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This should be entertaining....
QuoteJacksonville City Councilwoman Kimberly Daniels will appear on a television show where people make demon-possessed speeches.
It won’t be a broadcast of a City Council meeting.
Daniels is scheduled to appear on a Nov. 19 episode of “Taboo,†a show running on the National Geographic channel. “Taboo†invites viewers to “journey beyond your comfort zone to explore behaviors and lifestyles that are acceptable in some cultures but forbidden, illegal or reviled in others.â€
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2012-09-27/story/jacksonville-councilwoman-be-profiled-demon-buster-national-geographic
How embarrassing.
For most of us human type animals, there seems to be a need in the mind for wonder and ghosts and monsters and yeti's and demons and angels and devils and UFO’s and GODS and RELIGIONS and spirits and exorcisms and witches and tales and tigers and bears. And to some degree that need is satisfied right at the church in our city's core.
Quote from: ChriswUfGator on September 27, 2012, 11:13:35 PM
How embarrassing.
Pleeeeese! Let's hope they don't identify her as a Jacksonville, Florida City Council member. Just as a bitten-by-the-Jesus-bug crazy person.
Oh I thought she was being featured as one of the animals. oops! :o
Just when you think our esteemed leaders couldn't stoop any lower... :-[
:o Ummmm, she is the same one who was so vocal and outspoken against 296, right? So it's ok to protect what she sees as right, when she readily admits that her lifestyle (part of it anyway) is not typical? Talk about double standard....
Quote from: ronchamblin on September 27, 2012, 11:25:38 PM
For most of us human type animals, there seems to be a need in the mind for wonder and ghosts and monsters and yeti's and demons and angels and devils and UFO’s and GODS and RELIGIONS and spirits and exorcisms and witches and tales and tigers and bears. And to some degree that need is satisfied right at the church in our city's core.
You might all agree that she seems to be a cerebral dwarf, but that begs the question, is it because of her outspoken belief's, or is it because she believes in God?
Though I do not go there, I believe you would find a large percentage of the people at that 'church in our city's core,' are as intelligent as you are Ron.
Just saying...
Quote from: Dog Walker on September 28, 2012, 10:38:37 AM
Quote from: ChriswUfGator on September 27, 2012, 11:13:35 PM
How embarrassing.
Pleeeeese! Let's hope they don't identify her as a Jacksonville, Florida City Council member. Just as a bitten-by-the-Jesus-bug crazy person.
The article clearly states that filming was done at City Hall, and includes interview footage with Bill Bishop, and a committee meeting at City Hall.
Perhaps she will be 'discovered' and get her own reality show. Move over Honey Boo Boo!
Quote from: vicupstate on September 28, 2012, 12:12:04 PM
Perhaps she will be 'discovered' and get her own reality show.
"The Real Freaks of Duval County"
Why would Bill Bishop agree to be interviewed?
Quote from: Intuition Ale Works on September 28, 2012, 12:21:35 PM
Why would Bill Bishop agree to be interviewed?
To not upset a fellow council member, who's support he may need in the future.
That, or maybe he is looking for a gratis exorcism for a loved one.
Quote from: ChriswUfGator on September 27, 2012, 11:13:35 PM
How embarrassing.
Agree.
Quote from: Ocklawaha on September 28, 2012, 11:46:12 AM
Though I do not go there, I believe you would find a large percentage of the people at that 'church in our city's core,' are as intelligent as you are Ron.
1) You say "Though I do not go there"--albeit, you clearly "went there."
2) I highly doubt (I'm almost completely certain) that a "large percentage of the people at that 'church in our city's core' are"
not as intelligent as Ron........
I do look forward to watching the episode.
It would be great for her to take her calling and work it on Bill Bishop and Don Redman, among the rest!
Quote from: vicupstate on September 28, 2012, 12:12:04 PM
Perhaps she will be 'discovered' and get her own reality show. Move over Honey Boo Boo!
Probably the ultimate goal...
Quote from: ben says on September 28, 2012, 12:57:38 PM
Quote from: Ocklawaha on September 28, 2012, 11:46:12 AM
Though I do not go there, I believe you would find a large percentage of the people at that 'church in our city's core,' are as intelligent as you are Ron.
1) You say "Though I do not go there"--albeit, you clearly "went there."
I live so far down in St. Johns that I can't find FBC on radar. Perhaps I should have said, "I do not attend FBC," it would have been easier to understand.
2) I highly doubt (I'm almost completely certain) that a "large percentage of the people at that 'church in our city's core' are" not as intelligent as Ron........
Your welcome to doubt whatever you'd like, but to be 'almost' completely certain is to be uncertain. Just as your belief that God doesn't exist, is trying to prove a negative, your certainty that the FBC masses are not as intelligent as Ron would indicate that you know the minds of at least 51% of their congregation. It's really kind of funny Ben, I never would have taken you for an elitist.
