So maybe you heard about the 8 year old boy hit in the foot by a bullet (http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2013-01-01/story/8-year-old-boy-hit-likely-celebratory-gunfire-new-years-eve-southbank) falling from the sky during the fireworks on New Year's Eve.
I wasn't surprised to hear about it -- I was home on the 31st, and lost count of the gunshots that I could hear from my living room downtown.
I was surprised to find what you'll see here:
(http://i.imgur.com/Y2ls4.jpg)
Pistol round looks like a .380 auto or maybe .40S&W, and the rifle round probably 7.62xSomething. I gave the rifle round to the neighbor, seemed like the least I could do...
(http://i.imgur.com/z16wB.jpg)
Given that it made the above hole in his truck.
You can see more photos here (http://imgur.com/a/TCfbF). :o
Where do you live???
A bit surprised this does not happen more often. I hope the police were notified. >:(
Quote from: BridgeTroll on January 02, 2013, 10:06:07 AM
A bit surprised this does not happen more often. I hope the police were notified. >:(
I didn't call them. It's pretty obvious to me what happened and there isn't anything that can be done now. If it were my truck that had been damaged, I probably would have called. Our neighborhood watch coordinator & ShAdCo rep is aware, and if I know him he'll be in touch with them about it for whatever it's worth.
I honestly can't believe that celebratory gunfire is a thing.
Don't bullets have identifying marks to the gun that fired them? Can't they track them down from that? Assuming the gun was legally purchased and the markings weren't filed down.
I heard gunfire over in Riverside during New Years Eve the cops can't be everywhere. And people should know that shooting a gun in the air that the bullet has to come down. ::)
Quote from: stephendare on January 02, 2013, 10:26:41 AM
Quote from: If_I_Loved_you on January 02, 2013, 10:24:33 AM
I heard gunfire over in Riverside during New Years Eve the cops can't be everywhere. And people should know that shooting a gun in the air that the bullet has to come down. ::)
wonder why they shoot them then?
I would have to say it makes the person doing it feel cool?
surprised to hear that it happens in the urban areas. It would seem that it would mainly be a suburb/rural thing.
The microstamp is interesting... from what I know of it I would harbor no objection. But it would not have helped in the blfair situation. As indicated in the article... the firing pin would be stamped and the pin would imprint the primer of the spent cartridge. The actual bullet has no such marking... only the spent cartridge could be traced to the gun.
I posted this on reddit as well, and someone replied with this story from PA: Pa. girl on life support, may have been hit by New Years gunshot (http://www.cecildaily.com/news/local_news/article_570bb62c-5446-11e2-87dc-001a4bcf887a.html).
Coming to a town or city near you? Atlantic City Installing Gunshot Detection System: http://www.officer.com/news/10839657/atlantic-city-installing-gunshot-detection-system
Quote from: stephendare on January 02, 2013, 10:14:20 AM
Springfield New Years Eve night was pretty crazy with the gun shots. All night long people were shooting their guns to 'celebrate'.
They were doing the same thing over near UNF.
Widespread responsible gun ownership, all night.
Haven't you heard, Stephan? Obama's going to take their guns away. It's all about defiance and patriotism.
Those kids that got hit by stray bullets just aren't patriotic enough. Shame on their parents for not teaching them about gun and bullet safety! ::)
Growing up i spent all my christmas' and new years in New Orleans visiting family. During the entire holiday season there they would air public service annoucements on all the TV stations letting people know that "Falling Bullets Kill".
I'm not sure whether PSA's of that sort have an impact, but I'm sure there is a population of people who don't think about the fact that what goes up must come down.
Quote from: iluvolives on January 02, 2013, 11:50:59 AM
Growing up i spent all my christmas' and new years in New Orleans visiting family. During the entire holiday season there they would air public service annoucements on all the TV stations letting people know that "Falling Bullets Kill".
I'm not sure whether PSA's of that sort have an impact, but I'm sure there is a population of people who don't think about the fact that what goes up must come down.
Smart idea I would like to see these commercials played days before New Years Eve and other Holidays in which Stupid people shoot firearms into the air.
Quote from: Bridges on January 02, 2013, 10:15:38 AM
I honestly can't believe that celebratory gunfire is a thing.
Don't bullets have identifying marks to the gun that fired them? Can't they track them down from that? Assuming the gun was legally purchased and the markings weren't filed down.
