I decided to go ahead and start this thread as it will be needed very soon. Anybody planning on going to the draft party today?
The most overhyped, overrated event in sports today. I'll check in on the Ipad while I do other things.
Quote from: fsquid on April 26, 2012, 12:48:11 PM
The most overhyped, overrated event in sports today. I'll check in on the Ipad while I do other things.
It's just something to do. Its not about being "overhyped".
Ill be at Chiacgo pizza at the Landing. Its a really good sports bar with great views and good food.
I considered going to the draft party until I realized that three of my least favorite things are whiny fans, Bud Light, and hanging out at the mall. I think I'll just check in on my Iphone during breaks from Mass Effect 3.
Quote from: duvaldude08 on April 26, 2012, 01:04:34 PM
Quote from: fsquid on April 26, 2012, 12:48:11 PM
The most overhyped, overrated event in sports today. I'll check in on the Ipad while I do other things.
It's just something to do. Its not about being "overhyped".
Shit, you can't turn on ESPN without seeing Kiper or the young looking guy talking about how the long snappers small hands will push him to the 6th round.
It is the power of the Shield though, they are the best at keeping their name at the top year-round. I have to tip my cap to that. Hell, they've made an event where people sit around in suits a three day "must see" event!
Im just going to get out the house and I have nothing else to do. Beats sitting in the house (for me anyways)
I usually just go to the Jags website after the draft, too much time waiting for the Jags to pick and I am not interested in the other teams drafts.
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on April 26, 2012, 04:31:11 PM
I usually just go to the Jags website after the draft, too much time waiting for the Jags to pick and I am not interested in the other teams drafts.
Yeah me either. Im stopping in Blackfinn and eat to kill time. I dont want to sit through all the other teams.
Jacgs moving up to get Blackmon....I'm totally good with that!
Good pick.
Quote from: tufsu1 on April 26, 2012, 08:25:46 PM
Jacgs moving up to get Blackmon....I'm totally good with that!
Only a 4th Round pick to move up 2 spots and get the #1 player at the #1 position of need.
Very solid move.
We will see, I changed the channel just in time to see it. Current WR's just got a little tougher in Jax. Somebody will not have a spot. Go Jags
I'm perfectly content
exciting pick
he probably would have been there if we waited until #7
but happy nonetheless. like the style, aggressive.
Quote from: tufsu1 on April 26, 2012, 08:25:46 PM
Jacgs moving up to get Blackmon....I'm totally good with that!
Good pick by the Jags!
Quote from: Gators312 on April 26, 2012, 08:33:41 PM
Only a 4th Round pick to move up 2 spots and get the #1 player at the #1 position of need.
Very solid move.
yeah...compare that to what Cleveland gave up to Minnesota just to move up one spot
Quote from: ben says on April 26, 2012, 08:43:15 PM
I'm perfectly content
exciting pick
he probably would have been there if we waited until #7
but happy nonetheless. like the style, aggressive.
I don't think he would have made it past the Rams. They traded out after the Jags selected Blackmon.
Im just getting in from the Draft Party at the town center and could not be happier at the moment. Now its time to plug the other holes.
A lot of the draft "gurus" expected Blackmon to be gone before 7. Giving up a 4th to ensure that we got him is great business imo.
Check out this Sports Science piece on Blackmon from a few months back. He's a beast.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_97kBZqj270 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_97kBZqj270)
Okay guys who do you pick? RG3 or Luck? I'd take RG3. He can not only throw, but he can scramble, run and block. I seen a clip when he ran down the field and blocked for his receiver to get a TD! You dont get any better than that IMO.
Quote from: tufsu1 on April 26, 2012, 09:04:22 PM
Quote from: Gators312 on April 26, 2012, 08:33:41 PM
Only a 4th Round pick to move up 2 spots and get the #1 player at the #1 position of need.
Very solid move.
yeah...compare that to what Cleveland gave up to Minnesota just to move up one spot
Don't get me started on how bad my Browns crapped the bed tonight. There aren't words to describe how awful this was.
Quote from: duvaldude08 on April 26, 2012, 09:59:23 PM
Okay guys who do you pick? RG3 or Luck? I'd take RG3. He can not only throw, but he can scramble, run and block. I seen a clip when he ran down the field and blocked for his receiver to get a TD! You dont get any better than that IMO.
RG3!! I'm a huge fan of mobile QB's.
Loser: Justin Blackmon
Don't you just love the national media and their asinine view of Jacksonville.
This was on Fox Sports "Winners and Losers" in last night's draft.
Fox Sports this is getting very old now. Find someone else to pick on.
Blackmon went fifth overall and he’s a loser? It's hard to believe, but the two-time Biletnikoff Award winner is going to Jacksonville, a place where they hang tarps over upper-deck seating to reduce stadium capacity and avoid non-sellout TV blackouts. New head coach Mike Mularkey wants to bring the aerial assault to Jacksonville, but quarterback Blaine Gabbert struggled mightily in his rookie season and may continue to do so with a moth-eaten offensive line. Blackmon could be in for a rough slog.
I'm quite happy with this selection. I wasn't expecting it, but I'm pleased nonetheless.
I honestly don't think they could have made a better pick. I Ihave not talked to one disappointed person this morning. There is some buzz around town today. Can't wait to see him in person at the mini-camp next week.
Avonjax, the real loser is Jarett Dillard. He definitely won't last through training camp and probably will find himself out of the league after he's cut.
I love the pick though. I'd love to see the Jags get Stephen Hill next, but I won't be mad if we go after a DE in the second round.
