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Title: Someone has Murdered a great tree on Seminole Ave?
Post by: If_I_Loved_you on October 01, 2012, 09:38:05 AM
Last week I noticed a great tree in the middle of Seminole Ave in Avondale towards the river has been mostly removed? That tree has lived for years was it dying? From what is left over it looked like it had more life to give. I also noticed the sidewalks on the right side of Seminole Ave have been removed. Who is doing this and did RAP give the OK?
Title: Re: Someone has Murdered a great tree on Seminole Ave?
Post by: Dog Walker on October 01, 2012, 10:07:22 AM
RAP doesn't have any input about the trees.  If it did, Lewis Tree Service would not prune so severely in the District for the power lines.  That's a very sore subject with the organization and there have been lots of complaints to JEA about it.

There were a lot of Laurel Oaks and Water Oaks planted in the District right after WWII.  They have reached the end of their lives and many have become dangerous from internal rot.  The City has an arborist under contract who has/is surveying the old trees and making a determination if they need to come down in a controlled fashion rather then uncontrolled during a thunderstorm.

There was a youngster killed last year when a big branch from a tree fell on him.  I think the City was sued over that.

The City is replanting with Live Oaks where there are no power lines in the way.  Live Oaks can live for hundreds of years.
Title: Re: Someone has Murdered a great tree on Seminole Ave?
Post by: If_I_Loved_you on October 01, 2012, 10:16:01 AM
Quote from: Dog Walker on October 01, 2012, 10:07:22 AM
RAP doesn't have any input about the trees.  If it did, Lewis Tree Service would not prune so severely in the District for the power lines.  That's a very sore subject with the organization and there have been lots of complaints to JEA about it.

There were a lot of Laurel Oaks and Water Oaks planted in the District right after WWII.  They have reached the end of their lives and many have become dangerous from internal rot.  The City has an arborist under contract who has/is surveying the old trees and making a determination if they need to come down in a controlled fashion rather then uncontrolled during a thunderstorm.

There was a youngster killed last year when a big branch from a tree fell on him.  I think the City was sued over that.

The City is replanting with Live Oaks where there are no power lines in the way.  Live Oaks can live for hundreds of years.
Thanks for the info but it's still sad to see a great tree down. :(
Title: Re: Someone has Murdered a great tree on Seminole Ave?
Post by: finehoe on October 01, 2012, 10:35:19 AM
Let's hope we don't start seeing this:

Sudden oak disease hits state

By SARAH SKIDMORE
The Times-Union,

At least five Florida nurseries, including three in Jacksonville, have received plants infected with the fungus that wiped out thousands of trees in the 1990s on the West Coast, the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services has found.

Sudden oak disease does not affect humans or animals but can damage many types of plants, including azaleas, rhododendrons, camellias maples and oaks.

This is the first incidence of the disease found in Florida, but the state said the disease devastated trees in Oregon and California. State regulators are unsure of how the disease can affect plants in this region but they have destroyed and quarantined hundreds of plants to prevent its spread.

What to watch for

@The Florida Department of Agriculture recommends consumers watch for signs of the disease in possible sudden oak death host plants such as camellias, viburnum, exotic azaleas or any Monrovia products. Symptoms of the disease include changes to the foliage that can look like leaf spots and blotches, scorch or sunburn. The lesions can resemble a bull's-eye with a darker, blurry, brown edge and lighter center. To view pictures of the symptoms of the disease , go to Jacksonville.com, keyword: symptoms. If your plant shows signs, call the department's toll-free helpline at 1-888-397-1517. Do not move or remove a potentially infected plant.

Monrovia Growers, an Azusa, Calif.-based company and the world's largest producer of container-grown plants, found the fungus in six of its camellias at the beginning of March as part of a routine inspection. Florida regulators halted the sale of Monrovia products in the state and prohibited further imports of nursery stock from California. Monrovia ships products to approximately 50 nurseries in Florida.

Denise Feiber, spokeswoman for the Florida Department of Agriculture said the state has completed its initial risk assessment, with the help of federal regulators, but will continue to inspect all Florida nurseries. She said it's too early to tell what impact the fungus will have on Florida nursery businesses and agriculture.

