Just starting. My 13 year old says Romney looks smug.
Mitt opens with his 5 point plan, which includes broad goals like "fix everything", but still no specifics.
Jim Lehrer asks Obama about "trickle down" Economics, Obama answers a completely different question.
Mitt seems to not comprehend that "tax cut" and "tax relief" are the same thing, and that either will add to the deficit.
Mitt: "I will not raise taxes on middle income families"
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but does most small business create good paying jobs?
sorry. Didn't mean to interupt
Obama: "Romney has been running on his tax plan for 18 months, and now suddenly 5 weeks before the election his bold new idea is 'never mind".
Awww snap.
Romney struggling with tortured explanations of how small businesses pay the individual rate, so his tax cut for high incomes is really a break for businesses. Oh, and it won't add to the deficit because his magic Mormon underwear says it won't.
Mitt : I'll cut all programs based on a simple test - is it worth borrowing from China to fund it?
On the chopping block: health care reform, PBS, etc. But Military Spending increases substantially.
Priorities.
Obama - "the oil industry gets 4 billion in corporate welfare- why wouldn't we want to look at that?"
Discussion of Medicare and Social Security. Mitt looks uncomfortable.
Mitt has awesome plans, he mentions them all the time. I wish he had a plan to tell us the specifics of his plans.
Mitt desperately trying to not answer the question of whether he likes a voucher based replacement to Medicare. Parsing all over the place.
Mitt a firm believer in privatization and the power of the free market to provide excellent service at lower cost. Y'know, because it's worked so good for healthcare in general.
Obama- "Does anyone believe that too much regulation and oversight was the problem on Wall Street.."
Nothing like a one man blog to bring clarity :)
I agree- jump in here..
I'm fascinated by the "real time opinion tracker" on CNN's coverage, and the difference between men and women's "hot button issues"..
I can't figure out why Romney wants to be President if one believes as he does that all power and responsibility lies with individual states.
amen
Mitt looks ill; strained smile and a sweaty upper lip.
Mitt was one long negative political ad.
Leher was run over like that Terry Tate dude.
Romney. Looked better in that debate, but I don't think it will matter. Obama has too big of a lead in the swing states
This is what I got from Romney. Privatize everything and leave most decisions, except Military spending, up to each state. The United States of America? Oh and cut all funds to PBS.
Surprised Obama didn't bring up the 47%
Liveblog or negative opinion of Mitt blog, LoL.
Anyway, neither my Twitter nor my Facebook newsfeeds have anything positive to say about Obama right now. Lots of disappointment, myself included. I thought Obama was going to cry a couple times, honestly. I also buy into some of Romney's ideas, so if Obama doesn't energize his Democrat/liberal base and fast (and Romney/Paul refrains from social issues), I might switch over.
Quote from: avonjax on October 03, 2012, 10:47:23 PM
Oh and cut all funds to PBS.
Hey, that 0.012% of the budget will make all the difference.
So Pinky, I'm guessing you're a Romney/ Ryan kind of guy.
The only thing I know for sure is that Mitt lost the yellow bird vote tonight....
Quote from: blizz01 on October 03, 2012, 11:17:31 PM
The only thing I know for sure is that Mitt lost the yellow bird vote tonight....
no doubt
Sorry everyone. I should have come here to share a link to democracynow.org
They hosted the 'other' candidates in a format which essentially 'paused' the debates between the Wall Street candidates and allowed Jill Stein (Green Party) and Rocky Anderson (Justice party) to participate.
(Gary Johnson {Libertarian Party} was invited as well, but was 'unable' to attend)
Rocky was polished, more so than Jill, but she rocked my world. I love Jill Stein.
QuoteHere's my FB attempt at live blogging. Glaring misspellings, grammatical errors, and displays of ignorance included
How'd I do?
OMGeesus H Crisco! The pregame show is fooking excruciating.