Quote from: comncense on April 27, 2012, 08:47:40 AM
I love the pick though. I'd love to see the Jags get Stephen Hill next, but I won't be mad if we go after a DE in the second round.
Me too - it just depends on where the chips fall as far as who's available.
Four words: In Gene we trust!!!
Quote from: avonjax on April 27, 2012, 07:34:07 AM
Loser: Justin Blackmon
Don't you just love the national media and their asinine view of Jacksonville.
This was on Fox Sports "Winners and Losers" in last night's draft.
Fox Sports this is getting very old now. Find someone else to pick on.
Blackmon went fifth overall and he’s a loser? It's hard to believe, but the two-time Biletnikoff Award winner is going to Jacksonville, a place where they hang tarps over upper-deck seating to reduce stadium capacity and avoid non-sellout TV blackouts. New head coach Mike Mularkey wants to bring the aerial assault to Jacksonville, but quarterback Blaine Gabbert struggled mightily in his rookie season and may continue to do so with a moth-eaten offensive line. Blackmon could be in for a rough slog.
The thing is, he we would have went to a bad team anyways unless a good one traded up for him. The teams with the worst records get the first picks. He would have been on a team with a losing record regardless. However, I am use to people taking a jab at Jacksonville whenever they can. Its expected. Its common. The best thing to do is prove them wrong.
An its killing me how everytime the mention they said " The leagues worst offense." I check and in 2010 The Pathners had "the leauges worst offense." I NEVER recalled them running it in the ground when they mentioned the Panthers. The would mention how bad the team was doing, but they never ran it into the ground like they do us. And we actually have a better record than Carolina with a #32 offense. (5-11 and they were 2-14)
Where are all the bandwagon fuckers?
I better see a report by the end of the day that the team sold something like 32k new season tickets today. ;D
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on April 27, 2012, 10:28:44 AM
Where are all the bandwagon fuckers?
I better see a report by the end of the day that the team sold something like 32k new season tickets today. ;D
They are somewhere trying to find another reason not to be season tickets ! ;D
Five words I didn't think I'd get a chance to say:
FANTASTIC pick by Gene Smith.
Damn season needs to start already :(
Bold prediction:
10-6, zero blackouts.
Quote from: KenFSU on April 27, 2012, 11:51:04 AM
Five words I didn't think I'd get a chance to say:
FANTASTIC pick by Gene Smith.
Damn season needs to start already :(
Bold prediction:
10-6, zero blackouts.
Trade up for Blackmon
Gene is a hero again
Buy a damn ticket
Quote10-6, zero blackouts.
Whoa Nelly, we have some new receivers, so what? We don't know if they can catch the rock. We all thought Mercedes Lewis was a sure thing last year then he forgot how to catch the football. All I'll say is I think we can win more than we won last year, but until I see this team on the field, I will reserve any wins or playoffs.
New coaches, new owner, new philosophies, a LOT must happen to win a game in the NFL, let alone become a contender as everything thinks, but then again, we all thought the same think with JDL over the years, and Mularkey has yet to coach a game in Jacksonville, despite being ALL IN.
Cautiously optimistic about the season. I did call that we would needed to get Blackmon. Coples went ahead of Ingram, so maybe some of the experts out here don't know it all, still????? ::)
Quote from: mtraininjax on April 27, 2012, 11:58:14 AM
Cautiously optimistic about the season. I did call that we would needed to get Blackmon. Couples went ahead of Ingram, so maybe some of the experts out here don't know it all, still????? ::)
*Coples
But I see that as a Rex Ryan move. He's got the physical traits we want and I can coach heart. Hopefully, since his roots are in defense, he will do better with Coples than he did with Holmes and Sanchez.
We have addressed the Receiver position to my satisfaction. If we can just be average passing the ball we will be a pretty good Offense. Offensive improvement will go further than anything else to help our defense give them some rest and field position. (wow wouldn't that be different). We still need to address a pass rush which we will likely do in round two.
QuoteWe still need to address a pass rush which we will likely do in round two.
Yes and no, we have an offensive line that has Meester in his 13th year at center. Yes, we have Monroe at one end, but Britton was hurt before the season and then during the season, to the point that he was of little value last year. He has vinegar, but can he play? I don't know. We have some backup linemen, but I think we need to draft a couple of linemen as well, we seem to have issues with the OL and we will need strong protection for Gabbert to throw to his new dandies!
I agree with the Edge rusher, but I think the best are gone for this draft. We addressed what we needed to address, our dead last offense from last year. Maybe a RB to push Deji and the kid who blew out his ACL last year in preseason.
Quote from: KenFSU on April 27, 2012, 11:51:04 AM
Five words I didn't think I'd get a chance to say:
FANTASTIC pick by Gene Smith.
Damn season needs to start already :(
Bold prediction:
10-6, zero blackouts.
10-6 is resonable, but I was going for 9-7. After losing for 4 season, we went 9-7 in 2004. 9-7 can get you in the playoffs if you beat the right team and win the right games. But hey, Im just ready to see how the team plays. Nothing can be worse than being #32. Even #25 is an improvement. LOL
Dejai Karim just got waived. I seen that coming from a mile away.
Quote from: duvaldude08 on April 27, 2012, 11:18:11 AM
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on April 27, 2012, 10:28:44 AM
Where are all the bandwagon fuckers?
