its way Downtown.

Of course they can both coexist.  The possibility of niche based clusters is much wider than anything we already have going on here in Jville.  There still hasnt been anything to replace the indie entertainment scene that we created out in Springfield.

Sure Riverside has bars, coffeehouses, great restaurants and a gallery scene, but there certainly isnt a focus on live entertainment.  Where are the cabaret singers, the burlesques, the experimental theatre environments, the improv house, the band halls, the indie movie shops etc?

Where is the vibrant cross racial performance venue?  Where is the original material performance group?  Where is the lecture hall and scene?

We have a LOT of room for growth and the downtown could be the epicenter of all that if there was only a group of downtown activists and an empowered cultural institution community.

In other cities I've lived in, those ammenties have been provided by *urban* colleges/universities, of which Jacksonville is quite lacking in comparison even to other cities of similar size. By urban I mean schools that are seamlessly integrated into the urban fabric (living on or near campus and being able to go without a car). It's hard to think of a great city (of any size) without a corresponding urban school.
Title: Re: Downtown Catches Young VIbe
Post by: thelakelander on January 23, 2013, 02:20:04 PM
Quote from: CityLife on January 23, 2013, 01:01:24 PM
Nice piece and cheers to all those of my generation who are making downtown vibrant and cool again. I think a lot of this generation aspires to own their own small business and do something that they are passionate about, as opposed to the corporate route (perhaps moreso than the preceding generations). So hats off to those who are making it happen.

I've always loved Riverside and love what has gone on there, but long term, I really hope that some of that success shifts towards downtown. Though King Street has really taken off, the "entertainment district" downtown has so much more potential. Not saying they can't both be successful and coexist, just that I hope more of that energy makes its way Downtown.

They'll all co-exist peacefully at some point the way Jax's suburban areas do today.  Take a look at any vibrant city and you'll quickly discover that not everything is centered on the central business district. Your Georgetowns, U-Streets, Chinatowns, Dupont Circles, etc. (DC urban core neighborhoods for those who don't know) grow together with the CBD to create a large vibrant urban core.  This is what I believe will happen to Jax as the urban core's population increases over the next decade or two.
Title: Re: Downtown Catches Young VIbe
Post by: fsquid on January 23, 2013, 02:25:51 PM
QuoteIt's hard to think of a great city (of any size) without a corresponding urban school.

Charlotte?  Their urban university is 15 miles east of downtown.
Title: Re: Downtown Catches Young VIbe
Post by: urbaknight on January 23, 2013, 02:34:30 PM
Quote from: thelakelander on January 23, 2013, 02:20:04 PM
Quote from: CityLife on January 23, 2013, 01:01:24 PM
Nice piece and cheers to all those of my generation who are making downtown vibrant and cool again. I think a lot of this generation aspires to own their own small business and do something that they are passionate about, as opposed to the corporate route (perhaps moreso than the preceding generations). So hats off to those who are making it happen.

I've always loved Riverside and love what has gone on there, but long term, I really hope that some of that success shifts towards downtown. Though King Street has really taken off, the "entertainment district" downtown has so much more potential. Not saying they can't both be successful and coexist, just that I hope more of that energy makes its way Downtown.

They'll all co-exist peacefully at some point the way Jax's suburban areas do today.  Take a look at any vibrant city and you'll quickly discover that not everything is centered on the central business district. Your Georgetowns, U-Streets, Chinatowns, Dupont Circles, etc. (DC urban core neighborhoods for those who don't know) grow together with the CBD to create a large vibrant urban core.  This is what I believe will happen to Jax as the urban core's population increases over the next decade or two.

But I want the vibrant urban core now! While I'm still young enough to be part of the scene!
Title: Re: Downtown Catches Young VIbe
Post by: fsujax on January 23, 2013, 02:48:48 PM
^^me too!
Title: Re: Downtown Catches Young VIbe
Post by: Tacachale on January 23, 2013, 02:54:53 PM
Quote from: JFman00 on January 23, 2013, 02:17:50 PM
Quote from: stephendare on January 23, 2013, 01:14:02 PM
Quote from: CityLife on January 23, 2013, 01:01:24 PM
Nice piece and cheers to all those of my generation who are making downtown vibrant and cool again. I think a lot of this generation aspires to own their own small business and do something that they are passionate about, as opposed to the corporate route (perhaps moreso than the preceding generations). So hats off to those who are making it happen.