"It's a very dangerous disease," Feiber said. "We're hoping we can contain it to these five nurseries and quarantine the disease."

Three Jacksonville nurseries had product that tested positive for the fungus: Philips Garden Store and Furniture in Avondale, Plant Ranch Nursery at Jacksonville Beach and Trad's Garden Center and Pest Control in San Jose. The two other Florida shops are in Green Cove Springs and Tallahassee.

Regulators also found infected plants at Specialty Plants Inc. in California, which ships plants directly to customers. The state is trying to find and contact Florida customers of Specialty. Florida regulators and stores destroyed the infected products and quarantined many more plants that might have acquired the disease. According to the Associated Press, infected plants were also found in five nurseries in Georgia.

The local nurseries affected by the disease complimented the state for its aggressive action. They said their businesses were only minimally impacted but could have been devastated if the disease had spread.

Gary Baker, manager of Plant Ranch nursery at Jacksonville Beach, said his business had to destroy about 400 plants from Monrovia and has hundreds more under quarantine. He said it's a temporary loss of about 5 to 10 percent of the nursery's business.

"It's just part of agriculture; it's something you have to deal with," Baker said. "It's unfortunate to lose all those plants. The plants all look great."

All three of the nurseries said they'd sold some of the Monrovia products before the alert was issued but had not received any customer complaints. Monrovia is reimbursing the nurseries for any products losses. The company did not return a call requesting an estimated cost for this reimbursement.

The disease has not appeared in any oaks or other plants in Florida yet. Nursery owners and managers said the loss was somewhat curbed because camellias are typically sold in the fall or early spring.

Because this is the first found incidence of sudden oak death disease, the state said there are many things they don't know about the disease or its potential impact here. It lists 59 host or associated host plants that can be affected by the disease, but the list may grow.

The disease typically spreads by spores on the infected plant traveling by wind or water, according to the state. However, it can be spread by attaching to soil, debris, clothing or equipment.

http://jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/040904/bus_15303684.shtml
Title: Re: Someone has Murdered a great tree on Seminole Ave?
Post by: Dog Walker on October 01, 2012, 10:36:32 AM
^ True, that!  They are as much a part of the fabric of a historic neighborhood as the buildings.
Title: Re: Someone has Murdered a great tree on Seminole Ave?
Post by: If_I_Loved_you on October 01, 2012, 10:54:08 AM
Quote from: finehoe on October 01, 2012, 10:35:19 AM
Let's hope we don't start seeing this:

Sudden oak disease hits state

By SARAH SKIDMORE
The Times-Union,

At least five Florida nurseries, including three in Jacksonville, have received plants infected with the fungus that wiped out thousands of trees in the 1990s on the West Coast, the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services has found.

Sudden oak disease does not affect humans or animals but can damage many types of plants, including azaleas, rhododendrons, camellias maples and oaks.

This is the first incidence of the disease found in Florida, but the state said the disease devastated trees in Oregon and California. State regulators are unsure of how the disease can affect plants in this region but they have destroyed and quarantined hundreds of plants to prevent its spread.

What to watch for

@The Florida Department of Agriculture recommends consumers watch for signs of the disease in possible sudden oak death host plants such as camellias, viburnum, exotic azaleas or any Monrovia products. Symptoms of the disease include changes to the foliage that can look like leaf spots and blotches, scorch or sunburn. The lesions can resemble a bull's-eye with a darker, blurry, brown edge and lighter center. To view pictures of the symptoms of the disease , go to Jacksonville.com, keyword: symptoms. If your plant shows signs, call the department's toll-free helpline at 1-888-397-1517. Do not move or remove a potentially infected plant.

Monrovia Growers, an Azusa, Calif.-based company and the world's largest producer of container-grown plants, found the fungus in six of its camellias at the beginning of March as part of a routine inspection. Florida regulators halted the sale of Monrovia products in the state and prohibited further imports of nursery stock from California. Monrovia ships products to approximately 50 nurseries in Florida.