I better see a report by the end of the day that the team sold something like 32k new season tickets today. ;D
They are somewhere trying to find another reason not to be season tickets ! ;D
The latest thing now from these negative nancys is that Khan made that pick; Even if he did (which I don't believe BTW) who cares!!Some segments (mostly from the Timmy crowd) are always gonna dislike Gene no matter what.
Quote from: duvaldude08 on April 27, 2012, 12:55:26 PM
Dejai Karim just got waived. I seen that coming from a mile away.
Five other unknowns got waived too. We've jettisoned alot of dead weight from the roster, suddenly it's alot stronger now. The second round should be all about either a defensive end or defensive tackle.
10 - 6??
News4jax has the Blackmon press confence vid up and running.
www.news4jax.com/sports/jaguars/Blackmon-introduced-in-Jacksonville/-/1898820/12145820/-/nnp3jv/-/index.html
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on April 27, 2012, 02:46:46 PM
10 - 6??
Yup 10-6.
Which one of these games that makes you say "damn, it ain't no way that we're winning that game!!"
IND
at IND
HOU
TEN
CIN
at BUF
NYJ
at MIA
at MIN
CHI
and I'm being pretty damn conservative! I have us losing at OAK, at GB, at TEN, at HOU, NE, and DET.
The days of the three year rebuild are over; Time & time again, with the right pieces, teams can go from 5-11 to 11-5 in a blink of an eye.
Holy Hole in a Donut Batman, these blokes think we throw some money at players and we're a championship team. Our best season over the last 10 years was 2005 when we went 12-4, we beat Arizona on the road, the Steelers on the road, beat the jets on the road, but we lost to Indy twice. Of course, we thought we were hot stuff, only to get throttled in New England 28-3.
And the next season we finished 8-8. Like Boselli said on the Tube this morning, every game in the NFL is damn hard, no game is a gimme. I don't see any game as a gimme and I am not about to proclaim the second coming of playoffs with another draft. Its a long season. A lot can and will happen, too early to proclaim us a playoff team yet. Let's win some games in September before we thump our chests.
None of it really matters if you don't win consistently in january
TO be honest, every fans claims their team is going to the playoffs. Its just the nature of fans. We get excited and want to be best. I dont see the harm in people thinking what they want to think.
QuoteTO be honest, every fans claims their team is going to the playoffs. Its just the nature of fans. We get excited and want to be best. I dont see the harm in people thinking what they want to think.
Do you also play the lottery?
The Jags selected Andre Branch (DE) in the second round (Clemson) and a freaking PUNTER named Bryan Anger in the 3RD ROUND outta California. WTF!!! A punter in the third round!!!! I'm trying hard to stick up for Gene, but this is downright ridiculous! The punter that we already have Nick Harris seemed adequate enough, and he punted hella better than Matt Turk! SMH.
Quote from: I-10east on April 27, 2012, 09:43:31 PM
The Jags selected Andre Branch (DE) in the second round (Clemson) and a freaking PUNTER named Bryan Anger in the 3RD ROUND outta California. WTF!!! A punter in the third round!!!! I'm trying hard to stick up for Gene, but this is downright ridiculous! The punter that we already have Nick Harris seemed adequate enough, and he punted hella better than Matt Turk! SMH.
Don't forget the backlash when Davis selected both Lechler and Janikowski in the fith & first round - arguably two of the best players and their position for a long time.
Quote from: I-10east on April 27, 2012, 09:43:31 PM
The Jags selected Andre Branch (DE) in the second round (Clemson) and a freaking PUNTER named Bryan Anger in the 3RD ROUND outta California. WTF!!! A punter in the third round!!!! I'm trying hard to stick up for Gene, but this is downright ridiculous! The punter that we already have Nick Harris seemed adequate enough, and he punted hella better than Matt Turk! SMH.
I-10, calm down. Breath it will be okay. We needed a WR and DE and we got both. It was a little early to go for a punter, but cant cry over spilled milk. If this is the worst thing that happens in the entire draft I can life with it. Every team has had a " What in the hell?" moment so far. I didnt expect it to be flawless.
Quote from: I-10east on April 27, 2012, 09:43:31 PM
The Jags selected Andre Branch (DE) in the second round (Clemson) and a freaking PUNTER named Bryan Anger in the 3RD ROUND outta California. WTF!!! A punter in the third round!!!! I'm trying hard to stick up for Gene, but this is downright ridiculous! The punter that we already have Nick Harris seemed adequate enough, and he punted hella better than Matt Turk! SMH.
I was just about to ask what everyone thought of that. Well.... I'll ask anyway. What is everyone's opinion?
Mine? That 3rd round pick could've been used for another WR, TE, CB, or DE. A punter still would've been around for the 5th round, I think.
Anger is a great addition to our Special Teams. Punters don't get drafted. There's a reason he did.
I hope that yall are right about this Anger kid, he better be DAMN good.
^ I actually looked him up and he apparently has a good kick on him. I still don't know what Gene was thinking, but from the info I gathered, all the players they were looking at in the third round were all gone. I just hope he knows what he's doing, otherwise there will be a lot of pleas for Mr. Khan to fire GS.
^^^I totally agree, and I'm a Gene supporter. I felt like Nick Harris did a decent job as the punter, and we wasn't in a dire need to upgrade at that position. Hell, my idea of a good punt is punting it within the twenty-yard line. If Anger comes in and punt coffin corner kicks within the five-yard line consistently, and our D can't stop nobody, it doesn't matter anyway. Clint Session is a concussion away from being off the field, and we definitely could have used another LB. I'm glad that we didn't that malcontent from Florida/N Alabama Jenkins and got Branch, because CB isn't a big time need IMO; Watch, wait until Monday, alot of the orange/blue crowd are gonna be outraged that we didn't get Janoris; Then again, that will most likely be overshadowed by the third round punter. I really hope that Anger will be somewhere around the status of the 'Bay-Area punters' because if he's not, Gene is in trouble.
