I-95 Overland Bridge Project Revised
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The Overland Bridge replacement project will involve the expansion and rebuilding of a structurally deficient Interstate 95, between the Fuller Warren Bridge and San Diego Road. Predicted to snarl urban Jacksonville traffic for years, the proposed $200 million project has a new FDOT project manager and new design that doesn't include bicycle facilities between San Marco and St. Nicholas.
Full Article
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2012-nov-i-95-overland-bridge-project-revised
Any thoughts on how a future Skyway extension would pass through or beneath the new bridge? At the moment the end station is at or near the same height as the current bridge.
The line would just drop down enough to run beneath it.
The lack of bike access between San Marco and St. Nicholas should be a non-starter. And I can't tell, how will one get from the Main Street Bridge to San Marco?
QuoteIf you are interested in petitioning FDOT to not to leave out design and installation of bicycle lanes and or bicycle facilities for the Overland Bridge Project at the interchange of I-95 and Atlantic Boulevard, the deadline for public comments in Friday, November 9, 2012. All interested persons are encouraged to contact or send an email to Craig Teal, P.E. at the Florida Department of Transportation.
Craig Teal, P.E., Project Manager
Florida Department of Transportation
1109 s Marion Avenue, MS 2002
Lake City, Fl 32025-5874
(386) 961.7703 or (800)749.2967
Craig.teal@dot.state.fl.us
This is very important, and I would urge everyone that reads this to take five minutes out of your day to email or call Mr Teal to express your thoughts on safe cycling access at this interchange. This exit is going to be a big deal to the health of San Marco, St Nicholas and the Southbank and we have to get this right from the beginning.
Quote from: Tacachale on November 05, 2012, 09:40:31 AM
The lack of bike access between San Marco and St. Nicholas should be a non-starter. And I can't tell, how will one get from the Main Street Bridge to San Marco?
You have to get off at the southbank exit and take prudential or around to hendricks, kings, or san marco rd.
The aestetics of this are goign to be big.
Issues I see:
Tree removal. I'm sure they are going to level every tree on all of the parcels they took over with emminent domain. Please write and request they only take what they have to. A lot of trees along Atlantic and Southampton roads can be saved.
Ponds. There are a ton of ponds here. With the new plan they can put these ponds under the bridge like they have done in riverside. These ponds create huge dead spaces. Please mention this also.
Pedestrain connectivity. What pedestrian facilities will be provided with this job? They don't mention any. The current sidewalk situation under that bridge sucks. Cyclists/walkers get hit by cars there all the time.
Quote from: acme54321 on November 05, 2012, 12:33:04 PM
Quote from: Tacachale on November 05, 2012, 09:40:31 AM
The lack of bike access between San Marco and St. Nicholas should be a non-starter. And I can't tell, how will one get from the Main Street Bridge to San Marco?
You have to get off at the southbank exit and take prudential or around to hendricks, kings, or san marco rd.
the other option will be to follow the C/D road and get off at the new Atlantic/Philips exit...and then enter San Marco via Atlantic
of course, one could also just shift from the Main St Bridge to the Acosta Bridge
Quote from: acme54321 on November 05, 2012, 12:33:04 PM
Quote from: Tacachale on November 05, 2012, 09:40:31 AM
The lack of bike access between San Marco and St. Nicholas should be a non-starter. And I can't tell, how will one get from the Main Street Bridge to San Marco?
You have to get off at the southbank exit and take prudential or around to hendricks, kings, or san marco rd.
The aestetics of this are goign to be big.
Issues I see:
Tree removal. I'm sure they are going to level every tree on all of the parcels they took over with emminent domain. Please write and request they only take what they have to. A lot of trees along Atlantic and Southampton roads can be saved.
Ponds. There are a ton of ponds here. With the new plan they can put these ponds under the bridge like they have done in riverside. These ponds create huge dead spaces. Please mention this also.
Pedestrain connectivity. What pedestrian facilities will be provided with this job? They don't mention any. The current sidewalk situation under that bridge sucks. Cyclists/walkers get hit by cars there all the time.
Great points. SMPS and SNAP sent emails out to their members asking them to comment. The most concerning to me is the pedestrian/bicycle connectivity between San Marco & St. Nicholas. I feel safer riding my bike from San Marco Square to 5 Points than I do from San Marco Square to St Nicholas Town Center.
Quote from: spuwho on November 05, 2012, 09:32:35 AM
Any thoughts on how a future Skyway extension would pass through or beneath the new bridge? At the moment the end station is at or near the same height as the current bridge.