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The link above is hosting a debate where the Wall Street candidates square off, then there will be a pause while Jill Stein (Green Party) and Rocky Anderson (Justice Party) are allowed to respond. Gary Johnson was invited, but is 'unable to attend'. (Sadly)
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Clearly this will be longer than the MSM 'debate, but I relish the opportunity to see Jill Stein respond to Barry and Mittens... If only it were going to be direct.
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President Obama seems quite nervous.
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I want to bitchslap Mittens. Does that make me evil?
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Mitt's gonna make the US Energy Independent!!!! YIPEE!!!
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Is this thing on?
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Jill Stein... I would wax that ass... Oopsie... I digress
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C'mon, Jill.. don't be nervous. We don't care what they are gonna do...uh oh... she's talking about what she would do... (Platitudally)
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Rocky is polished.
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Rocky's take + Obama Bad.... It's convincing but "Im not Obama" is Romney's campaign slogan. Uh oh... repeal Nafta et al... now he's talinking..
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O says reform education. (platitude) uh oh... hire teachers... a million did he just say?
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Close loopholes for offshoring...
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Drill baby drill + green energy.
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Those are Your tax cuts now, Mr President... You signed the extension
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ROmney with a decent rebuttal... not believeable but tactically sound. regulation mantra.... training... taxation... Lower taxes... blah blah blahhhhh.. energy: Romney, so far is pwning Obama.
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No mention of Monetary policy or the role of the FRB... Shocker!
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Someone really needs to explain to these guys that correlation is not necessarily causation.
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Romney namedrops Bolles~Simpson.
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Obama just took credit (by clinton proxy) for the tech bubble and blamed GWB for the housing bubble. Fed actions. Deliberate actions as well. Unntended consequences, but manufactured bubbles nevertheless
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Jill Stein... Why I oughtta... n/m... smart lady. Calmed down and truly taking a substantive stand for the non wealthy. She sounds like a radical who believes people should be able to make enough to eat. Crazy.☼
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Wars for oil? Is she a muslim?
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Rocky just flashed his little Keynes. He's gonna need to cover that thing up.
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Rocky is losing me.
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Romney with the "grow the economy to pay off the defict" mantra... He's jumping the GWB shark. Uh oh... here's something.... Obama = Bad... theres a weak effort.
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O--- Bush did it. Wars... Financial collapse.... No child left with his/her behind... waste/fraud/unlcedaddys///
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Deficit Reduction Plan???? It's on the website?
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Youignored Bolles Simpson, Mr Obama.
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Where the fuck is Ron Paul?
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AAAannnd rocky anderson has lost me with stats manipulation.
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Welp... he just piqued my interst again by suggestion the "rich war cheerleaders should pay for these wars as they happen" Mild imo
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Why am I typing this???? Blog practicing? Am I insane?
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Does anyone else think Jill Stein is hot? sorry ... sexist. She is spot on, though. Wall street bailouts!!!! HELLLO!!!!!
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Bail out student loans? Wouldn't it just be cheaper to fund higher education? Even a retard like me might have gone to college.
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Screw the student loans.
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Romney is a fooking liar. He suggested Prez should have grabbed Bolles Simpson... but said he did not support it... he has "his own plan"?
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Obama is a tax raiser? Romney is a duche how the hell do you spell duscheue?
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You get more revenue by killing babies
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Spaniards are frikkin awesome, Mr Romney
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4 billion? Oil tax subsidies? Why didn't you say BP mr prsident?
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At least he is looking more composed now.
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ObamneyCare debate... smoke em if you got em... this is a good time to make a sandwich
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YAAAAAAWWWWWWNNNNN
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PIGPACT
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Private Insurers Guaranteed Profits ACT.
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We need the health insurance and health care sectors milking a larger share of GDP. What a fooking bunch of nonsense.
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Watch out for that drone, Mr Lehrer!