Quote from: Anti redneck on April 28, 2012, 06:26:01 AM
I just hope he knows what he's doing, otherwise there will be a lot of pleas for Mr. Khan to fire GS.
Unless Gene Smith's tears cure cancer, there will ALWAYS be pleas for Khan to fire him.
QuoteIt was a little early to go for a punter,
What's worse is that Gene Smith had infected Mularkey and he bought into the mess, saying its better to have a punter who can get you 20 more yards, even if he's only on the field 4-8 plays a game. He must have hit his head on the sink yesterday and thought that the NFL was a punter's league.
Worst use of a draft choice. You pick up punters in free agency, not the draft.
^which available player would you have taken?
Quote from: Anti redneck on April 28, 2012, 02:08:34 AM
Mine? That 3rd round pick could've been used for another WR, TE, CB, or DE. A punter still would've been around for the 5th round, I think.
I fully agree. Philadelphia got their starting punter and kicker last year through undrafted free agents who were near the top of the league in kicking.
Anger is a good prospect, just not worthy of 3rd round pick, when no one else is picking punters until 6 or 7. Use 4th or 5th rounder if you want a jump on things.
This is more of Gene Smith trying to have an angle where he can show he thinks he's the smartest guy in the room.
The Blackmon deal was a pleasant surprise and then the next night Gene goes back to being Gene.
Quote from: Tacachale on April 28, 2012, 10:17:00 AM
^which available player would you have taken?
OLB Shawn Spence, OG Josh LeRibeus, C Ben Jones, C Phillip Blake, or OG Joe Looney,
Even Anger was surprised. Sort of makes me chuckle to think that was the third rounder that we didn't use on Timmy. Maybe Anger deserves a cult following in JAX - Is his jersey out yet?
Quote from: Gators312 on April 28, 2012, 10:35:39 AM
Quote from: Tacachale on April 28, 2012, 10:17:00 AM
^which available player would you have taken?
OLB Shawn Spence, OG Josh LeRibeus, C Ben Jones, C Phillip Blake, or OG Joe Looney,
Nah I wouldnt took a center in the third round. Maybe the fifth. Im not complaing. We got the best WR and a solid DE so far. Im good. The punter did throw me off though
ESPN's comments on the punter selection:
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/36528/a-punter-jaguars-reached-in-third-round
I'm not terribly worried about it. Great 1st and 2nd round picks and it hardly seems likely this cat will be a dud football player. It's unusual but not worth getting worked up about.
The Jags got LB Brandon Marshall (no typo, that's actually his name) from Nevada in the 5th round.
Actually, just to correct the media "experts", there have been three other punters taken in the third round since Todd Suyerbran was taken 56th overall in 1995. Brad Maynard, 95th overall, 1997(Ball State) to Browns; B.J. Sander, 87th overall, 2004(Ohio State) to Packers; Dustin Colquitt, 99th overall, 2005(Tennessee) to Chiefs. So, it does happen. I agree that we could have possibly pursued another "need". But Gene is a BAP guy. And if the man says Anger was the BAP on his board, then you have to trust the pick. Don't have to agree with it, or like it. But we can't preach "in Gene we Trust" and then call the man a liar because we don't like what he does. For those that don't believe a punter is an impact player, how many games did Turk cost us last season?
^^^What they were saying is that Anger (70th) is the highest drafted punter since Suyerbran. Hopefully we don't have to use Anger very often, because that will obviously be an indictment of our offense. I'm mostly done with totally shaking off this bewilderment of the third round, and I'm gonna still continue to be in the diehard 'IGWT' crowd; Although I must say, any criticizing of that pick by the fans, media, etc. is understandable. Unfortunately, many of the 'typicals' will say the obligatory 'First Tebow, now this'. *sigh*
Agree 100%. I'd hope that Anger is a seldom used asset and that the offense can turn things around this season. We shall see.
Quote from: duvaldude08 on April 27, 2012, 04:48:09 PM
TO be honest, every fans claims their team is going to the playoffs. Its just the nature of fans. We get excited and want to be best. I dont see the harm in people thinking what they want to think.
I agree
QuoteBut Gene is a BAP guy. And if the man says Anger was the BAP on his board, then you have to trust the pick.
If he is a Best Available Player guy, why did we end up, again, with more defensive players than offensive? Having the 6th best D last year was a reason to add all these defensive players? We're dead last in offense last year and we grab another top 10 player for offense and then forget about it.
Smith needs to draft the first day and then turn it over to the coaches who have needs to fill, Smith's BAP scenario only works if his defensive picks can also play offense. Something we desperately need after finishing DEAD LAST IN YPG in the NFL for the 2011 season.
A great link to our 3rd round pick:
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/57873/a-punter-jaguars-reached-in-third-round (http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/57873/a-punter-jaguars-reached-in-third-round)
I'm assuming Gene Smith expects our punter to be a key player for us next year. Think about that. The difference between a mediocre punter and a great one isn't that much. I particularly love his cutting the two off the current roster, that way he doesnt have to worry about being embarresed if the other punters beat out his 3rd round draft pick in camp. It was a boneheaded move, sometime the conventional wisdom is right.
