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Title: Jacksonville History: Setzer's & Pic N' Save Drugs
Post by: Metro Jacksonville on October 12, 2012, 03:00:39 AM
Jacksonville History: Setzer's & Pic N' Save Drugs

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Metro Jacksonville shares the history of the rise and fall of two major Jacksonville companies founded by Lithuanian immigrant and former Springfield resident, Benjamin Setzer: Setzer's Supermarkets and Pic N' Save Drugs.





Full Article
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2012-oct-jacksonville-history-setzers-pic-n-save-drugs-
Title: Re: Jacksonville History: Setzer's & Pic N' Save Drugs
Post by: billy on October 12, 2012, 06:23:19 AM
I believe the family still owns Liberty Street warehouse.
Title: Re: Jacksonville History: Setzer's & Pic N' Save Drugs
Post by: gedo3 on October 12, 2012, 07:50:54 AM
Such a shame!  Pic N' Save always had some really good buys (I still have a watch from there!), some very nice sales help--and the ones that had little restaurants in them often had some of the best desserts!  It would be interesting to have seen a Pic N' Save and a Walmart store in competition! 
Title: Re: Jacksonville History: Setzer's & Pic N' Save Drugs
Post by: thelakelander on October 12, 2012, 08:19:41 AM
I went through some of my MJ photo archives, in search of an image of the original Setzer's at 5th & Silver that was torn down around 2007/2008 for a condo project that was never built.  Couldn't find it but I did find a ton of images of isolated urban core buildings that have been demolished since 2003.  It's crazy and will deserve an article of its own.
Title: Re: Jacksonville History: Setzer's & Pic N' Save Drugs
Post by: fieldafm on October 12, 2012, 09:52:23 AM
You know you're a Jacksonville native when you give directions that end in '... Down near where the Pic N Save used to be'.  I do that a lot. 

Title: Re: Jacksonville History: Setzer's & Pic N' Save Drugs
Post by: finehoe on October 12, 2012, 09:52:49 AM
I didn't know that the Town & Country Pic N' Save was the first one.  Another great history article. 
Title: Re: Jacksonville History: Setzer's & Pic N' Save Drugs
Post by: duvaldude08 on October 12, 2012, 10:07:26 AM
Pic N Save!! Whoot! Whoot! Whoot!!   ;D
Title: Re: Jacksonville History: Setzer's & Pic N' Save Drugs
Post by: duvaldude08 on October 12, 2012, 10:08:38 AM
Quote from: fieldafm on October 12, 2012, 09:52:23 AM
You know you're a Jacksonville native when you give directions that end in '... Down near where the Pic N Save used to be'.  I do that a lot.

Me too!!
Title: Re: Jacksonville History: Setzer's & Pic N' Save Drugs
Post by: duvaldude08 on October 12, 2012, 10:26:44 AM
Spent so much time in Pic N Save as a child. 48th and main. I can remember going with 5.00 to buy my MC Hammer tapes (dont judge me)
Title: Re: Jacksonville History: Setzer's & Pic N' Save Drugs
Post by: Bike Jax on October 12, 2012, 10:28:48 AM
I worked for the Setzer's at the very Pic N' Save you have pictured above on Old Kings & Baymeadows in the late '70's. Despite being in high school and having a work permit to only work as minor one night a week till midnight. I worked 90 hours a week as a part time employee. I remember making jokes about when full time employees had time sleep. They where there when I got there and still there when I left. We referred to the place as Pic N' Slave.

Speaking of Slavery, I've never worked for a more openly racist company. It was openly known that black employees where only allowed to work in the cafeteria or as floor buffers. They where not ever allowed to be moved or promoted to stockers or check out. Even in the cafeteria, whites were the managers and ran the cash register.

