The future has arrived and the emotions of the election are now over.
Why did Alvin Brown and Mike Hogan win the primaries? Why did the other contenders such as Audrey Moran or Rick Mullaney loose so badly? Why did other good mayoral candidates like Jim Bailey drop out?
Overall, out of all the candidates that ran for mayor, do you think Jacksonville choose the best person it could have for mayor?
Initially, following my gut instinct, I certainly thought so. Now I'm not so sure.
Of the candidates that initially ran and either dropped out of the race , or were defeated, My first choice would have been Glorious Johnson , followed by Audrey Moran. I regret that neither made it .
I sincerely hope Mayor Brown will surprise me , by the time the next election comes around. On many levels , he has just not lived up to his promises or reasonable expectation.
Given the choice between Mullaney and anybody, we got the better end of the stick. Even Hogan (shudder!) would have been better because he isn't smart and evil like Rick, just evil.
Quote from: stephendare on June 07, 2012, 06:31:45 PM
Quote from: cityimrov on June 07, 2012, 04:33:38 PM
The future has arrived and the emotions of the election are now over.
Why did Alvin Brown and Mike Hogan win the primaries? Why did the other contenders such as Audrey Moran or Rick Mullaney loose so badly? Why did other good mayoral candidates like Jim Bailey drop out?
Overall, out of all the candidates that ran for mayor, do you think Jacksonville choose the best person it could have for mayor?
Mullaney and Moran split the vote.
If Mullaney had withdrawn, we would have a Mayor Moran right now.
Given the choice between Hogan and Brown, we definitely got the better end of the stick
This^
Will be interesting to see if Moran runs again in 3 years.
Quote from: stephendare on June 07, 2012, 06:31:45 PM
Quote from: cityimrov on June 07, 2012, 04:33:38 PM
The future has arrived and the emotions of the election are now over.
Why did Alvin Brown and Mike Hogan win the primaries? Why did the other contenders such as Audrey Moran or Rick Mullaney loose so badly? Why did other good mayoral candidates like Jim Bailey drop out?
Overall, out of all the candidates that ran for mayor, do you think Jacksonville choose the best person it could have for mayor?
Mullaney and Moran split the vote.
If Mullaney had withdrawn, we would have a Mayor Moran right now.
Given the choice between Hogan and Brown, we definitely got the better end of the stick
Can someone give more details? How did Brown win the primaries? Who voted for him? Could Moran or Mullaney could have gotten their vote? Did Bailey or Hyde even have a chance?
The core issue I'm trying to find out is out of all the candidates, did Jacksonville elect the best one? If not, why not and what could have been done to have them elected as mayor?
Please fix the title of this thread before I start cutting myself...
Don't cut yourself , RS !! :o
QuoteIf Mullaney had withdrawn, we would have a Mayor Moran right now.
Given the choice between Hogan and Brown, we definitely got the better end of the stick
Yeah, lol, hundreds of thousands of dollars later after 2 moves to and from the courthouse, almost losing the Jaguars due to overzealous employees, and a city process that has ground to a halt as a result of a CEO who has everything being run by him, AND he still gets the process wrong (Jags). The citizens certainly did elect the best cheerleader, but the on the job training is costing the city, and we'll see if we can afford the next 3 years.
Quote from: cityimrov on June 07, 2012, 10:13:22 PM
Quote from: stephendare on June 07, 2012, 06:31:45 PM
Quote from: cityimrov on June 07, 2012, 04:33:38 PM
The future has arrived and the emotions of the election are now over.
Why did Alvin Brown and Mike Hogan win the primaries? Why did the other contenders such as Audrey Moran or Rick Mullaney loose so badly? Why did other good mayoral candidates like Jim Bailey drop out?
Overall, out of all the candidates that ran for mayor, do you think Jacksonville choose the best person it could have for mayor?
Mullaney and Moran split the vote.
If Mullaney had withdrawn, we would have a Mayor Moran right now.