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Romney has no leg to stand upon regarding ObamaCare
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Newsflash: Medical rationing is not only coming, it's been here for years. (HMO PPO Medicare parts A/B/C)
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Obama just bitchslapped Romney with his own words
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I'm not sure this is very theraputic for me. I'm gonna need some medication
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Obama said romneys replace" is not specific. Romney should counter: we need to pass the bill so we can find out what's in it... That would be NICE!!!
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okiedokie. I hate them both.
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But I'd like for either or both to take me to dinner!
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100,000 teachers... not a million. I remember some great teachers.... and some real duds.
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Losing altitude...
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I don't feel any more informed for having watched this. Has anyone read a single word of the drivel I typed?
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Loans for students are criminal. You are both fucking twits
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Fund education, end wars of aggression. Vote for buckethead.
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Romney with a zinger. It was funny. Funny doesn't serve Romney
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What about HFTs? Hedgies? WTF? Dodd Frank my asnipple
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Assnipple. sorry for the misspell.
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Jill stein is hammering Obama for dodd frank.. HOLY SHIT SHES TALKING ABOUT CLINTON AND RUBIN?SUMMERS GLASS STEAGALL> GOOD GOD I"M VOTING FOR JILL STEIN!!!!!!
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Public banks... SHe is a badass. Public control of monetary policy. You can't sway me, Rocky.... Well... talking CDS/AIG, higher capiytal requirements... all good, but Jill just did the same, and named frikkin names. She slayed. She took no prisoners. Jill wins
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Jill is ripping PIGPACT... errrr ACA... she says it's neither affordable nor caring. Her home state is MA incidentally. Okay... I love this candidate.
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Romney just used Tip O'Neal and Reagan as examples of political coopereation? THE LARGEST EXPANSION OF GOVERNMENT AND PUBLIC DEBT E.V.E.R.
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My apologies to Ms STein for my earlier sexist remarks. Not that she's not hot, but perhaps it was inappropriate. Sorry about that.
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Jill just cited Finland as the model to follow for education after she called "race to the top" a privatization scam. She is sharp.
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Quote from: buckethead on October 03, 2012, 11:43:42 PM
I love Jill Stein.
I like her too: http://www.jillstein.org/issues
I'm a bit baffled watching the CNN recap of the debate this morning; they're calling it a stunning victory for Mitt Romney?? Hello?!? I mean, I know that I'm a bit biased, but I don't know how anybody could call last night's performance a victory for Mitt. He seemed awkward and stiff, had to wipe his sweaty upper lip repeatedly, bullied Jim Lehrer over and over. He still hasn't offered any specifics on his multitude of "Plans", and was allowed by Obama to state absurdities like how his 20% across the board tax cuts "won't affect the deficit"..
I must have watched a different debate than the Pundits did. I saw it as even at best, and only because Obama didn't hammer Romney on his bullshit.
even liberal pundits are saying that Mitt looked more polished and that the President looked like he was playing "not to lose". Probably your bias as I don't think I've seen a one-sided debate since the second one between Clinton and Bush.
Obama can be a great debater as we saw in '08, I imagine that we will see him be much more aggressive in two weeks.
QuoteObama looked tired and one got the feeling that whatever was going on in the secret world of being president, that his mind was partially elsewhere last night-
Exactly what I thought too. That's why I spent the first 30 minutes of the debate under my dining room table awaiting the nuclear attack that Obama had just been told about.
Quote from: Bridges on October 04, 2012, 10:10:11 AM
QuoteObama looked tired and one got the feeling that whatever was going on in the secret world of being president, that his mind was partially elsewhere last night-
Exactly what I thought too. That's why I spent the first 30 minutes of the debate under my dining room table awaiting the nuclear attack that Obama had just been told about.
Turkey and Syria. Turkey responds to a Syrian attack that killed civilians by bombing Syria hours before the debate. NATO is holding emergency meetings. The specter of real regional war looms. The President doesn't exist in a bubble - I'd be a little distracted as well.