Later after leaving Pic N' Save I took a summer job doing home construction. One of our projects that summer was to build and extension on a home at the beaches belonging to one of the Setzer's (I forget which one). One Friday as we were packing up for the weekend, one of the guys fell into the pool. He happened to be black. Hearing the noise and laughter from the crew Setzer came storming out and seeing what had happened and who had fallen into his pool, demanded that we stay, drain the pool and clean it. Seriously. I don't know the man who started business. But have I first hand knowledge that the later Setzer's were some most racist, bigoted people in this city. If we are going to remember history, lets remember it all, the good and the bad.
Title: Re: Jacksonville History: Setzer's & Pic N' Save Drugs
Post by: thelakelander on October 12, 2012, 10:41:25 AM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on October 12, 2012, 10:26:44 AM
Spent so much time in Pic N Save as a child. 48th and main. I can remember going with 5.00 to buy my MC Hammer tapes (dont judge me)

Don't tell me you have a long lost pair of Hammer pants in your closet?

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Title: Re: Jacksonville History: Setzer's & Pic N' Save Drugs
Post by: finehoe on October 12, 2012, 11:02:09 AM
Quote from: Bike Jax on October 12, 2012, 10:28:48 AM
Despite being in high school and having a work permit to only work as minor one night a week till midnight. I worked 90 hours a week as a part time employee.

That sounds like the kind of work environment that several MJ posters still support.
Title: Re: Jacksonville History: Setzer's & Pic N' Save Drugs
Post by: urbanlibertarian on October 12, 2012, 11:07:26 AM
It's interesting to me how the different phases of the history of this town are defined by commerce.  From minor seaport and river crossing of the King's Road to bigger seaport, ship builder and naval stores exporter to bigger seaport and tourist destination to ocean liner destination and railroad hub to banking and insurance center.

Also the racism BikeJax wrote about is not surprising to anyone who grew up around here.
Title: Re: Jacksonville History: Setzer's & Pic N' Save Drugs
Post by: duvaldude08 on October 12, 2012, 11:43:16 AM
Quote from: thelakelander on October 12, 2012, 10:41:25 AM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on October 12, 2012, 10:26:44 AM
Spent so much time in Pic N Save as a child. 48th and main. I can remember going with 5.00 to buy my MC Hammer tapes (dont judge me)

Don't tell me you have a long lost pair of Hammer pants in your closet?

(http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/06/MC_Hammer_Pants.jpg)

No. Actually, I bought a pair of those work out pants that resemble MC hammer pants thank you very much! And my last day of school in the 4th grade we cleared the desk, put on my tape and the entire class the the type writer! My 4th grade teacher was the coolest man! LOL
Title: Re: Jacksonville History: Setzer's & Pic N' Save Drugs
Post by: duvaldude08 on October 12, 2012, 12:25:12 PM
Quote from: Bike Jax on October 12, 2012, 10:28:48 AM
I worked for the Setzer's at the very Pic N' Save you have pictured above on Old Kings & Baymeadows in the late '70's. Despite being in high school and having a work permit to only work as minor one night a week till midnight. I worked 90 hours a week as a part time employee. I remember making jokes about when full time employees had time sleep. They where there when I got there and still there when I left. We referred to the place as Pic N' Slave.

Speaking of Slavery, I've never worked for a more openly racist company. It was openly known that black employees where only allowed to work in the cafeteria or as floor buffers. They where not ever allowed to be moved or promoted to stockers or check out. Even in the cafeteria, whites were the managers and ran the cash register.

Later after leaving Pic N' Save I took a summer job doing home construction. One of our projects that summer was to build and extension on a home at the beaches belonging to one of the Setzer's (I forget which one). One Friday as we were packing up for the weekend, one of the guys fell into the pool. He happened to be black. Hearing the noise and laughter from the crew Setzer came storming out and seeing what had happened and who had fallen into his pool, demanded that we stay, drain the pool and clean it. Seriously. I don't know the man who started business. But have I first hand knowledge that the later Setzer's were some most racist, bigoted people in this city. If we are going to remember history, lets remember it all, the good and the bad.

Very true statement about the rascism. I have a white friend who is quite older than me (lol) and she said she was a cashier at Pic N Save and said that she could not believe the rasicism that existed. Times have really changed.
Title: Re: Jacksonville History: Setzer's & Pic N' Save Drugs
Post by: Coolyfett on October 12, 2012, 01:16:46 PM
Quote from: fieldafm on October 12, 2012, 09:52:23 AM
You know you're a Jacksonville native when you give directions that end in '... Down near where the Pic N Save used to be'.  I do that a lot. 


ha ha that classic I used to do that all the time!! Moms used to go to the one on Blanding & the one on McDuff Ave...does anyone remember Premier Foods??? Back in day right there.
Title: Re: Jacksonville History: Setzer's & Pic N' Save Drugs
Post by: thelakelander on October 12, 2012, 02:43:17 PM
A few old Setzer's and Pic N' Save buildings still around.