I've always loved Riverside and love what has gone on there, but long term, I really hope that some of that success shifts towards downtown. Though King Street has really taken off, the "entertainment district" downtown has so much more potential. Not saying they can't both be successful and coexist, just that I hope more of that energy makes its way Downtown.

Of course they can both coexist.  The possibility of niche based clusters is much wider than anything we already have going on here in Jville.  There still hasnt been anything to replace the indie entertainment scene that we created out in Springfield.

Sure Riverside has bars, coffeehouses, great restaurants and a gallery scene, but there certainly isnt a focus on live entertainment.  Where are the cabaret singers, the burlesques, the experimental theatre environments, the improv house, the band halls, the indie movie shops etc?

Where is the vibrant cross racial performance venue?  Where is the original material performance group?  Where is the lecture hall and scene?

We have a LOT of room for growth and the downtown could be the epicenter of all that if there was only a group of downtown activists and an empowered cultural institution community.

In other cities I've lived in, those ammenties have been provided by *urban* colleges/universities, of which Jacksonville is quite lacking in comparison even to other cities of similar size. By urban I mean schools that are seamlessly integrated into the urban fabric (living on or near campus and being able to go without a car). It's hard to think of a great city (of any size) without a corresponding urban school.

Most of Florida's cities have the same problem. Miami, Ft. Lauderdale, Orlando, St. Petersburg, Pensacola, etc. have no sizeable urban colleges. The major exceptions include Tampa (UT), Lakeland (Florida Southern), and obviously Tallahassee and Gainesville. Depending on what you count, other cities without a real "urban" college of size would include Charlotte, and possibly Houston and Dallas. However, some cities (like Charlotte) have attracted satellite campuses of other colleges, and it's increasingly common for Florida universities to open in-town centers and branches. IMO UNF will go that route at some point.
Title: Re: DOWNTOWN CATCHES YOUNG VIBE
Post by: BackinJax05 on January 23, 2013, 03:50:14 PM
Quote from: BIG CHEESE 723 on January 23, 2013, 12:21:50 PM
Geez!  You all are laying a serious guilt trip on me.  Sometimes hidden amongst the ads, crime reports and general shite you may find a gem or two. This was one of them.
Their one redeeming quality for me is the continuing of crossword puzzles and Sunday's book reviews.
I do get annoyd at the shrinking size compared to the fact that the price has not shrunk in comparison.

So true. Thats one of the reasons I ditched the T-U: The comics have gotten so small you need a microscope to read them. Oh well, at least they finally quit printing the Sunday comics sideways. God, that was annoying.
Title: Re: Downtown Catches Young VIbe
Post by: Tacachale on January 23, 2013, 04:24:28 PM
Quote from: thelakelander on January 23, 2013, 02:20:04 PM
Quote from: CityLife on January 23, 2013, 01:01:24 PM
Nice piece and cheers to all those of my generation who are making downtown vibrant and cool again. I think a lot of this generation aspires to own their own small business and do something that they are passionate about, as opposed to the corporate route (perhaps moreso than the preceding generations). So hats off to those who are making it happen.

I've always loved Riverside and love what has gone on there, but long term, I really hope that some of that success shifts towards downtown. Though King Street has really taken off, the "entertainment district" downtown has so much more potential. Not saying they can't both be successful and coexist, just that I hope more of that energy makes its way Downtown.

They'll all co-exist peacefully at some point the way Jax's suburban areas do today.  Take a look at any vibrant city and you'll quickly discover that not everything is centered on the central business district. Your Georgetowns, U-Streets, Chinatowns, Dupont Circles, etc. (DC urban core neighborhoods for those who don't know) grow together with the CBD to create a large vibrant urban core.  This is what I believe will happen to Jax as the urban core's population increases over the next decade or two.

Yes, definitely. In fact they'll probably benefit mutually from the close proximity.
Title: Re: Downtown Catches Young VIbe
Post by: BIG CHEESE 723 on January 23, 2013, 04:32:24 PM
Back in Jax:  There was a while back when the real estate transactions on Saturday were so small I DID use a magnifier. 
But, sometimes they DO come up with something worth reading.  Is it me that seems to think the sports section has the most pages than The World Nws and Metro section combined?
There was also a time when they drove me crazy putting the obits in with the classified section.
Title: Re: Downtown Catches Young VIbe
Post by: JaxDiablo on January 23, 2013, 04:36:36 PM
Quote from: Captain Zissou on January 23, 2013, 02:03:31 PM
Quote from: JeffreyS on January 23, 2013, 01:57:20 PM
They do the Rock-a-Billy Burlesque at the Loft.

