Pretty weak match-up for the Gator Bowl this year: Northwestern vs. Mississippi State.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/gator-bowl-gets-less-than-marquee-matchup-with-northwestern-mississippi-state/2012/12/02/beccde66-3ce6-11e2-8a5c-473797be602c_story.html
Granted, the Big 10 selection was messed up by the OSU and Penn State scandals, but we're going to have to find a way to move up the SEC & Big 10 selection ladder if we want to start seeing bigger games played here again.
doesn't matter, they are all exhibition games. You just hope the teams bring people to spend money.
Pretty terrible matchup. The Gator Bowl's desperation to have an SEC affiliation has pushed them pretty far down the totem pole. And I hate that all these bowls are Big10/SEC matchups.
Quote from: fsquid on December 03, 2012, 12:02:01 PM
doesn't matter, they are all exhibition games. You just hope the teams bring people to spend money.
Do you expect these teams to bring many people to spend money?
Quote from: copperfiend on December 03, 2012, 12:06:59 PM
Pretty terrible matchup. The Gator Bowl's desperation to have an SEC affiliation has them pretty far down the totem pole. And I hate that all these bowls are Big10/SEC matchups.
What's sad is that 6th-7th pick in the SEC and the 4th-5th in the Big 10 is a better financial investment than the 2nd team in both the ACC and Big East.
Quote from: Tacachale on December 03, 2012, 12:10:54 PMWhat's sad is that 6th-7th pick in the SEC and the 4th-5th in the Big 10 is a better financial investment than the 2nd team in both the ACC and Big East.
No Joke. If the ACC can't even get people to show up at their championship what would make anyone think that they would go to a bowl game?
Quote from: Tacachale on December 03, 2012, 12:10:54 PM
What's sad is that 6th-7th pick in the SEC and the 4th-5th in the Big 10 is a better financial investment than the 2nd team in both the ACC and Big East.
I liked it when the Gator Bowl had the Big12 tie-in. That Clemson/Nebraska game was pretty well attended. But unless you get Clemson, Va Tech, FSU or NC State, nobody shows up.
As Sam Kouvaris tweeted yesterday, if The Gatorbowl Association manages to sell more than 55,000 tickets, they deserve salesman of the year award. This Bowl game has really dropped down in ranking and now only appears on ESP2.
True story, The Gator Bowl averaged 70,658 in its last 10 years with the old ACC tie in (2001-2010). Last year with UF and OSU attendance was 61,312. Only one year of the past 10 with the old tie in had lower attendance and that was UVA vs. Texas Tech in 2008 with 60,243.
Of course attendance is down at sporting events nationwide (HD TV and the economy), but still the new Gator Bowl tie ins are not interesting at all.
Hopefully with the upcoming playoff model, there will be some sort of re-bidding for the non-BCS games. We have one of the best stadiums that hosts a bowl game and we are relegated to unranked mediocre SEC teams. You would think with the amount of premium seating we have that we could get ahead of that dump in Orlando.
I'll be there. This is still a great event for Jax.
Quote from: Tacachale on December 03, 2012, 11:55:08 AM
Pretty weak match-up for the Gator Bowl this year: Northwestern vs. Mississippi State.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/gator-bowl-gets-less-than-marquee-matchup-with-northwestern-mississippi-state/2012/12/02/beccde66-3ce6-11e2-8a5c-473797be602c_story.html
Granted, the Big 10 selection was messed up by the OSU and Penn State scandals, but we're going to have to find a way to move up the SEC & Big 10 selection ladder if we want to start seeing bigger games played here again.
Does anyone know how the Gator Bowl with all its history fell behind some of these other bowls (Outback, Capital One, etc) in regards to team selections? Is it just not a big enough payout?
It's money. It seems like to me that bowls like the Citrus Bowl (Capital One), Hall of Game Bowl (Outback) and Peach Bowl (Chick-Fil-A) were willing to align themselves with a corporate partner and their payouts to schools increased. The Gator Bowl has narrowed the gap some but ten years ago, it wasn't even close to those games.
Quote from: exnewsman on December 03, 2012, 04:12:07 PM
Quote from: Tacachale on December 03, 2012, 11:55:08 AM
Pretty weak match-up for the Gator Bowl this year: Northwestern vs. Mississippi State.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/gator-bowl-gets-less-than-marquee-matchup-with-northwestern-mississippi-state/2012/12/02/beccde66-3ce6-11e2-8a5c-473797be602c_story.html
Granted, the Big 10 selection was messed up by the OSU and Penn State scandals, but we're going to have to find a way to move up the SEC & Big 10 selection ladder if we want to start seeing bigger games played here again.
Does anyone know how the Gator Bowl with all its history fell behind some of these other bowls (Outback, Capital One, etc) in regards to team selections? Is it just not a big enough payout?
It's all about the payout. Everyone's contract is up for renewal this year. The GBA is currently trying to secure sponsorship to leapfrog the Outback Bowl(which has a higher payout) in conference selection pecking order.
It's not just the money, it's the fact that the BCS is BS. After the Big 4 take the best teams rest of the bowls pick from among who's left through financial augury and voodoo magic.
In our case it's also our tie in switches. From 1996, the Gator Bowl had tie ins with the ACC and Big East to take their #2 teams. For various historical reasons, those matchups started declining in draw. During the last 10 years or so, the Big East has turned south in a big way, and the GBA's relationship with both conferences started to deteriorate. In 2007 we got relegated to the #3 pick for the ACC, and to try and make up for the Big East, the GBA signed the deal to split picks between them and the Big 12. The GBA and the ACC had had some other issues as well, notably over the ACC Championship Game, and in 2009 and 2010 they decided to make picks based on who would be a draw, rather than who was highest ranked. In 2010, they grabbed big drawing West Virginia, and then fought with the ACC to let them pick FSU over several higher teams. It was a huge game, but that was pretty much it for the ACC in Jacksonville.