Its been going on forever. Wild west days it was very common & EVERYONE did it. Nowadays its only idiots doing it. I don't know ANY responsible gun owner who would think this is a good idea, esp in a populated area. You only see it in gang areas, areas that are blighted with usually other illegal activities going on, etc. Not saying Spr is that, but it def has some of that element still.
I remember watching a Gangland episode where they talked about it happening every year in a project in Chicago. Like dozens of people doing it. So it def happens & it can def be worse.
QuoteCabriniâ€"Green often gained press coverage for its chaotic New Year's Eve celebrations when gang members fired guns into the air causing police to block off nearby streets every year.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabriniâ€"Green#Reputation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabrini%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%22Green#Reputation)
^ It's not limited to "gang" areas.... Rural, suburban, urban. It doesn't matter where you are, people will fire thier guns if given the chance. Some pop 'em in the dirt or a tree, but most shoot up.
I saw a Mythbusters thing on this and they seemed to make it look like it wasn't so bad - like the bullet wouldn't do much more than give you a bit of a headache or a cut/lump on the head if it hit you. Maybe I am not quite remembering it well - but it definitely stands out in my mind as them saying it wasn't fatal.
Anybody else see that episode?
I'm used to Mythbusters being wrong (or at least playing a bit fast and loose with the scientific method), but still...
Quote from: Adam W on January 02, 2013, 02:30:55 PM
I saw a Mythbusters thing on this and they seemed to make it look like it wasn't so bad - like the bullet wouldn't do much more than give you a bit of a headache or a cut/lump on the head if it hit you. Maybe I am not quite remembering it well - but it definitely stands out in my mind as them saying it wasn't fatal.
Anybody else see that episode?
I'm used to Mythbusters being wrong (or at least playing a bit fast and loose with the scientific method), but still...
http://www.13wmaz.com/rss/article/210464/28/Florida-Woman-Boy-Hit-by-Falling-Bullets-on-New-Years
Quote from: Adam W on January 02, 2013, 02:30:55 PM
I saw a Mythbusters thing on this and they seemed to make it look like it wasn't so bad - like the bullet wouldn't do much more than give you a bit of a headache or a cut/lump on the head if it hit you. Maybe I am not quite remembering it well - but it definitely stands out in my mind as them saying it wasn't fatal.
Anybody else see that episode?
I'm used to Mythbusters being wrong (or at least playing a bit fast and loose with the scientific method), but still...
Yeah if it's shot directly up and comes staight down it won't realyl do anything but hurt if it lands on your head. the biggest issue is when people shoot at and angle to the horizon and it doesn't just fall out of the sky, but is still travelling at a high speed horizontal to the ground.
Quote from: acme54321 on January 02, 2013, 02:49:38 PM
Quote from: Adam W on January 02, 2013, 02:30:55 PM
I saw a Mythbusters thing on this and they seemed to make it look like it wasn't so bad - like the bullet wouldn't do much more than give you a bit of a headache or a cut/lump on the head if it hit you. Maybe I am not quite remembering it well - but it definitely stands out in my mind as them saying it wasn't fatal.
Anybody else see that episode?
I'm used to Mythbusters being wrong (or at least playing a bit fast and loose with the scientific method), but still...
http://mythbustersresults.com/episode50
The only myth to receive all three ratings at the same time.
Quote from: subro on January 02, 2013, 02:52:02 PM
Quote from: acme54321 on January 02, 2013, 02:49:38 PM
Quote from: Adam W on January 02, 2013, 02:30:55 PM
I saw a Mythbusters thing on this and they seemed to make it look like it wasn't so bad - like the bullet wouldn't do much more than give you a bit of a headache or a cut/lump on the head if it hit you. Maybe I am not quite remembering it well - but it definitely stands out in my mind as them saying it wasn't fatal.
Anybody else see that episode?
I'm used to Mythbusters being wrong (or at least playing a bit fast and loose with the scientific method), but still...
http://mythbustersresults.com/episode50
The only myth to receive all three ratings at the same time.
Thanks Subro! That makes sense.
Quote from: Jason on January 02, 2013, 02:24:07 PM
^ It's not limited to "gang" areas.... Rural, suburban, urban. It doesn't matter where you are, people will fire thier guns if given the chance. Some pop 'em in the dirt or a tree, but most shoot up.