I was told that it has been moved downtown because they were drawing too big of a crowd for the Loft.  This is a perfect example of why even though much of the energy started in Riverside, downtown needs to be the place where the ultimate transformation and growth will be achieved.  You could say the same thing happened to Underbelly.

Just touching on something I'm intimately involved in (I manage the aforementioned burlesque/vaudeville group www.professorwhiskey.com).  We were very happy with the location at theLOFT, unfortunately the last show we played there we were literally packed out the door at a little over 175 folks showing up on the night of a tropical storm with the bridges shutting down at 7pm when our show went on at 8:30. 

Now we perform at The Phoenix Taproom on a monthly basis with additional shows as we are requested (Jacksonville University, The Norm, Johnny's in St. Augustine).  Our next show is February 15th (http://www.eventbrite.com/event/5269104032), and we will be opening for Hellzapoppin' (nationally touring side show revue) at Underbelly on March 1st.

facebook.com/professorwhiskeytravelingbizarrebazaar

As for the needs and growth of downtown, we need to have much more involvement and/or growth from the city and we need to find a way to generate more traffic and a reason for people to come downtown on the weekends.  There are so many bars, clubs, art venues, and just generally awesome places that exist down there.
Title: Re: Downtown Catches Young VIbe
Post by: downtownjag on January 23, 2013, 04:42:36 PM
I think it would be absolutely awesome if someone would throw a party in the alley behind Underbelly.  Not just use it as an outside section, but a full-blown party in that old alleyway that we have so few of.  Band, beerpong, whatever.  It's really cool back there, if you've ever walked it. 

Not sure if it's totally safe, given the condition of the Bostwick...
Title: Re: Downtown Catches Young VIbe
Post by: thelakelander on January 23, 2013, 04:50:46 PM
It's safe.  The Bostwick isn't in danger of collapsing on its own.  Several years ago, Jim Bailey pitched the idea of turning that alley into an entertainment space for all the places backing up into it.  Unfortunately, the idea fizzled out.
Title: Re: Downtown Catches Young VIbe
Post by: fieldafm on January 23, 2013, 05:02:39 PM
That was part of Bailey's Bay Street Entertainment District plan that got 'shelved'  (shelved would be a polite way to put it). 
Title: Re: Downtown Catches Young VIbe
Post by: CityLife on January 23, 2013, 05:14:05 PM
Quote from: thelakelander on January 23, 2013, 02:20:04 PM
Quote from: CityLife on January 23, 2013, 01:01:24 PM
Nice piece and cheers to all those of my generation who are making downtown vibrant and cool again. I think a lot of this generation aspires to own their own small business and do something that they are passionate about, as opposed to the corporate route (perhaps moreso than the preceding generations). So hats off to those who are making it happen.

I've always loved Riverside and love what has gone on there, but long term, I really hope that some of that success shifts towards downtown. Though King Street has really taken off, the "entertainment district" downtown has so much more potential. Not saying they can't both be successful and coexist, just that I hope more of that energy makes its way Downtown.

They'll all co-exist peacefully at some point the way Jax's suburban areas do today.  Take a look at any vibrant city and you'll quickly discover that not everything is centered on the central business district. Your Georgetowns, U-Streets, Chinatowns, Dupont Circles, etc. (DC urban core neighborhoods for those who don't know) grow together with the CBD to create a large vibrant urban core.  This is what I believe will happen to Jax as the urban core's population increases over the next decade or two.

What we technically call "Downtown Jax" is much larger than our central business district. It would actually be about 5+ different neighborhoods in other large cities, with unique residential districts. I'll use San Francisco as an example. It is a little under (roughly) 2 miles from Market and Powell Street (origin of the cable car) to Fisherman's Wharf or The Marina District. That route takes you through or near the CDB, Tenderloin, Nob Hill, Chinatown, Russian Hill, and Marina District which are some of the most well known and prominent neighborhoods in San Francisco.

Based on my rudimentary estimate, it is about the same distance from the Prime Osborn to Everbank Field as from Market and Powell to the Bay, though not as wide. Which is certainly enough room to create some very dense urban neighborhoods in the middle of what we consider our downtown. I agree with your point about a strong urban core of interconnected neighborhoods, but I also think we need a strong urban neighborhood or neighborhoods "downtown", otherwise people will just stay in their little pockets.