Quote from: mtraininjax on April 29, 2012, 10:23:05 AM
If he is a Best Available Player guy, why did we end up, again, with more defensive players than offensive?
Well golly gee MTrain, if the available player was a defensive player and he was the Best according to our board, I guess we picked them.
If he had drafted a lower rated offensive player then he would be drafting need.
C'mon man, you're slipping today. Too many mimosas for brunch? ;D
Consider that, last year, teams in the NFL averaged 4.9 punts per game; doesn't that warrant having someone good at it? I'm not saying that we didn't have other needs, but I'm not freaking out about it. Our offense is going to be better, our defense is going to be better and our special teams will be as well. What's everyone crying about? Would he have been there at round 5? Who knows?
Quote from: RockStar on April 29, 2012, 12:50:12 PM
Consider that, last year, teams in the NFL averaged 4.9 punts per game; doesn't that warrant having someone good at it? I'm not saying that we didn't have other needs, but I'm not freaking out about it. Our offense is going to be better, our defense is going to be better and our special teams will be as well. What's everyone crying about? Would he have been there at round 5? Who knows?
I know, right? This has got to be the most whinging about a 3rd round pick that I've heard in a long time. Especially after two great picks in the higher rounds. Especially as it's a player who's by all accounts good at his position. Ah well, c'est la vie en nation Jaguar.
Quote from: RockStar on April 29, 2012, 12:50:12 PM
Consider that, last year, teams in the NFL averaged 4.9 punts per game; doesn't that warrant having someone good at it? I'm not saying that we didn't have other needs, but I'm not freaking out about it. Our offense is going to be better, our defense is going to be better and our special teams will be as well. What's everyone crying about? Would he have been there at round 5? Who knows?
Hacving a great punter has it benefits. giving the opposing offense the worst possiable position puts our defense in a beter position as well. Point blank, the team is going to be better all around. I didnt say elite, but better. All the complaining sometimes really urkes me. But that NFL fans period. Not just Jaguars fans.
Last year, the best punter in all of college football was Shawn Powell, a Florida State Seminole. He was
far and away the best, and a Senior to boot. He was an incredible weapon for the 'Noles and you would think our GM would know that.
SO, not only did he waste the pick, he didn't even get the best punter available. If Anger is not a top 3 punter next year then this pick will be seen as a disaster.
I don't think Powell was drafted , so it is possible that we could have signed him as an undrafted free agent.
I could see drafting a placekicker this early in the draft, after all they score tons of points.
Here is what I am talking about.
From The Sports Xchange:
Shawn Powell would have been the nations leading punter with a 47.0 yd average, but he does not have enough attempts. Still he has enabled the Seminoles to lead the nation in net punting, 42.0 yd ave. Powell has dropped 43% of his punts inside the opponents 20 yd line. He changed the game against Florida with booming punts that led to FSU's defense being in great field position to thwart the Gators offense.
Powell had 21 of his 49 punts were greater than 50 yards, including a season high 69 yarder against Oklahoma.
21 of his punts were downed inside the 20 yd line, and 12 were downed inside the 10 yard line. 63% of his punts were not returned."
IN ADDITION HE HANDLED ALL OF THE PLACEKICKS FOR THE FIELD GOAL AND PAT ATTEMPTS.
I just saw that Buffalo got him in a late round. Next January we can compare.
P.S. Powell had 49 punts last year. A minimum of 50 were required for consideration in the Lou Groza Award, given to the nations best punter.
Fans are going to complain regardless. I was just floating around to different teams websites and the 49er fans are livid that they took AJ jenkins in the first round. And guess what? You have the ones that are crying and screaming at the front office, and others that are not happy with it, but will let the front office do their job. Fans are going to complain period. I hear what your saying, but it is what it is. If anger ends up being medicore its not like the franchise and team will do down in flames. Its really not the end of the world.
Its a done deal time to move on ya think?
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on April 29, 2012, 03:17:33 PM
Its a done deal time to move on ya think?
Please say that like ten more times please. ;D
Quote from: civil42806 on April 29, 2012, 12:27:22 PM
I'm assuming Gene Smith expects our punter to be a key player for us next year. Think about that. The difference between a mediocre punter and a great one isn't that much.
really? folks sure seem to have a short memory of the amzing Matt Turk from last year
and having watched Shawn Powell punt for FSU and how often he "flipped the field", I think a really good punter can make a HUGE difference!
^^^Remember we got rid of Mark Turk for Nick Harris, which I thought did an adequate job; I'm NOT saying that he is Pro Bowl worthy by no means, but he didn't kill the Jags in term of field position like Turk did. Harris (now obviously off the roster) is more of a temporary 'stop gap' punter more than a long term guy, but I could not recall any Jag fans booing any of his punts unlike that unreliable headcase Turk. Maybe others demand that a punt routinely be coffin-corner kicked within the five yard line; Not me, along as it's within the twenty-yard line, that's alright with me; When punt returners aren't downing the ball in the endzone for touchbacks, they nearly always return it back at least to the twenty anyway. That's why I didn't agree with the pick, even if Harris wasn't the man for the job, we could have got a punter in free agency instead of getting one with the #3 pick. Now I know why I disagreed with the pick, I never was a 'best player available' guy, I'm an 'upgrade the weakest skills position/linemen' guy.