Now that they've decided to use bridges rather then fill, the only change will probably be fresh concrete in place of old concrete. One would think that FDOT/JTA/USDOT absolutely have to know that the Skyway will SOMEDAY go south of Kings Avenue Station in which case the current scenario would be duplicated. THE FUTURE SKYWAY UNDERPASS COULD STAY THE SAME, HOWEVER NEVER EXPECT FDOT/JTA/USDOT TO THINK!
We need to lean hard on these "public servants" that they absolutely, positively, MUST consider pedestrians and bicyclists, not just on the Overland Bridge, but in ANY improvement at the JTB and I-95 interchange also.
I might be helpful if our on line and contributing planners, architects and engineers would throw some ideas up on the site for consideration. Personally I'd like to see us lobby for a network of bike/pedestrian primary routes radiating out from the central city to the distant reaches of the county. As an example, Philips Highway doesn't even have sidewalks much south of Emerson. So for starters we add a 12', mixed use, bi-directional trail down one side of the highway from Wal-Mart to Race Track Road. Similar paths along Beach, Atlantic, University, Roosevelt, Blanding/Park, Edgewood/Norwood, Post/Normandy, Cassatt, Moncrief/MLK, Dunn, Main, Hecksher and maybe Merrill Roads. Add these to the few already in service such as the Baldwin Rail-Trail and the Kernan Trail. From these arterials connector trails would quickly create a comprehensive network. None of this will ever happen unless we can get the same type of action that we got for the Mobility Plan Sunsetting.
One last thought on the FREEway project. If the high carbon content of the soils below the bridge destroyed the piers, how much extra will it cost to remove it? On the surface the bridge might appear cheaper to build, but over the life of the project, sinking those bents into that same old railroad coal terminal yard, will likely have the same result.
Noticed buildings demolished all the way to the Doll House on Atlantic and it looks like its next .
Quote from: Timkin on November 05, 2012, 10:07:50 PM
Noticed buildings demolished all the way to the Doll House on Atlantic and it looks like its next .
That place reminds me of a certain old house of ill repute in Sanford. Before the new owners could start the restoration they had to have a pest control company come out and tent it... I later heard they pumped it full of Penicillin!
I think it should be torched. Would make demolition a lot easier ! :)
I've submitted my concerns to Mr. Teal and they are now part of the permanent record.
Quote from: Timkin on November 05, 2012, 10:07:50 PM
Noticed buildings demolished all the way to the Doll House on Atlantic and it looks like its next .
The Doll House has closed...and yes, it will be demolished soon
Thank you for sharing this! I just sent my letter to Mr. Teal and have asked friends, family, and neighbors to as well.
I live in st. Nicholas in the neighborhood behind Havana Jax. My husband and I ride bikes to and from San Marco frequently for leisure and often as transportation to work (we both work in San Marco). As the buildings started coming down along Atlantic these past two weeks, I could tell our "bike path" would be gone as well before too long. Aside from loving my bike rides to San Marco, eliminating the bike and pedestrian paths will affect schools, community centers, nonprofit organizations, and countless small businesses that provide services to both of these communities. I hope this decision can be reconsidered!!
On a side note, someone mentioned SNAP.... is this a St. Nicholas area group? I've been trying to find something like this since moving to the area and have only found outdated websites. Is there group that anyone can connect me with? Thank you!
The ponds are necessary where they are because they are going to make the road more "earth supported". Originally the purpose was to eleminate the "bridge" as much as possible because of structure and maintenance issues. There won't be any under the interstate to put them. Vaults would likely be expensive.
Quote from: Overstreet on November 06, 2012, 06:21:48 PM
The ponds are necessary where they are because they are going to make the road more "earth supported". Originally the purpose was to eleminate the "bridge" as much as possible because of structure and maintenance issues. There won't be any under the interstate to put them. Vaults would likely be expensive.
You should reread the article.
Did anyone get any responce back from their emails?
Quote from: acme54321 on November 21, 2012, 02:15:34 PM
Did anyone get any responce back from their emails?
FDOT heard from the bicycling community loud and clear. They are working on a few design options and have presented the ideas to the BPAC for comment.
Are the revisions by FDOT submitted to BPAC available to view online?
not sure...but basically the choices are a separated multi-use path on one side or 4' on-road bike lanes on both sides
http://www.youtube.com/v/ana_O2n9ENU?
Not trying to dig up old threads, but came across this clip on youtube tonight.
Pretty dramatic... 8)
Great video! This production is very similar to many of the recent projects that the FDOT has been working on. Whomever they have hired to put these videos together is really doing a great job.