517 South McDuff Avenue
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1950 San Marco Blvd
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919 King Street
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4128 Herschel Street
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Title: Re: Jacksonville History: Setzer's & Pic N' Save Drugs
Post by: Mike D on October 12, 2012, 09:28:43 PM
The Setzers in San Marco Square later became a Pic N' Save.  Seems like it was there well into the '90's, or at least the 1980's.  I always kind of liked Pic N' Save...you never knew what you were going to find and, as I recall, the food in their cafeteria/snack bars was pretty good.  However, I did not know about the racist tendencies of the place.  If that's the case, it's just as well their time has gone.
Title: Re: Jacksonville History: Setzer's & Pic N' Save Drugs
Post by: Bativac on October 14, 2012, 12:42:34 AM
Quote from: Mike D on October 12, 2012, 09:28:43 PM
The Setzers in San Marco Square later became a Pic N' Save.  Seems like it was there well into the '90's, or at least the 1980's.  I always kind of liked Pic N' Save...you never knew what you were going to find and, as I recall, the food in their cafeteria/snack bars was pretty good.

My dad worked there in the mid to late 70s. In later years, before Pic 'N' Save went away, dad would tell me horror stories about the terrible, disgusting conditions the food was kept in, and health inspectors being literally physically thrown out by Setzer. A shame the chain failed, in some regards, based on the neighborhoods they served... But all things considered, maybe it was time for them to die.
Title: Re: Jacksonville History: Setzer's & Pic N' Save Drugs
Post by: Coolyfett on October 14, 2012, 10:27:49 AM
Seems they got what was coming to them...Time always tells the story.
Title: Re: Jacksonville History: Setzer's & Pic N' Save Drugs
Post by: ben says on October 14, 2012, 10:33:03 AM
Does anyone have a 1980's/1990's picture of San Marco's Pic N' Save?
Title: Re: Jacksonville History: Setzer's & Pic N' Save Drugs
Post by: BackinJax05 on January 03, 2013, 01:14:49 AM
Whatever you want, Pic N Save has it! Pic N Save has it for less!

They've been gone for almost 20 years now, and I still cant get that damned jingle out of my head.
Title: Re: Jacksonville History: Setzer's & Pic N' Save Drugs
Post by: duvaldude08 on January 03, 2013, 01:50:11 AM
Quote from: BackinJax05 on January 03, 2013, 01:14:49 AM
Whatever you want, Pic N Save has it! Pic N Save has it for less!

They've been gone for almost 20 years now, and I still cant get that damned jingle out of my head.

Wasnt there another saying Pic N save, have it your way" Or something like that?
Title: Re: Jacksonville History: Setzer's & Pic N' Save Drugs
Post by: blfair on January 03, 2013, 01:20:17 PM
My dad worked there for over 20 years, all the way to the bitter end. He may have been one of the last employees actually, as he helped shut down the distribution center.

When I was a kid that was basically the only place we shopped other than the grocery store. We didn't even speak the name "Wal-Mart". I remember when they had Richard Petty in the stores for an autograph session and my brother and I had VIP access...  ;D