IMO, to truly create a vibrant 24 hour downtown, we need more of the young people that are innovating, creating, moving and shaking to live downtown or on the direct fringes of downtown, not a couple miles away in Riverside (or we need a direct transit connection). It would be nice if there was an infinite amount of people that fit that mold, but there aren't. Right now, there are a finite amount of people that fit this bill and a great deal of them live in Riverside and eat, drink, and play in the King Street area. Like I said, I'm happy to see King Street doing well, but I can't help but think that more of the great new places that have opened up would have opened downtown if not for the emergence of King Street. Given the recent issues in Riverside/Avondale, lack of future development opportunities, and parking issues, I believe all of this great energy could turn into much, much more Downtown than it ever can along King Street.



Title: Re: Downtown Catches Young VIbe
Post by: JeffreyS on January 23, 2013, 05:19:33 PM
The new Brooklyn developments seem to fit into that vision.
Title: Re: Downtown Catches Young VIbe
Post by: thelakelander on January 23, 2013, 05:24:55 PM
Quote from: CityLife on January 23, 2013, 05:14:05 PM
Based on my rudimentary estimate, it is about the same distance from the Prime Osborn to Everbank Field as from Market and Powell to the Bay, though not as wide. Which is certainly enough room to create some very dense urban neighborhoods in the middle of what we consider our downtown. I agree with your point about a strong urban core of interconnected neighborhoods, but I also think we need a strong urban neighborhood or neighborhoods "downtown", otherwise people will just stay in their little pockets.

Exclude the stadium/Commodore's Point and draw that line in a different direction and it easily penetrates Riverside, Brooklyn, Durkeeville, Springfield, etc.  Our vibrant urban core neighborhoods really aren't that far from the heart of downtown.  For example, both Five Points and San Marco Square are less than 1.5 miles from the Landing, which is basically the heart of downtown.

QuoteIMO, to truly create a vibrant 24 hour downtown, we need more of the young people that are innovating, creating, moving and shaking to live downtown or on the direct fringes of downtown, not a couple miles away in Riverside (or we need a direct transit connection).

Ultimately, we'll need both.  Transit is the key to tying them together in the short term (immediately tap into the residential market that already exists) and the stimulant for the pedestrian scaled infill you seek in the long term.

QuoteIt would be nice if there was an infinite amount of people that fit that mold, but there aren't. Right now, there are a finite amount of people that fit this bill and a great deal of them live in Riverside and eat, drink, and play in the King Street area. Like I said, I'm happy to see King Street doing well, but I can't help but think that more of the great new places that have opened up would have opened downtown if not for the emergence of King Street. Given the recent issues in Riverside/Avondale, lack of future development opportunities, and parking issues, I believe all of this great energy could turn into much, much more Downtown than it ever can along King Street.

I'm not sold that the issues in Riverside/Avondale will tilt in downtown's favor (outside of Brooklyn).  How the DIA addresses needed policy changes will have a major impact on downtown's, specifically the Northbank's, future.  Districts develop organically (like King Street recently), so if downtown policy remains too restrictive and challenging to the average entrepreneur, I could easily see something like Murray Hill's Edgewood Avenue becoming an outlet instead.
Title: Re: Downtown Catches Young VIbe
Post by: Captain Zissou on January 23, 2013, 05:37:02 PM
Quote from: downtownjag on January 23, 2013, 04:42:36 PM
I think it would be absolutely awesome if someone would throw a party in the alley behind Underbelly.  Not just use it as an outside section, but a full-blown party in that old alleyway that we have so few of.  Band, beerpong, whatever.  It's really cool back there, if you've ever walked it. 

Not sure if it's totally safe, given the condition of the Bostwick...

I used to sneak into Ivy's through the alley when my friends weren't quite 21.  As I was walking in, I always thought that it would be a great place to set up some lights and some high tops for Ivy's patrons.
Title: Re: Downtown Catches Young VIbe
Post by: marksjax on January 23, 2013, 05:39:02 PM
I concur with Jax Diablo that people are in need of a reason to come DT.
Where the city could help would be in programming and assisting in street closures as requested by venues.
I would recommend DIA start by naming a program director for day time and another for night time events.
These could be two DVI staffers perhaps. Instead of needing a lawyer and $2,000 to close a street I could just call this person and voila! it is done.
This would open up many more possibilities that are currently too much red tape and expense to bother with.
That is an example of what one change could do.
Title: Re: Downtown Catches Young VIbe
Post by: JaxDiablo on January 24, 2013, 10:03:11 AM
Quote from: marksjax on January 23, 2013, 05:39:02 PM
I concur with Jax Diablo that people are in need of a reason to come DT.
Where the city could help would be in programming and assisting in street closures as requested by venues.
I would recommend DIA start by naming a program director for day time and another for night time events.
These could be two DVI staffers perhaps. Instead of needing a lawyer and $2,000 to close a street I could just call this person and voila! it is done.
This would open up many more possibilities that are currently too much red tape and expense to bother with.
That is an example of what one change could do.