Meanwhile, some of the other bowls, especially the Capitol One and Outback, and to an extent even the Peach Bowl, have gotten higher in the pecking order. This is due to their big payouts as well as their having a longer period of tie ins with more competitive conferences. In order to get tie ins with the SEC and Big Ten, the Gator Bowl has had to start pretty low.
At any rate, it's still a great event for Jax, and we'll see what happens next year, and how the playoffs system shakes out.
This bit never gets old LOL
www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTtJ60mcfFw
Gator Bowl might be grumbling, but look at the Orange Bowl.
FSU has to play the MAC champion, Northern Illinois.
NIU has not been a push over in the past (they have beaten Iowa, Georgia and Maryland) and they are a good team this year, however, their coach will not be there because he is now the coach at NC State. (Dave Doeren)
NIU has not faced the same level of competition in the MAC, that FSU has faced in the ACC. Because the MAC is non-BCS, NIU has been stuck playing either Fresno State or UNLV in the International Bowl or in the GMAC Bowl in the post season.
FSU playing either Ohio State or Penn State would have been interesting, but their ineligibility has caused a BCS power shortage.
FYI: Northwestern has over 18,000 alumni in Florida and sold their total allotment when they played Auburn in the Citrus Bowl on that gawd awful field years ago.
So I think the Gator Bowl did just fine under the circumstances.
Nice video I-10east.
Heard GBA guy Rick Cattlett say on 1010XL that his job was to fill hotel rooms and put butts in the seats. Bowl games are advertising for the cities, schools and sponsors and a treat for the student athletes. There are a LOT of people deeply vested in the bowl game status quo. Change will come very slowly.
I am an MSU graduate who has been living/working in Jacksonville for the past 7 years. We're excited and hoping that travel arrangements come through for my friends currently trying to make plans.
Thanks for the warm welcome.
Quote from: moosebumps on December 04, 2012, 10:40:17 AM
I am an MSU graduate who has been living/working in Jacksonville for the past 7 years. We're excited and hoping that travel arrangements come through for my friends currently trying to make plans.
Thanks for the warm welcome.
Awesome! When Mississippi State played here in 2010 you put something like 20,000 butts in seats and crushed Michigan. My father in law wasn't too pleased with that result, but regardless the Dawgs are always welcome in Jacksonville.
Quote from: urbanlibertarian on December 04, 2012, 10:20:52 AM
Nice video I-10east.
Heard GBA guy Rick Cattlett say on 1010XL that his job was to fill hotel rooms and put butts in the seats. Bowl games are advertising for the cities, schools and sponsors and a treat for the student athletes. There are a LOT of people deeply vested in the bowl game status quo. Change will come very slowly.
Hopefully the Gator Bowl can pursue change within the status quo to move up in the pecking order and become a bigger game again. As for change coming, remember that while bowl games are very old, this BCS BS dates only to 1998, and it's the major cause of problems with the bowl system since then. Beginning in the 2014 season, change is coming in the form of a playoff among the top contenders, which hopefully will even things out among all the bowls.
Quote from: moosebumps on December 04, 2012, 10:40:17 AM
I am an MSU graduate who has been living/working in Jacksonville for the past 7 years. We're excited and hoping that travel arrangements come through for my friends currently trying to make plans.
Thanks for the warm welcome.
Dude, if the Jags ever make it to the Superbowl they'll be very lucky to get the welcome MSU is getting. Forgive us for having great expectations. I'm a Gator fan and I'll be at the game cheering your Bulldogs. Hope your friends have a great time in Jax.
QuoteHopefully the Gator Bowl can pursue change within the status quo to move up in the pecking order and become a bigger game again.
My suspicion is that the only way the GBA gets enough money to outbid the higher bowls is if they're willing to sell the "Gator Bowl" name. That means going from the TaxSlayer.com Gator Bowl to the TaxSlayer.com Bowl. Or whatever sponsor is willing to pony up the dough. How does the Flex-N-Gate Bowl sound? :)
That's how the Peach Bowl managed to move up to the #2 ACC selection, by selling the "Peach" name to Chick-Fil-A. When it was the Chick-Fil-A Peach Bowl, nobody called it that. They still called it the Peach Bowl. Chick-Fil-A recognized this fact and offered the bowl more money to get rid of the Peach name entirely. Now people have to call it the Chick-Fil-A Bowl.
Same with the Citrus Bowl and Capital One Financial Corp. Same with the Hall of Fame Bowl and Outback Steakhouse. Unless you've got BCS money, eventually everyone has to sell out.
That is correct.
Align yourself with a sponsor and essentially sell the rights to the bowl name. Be a peer with the Capital One Bowl or Chick Fil A Bowl.
Or stay where you are and be happy being a peer bowl with the Alamo Bowl and Music City Bowl.
Do you guys remember the Outback Gator Bowl? Imagine if they had kept that relationship and changed it to the Outback Bowl in 1995 when the stadium opened and was the crown jewel of NFL stadiums.
Quote from: Dapperdan on December 03, 2012, 01:00:12 PM
As Sam Kouvaris tweeted yesterday, if The Gatorbowl Association manages to sell more than 55,000 tickets, they deserve salesman of the year award. This Bowl game has really dropped down in ranking and now only appears on ESP2.
ESPN2? Sad. Thats even worse than when the game was on TBS.
you can get a ticket for $2.40.
http://www.stubhub.com/gator-bowl-tickets/2012-gator-bowl-1-1-2013-4048584/