My favorite ex-Pic 'N Save location is the Sandalwood store. It's now Subaru of Jacksonville. If you look carefully in their parking lot you can see where they tore down part of the old store and just left the slab behind, and turned part of the structure into an overhang out front. There are spots in the parking lot where there used to be columns that they cut out.
Title: Re: Jacksonville History: Setzer's & Pic N' Save Drugs
Post by: Ocklawaha on January 03, 2013, 02:30:58 PM
I think there was a Setzers at Kingsley and Park in 'downtown' Orange Park back when that was the intersection of a 2 lane federal highway and a divided 2 lane Kingsley with a yellow flashing like over the center! Pic-N-Save also had stores over at 103Rd and Blanding. The Pic-N-Save flagship stores tended to be in newer locations such as the really large (about the average Wal-Mart size) stores on SR 434 in Longwood, FL. I bought a nice little microwave oven at that Longwood Store back in the 1980's and then, overnight it seemed, they were gone.
Title: Re: Jacksonville History: Setzer's & Pic N' Save Drugs
Post by: Jaxson on January 03, 2013, 08:05:58 PM
I remember going to Pic N' Save to buy notebook paper for a bargain and to buy other affordable school supplies.  I also remember going with my family to the Pic N' Save buffet on San Jose Boulevard back in the day.  I also remember my junior high school classmates teasing our peers about shopping at Pic N' Save even though we all knew that somebody was going there on a regular basis.  I think that the undoing of Pic N' Save was not just Wal-Mart, but the failure of the Setzer family to overcome their own internal challenges...
Title: Re: Jacksonville History: Setzer's & Pic N' Save Drugs
Post by: BackinJax05 on January 04, 2013, 12:01:14 AM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on January 03, 2013, 01:50:11 AM
Quote from: BackinJax05 on January 03, 2013, 01:14:49 AM
Whatever you want, Pic N Save has it! Pic N Save has it for less!

They've been gone for almost 20 years now, and I still cant get that damned jingle out of my head.

Wasnt there another saying Pic N save, have it your way" Or something like that?

I dont think so. "Have it your way" was Burger King's tagline for many years.

Hold the pickle, hold the lettuce.
Special orders dont upset us.
All we ask is that you let us HAVE IT YOUR WAY. (or something like that)

Yeah, I watched alot of TV when I was a kid.
Title: Re: Jacksonville History: Setzer's & Pic N' Save Drugs
Post by: BackinJax05 on January 04, 2013, 12:07:06 AM
Quote from: Jaxson on January 03, 2013, 08:05:58 PM
I remember going to Pic N' Save to buy notebook paper for a bargain and to buy other affordable school supplies.  I also remember going with my family to the Pic N' Save buffet on San Jose Boulevard back in the day.  I also remember my junior high school classmates teasing our peers about shopping at Pic N' Save even though we all knew that somebody was going there on a regular basis.  I think that the undoing of Pic N' Save was not just Wal-Mart, but the failure of the Setzer family to overcome their own internal challenges...

Oh God! You brought back a terrible flashback: For several years, the evening of the 1st day of school meant a pilgimage to the Town N Country Pic N Save (both of them) for school supplies for the year. The 1st one was a small store. The 2nd one was HUGE, and had a restaurant. 

There was also a Pic N Save on Lone Star Road, about a block east of Townsend Blvd. It was a big store with a restaurant, too. As I recall, Pic N Save restaurants weren't bad - but hardly 5 star dining.
Title: Re: Jacksonville History: Setzer's & Pic N' Save Drugs
Post by: cindy394 on February 27, 2013, 11:56:42 AM
It is ironic that the perception among immigrants to the black community is so racist- especially since many stores and businesses profited in those neighborhoods that blacks primarily lived and to which most immigrant families lived themselves until they could afford to leave. The jewish and the middle eastern communities were also (still?) excessively racist in my experience. The writer's story about a Setzer family member demanding a pool be drained and washed out ( if true) is an example of this extremist and appalling view. I have heard many members of Jacksonville's middle eastern family members use the word abd or abid to describe blacks, which actually means "slave". Perhaps they are trying to distance themselves from the perceived caste in our society of the poorer classes of which they themselves were not so long ago.
Title: Re: Jacksonville History: Setzer's & Pic N' Save Drugs
Post by: duvaldude08 on February 27, 2013, 12:45:37 PM
Quote from: Jaxson on January 03, 2013, 08:05:58 PM
I remember going to Pic N' Save to buy notebook paper for a bargain and to buy other affordable school supplies.  I also remember going with my family to the Pic N' Save buffet on San Jose Boulevard back in the day.  I also remember my junior high school classmates teasing our peers about shopping at Pic N' Save even though we all knew that somebody was going there on a regular basis.  I think that the undoing of Pic N' Save was not just Wal-Mart, but the failure of the Setzer family to overcome their own internal challenges...