Yeah, I saw that yesterday on the news. She's gonna be on Nat Geo's 'Taboo'.
www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2012-09-27/story/national-geographic-show-profile-jacksonville-councilwoman-demon-buster
I went to her website. It's like most "ministry" sites..it's less about the message and more about the messenger.
She focuses on her "gifts." Her "anointing." Then she has her amazing story of redemption. As well the beginnings of her potential multi-billion dollar idea, newfaithbook.com (a social media website for christians. It's coming soon).
Still, it's the self-proclamation of "apostle" that bothers me most. Not because I have a special place or esteem for "apostles" but because I think of, well, Jesus.
If I'm to take the gospels at face value; Jesus, whose faith and lessons Kim should be following, continually evades and dismisses questions like, "are you the Messiah? or "are you the son of God?" My interpretation, titles are a moot point..."You're trying to figure out my pedigree but the most important thing is what I'm saying and doing."
We have a class of christian ministers that are so caught up in titles (not only is she an Apostle but she is also a "Dr." ::)) that it makes me wonder if salvation, as they proclaim it, has been as powerful as they (she) would say.
If Jesus is the life altering, mind-bending, eye-opening path to God I can't help but think that, man, she should be focused less on the "look who I am!" and more on the beatitudes. And, that is what bothers me most about Kimberly Daniels: self-aggrandizement.
And I feel the same way about Lady Gaga.
Peter Rummell's wife gave Daniels great $ support in her campaign. Blame her. Strange bed fellows.
Quote from: TheCat on September 28, 2012, 03:04:55 PM
If I'm to take the gospels at face value; Jesus, whose faith and lessons Kim should be following, continually evades and dismisses questions like, "are you the Messiah? or "are you the son of God?" My interpretation, titles are a moot point..."You're trying to figure out my pedigree but the most important thing is what I'm saying and doing."
We have a class of christian ministers that are so caught up in titles (not only is she an Apostle but she is also a "Dr." ::)) that it makes me wonder if salvation, as they proclaim it, has been as powerful as they (she) would say.
If Jesus is the life altering, mind-bending, eye-opening path to God I can't help but think that, man, she should be focused less on the "look who I am!" and more on the beatitudes. And, that is what bothers me most about Kimberly Daniels: self-aggrandizement.
Preach it, Cat. How do the crazies stay in office? Can we please exorcise the voters of Jacksonville? Those demons aren't budging... :-/
Actually some of the City Council members should team up and make a reality show , with Ms. Daniels as the high empress.
What a mockery.
She not taking my demons away! :o
Wonder what are her chances of being reelected? This is a bit over the top. I understand convictions of faith, but this could make her be seen in a different light.
She would never get my vote. The same goes for several others in Council, one of which I am embarrassed to say I did vote for.
From ronchamblin
For most of us human type animals, there seems to be a need in the mind for wonder and ghosts and monsters and yeti's and demons and angels and devils and UFO’s and GODS and RELIGIONS and spirits and exorcisms and witches and tales and tigers and bears. And to some degree that need is satisfied right at the church in our city's core.
from Ocklawaha
You might all agree that she seems to be a cerebral dwarf, but that begs the question, is it because of her outspoken belief's, or is it because she believes in God?
Though I do not go there, I believe you would find a large percentage of the people at that 'church in our city's core,' are as intelligent as you are Ron.
Sorry about my delay in response Ock. Been working, sleeping etc. To review, I think my comment above avoids suggesting that a significant percentage of the members at the church lack general intelligence, but I am suggesting that many people including myself have a need or inclination to wonder, to entertain the strange, the ideas of ghosts, religions, spirits, gods, yeti’s, demons, UFO’s, and of the ideas about any of the strange possibilities in the universe. Intelligence is not the issue. Persuasions, opinions, ignorance, behavior, control over community, political power, habits of thought, and complacency seems to be of interest.
Although I might occasionally and carelessly do so, I attempt to avoid discussing anyone’s general intelligence because not only is it difficult to define, and therefore difficult to measure, but its nature is like the deformed hand, something one is set with by fate, and therefore something outside of one’s will or choice. Who, if one contemplates it, can attack innate deficiencies?
I am suggesting that we all have a kind of need to wonder, to extend our thoughts to areas not clear to all, to areas without substance or truth for all to see. And I suggest that to some degree, this is whats happening at the church. After all, the idea of gods and devils and sin and forgiveness from some entity is outside of the realm of proof at least for the present, and therefore is similar to the ideas of UFO’s and yeti’s.
But no, I don’t suggest that she is a cerebral dwarf. One could argue that she does have outspoken beliefs because she believes in a god, but this is awkward, as the belief in a god and a belief in exorcism implies different levels of outspokenness from the norm. There seems to be a different level of oddity when comparing exorcism and simply believing in a god, because it is probable that there are more currently who believe in the existence of gods and heaven and hell, and fewer who believe in exorcisms and demons.