Quote from: Jason on May 30, 2014, 09:36:53 AM
Great video! This production is very similar to many of the recent projects that the FDOT has been working on. Whomever they have hired to put these videos together is really doing a great job.
RS&H, the designer, created the video. From what I understand, FDOT did not hire RS&H specifically to produce the video.
According to an actionnews piece concerning the pedestrian/bike access issue on the FWB, the FDOT taking that matter very seriously; To quote Councilman Robin Lumb "favorable consideration". If approved, the FWB ped/bike access would be it's own project aside from the Overland project. I'll post the video link when it's available.
^^^It's under "New Bridge Walkway Plan" about 1 minute in. Sorry about the lack of fluidity.
www.actionnewsjax.com/videos/news/local-news/lDBH/
Quote from: I-10east on July 04, 2014, 11:40:32 PM
^^^It's under "New Bridge Walkway Plan" about 1 minute in. Sorry about the lack of fluidity.
www.actionnewsjax.com/videos/news/local-news/lDBH/
Man that's terrific news. I can't wait to see the plans. As an independently-designed second project, it will be possible to get a lot of good feedback and design something unique and useful. The upcoming meeting should be a good sounding board.
It's not an independently designed project. It would be a part of the Fuller Warren Bridge widening project. Discussion board members here, should give themselves a hand on the back, but continue to push to make sure it happens. This concept may not have materialized if not for you, concerned residents, and their political representatives deciding not to accept status quo. If interested, here's some background information showing the timeline of how this evolved from being told "no" to where things are today.
The Fuller Warren Bridge Expansion Project - 12/11/13
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2013-dec-the-fuller-warren-bridge-expansion-project
Bikes & Pedestrians On The Fuller Warren Bridge? - 12/23/13
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2013-dec-bikes-pedestrians-on-the-fuller-warren-bridge#.U7gQP_ldXKM
FDOT Misguiding Public on Fuller Warren Bridge Project? - 2/10/14
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2014-feb-fdot-misguiding-public-on-fuller-warren-bridge-project
Fuller Warren Bridge Widening: City Council Responds - 4/7/14
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2014-apr-fuller-warren-bridge-widening-city-council-responds
Quote from: Jason on November 05, 2012, 09:36:28 AM
The line would just drop down enough to run beneath it.
Which is something the CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, COJ and any SAN MARCO BUSINESS ASSOCIATION should be looking at. Send it under and nobody notices. Send it OVER and every CEO and the kids on a road trip to Disney see's it and goes home CONVINCED that Jacksonville is the most cutting edge city on earth... I mean actually the universal public perception of monorails for anybody not in the transit business is that they are the 'trains of the future.' This is an opportunity to complete blow the mind of anybody and everybody coming down the pike and we'll likely rationalize the opportunity away.
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on May 29, 2014, 11:30:21 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/ana_O2n9ENU?
Not trying to dig up old threads, but came across this clip on youtube tonight.
My nephew does these kinds of videos up in the midwest. He liked this one, said it turned a "mundane road project" into something interesting. He thought the music selection was different because the beat has a sense of urgency to it, "kind of like music from a Jason Bourne movie" as he put it.
This one was done by Byson Digital for RS&H.
If you want to see their other videos for other projects, go to:
http://www.youtube.com/user/BysonDigital (http://www.youtube.com/user/BysonDigital)
Take a look at the Veteran's Memorial Bridge in Stuart. It has not only a ped/bike ROW, but out sections with park benches on the bridge too so people can sit and watch. Hopefully FDOT can be just as creative.
Given the location, amenities on the Fuller Warren path would help make it a natural urban core/downtown destination for exercise, sightseeing, connectivity, mobility, etc. Tons of pluses. Very few negatives for all parties involved, including FDOT.
Quote from: thelakelander on July 05, 2014, 10:52:28 AM
It's not an independently designed project. It would be a part of the Fuller Warren Bridge widening project.
Not according to that page 2 actionnewsnews link. They said that "there is no cost yet". It sounds independent to me.
^ Lakelander is correct. It is independent from the Overland Bridge project currently underway. It will be part of the I-95/I-10 interchange project. The reason there "is no cost yet" is because they are still working through preliminary design concepts. By the time they go to another public meeting next month, they will have cost estimates for each component of the project.
^^^My bad, I got confused with the I-95/I-10 project and the Overland.
FANTASTIC NEWS!!!