You must never EVER buy clothes from pic n save or you are asking to get bullied  ;D
Title: Re: Jacksonville History: Setzer's & Pic N' Save Drugs
Post by: Jax native on December 15, 2014, 11:58:59 AM
I'm very late on this story, having just read it this morning.  I worked for National Merchandise 1983- 88, as Risk Manager.  The company had completed a phase of becoming self insured as many corporations.  I was hired to develop, implement & evaluate all programs in self insurance in 46 stores.  Worked as liaison w/ Selber & Selber (another name not heard).  Traveled to all stores each month and knew all managers, and many employees.  The Setzer family ( and a Jawitz, who married a Setzer) were in all the corporate positions. The families were very involved in everything. The owners children were all bag boys or girls growing up.  Everyone in the family worked at Pic N Save but started at beginning jobs.   Very frugal management, where the corporate offices were at the Springfield location beside the warehouse.  Our offices were old, not many windows and the saying was always 'we do not make money inside our offices"...meaning they weren't going to put money into anything that wasn't returning a profit.   Opening the North side warehouse was big.  The racism was not at all what you all have heard.  The black man in pool story is a myth(lie) from long ago, that if Snopes was around then, it would be a story proved false each year.  In fact, the Setzers were all so quiet and unassuming, I don't think I ever saw the owner laugh, at any thing. 

Large number of employees were there for years, and remain committed to Pic n Save, as the Setzers treated loyal employees well.  The pay was comparable to others in retail, but not generous.  So many fondly memories from working there, but the best from my perspective, was the big decision to remove "Health Aids" from the large area where they placed signs to locate directions to products. The family (mostly all male) had so many serious meetings about how to change it and to what.  AIDS were becoming a serious health problem, while President Reagan ignored the problem, the Setzer family was very concerned about leaving the signs up.   Changes were made within about 6 months....Way before the  president would talk about it. 

I was very attuned to racism at the time, because this was when Americans finally became aware of Apartheid in South Africa, and my favorite song was "Ain't Going To Play Sun City".   I did not see overt racism, and many black employees were in some positions but white males were usually Managers, Assistant Managers, as was American in the 80's. 

Not being Jewish or in the family, I knew I would not go any higher in my position, so eventually left for another position.  One perk of my job, and many others was free gas.  They had a gas station and repair shop across the street, where I could take my car if any thing was wrong.  I'd go by each friday afternoon and fill up.  Lots of fun memories from working there, especially to working conditions & ways in 2014. 

As said above, So many people would tell directions from how far a place was from the nearest Pic N Save.  The stores all had numbers, so I only remember each store by the number.  Town & Country was #24, Old Kings Rd. was #36 and San Marco was #15.  It took so long for me to refer to Pic N Save other than " you need to go to #36 and a few blocks from there is Burger King. 


 
Title: Re: Jacksonville History: Setzer's & Pic N' Save Drugs
Post by: tom1964 on August 14, 2015, 09:01:03 PM
I worked for the Pic N Slave in Gainesville at 6111 NW 8th ave.  I remember many days when my schedule would call for "9am to 3pm" ,  and would be told at 2:45,  that 'the owner is coming tomorrow,  you have to stay.  "

There was one week where I had 104.5 hours,  and I remember one day in that week I worked 30 hours straight.  Actually after about 16 hours I was so tired,  I was just a body wandering around.  I was going to do things and

forgetting in the middle of them what I was doing.  There was another employee that was working in the hardware department that worked 38 straight hours and told me he was seeing double and triple.  Glad I didn't operate

any powered equipment in the latter half of that day.  There was no real efficiency attempted in much of their operations,  which would have made a considerable difference in the operations and customer experience. 
Title: Re: Jacksonville History: Setzer's & Pic N' Save Drugs
Post by: The_Choose_1 on August 15, 2015, 03:49:14 PM
Quote from: tom1964 on August 14, 2015, 09:01:03 PM
I worked for the Pic N Slave in Gainesville at 6111 NW 8th ave.  I remember many days when my schedule would call for "9am to 3pm" ,  and would be told at 2:45,  that 'the owner is coming tomorrow,  you have to stay.  "