I'm talking about firing your gun in the air like an idiot in populated areas, not firing guns in general. There's a difference in doing it on your rural property in the middle of nowhere & doing it in a condensed urban area.
^ My point is that it is certainly not limited to urban "gang" areas. I've heard gunfire in nice gated communities on the 4th and on New Years as well as my old westside neighborhood off of Normandy and in Murray Hill.... It doesn't matter where you are, it is still reckless and dangerous.
Falling bullets can kill. They fall at over 300 MPH+ depending on the caliber and shape. They frequently penetrate roofs and cause leaks. Just ask your local roofer. The boy on the Riverwalk was lucky that it didn't hit him in the head and that bullet could have come from a mile away.
Stupid, just stupid thing to do and there were lot of stupid people in my neighborhood Monday night.
You NEVER shoot a gun unless you have a very good idea of where the bullet is going to end up.
Quote from: peestandingup on January 02, 2013, 04:14:24 PM
Quote from: Jason on January 02, 2013, 02:24:07 PM
^ It's not limited to "gang" areas.... Rural, suburban, urban. It doesn't matter where you are, people will fire thier guns if given the chance. Some pop 'em in the dirt or a tree, but most shoot up.
I'm talking about firing your gun in the air like an idiot in populated areas, not firing guns in general. There's a difference in doing it on your rural property in the middle of nowhere & doing it in a condensed urban area.
(There's a difference in doing it on your rural property in the middle of nowhere) Forrest Gump would have said: Stupid is as stupid does.
Still a pretty stupid thing to do!
http://www.youtube.com/v/TDB838Vi6hw
The expert opinion of MJ's resident expert on Special Weapons And Tactics, second amendment rights and chief apologist for JSO seems to be notably absent from this thread. <Crickets>
Quote from: Jason on January 02, 2013, 04:41:34 PM
^ My point is that it is certainly not limited to urban "gang" areas. I've heard gunfire in nice gated communities on the 4th and on New Years as well as my old westside neighborhood off of Normandy and in Murray Hill.... It doesn't matter where you are, it is still reckless and dangerous.
I believe you, I've just never ever heard of that going on in gated communities/suburbs before.
I've said it before and I'm not the first to say it: The problem isn't the guns; it's the bullets. We sell ammunition in WalMart. We won't sell firecrackers or bottle rockets, but 9mm rounds? no problem. The gun is just a tool. The weapon is the bullet.
Nothing in the constitution talks about a right to own enough ammo to take on a battalion. Make em $50/bullet, registered in a database. Easier to follow the trail of bullet casings than the gun that shot them.
Just a thought.
Quote from: RockStar on January 02, 2013, 08:55:49 PM
I've said it before and I'm not the first to say it: The problem isn't the guns; it's the bullets. We sell ammunition in WalMart. We won't sell firecrackers or bottle rockets, but 9mm rounds? no problem. The gun is just a tool. The weapon is the bullet.
Nothing in the constitution talks about a right to own enough ammo to take on a battalion. Make em $50/bullet, registered in a database. Easier to follow the trail of bullet casings than the gun that shot them.
Just a thought.
So basically just make them so expensive that only the government/gov agencies & the rich elites of the country have access to them. Might not be such a good plan.
^ Agreed.
The bullets aren't the problem either.... its the few dummies that misuse their guns.
Quote from: peestandingup on January 03, 2013, 07:36:28 AM
Quote from: RockStar on January 02, 2013, 08:55:49 PM
I've said it before and I'm not the first to say it: The problem isn't the guns; it's the bullets. We sell ammunition in WalMart. We won't sell firecrackers or bottle rockets, but 9mm rounds? no problem. The gun is just a tool. The weapon is the bullet.
Nothing in the constitution talks about a right to own enough ammo to take on a battalion. Make em $50/bullet, registered in a database. Easier to follow the trail of bullet casings than the gun that shot them.
Just a thought.
So basically just make them so expensive that only the government/gov agencies & the rich elites of the country have access to them. Might not be such a good plan.
Fine. Put em gumball machines for all I care. But that doesn't change the fact that they should be registered to the purchaser.
The few dummies that misuse their guns? Dummy isn't the word I'd use to describe them.
Thank God I stayed home, and inside, for New Years.