I must say this though, I always had a counter-argument for all of the people that wanted Tebow here, but I don't have any concerning this third round pick, because the Jags have needs at other key positions; So I'm like this.. ::) when it comes to anyone whining for Tebow, and I'm like this... :-X when it comes to anyone criticizing the Anger pick. That being said, I'm still hanging in there with Gene in the 'IGWT' club, and I'm not gonna question Gene's moxy anymore. The sky is definitely not falling here in Jags Land, and I'm looking forward to a great season. :)
Quote from: tufsu1 on April 29, 2012, 10:00:34 PM
Quote from: civil42806 on April 29, 2012, 12:27:22 PM
I'm assuming Gene Smith expects our punter to be a key player for us next year. Think about that. The difference between a mediocre punter and a great one isn't that much.
really? folks sure seem to have a short memory of the amzing Matt Turk from last year
and having watched Shawn Powell punt for FSU and how often he "flipped the field", I think a really good punter can make a HUGE difference!
Matt turk was not a mediocre punter he was a terrible punter there is a difference
Not to justify picking a punter with the 70th pick but consider...
With the rookie wage scale in place you are not taking much of a financial risk for "reaches".
With your first 3 picks you are looking for guys who will start on opening day. Anger will start on day 1.
It is possible that the other 3rd round picks the Jags had targeted... none would have been a starter.
Sigh... my entire argument sounds like... picking a punter in the third round. (just bad) :D
Not all accounts Bleacher Report had him listed as third best punter who often out kicks his coverage.
^Bleacher Report is written by random fans with no editorial control. It has all the authority and insight of the jacksonville.com comments section.
I, for one, can't wait until Bryan Anger meets the Colts' Pat Angerer.
That confrontation should be explosive.
QuoteQuote from: Keith-N-Jax on Yesterday at 03:17:33 PM
Its a done deal time to move on ya think?
Please say that like ten more times please.
Ha ha, good one, if that was the case, all old threads would remain dead and never resurrect themselves.
Fact of the matter is that Smith and Mularkey picked 5 defensive players, one a punter who may get on the field 4-8 times a game, when in fact they could have used that pick for an OT or OG who could have given Gabbert a second or two to throw the ball to the new receivers, putting points on the board and winning games.
PUNTERS do not win NFL games for you. QBs and TDs win games. The thinking at the Jaguars totally misses that point. Smith better hope Anger scores TDs for the team, his butt is riding on this pick, and his defensive picks.
We're going to be hurting at line if we have the same issues as last year, then it won't matter if Jimmy Smith himself is on the field, Gabbert will reacquaint himself with the Everbank field turf.
Quote from: JeffreyS on April 30, 2012, 08:03:49 AM
Not all accounts Bleacher Report had him listed as third best punter who often out kicks his coverage.
Bleacher Report is just fan blogs. Not a real source for information.
Quote from: mtraininjax on April 30, 2012, 08:57:29 AM
PUNTERS do not win NFL games for you. QBs and TDs win games. The thinking at the Jaguars totally misses that point. Smith better hope Anger scores TDs for the team, his butt is riding on this pick, and his defensive picks.
Maybe not. But we definitely saw last year that punters can LOSE games for you. Bust Gene all you want, but the 3rd round has been his golden round - Cox, Knighton & Rackley aren't bad, so for him to pass on other positions for a punter.... we'll see. Maybe this Anger kid has a foot like a PW and can drop the ball where he needs to - I don't know.
Quote3RD ROUND: BRYAN ANGER, P, CALIFORNIA
D: This grade isn’t an indictment of Anger’s talent. He has a big leg and is proficient at pinning opponents inside the 20. But taking a punter in the third round is unacceptable for a team with the holes the Jaguars had to fill on both lines, plus depth at cornerback. Having a great punter over an average one doesn’t provide a substantial enough advantage to justify investing a third-round selection.
http://jacksonville.com/sports/columnists/gene-frenette/2012-04-29/story/gene-frenette-jaguars-filled-needs-didnt-add-much#ixzz1tWsLeo5L (http://jacksonville.com/sports/columnists/gene-frenette/2012-04-29/story/gene-frenette-jaguars-filled-needs-didnt-add-much#ixzz1tWsLeo5L)
Frenette's column and grades for the Jags players. He was being Kind to Khan with only a D for a punter taken in the 3rd round.
Out of all the teams that made the playoffs last year, how many said it was because of the punter? The QB position is what gets you there, you can have a crappy D, as the Packers did, and still make it because of Aaron Rodgers. No one says Ray Guy was the reason Oakland won Super Bowls. Wake up Jags fans and smell what you are shoveling!
I simply do not believe this issue is worth all the attention it's getting.
Can we go back to talking about Blackmon now?
+1. I sort of wish that we'd have given up our third rounder to move up for Blackmon (which still might have been marginally acceptable). Then we could have picked up Anger in the 4th & all of this second guessing would be moot. The only thing that bugs me about the responses from Gene & Mike were that essentially everyone drafted beyond Anger is probably a "non-starter". Why not bundle up picks 5, 6, & 7 and trade for a veteran if that's the mentality?
Quote from: kells904 on April 30, 2012, 09:52:26 AM
I simply do not believe this issue is worth all the attention it's getting.
+100-and the dead horse is still getting beat.
Quote from: Tacachale on April 30, 2012, 10:16:06 AM
Can we go back to talking about Blackmon now?
I think its easier to complain about something we didnt like, versus focus on the good things that did happen.
Quote from: duvaldude08 on April 30, 2012, 10:35:22 AM
Quote from: Tacachale on April 30, 2012, 10:16:06 AM
Can we go back to talking about Blackmon now?