There was one week where I had 104.5 hours,  and I remember one day in that week I worked 30 hours straight.  Actually after about 16 hours I was so tired,  I was just a body wandering around.  I was going to do things and

forgetting in the middle of them what I was doing.  There was another employee that was working in the hardware department that worked 38 straight hours and told me he was seeing double and triple.  Glad I didn't operate

any powered equipment in the latter half of that day.  There was no real efficiency attempted in much of their operations,  which would have made a considerable difference in the operations and customer experience.
Question were you paid for your Overtime hours?
Title: Re: Jacksonville History: Setzer's & Pic N' Save Drugs
Post by: Scarlettjax on August 16, 2015, 11:10:53 PM
Wow, so many of us with Pic N Save connections.  I was "the" display person (mannequin dresser) in the early 1980's.  My supervisor was the sign painter, Frank Clarke.  Besides doing the best I could with the limited fashion consciousness of Pic N Save buyers, I also worked in the Liberty Street warehouses, where Frank would tell me to get the hell out of there whenever any of the Setzers came through.  I still don't know why.

My work was relatively autonomous; I'd fill up the tank of my personal vehicle off Liberty and head out to Madison, Live Oak, the GA locations and all around NE FL and just tell Frank where I was heading that day.  I quit when I got a better job with the schools at the time, and saw Frank one last time at the old Duval County Jail when I was working there and he was bonding out an employee.  That was in the late 1980's and he told me he was suprised to see me in jail, in uniform at least!  Still, I thought he was quite the boss to bail out one of his workers. 
Title: Re: Jacksonville History: Setzer's & Pic N' Save Drugs
Post by: Gunnar on August 17, 2015, 09:01:37 AM
My American Dad was working for Pic 'N Save when I was over here as an Exchange student. If I remember correctly, he was responsible for the clothing and sporting goods departments in the North Florida / South Georgia Region. That was in 1990 / 91 (he had already had this position before I came, not sure when exactly he started).

Title: Re: Jacksonville History: Setzer's & Pic N' Save Drugs
Post by: ErikSetzer on August 18, 2015, 12:22:59 PM
My mom used to work for Pic'N'Save...  First at the store on 7th St., then at the Town & Country location when we moved across the river.  Strangely, no matter how close we got to it, she never worked at the one on Atlantic near SJB, but I remember going there often as it was within walking distance of our house.  Got just about everything at that store.  Yeah, kids might pick, but eh, when your family doesn't have much money, what can you do?

It was kind of odd having the same last name as the owners, but no relation.

I remember the locations all over the place... strange to remember it so well when I think of all the things I don't remember so well.  I think there was one on Lone Star?  There was a shopping center there close to where I played games with my dad and brother (a small game store called Bugler's Cry, didn't last long, though).  I don't remember *that* well, mind you, so I can't remember how good the quality or anything was, but I remember some of the store layouts, the sales (Midnight Madness, IIRC, and they'd have the Green Room open late), the way they used these divider walls or something like that to make the front "office" at Town & Country.

I feel kind of old now.
Title: Re: Jacksonville History: Setzer's & Pic N' Save Drugs
Post by: JBTripper on August 18, 2015, 03:45:03 PM
I've only been in Jacksonville for five years, so I don't know Pic n Save from nothing, but reading about the reputation of the company sure explains my work environment for four+ years at Fanatics... Dreary, boring, and CHEAP! Founder and (former) CEO Alan Trager was the CFO for Pic n Save before he and his brother opened up Football Fanatics in the Avenues Mall in 1995. I always wondered how the culture at a sports company could be that way, but it was baked into the founder at Pic n Save.
Title: Re: Jacksonville History: Setzer's & Pic N' Save Drugs
Post by: sigspd on September 07, 2015, 10:05:49 AM
I remember going to the Pic n Save on Baymeadows and Old Kings when I was a kid in the 80s. It has been a while. The family didn't do a great job of moving into the future, and not fighting between themselves. It would have been interesting if they moved forward and I got to see a competition between Walmart, Kmart, and Pic N' Save.

My father used to sell news papers outside of the San Marco grocery store, then bagged groceries. It was a great grocery store when he talks about it.