But… intelligence and cerebral dwarfism? I like to assume that all of us have little savant tendencies, abilities extraordinaire, so that although we each exhibit deficiencies and mediocrities, we have hidden within us abilities which allow for surprising qualities to emerge with time, and when needed. This gives one hope for success or stability, not only for oneself, but for others. It allows us to more easily forgive other’s apparent deficiencies, and to expect and hope better from them down the road.
There is more to be said about the function of the church environment in shaping the thoughts of those within, and the consequences to society and the community. There is more to be said about the nature of the church, the motives of the leadership within, and the control and affect upon the community within which the church operates. But it is getting late.
To be supposedly such a steward of the Lord , I have heard too many occasions where common folk would observe her (outside of council chambers) being rude , arrogant and condescending.
Her faith (or lack thereof) is not my issue with her. It is how she conducts herself. I don't buy her game one bit as a minister and certainly not as a council person. She got that seat by votes , not expertise.
That said I am an expert in neither situation. But I can tell common courtesy from rude and arrogant. Doesn't take any special degree to know the difference.
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She's doing it to sell books. Cool.
Duuuuvvaaaaalll!!!!!
Great letter On the City's dime . Way to go Ms. Daniels.
"I see my time with City Council as job assignment..."
WTF does that even mean?
Mrs. Daniels says “I cast out demonsâ€, that “I will die doing the work of the Lordâ€, and that she is “not ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.â€, that “part of what we do at the church is deliverance, the ministry of casting out devils, which some call exorcism.â€
Although I’ve not attended a church with anything approaching sincere intent since about 1955, and therefore have missed out on a lot of good things I’m sure, I sense the practical good which comes to the recipient or patient in the exorcism process.
A great percentage of what happens in a church environment, and certainly what happens during the process of “casting out demonsâ€, seems to have solid beneficial consequences for the recipient of the cleansing. And although many of us achieve inner “cleansing†or “rebooting†by other less obvious methods so that we might enhance our mental balance, the process of deliverance, exorcism, or cleansing engaged by Mrs. Daniels seems to be for those who cannot do the cleansing on their own.
So the results of deliverance, or cleansing, or exorcism, seems to be positive, in that it probably gives the recipient the ability to feel a release, an inner calm, to feel forgiven, to be given another chance to travel life’s roads with new confidence. Those of us who don’t engage the church system, or formal exorcism, to experience the liberating energy achieved via some sort of exorcism, or the casting out of demons, must do so ourselves by way of thinking through all aspects of the scenario which has allowed the accumulation of feelings of guilt, or caused us to feel obstructed in our desire to move forward with freedom and optimism.
If some of us were not able, by some lucky mental attribute, to accomplish the “rebooting†of our psyche on our own, we too might seek the services of a church, or a Mrs. Daniels. In fact, many of our citizens do just that at the various churches, wherein they experience subtle and slow exorcisms each time they attend church. For many individuals, church can be somewhat of a game, playing with the ideas of guilt, of sin, of forgiveness, of release, and of a new freedom, of a renewal of the spirit.
Although I’m certainly not a minister, I suspect that the “deliverance†or the “exorcism†is simply a way of forcing or allowing a balance upon the suffering patient, to give a much needed “release†of pressures built up by difficult living, so that he or she can feel “freeâ€, and have another chance to begin fresh, and hopefully with better decision making abilities, perhaps with fewer of the deficiencies of character which caused their problems in the first place.
I suspect that psychiatrists or counselors assist patients by “digging†into the psyche to discover perhaps a “door†through which the “demons†can escape, giving the much needed release, so that life can proceed unhindered by the former chains of guilt or confusion.
In any case, it seems that Mrs. Daniels process of casting out demons holds some validity, although it is “taboo†from many perspectives. The exorcisms have been performed by witch doctors, shamans, preachers, ministers, and priests for many centuries, and I expect that they will continue because of the “relief†and “cures†they seem to allow for the patients.
I do not mean to say that I believe in demons, as if they represented some concrete entity one might contemplate, but I do believe that people have “psychological†demons which must be serviced occasionally.
I am a newbie and as such will keep my comments limited. That being said, after reading Kim Daniels "defense letter" concerning her decision to televise her exorcisms on Taboo, she states that "in a city that recently had so much focus on diversity, that should not be a problem. I have a right to choose my lifestyle too".
Ms. Daniels comes across in this letter as someone Pro-Diversity as it applies to her and yet is so blatantly Anti-alternative lifestyle which others have the right to choose. Her voting record clearly shows her bias and bigotry when it comes to civil rights and reaffirmed with FBC's church service congratulating those who voted Anti-Human Rights.
Shame on you Kim Daniels. Didn't your Jesus come for the different, the down trodden, the least. Shame on you.
^^^ amen!
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^^^ She was someone's lovely bride onced ;) (* a line from Bugs Bunny )