Here's more
http://members.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2014-07-05/story/bike-walkway-path-over-fuller-warren-bridge-other-projects-being-eyed
Quote from: tufsu1 on July 05, 2014, 09:38:20 PM
Here's more
http://members.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2014-07-05/story/bike-walkway-path-over-fuller-warren-bridge-other-projects-being-eyed
I would say a big fat "FACE!" to the FDOT guy who said it was illegal before getting context. LOL. Guess they sent him back to FDOT 201 and retake the class on FHA design codes.
Quote from: spuwho on July 05, 2014, 10:05:06 PM
Quote from: tufsu1 on July 05, 2014, 09:38:20 PM
Here's more
http://members.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2014-07-05/story/bike-walkway-path-over-fuller-warren-bridge-other-projects-being-eyed
I would say a big fat "FACE!" to the FDOT guy who said it was illegal before getting context. LOL. Guess they sent him back to FDOT 201 and retake the class on FHA design codes.
Lol...take the high road, spuwho. and by that of course i mean the future pedestrian path on the fuller warren.
Quote from: spuwho on July 05, 2014, 10:05:06 PM
Quote from: tufsu1 on July 05, 2014, 09:38:20 PM
Here's more
http://members.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2014-07-05/story/bike-walkway-path-over-fuller-warren-bridge-other-projects-being-eyed
I would say a big fat "FACE!" to the FDOT guy who said it was illegal before getting context. LOL. Guess they sent him back to FDOT 201 and retake the class on FHA design codes.
Actually the guy behind that statement has resigned from FDOT to run for the
Clay Baker County Commission. Good that the arrogant jerk is gone.
I also vote for 15-20 foot corinthian columns to line the bridge with stylistic lighting and/or seasonal banners. Give that damn thing a personality.
Quote from: Ocklawaha on July 06, 2014, 12:08:39 PM
I also vote for 15-20 foot corinthian columns to line the bridge with stylistic lighting and/or seasonal banners. Give that damn thing a personality.
There aren't anymore columns left in the area, Ock. They were all used on the courthouse! ;D
Point well taken, damn thing still looks like an 'explosion in a pillar factory.' In northern Indiana I saw many little bridges, overpasses, creeks etc. with totally decorative signatures on them, be cool if we could do the same.
Isn't it Tampa that has cast bas-relief scenes into their overpasses?
^ yes...and images from Tampa have been shown as possible examples here
Quote from: Ocklawaha on July 06, 2014, 01:29:41 PM
Point well taken, damn thing still looks like an 'explosion in a pillar factory.' In northern Indiana I saw many little bridges, overpasses, creeks etc. with totally decorative signatures on them, be cool if we could do the same.
Pictures Ock?
Just some random underpass enhancement images.
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(http://blogs.artvoice.com/avdaily/2012/12/17/canalside-how-to-turn-a-thruway-underpass-into-something-dynamic/#)
(http://contextsensitivesolutions.org/content/case_studies/i_4_reconstruction/resources/I4-Reconstruction?size=md&preview_p=1&popup_p=1)
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(http://www.cityofchicago.org/content/dam/city/depts/dca/Public%20Art/riverwalkgatewaylg.jpg)
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How awesome would this be as you enter into various In-Town neighborhoods? Consistent branding and accentuates that our in-town neighborhoods are all an essential part of the urban core. Frankly, I really like these.
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Wow, what great ideas! Just make sure you stop the overzealous Jax city enforcers from accosting the artists trying to make these areas beautiful!
Thanks for the pics.
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These beams are seen all across Indiana, they are not all load bearing and some lean in, some out, while others actually arch over. It is a very interesting break in the same old - same old. I do hope to have some photos shortly of a company that does 'bridge decor' all around the country, if/when they get back to me.
Quote from: Dog Walker on July 06, 2014, 10:49:41 AM
Quote from: spuwho on July 05, 2014, 10:05:06 PM
Quote from: tufsu1 on July 05, 2014, 09:38:20 PM
Here's more
http://members.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2014-07-05/story/bike-walkway-path-over-fuller-warren-bridge-other-projects-being-eyed
I would say a big fat "FACE!" to the FDOT guy who said it was illegal before getting context. LOL. Guess they sent him back to FDOT 201 and retake the class on FHA design codes.
Actually the guy behind that statement has resigned from FDOT to run for the Clay Baker County Commission. Good that the arrogant jerk is gone.
He beat the incumbent, getting 60% of the vote.
Baker Supervisor website (scroll down to County Commission District 4) http://enr.electionsfl.org/BAK/Summary/1077
His family has had a feed and farm supply store in Mcclenny for a couple of generations. They are well known and respected there. Name recognition goes a long way in a small town.
^ in big cities, states, and nations too