As far as the Racist thoughts, back in the 60s and 70s a lot of people were overtly racist. I believe Jacksonville still had separate water fountains downtown until the late 70s. I am sure there are some in that generation that still are even though thoughts and feelings for a majority of the population has progressed. It is interesting to see the race history here in Jacksonville.
Title: Re: Jacksonville History: Setzer's & Pic N' Save Drugs
Post by: Treadwell on June 04, 2016, 06:43:44 PM
(forgive the necro reply)

Quote from: finehoe on October 12, 2012, 09:52:49 AM
I didn't know that the Town & Country Pic N' Save was the first one.  Another great history article.

To add to this, it was in the middle of the long north-to-south strip of the shopping center, just one small storefront out of many. Prior to one Halloween in the 70s, when I would be costuming as a devil, I pitched a fit over my parents' refusal to buy a plastic pitchfork at that store, and to shut me up they finally relented and spent the $1.75 or so. I usually didn't win such battles! (From an adult point of view, for all I know money was really tight that week and I wasn't helping.)

I don't remember the year the larger store was built at the north end of the lot, but it was in place by the early 80s. Interesting that, even though it was a replacement for the first store, that it was numbered as a new one, #24, as reported upthread.

As for jingles/mottos, I seem to remember "Shop and save at Pic-N-Save". Does that ring a bell for anyone?

Title: Re: Jacksonville History: Setzer's & Pic N' Save Drugs
Post by: tom1964 on February 24, 2017, 06:51:33 PM
Quote from: The_Choose_1 on August 15, 2015, 03:49:14 PM
Quote from: tom1964 on August 14, 2015, 09:01:03 PM
I worked for the Pic N Slave in Gainesville at 6111 NW 8th ave.  I remember many days when my schedule would call for "9am to 3pm" ,  and would be told at 2:45,  that 'the owner is coming tomorrow,  you have to stay.  "

There was one week where I had 104.5 hours,  and I remember one day in that week I worked 30 hours straight.  Actually after about 16 hours I was so tired,  I was just a body wandering around.  I was going to do things and

forgetting in the middle of them what I was doing.  There was another employee that was working in the hardware department that worked 38 straight hours and told me he was seeing double and triple.  Glad I didn't operate

any powered equipment in the latter half of that day.  There was no real efficiency attempted in much of their operations,  which would have made a considerable difference in the operations and customer experience.
Question were you paid for your Overtime hours?

Yes,  I was paid for my overtime hours,  I remember the amount of hours off my check,  don't remember the gross/net amount,  since it was 32 years ago.  It was the biggest check I ever got from there,  too bad they didn't pay decently,  I might have stayed. 
I did not get a raise in the last year and a half I worked there.  I was only making $4.85 when I left in '87,  which was one of the reasons i left.  They rarely let us work at nighttime,  which would have been so much better. 
I worked overnight one night before I left to go on vacation and put out 350 cases of stock,  which I would have been lucky to do in a week. 
We used to joke that they took the semi trailers and dropped the trailer on the ground and shoved stuff in to load it.  It would normally take 3 or 4 guys 6 hours to unload it because we had to unstack stuff off the top of full pallets,  and separate it for the different departments. 

I asked one time why the didn't invest in scanners,  and the answer was 'we have 100,000 items in this store and a scanner system would cost us $100,000.'

Big deal,  the efficiency,  and customer service improvements would have paid for themselves easily. 
I guess it was better to depend on the cashiers to remember every sale item ?

Our ordering was done in paper order books,  and hand typed into a teletype machine to be recorded onto a tape casette and played to the mainframe computer in the warehouse.  We frequently would order stuff and get 'zeroed'  because they had nothing to send us. 
There was no communication as to what was on hand,  and we ordered blind,  until one day when I called the buyer at the warehouse and had a nice talk with him to find out what he had,  and why we were getting shorted,  and what alternative items he had on hand.

Thank you Jack Dorman.  I don't remember his secretary's name,  but she was a big help too. 

So in retrospect,  I did get paid for my hours,  but considering the length of time I worked there,  and the hours and bs I put up with,  I should have gotten a lot more.   I subsequently worked for Publix,   and started out making more than I did when I left Pic N' Save,  I was treated better,  and the longest day I worked was 10 hours,  not 27. 
Title: Re: Jacksonville History: Setzer's & Pic N' Save Drugs
Post by: Bativac on February 24, 2017, 07:09:44 PM
Quote from: Scarlettjax on August 16, 2015, 11:10:53 PM
Wow, so many of us with Pic N Save connections.  I was "the" display person (mannequin dresser) in the early 1980's.  My supervisor was the sign painter, Frank Clarke.  Besides doing the best I could with the limited fashion consciousness of Pic N Save buyers, I also worked in the Liberty Street warehouses, where Frank would tell me to get the hell out of there whenever any of the Setzers came through.  I still don't know why.