Given the choice between Hogan and Brown, we definitely got the better end of the stick
Can someone give more details? How did Brown win the primaries? Who voted for him? Could Moran or Mullaney could have gotten their vote? Did Bailey or Hyde even have a chance?
The core issue I'm trying to find out is out of all the candidates, did Jacksonville elect the best one? If not, why not and what could have been done to have them elected as mayor?
What are you looking for here? Stephen outlined the answer perfectly for you.
Its an open race with the top 2 candidates competing in a runoff, regardless of party.
and to expound a tad further, Moran tried (and pretty successfully) pulled votes from Republ;icans, Democrats, and Independents....at the end of the day, Brown had a great ground game and his Get Out The Vote efforts, especially on the northside, were impressive.
As Stephen said, there were three major Rs running in the race....had Mullaney dopped out, Moran would have made the run-off with Hogan...and would likely have trounced him in the genetral election.
Quote from: cityimrov on June 07, 2012, 10:13:22 PM
Quote from: stephendare on June 07, 2012, 06:31:45 PM
Quote from: cityimrov on June 07, 2012, 04:33:38 PM
The future has arrived and the emotions of the election are now over.
Why did Alvin Brown and Mike Hogan win the primaries? Why did the other contenders such as Audrey Moran or Rick Mullaney loose so badly? Why did other good mayoral candidates like Jim Bailey drop out?
Overall, out of all the candidates that ran for mayor, do you think Jacksonville choose the best person it could have for mayor?
Mullaney and Moran split the vote.
If Mullaney had withdrawn, we would have a Mayor Moran right now.
Given the choice between Hogan and Brown, we definitely got the better end of the stick
Can someone give more details? How did Brown win the primaries? Who voted for him? Could Moran or Mullaney could have gotten their vote? Did Bailey or Hyde even have a chance?
The core issue I'm trying to find out is out of all the candidates, did Jacksonville elect the best one? If not, why not and what could have been done to have them elected as mayor?
As others have said Moran and Mullaney split their base. I'd argue that the two best candidates knocked each other out of the election in a silly race for second they both lost.
Bailey and Hyde saw no chance in such a crowded election, so they bowed out early. Brown ran a solid campaign and came up from behind.
Hogan only lost in the general election because he ran such a terrible campaign and put so many people off that it leveled the field for Brown.
Quote from: tufsu1 on June 08, 2012, 09:33:20 AM
and to expound a tad further, Moran tried (and pretty successfully) pulled votes from Republ;icans, Democrats, and Independents....at the end of the day, Brown had a great ground game and his Get Out The Vote efforts, especially on the northside, were impressive.
How were the other candidates "Get Out The Vote efforts"? Were they as good as Brown?
Often when there are 3 or more strong candidates, the top two will battle scar each other too much and a third one 'runs up the center' to win. That happened in htis case. Moran and Mullaney let Hogan off scott-free while damaging each other.
Brown was assured a spot in the runoff as the only Democrat of substance in the race.
Hogan would still have won, but overconfidence killed him. In essentially an identical situation, 8 years earlier, Peyton didn't let up against Glover. Hogan was the hare and Brown the turtle.
^If Mullaney had bowed out and endorsed Moran, Audrey would have beaten Brown easily in the primary. Don't know if the opposite would necessarily be true. What's clear is that they lost it for each other and it's unlikely either will ever be mayor.
Quote from: Tacachale on June 08, 2012, 04:17:33 PM
^If Mullaney had bowed out and endorsed Moran, Audrey would have beaten Brown easily in the primary. Don't know if the opposite would necessarily be true. What's clear is that they lost it for each other and it's unlikely either will ever be mayor.
So there was absolutely no way for Moran or Mullaney to have won even if they both had knowledge from the future? It was their destiny to lose?
Quote from: vicupstate on June 08, 2012, 02:30:40 PM
Often when there are 3 or more strong candidates, the top two will battle scar each other too much and a third one 'runs up the center' to win. That happened in htis case. Moran and Mullaney let Hogan off scott-free while damaging each other.
Something about this feels broken.