I think its easier to complain about something we didnt like, versus focus on the good things that did happen.
I think it's easiest to drink the Kool-Aid because doing so doesn't temper expectations for the highly anticipated football season.....while it's harder to accept that your GM has a little Al Davis deep inside him that has to come out every so often to say "See I'm the smartest guy in the room."
Quote from: Gators312 on April 30, 2012, 10:46:02 AM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on April 30, 2012, 10:35:22 AM
Quote from: Tacachale on April 30, 2012, 10:16:06 AM
Can we go back to talking about Blackmon now?
I think its easier to complain about something we didnt like, versus focus on the good things that did happen.
I think it's easiest to drink the Kool-Aid because doing so doesn't temper expectations for the highly anticipated football season.....while it's harder to accept that your GM has a little Al Davis deep inside him that has to come out every so often to say "See I'm the smartest guy in the room."
And it's easier still to pin everything that goes wrong with the team on the GM.
Quote from: Tacachale on April 30, 2012, 10:50:50 AM
Quote from: Gators312 on April 30, 2012, 10:46:02 AM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on April 30, 2012, 10:35:22 AM
Quote from: Tacachale on April 30, 2012, 10:16:06 AM
Can we go back to talking about Blackmon now?
I think its easier to complain about something we didnt like, versus focus on the good things that did happen.
I think it's easiest to drink the Kool-Aid because doing so doesn't temper expectations for the highly anticipated football season.....while it's harder to accept that your GM has a little Al Davis deep inside him that has to come out every so often to say "See I'm the smartest guy in the room."
And it's easier still to pin everything that goes wrong with the team on the GM.
Of course :D
Quote from: Gators312 on April 30, 2012, 10:46:02 AM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on April 30, 2012, 10:35:22 AM
Quote from: Tacachale on April 30, 2012, 10:16:06 AM
Can we go back to talking about Blackmon now?
I think its easier to complain about something we didnt like, versus focus on the good things that did happen.
I think it's easiest to drink the Kool-Aid because doing so doesn't temper expectations for the highly anticipated football season.....while it's harder to accept that your GM has a little Al Davis deep inside him that has to come out every so often to say "See I'm the smartest guy in the room."
Al Davis did draft two specialists in the 1st & 5th rounds back in '00. How'd that work out for him BTW?
We can't move on until tomorrow. We all got to work today and the jags love fest from the water cooler on Friday is now about the GM making the franchise look foolish. This to will pass but not today clearly the Jags draft out kicked Gene's coverage in the third. Anger says he was surprised.
Quote from: duvaldude08 on April 30, 2012, 10:55:53 AM
Quote from: Tacachale on April 30, 2012, 10:50:50 AM
Quote from: Gators312 on April 30, 2012, 10:46:02 AM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on April 30, 2012, 10:35:22 AM
Quote from: Tacachale on April 30, 2012, 10:16:06 AM
Can we go back to talking about Blackmon now?
I think its easier to complain about something we didnt like, versus focus on the good things that did happen.
I think it's easiest to drink the Kool-Aid because doing so doesn't temper expectations for the highly anticipated football season.....while it's harder to accept that your GM has a little Al Davis deep inside him that has to come out every so often to say "See I'm the smartest guy in the room."
And it's easier still to pin everything that goes wrong with the team on the GM.
Of course :D
I understand the Kool aid tastes good to you guys, but really?!?! Are your teal glasses that thick?
Gene Smith shouldn't have criticism of Gene Smith's decisions pinned on him?!?
What a joke......I can't believe that you are on board with a punter in the 3rd round when there was depth building personnel at OL. Remember the OL?!? you know those guys who gave Gabbert an inclination to go into the fetal position as soon as the ball was hiked? You know the position where injuries are more prevalent???
The Blackmon pick gave me hope for Gene's decision making, best possible thing to do in a scenario where trading down might not have had much value, where picking 7th wasn't attractive for need. Getting help at DE was good, but then it's like he checked out....
Keep defending Gene like he's your Mother, it's okay I understand you love the Jags, but the organization can do better.
Quote from: mtraininjax on April 30, 2012, 09:17:53 AM
Out of all the teams that made the playoffs last year, how many said it was because of the punter? The QB position is what gets you there, you can have a crappy D, as the Packers did, and still make it because of Aaron Rodgers. No one says Ray Guy was the reason Oakland won Super Bowls. Wake up Jags fans and smell what you are shoveling!
Nobody will ever say a team won a Super Bowl because of one guy. Even as good as Eli Manning was last year, the Giants aren't winning the Super Bowl without Pierre-Paul, Tuck and Osi. It's a team game.
QuoteKeep defending Gene like he's your Mother, it's okay I understand you love the Jags, but the organization can do better.
+10000
Most of these people would walk through hell in a gasoline suit for Gene Smith. We should have a thread for the Gene Smith lovefest.
If you want a thread on Blackmon, start one. This thread is about the 2012 NFL Draft and the bonehead move to draft a punter is an excellent topic to discuss, especially when the local media even have a problem with the pick when there are still many needs that were not filled. BAP or not, we had 2 punters in camp and did not need a new one, when we have issues on OL and DB.
QuoteNobody will ever say a team won a Super Bowl because of one guy. Even as good as Eli Manning was last year, the Giants aren't winning the Super Bowl without Pierre-Paul, Tuck and Osi. It's a team game.