Quote from: finehoe on October 04, 2012, 10:14:03 AM
Turkey and Syria. Turkey responds to a Syrian attack that killed civilians by bombing Syria hours before the debate. NATO is holding emergency meetings. The specter of real regional war looms. The President doesn't exist in a bubble - I'd be a little distracted as well.
Of course. But the President is required to multi-task with a multitude of large problems and small problems. And he/she must be able to adjust to the moment at hand. McCain took a lot of flack for suspending his campaign in 2008 because of that.
Quote from: Bridges on October 04, 2012, 10:43:13 AM
Of course. But the President is required to multi-task with a multitude of large problems and small problems. And he/she must be able to adjust to the moment at hand. McCain took a lot of flack for suspending his campaign in 2008 because of that.
He showed up and debated didn't he? What's your point?
Quote from: finehoe on October 04, 2012, 11:36:42 AM
Quote from: Bridges on October 04, 2012, 10:43:13 AM
Of course. But the President is required to multi-task with a multitude of large problems and small problems. And he/she must be able to adjust to the moment at hand. McCain took a lot of flack for suspending his campaign in 2008 because of that.
He showed up and debated didn't he? What's your point?
My point was that he looked distracted and unprepared.
Unless this changes the polls in the nine swing states then it doesn't matter.
Interesting take on the debate from the right:
QuoteOver and over again, Mitt Romney would attack the President on general principles, then the President would say, in so many words, “well, the implications of that view are†and start listing policy implications, and Romney would retort: no, I don’t believe any of that, in fact that stuff you say I oppose is stuff I agree with, and that stuff you say I support is stuff I absolutely will not do.
On the budget, Romney praised Bowles-Simpson, which called for a substantial net increase in revenue, suggesting his own plan was a variation on that theme, and denied he would cut spending in any specific area that Obama highlighted as a possibility that he might cut â€" the only spending he talked about was spending he promised to increase: increases on defense, restoring cuts to Medicare, etc.
On health care, he repeatedly talked up his reform in Massachusetts, and when asked how it was distinguished from Obamacare, said it was a state-level plan that was enacted on a bi-partisan basis â€" an entirely process-related answer. Any time Obama talked about anything popular in Obamacare â€" like the way it handles pre-existing conditions â€" Romney said, effectively: don’t worry, I’ve got that covered in my plan as well.
On Wall Street regulation, Romney was at pains to reassure that he believed in regulation, and that there were plenty of sensible things in Dodd-Frank, and the one line that he called out as being a problem was the “too big to fail†designation (without explaining what that was, or how it was related to the regulation as a whole, or how he’d deal with the actual problem of too-big-to-fail).
On education, Romney was eager to say that Secretary Duncan had good ideas that he agreed with and would build on, and that he would not roll back the Federal role (but would use Federal leverage to promote school choice).
Even on taxes, the clearest point of contrast, Romney denied he intended to reduce the tax burden on the wealthy, denied he would increase taxes on the middle class, and denied he would increase the deficit. His tax cut was reduced to a “goal†of reducing rates and broadening the base, which would come out of a process that would involve both parties.
And on it went in that vein.
The President was plainly frustrated by this approach, and his frustration showed. If, as they say, you watched it without sound â€" or, even better, if you didn’t speak English, so you could hear the sound but couldn’t understand the words â€" I have to believe Romney won by a mile.
But if you didn’t watch the debate, and read the transcript, what you’d see is the following. When Romney attacked, Obama generally had a policy response â€" some more persuasive than others, but the response was generally policy-related. When Obama attacked, Romney would generally deny that he took the position that was being attacked.
Romney’s palpable zest for the debate made him look like a guy ready to take charge, and the President’s demeanor suggested some willingness to let him do so. But his refusal to stand his ground on anything â€" and the marked contrast with the President in that regard â€" made him sound like a snake-oil salesman.