Denise Feiber, spokeswoman for the Florida Department of Agriculture said the state has completed its initial risk assessment, with the help of federal regulators, but will continue to inspect all Florida nurseries. She said it's too early to tell what impact the fungus will have on Florida nursery businesses and agriculture.

"It's a very dangerous disease," Feiber said. "We're hoping we can contain it to these five nurseries and quarantine the disease."

Three Jacksonville nurseries had product that tested positive for the fungus: Philips Garden Store and Furniture in Avondale, Plant Ranch Nursery at Jacksonville Beach and Trad's Garden Center and Pest Control in San Jose. The two other Florida shops are in Green Cove Springs and Tallahassee.

Regulators also found infected plants at Specialty Plants Inc. in California, which ships plants directly to customers. The state is trying to find and contact Florida customers of Specialty. Florida regulators and stores destroyed the infected products and quarantined many more plants that might have acquired the disease. According to the Associated Press, infected plants were also found in five nurseries in Georgia.

The local nurseries affected by the disease complimented the state for its aggressive action. They said their businesses were only minimally impacted but could have been devastated if the disease had spread.

Gary Baker, manager of Plant Ranch nursery at Jacksonville Beach, said his business had to destroy about 400 plants from Monrovia and has hundreds more under quarantine. He said it's a temporary loss of about 5 to 10 percent of the nursery's business.

"It's just part of agriculture; it's something you have to deal with," Baker said. "It's unfortunate to lose all those plants. The plants all look great."

All three of the nurseries said they'd sold some of the Monrovia products before the alert was issued but had not received any customer complaints. Monrovia is reimbursing the nurseries for any products losses. The company did not return a call requesting an estimated cost for this reimbursement.

The disease has not appeared in any oaks or other plants in Florida yet. Nursery owners and managers said the loss was somewhat curbed because camellias are typically sold in the fall or early spring.

Because this is the first found incidence of sudden oak death disease, the state said there are many things they don't know about the disease or its potential impact here. It lists 59 host or associated host plants that can be affected by the disease, but the list may grow.

The disease typically spreads by spores on the infected plant traveling by wind or water, according to the state. However, it can be spread by attaching to soil, debris, clothing or equipment.

http://jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/040904/bus_15303684.shtml
This would indeed suck! If we lost a lot of great Oaks in Riverside it would be a great loss. A lot like when we lost a number of trees in Riverside park when it was hit by a tornado or high winds years ago. :(
Title: Re: Someone has Murdered a great tree on Seminole Ave?
Post by: Josh on October 01, 2012, 09:55:14 PM
Here's a shot of it from last March. As you can see, the canopy is pretty depleted for a tree that size, so I assume it was just a matter of time.
(http://i.imgur.com/fwXkQ.jpg)

The satellite and birds-eye view shots on Google Maps are from this year, where the canopy looks even worse. Would a water oak even live long enough to make it to this size? Although I guess I may be answering my own question there.

Hopefully as these trees are dying off and being replaced, they are replaced with more diversified specifies of oaks and other native trees to guard against any future species-specific biological threats that could otherwise devastate a are with a lack of biodiversity.
Title: Re: Someone has Murdered a great tree on Seminole Ave?
Post by: If_I_Loved_you on October 01, 2012, 10:00:02 PM
Quote from: Josh on October 01, 2012, 09:55:14 PM
Here's a shot of it from last March. As you can see, the canopy is pretty depleted for a tree that size, so I assume it was just a matter of time.
(http://i.imgur.com/fwXkQ.jpg)

The satellite and birds-eye view shots on Google Maps are from this year, where the canopy looks even worse. Would a water oak even live long enough to make it to this size? Although I guess I may be answering my own question there.

Hopefully as these trees are dying off and being replaced, they are replaced with more diversified specifies of oaks and other native trees to guard against any future species-specific biological threats that could otherwise devastate a are with a lack of biodiversity.
Thanks for this info I hope after the rest of the tree is removed that they plant another tree in it's place.  8)
Title: Re: Someone has Murdered a great tree on Seminole Ave?
Post by: Dog Walker on October 02, 2012, 11:38:03 AM
That is most definitely a geriatric Water Oak, but not a very big one actually.  Pretty cramped space for it.