Quote from: cityimrov on June 08, 2012, 11:28:03 PM
Quote from: Tacachale on June 08, 2012, 04:17:33 PM
^If Mullaney had bowed out and endorsed Moran, Audrey would have beaten Brown easily in the primary. Don't know if the opposite would necessarily be true. What's clear is that they lost it for each other and it's unlikely either will ever be mayor.
So there was absolutely no way for Moran or Mullaney to have won even if they both had knowledge from the future? It was their destiny to lose?
That's not at all what I said. Moran and Mullaney had it difficult to start with because they drew from the same set of voters. Eventually when they just started duking it out with each other rather than the other guys (particularly when Rick went negative) it only hurt each other without benefiting themselves. In the end this silliness cost both of them the race - and cost the city the two best candidates in the running.
I forgot, what was the turnout rate for the primaries? Was it around 70%?
lol, maybe half that.
Hey, Audrey won the straw poll taken at the Hyatt. That was probably the high point of her campaign.
Quote from: cityimrov on June 16, 2012, 10:52:07 PM
I forgot, what was the turnout rate for the primaries? Was it around 70%?
I believe it was just under 30%.
Most people do not realize Alvin was actually entertaining job offers to get out of the race prior to the primary. I refer to him as the accidental mayor with good reason.
Quote from: cityimrov on June 07, 2012, 04:33:38 PM
Why did Alvin Brown and Mike Hogan win the primaries?
As Stephen alluded to, more than one populist split the vote. View of the majority then is taken off the table. At this point, I have to wonder if unitary elections are right for Jacksonville’s political process. The result is not a “primary†but a “first election†where a large number of fractional candidates are distilled down to a two person general. Now that Jacksonville is politically on parity from a party perspective â€" partisan primary’s may be more viable. Now that Democrats will show at the polls, a candidate like Moran could actually run on the blue ticket and may advance. A Republican only primary would keep moderate republicans in the vote and may produce a more moderate candidate. But this is the central problem with a mayoral race, you are voting for a “city manager†more than a political point of view â€" voters don’t get that. So, the result is the right politics without regard to management ability. You could have a city-manager form of government, and this issue is put to bed forever.
Based on what everyone here said, what basically happened what that the small minority of people in the "in crowd" were fighting each other to earn elite karma points that they forgot to show their care to everyone else, the people that wanted things to stay the same had their candidate, and the small minority of people who were ignored by all the above chose someone who at least visited them, all this, while the vast MAJORITY didn't seem to care either which is another way of saying - none of the candidates actually cared enough about their vote.
The number one lesson learned from this mayoral election is this, Jacksonville is a city with 864,263 citizens. You can't run a city without at least knowing what each and everyone of those 864,263 citizens do and what their motivation for life is.
Recent events keep reminding me of this thread. What do you guys think happened?
QuoteWhat do you guys think happened?
I'll tell you what happened, Hogan went to sleep the last 2 months of the campaign, thinking he had the conservative vote wrapped up, and after 8 years of conservative do-nothing in Peyton, they had enough, so Brown comes along, he is energetic, he is saying the right things (as all politicians do, to get elected) and he is seen out and about everywhere (he does like the spotlight and TV more than Peyton did), and he became the popular vote, forget the fact that he had zero experience in Jacksonville politics.
Clay Yarborough won election in Arlington at a young age and has been a rock on the council for a while now. He got out and worked the area and got elected, with help from some very savvy political consultants, it can happen really to anyone, so what we saw this week, may bring change in the future. I'd vote for Jimmy for an At-Large seat, I think diversity is important and needed on any council.
In some ways people are wanting to over think this, myself included. Reality is the Democratic Party finally turned out a proportionate share of their voters. Being there are more of them than Republicans in Duval County, Brown won. Turn back to Obama/McCain â€" they were un able to deliver Duval to Obama. If they can hold on to what they did with Brown â€" I bet Duval will go for Obama â€" then FL goes Blue, Dems get another four on Penn. Ave. According to Matt Corrigan PHd. â€" Bush/Gore went to Bush largely based on what happen here in Duval.