Just thinking of things to do -
Bartender Contest
Walking pub crawl of just downtown
More visibility of restaurants downtown (I frequent downtown and run a show down there and all I know of on a nightly basis being open is Indochine and BG not counting the landing.)
Better frigging lighting.  Seriously, you want to stem the homeless folks and the questionable activity the city needs to work on the lighting down there.  Make it inviting, make folks want to go through downtown for various things.
I know Downtown isn't exactly huge in size, but why don't we have something like Pedicabs or the Trolley's running at night from let's say Mark's to Phoenix Taproom or Secret's?  It would increase visibility of the lesser known bars and in general increase the revenue of downtown (I'd assume).
Title: Re: Downtown Catches Young VIbe
Post by: urbaknight on January 24, 2013, 03:08:26 PM
Quote from: JaxDiablo on January 24, 2013, 10:03:11 AM
Quote from: marksjax on January 23, 2013, 05:39:02 PM
I concur with Jax Diablo that people are in need of a reason to come DT.
Where the city could help would be in programming and assisting in street closures as requested by venues.
I would recommend DIA start by naming a program director for day time and another for night time events.
These could be two DVI staffers perhaps. Instead of needing a lawyer and $2,000 to close a street I could just call this person and voila! it is done.
This would open up many more possibilities that are currently too much red tape and expense to bother with.
That is an example of what one change could do.

I agree that we need more mass transit DT; And it needs to run more frequently and later at night as well. But judging JTA from as far as I've observed them and their way of thinking, they run that way on purpose. It's that prejudice thinking that, mass transit is strictly a form of welfare only.

1, People that rely on JTA surely can't afford to frequent the hot spots DT, so let's not even run buses by them.

2, Even if they can afford to go, we don't want a bunch of belligerent drunks on the buses causing trouble.

3,We don't want drunk people on the bus period. They can find someone to drive them home. Because anyone who's worth a damn in Jacksonville drives.

If we can just get JTA to change its mindset, it would go a long way. We have a new director that's not from here; Now we need to replace the rest of the board with outsiders of a more progressive background.
Title: Re: Downtown Catches Young VIbe
Post by: marksjax on January 24, 2013, 07:34:33 PM
JTA's distinct lack of interest in helping develop night time bus routes specifically for bars and restaurants is well known.
I was at meeting where I brought this up to their rep and he looked at me as if I was from Mars.
No creativity at JTA, just pencil pushers, bean counters and the like.
Pedicabs make more sense but JSO will run them off.
Those two entities could help but see no upside in doing so.
Status Quo is what holds this town back. It is so obvious.
Title: Re: Downtown Catches Young VIbe
Post by: thelakelander on July 14, 2013, 07:35:51 AM
Quote from: fieldafm on January 23, 2013, 05:02:39 PM
That was part of Bailey's Bay Street Entertainment District plan that got 'shelved'  (shelved would be a polite way to put it). 

Spent some time in downtown Montgomery, AL last night.  Saw a real life version of Bailey's idea that was right across the street from their minor league baseball park.  It was pretty cool.

(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Learning-From/Montgomery-2013/i-rsnkRN5/0/L/P1650354-L.jpg)

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(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Learning-From/Montgomery-2013/i-mMDDMxp/0/M/P1650361-M.jpg)

(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Learning-From/Montgomery-2013/i-zFFHjjg/0/M/P1650363-M.jpg)

(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Learning-From/Montgomery-2013/i-qz6jFbJ/0/M/P1650365-M.jpg)

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Title: Re: Downtown Catches Young VIbe
Post by: Noone on July 14, 2013, 08:00:03 AM
Very cool.

Pocket Parks/Pocket Piers. The 26' Jim Love, Kevin Kuzel, Berkman Floating dock compromise misrepresented by OGC to Waterways during the 2013 FIND grant application process would allow for a BOLD infill tactical Urban Core Waterway access point to a vibrant Bailey's Bay St. Entertainment district.

We need another round over here!