My work was relatively autonomous; I'd fill up the tank of my personal vehicle off Liberty and head out to Madison, Live Oak, the GA locations and all around NE FL and just tell Frank where I was heading that day.  I quit when I got a better job with the schools at the time, and saw Frank one last time at the old Duval County Jail when I was working there and he was bonding out an employee.  That was in the late 1980's and he told me he was suprised to see me in jail, in uniform at least!  Still, I thought he was quite the boss to bail out one of his workers.

My dad worked for him in the late 70s! Dad was a sign painter way back when at National Merchandise. He still tells horror stories about working for Frank Clarke!
Title: Re: Jacksonville History: Setzer's & Pic N' Save Drugs
Post by: Scarlettjax on February 24, 2017, 07:52:56 PM
Frank was a real trip.  Just like was said about National Merchandising and their reluctance to invest in scanners, they employed hand-painted signs for all their stores up to the end I believe.  Talk about a lost art! 
Title: Re: Jacksonville History: Setzer's & Pic N' Save Drugs
Post by: Scarlettjax on February 24, 2017, 08:00:50 PM
His obituary - you may want to share this with your dad, Baltivac.

CLARKE - Frank Cecil Clarke, 79, died Monday, January 11, 1999. Mr. Clarke was born in Birmingham, Alabama and had lived in Jacksonville for many years. He retired from the National Merchandise Company as a supervisor in the sign shop after 26 years of service. He was predeceased by his wife, Betty Dukes Clarke and a son Dane R. Clarke and is survived by a daughter; Denise Clarke (Timmy) Mills: son; David M. Clarke; daughter-in-law; Mary Katherine Owens Clarke: sister-in-law; Mrs. Daniel Clarke: a brother; James Clarke: and 3 grandchildren; David Clarke, Jr., Timothy W. Mills, III and Dana K. Clarke. Graveside funeral services will be held 2:00 pm Friday in Evergreen Cemetery, gate #6, with Rev. F. Ray Turner officiating. COREY-KERLIN FUNERAL HOME, 1426 Rowe Ave. in charge of arrangements.
Title: Re: Jacksonville History: Setzer's & Pic N' Save Drugs
Post by: Bativac on February 26, 2017, 03:52:02 AM
Thanks for that, Scarlettjax. My dad has told me (several times) about how one day he finally told Mister Clarke where to stick his ornery ways and Clarke came back, almost apologetic... and they got along quite well after that. Tough but fair I guess!

Sign painting is indeed a lost art. Dad can still letter a wall and you'll swear it was printed!
Title: Re: Jacksonville History: Setzer's & Pic N' Save Drugs
Post by: Megabox on March 06, 2017, 10:49:01 AM
Most people in the United States when they think of Pic N Save, think of the closeout store chain in the United States which has no connection to the Pic N Save chain in Jacksonville. There was a large closeout store chain called Pic N Save in the United States, it got bought out by Big Lots. There is also or was also a supermarket chain in Wisconsin called "Pick N Save".
Title: Re: Jacksonville History: Setzer's & Pic N' Save Drugs
Post by: dghtaylor on May 03, 2017, 12:37:20 AM
I remember working briefly at the McDuff Ave. location. It was the one and only time I've ever had to take a lie detector test!
Title: Re: Jacksonville History: Setzer's & Pic N' Save Drugs
Post by: tom1964 on June 23, 2018, 12:10:04 AM
I remember the lie detector tests,. Is today Monday, is this the month of March, are we in Florida ?  Have you ever taken anything out with the trash ?
Do you know anyone stealing ?
Have you ever eaten any merchandise unpaid for
Have you ever stolen any money from the company
Have you told the truth on this test ?

I took one at hire, one after 6 months, one a month after that
and then 1 a year. 
A thumbtack in my shoe worked great on the control questions.