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/millman/the-first-presidential-debate-a-choice-or-an-echo/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=the-first-presidential-debate-a-choice-or-an-echo
don't particularly agree. one point is about specifics. How much do people honestly think they'll get on detailed specifics from 2 minute rebuttles back and forth? Also, the statement that Romney refused to stand his ground. Did he even watch the debate? Romney kept refuting what Obama was saying over and over. Either he didn't watch, or he doesn't know the definition of standing your ground.
I would like to see more specifics from Romney on his plans, but I wouldn't expect that from the debate. But I'd love to see it drawn up on his website or published somewhere.
Quote from: fsquid on October 04, 2012, 12:31:15 PM
don't particularly agree. one point is about specifics. How much do people honestly think they'll get on detailed specifics from 2 minute rebuttles back and forth? Also, the statement that Romney refused to stand his ground. Did he even watch the debate? Romney kept refuting what Obama was saying over and over. Either he didn't watch, or he doesn't know the definition of standing your ground.
I would like to see more specifics from Romney on his plans, but I wouldn't expect that from the debate. But I'd love to see it drawn up on his website or published somewhere.
You won't see specifics 'cause they don't exist. Romney’s policy positions are even more of a shambles now than they were previously. Romney’s position, over and over again, is to simply bluff it on policy. His tax plan continues to be the most obvious one, but it really happens across the board. Romney insisted last night more than once that his tax plan will keep taxes the same for the wealthy, cut them for everyone else, and not add to the deficit. Forget about what the Tax Policy Center has said; just that much is obviously incoherent and impossible. And, more to the point, it’s clear he’s going to keep on insisting that it adds up, no matter how clearly it doesn’t. But it’s not just that; on every policy, he’s just going to insist that the consequences of his plans that anyone might not like simply don’t exist, so that he’s for sweeping spending cuts but insists that no particular program that anyone brings up might lose any funding, or that he’s for repealing Obamacare but those with pre-existing conditions will magically be protected.
Quote from: finehoe on October 04, 2012, 12:43:15 PM
Quote from: fsquid on October 04, 2012, 12:31:15 PM
don't particularly agree. one point is about specifics. How much do people honestly think they'll get on detailed specifics from 2 minute rebuttles back and forth? Also, the statement that Romney refused to stand his ground. Did he even watch the debate? Romney kept refuting what Obama was saying over and over. Either he didn't watch, or he doesn't know the definition of standing your ground.
I would like to see more specifics from Romney on his plans, but I wouldn't expect that from the debate. But I'd love to see it drawn up on his website or published somewhere.
You won't see specifics 'cause they don't exist. Romney’s policy positions are even more of a shambles now than they were previously. Romney’s position, over and over again, is to simply bluff it on policy. His tax plan continues to be the most obvious one, but it really happens across the board. Romney insisted last night more than once that his tax plan will keep taxes the same for the wealthy, cut them for everyone else, and not add to the deficit. Forget about what the Tax Policy Center has said; just that much is obviously incoherent and impossible. And, more to the point, it’s clear he’s going to keep on insisting that it adds up, no matter how clearly it doesn’t. But it’s not just that; on every policy, he’s just going to insist that the consequences of his plans that anyone might not like simply don’t exist, so that he’s for sweeping spending cuts but insists that no particular program that anyone brings up might lose any funding, or that he’s for repealing Obamacare but those with pre-existing conditions will magically be protected.
The debates strike me as just a formality. I'm not concerned on who was the better debater. The media talking heads can bounce around the debates all they want. It can be enjoyable (watch Biden vs Ryan......this will be wild) but the choices are cut and dry.
I know who I want, who I can believe in.
For all that many people today feel Romney accomplished last night, the simple Obama ad of the 47% recording (with no additional narrative) has sealed the Presidents re election.
Statistically, with Romney appealing to just over 20% of Hispanic voters, Florida is electorally the Presidents.