But the simple fact that Eli Manning won games for them, is enough for me. Manning had time to throw, and he had weapons. Sure the weapons helped him, but he had time to complete passes, and he is an accomplished QB in a great system, so anyone new they throw in there for him to receive, should do fine. Two Super Bowls to his name, I'd say he gets more credit than the PUNTER. Rodgers winning games for the Packers, Favre before him, Brees for the Saints, it all comes down to the play of the QB. You don't hear games where the Punter won the game for the team.
It was a dumb pick when there are other areas that were weaknesses last year, and god forbid we have injuries, will be problems again this year.
Not even Josh Scobee was a 3rd round pick, he was a 5th round selection, and he is really darn good!
Fine. Let's criticise the pick to death. Let's string up Gene based on his punter pick. The fans are always right.
Jesus.
IF..... IF the guy ends up being a perennial probowler and performs his job at a high level, will you still blast the pick? Probably.
Kool Aid tastes better than Hater-Aid.
People will totally forget about the third round choice when Blaine is throwing TDs to Blackmon this year; This is another case of the 'right now' society that we live in. If it's any consolidation to the ones that what Gene out, NFL Network's Rich Eisen said that "Anger isn't just a punter, he's a weapon!" LOL. If yall don't like the pick, voice your 'anger' at the Jags game by purchasing the Anger jersey. You can believe that people are gonna buy that jersey just for the name alone. I guess that this is 'sorta' a win-win for all of the Jag fans. ;)
QuoteIF..... IF the guy ends up being a perennial probowler and performs his job at a high level, will you still blast the pick? Probably.
God I hope so. We have not had a draft pick go to the Pro Bowl since MJD and Mercedes Lewis from our 2006 draft. So either we are drafting zeros or they have not succeeded enough to make into an elite status. So been a few drafts since we had a Pro Bowl talent.
Not Hate-Aid, probably Anger-Aid.
So the numbers dudes, riddle me this, Look at the drafts over the last few years, in 2012 - we take 5 Defensive players and 1 offensive, 2011 - we took 3 offensive and 2 defensive players, then in 2010 - we took 5 defensive and 1 offensive. The offensive player, Karim was waived recently, so 13 defensive players to go with 3 offensive.
We may just get the number 1 D in the NFL by the time Smith ends up spending all of Khan's money. I know we gave up a pick to get Blackmon, but we have only had 17 picks in 3 years. Hard to build teams around new talent with so few picks.
QuoteNFL's Network's Rich Eisen said that "Anger isn't just a punter, he's a weapon!" LOL.
Like putting lipstick on a pig.
If they give a punter his own "fan" jersey, I think I may throw up on it.
We use a forth rounder on Podlish it works out so we don't resign him. We sign Matt Turk a 137 year old booming punter and try to make him a directional kicker. Cut him so we can waste a third round pick. Is next year the one where we make history with a first round punter. This is inexcusable, Gene was having a good Draft if he had sent up Zebrie Sanders OT name to the stadium it would be Gene Smith party day.
Unless Anger is all pro for many years this is a wasted pick. Even if he works out it is a bad pick.
Quote from: mtraininjax on April 30, 2012, 11:34:49 AM
QuoteNobody will ever say a team won a Super Bowl because of one guy. Even as good as Eli Manning was last year, the Giants aren't winning the Super Bowl without Pierre-Paul, Tuck and Osi. It's a team game.
But the simple fact that Eli Manning won games for them, is enough for me. Manning had time to throw, and he had weapons. Sure the weapons helped him, but he had time to complete passes, and he is an accomplished QB in a great system, so anyone new they throw in there for him to receive, should do fine. Two Super Bowls to his name, I'd say he gets more credit than the PUNTER. Rodgers winning games for the Packers, Favre before him, Brees for the Saints, it all comes down to the play of the QB. You don't hear games where the Punter won the game for the team.
It was a dumb pick when there are other areas that were weaknesses last year, and god forbid we have injuries, will be problems again this year.
Not even Josh Scobee was a 3rd round pick, he was a 5th round selection, and he is really darn good!
What's your point? Quarterbacks are more important than punters?
Quote from: copperfiend on April 30, 2012, 12:20:26 PM
What's your point? Quarterbacks are more important than punters?
This brings up a good diversion from the punter issue we seem to be having this morning. Sure. It's a strange pick that goes against the grain of everything, but it also solidifies Gene's BAP philosophy. If he didn't have him at the top of the board, he wouldn't have drafted him.
About quarterbacks - Washington Redskins moved up to be able to draft RG3 with the 2nd pick in the draft. Why did they select Cousins in round 4? Two QB's in the draft with 2.5 already on the roster?
Let's quit bashing the Jags and start bashing the Redskins front office for a bit.
I honestly don't even have an issue with the Cousins pick. In 1995, Coughlin drafted Rob Johnson after trading two picks to get Mark Brunell. He turned that into a first rounder a few years later. Not saying Cousins will be worth that but sometimes it is worth the risk.
QuoteWhat's your point? Quarterbacks are more important than punters?
Why would I bash the Redskins? I don't have season tickets to the 'skins, and literally no skin in the game with them. A terrible waste of oxygen.
I think Eli Manning, Peyton Manning, Favre, Big Ben, Rodgers, Brees all speak for themselves. The league has become a QB league. Look at what MJD did last year, lead the NFL in rushing and the Jags were still 5-11. To win, you have to pass, and when you score, you really don't have much need for a 3rd round punter.
Did the Jags send a message that they don't plan to score as much with a great punter? Mixed signals here.
It's tough to pass the ball when you're pinned inside your 10 yard line.
You wanted depth - here you go:
LSU defensive end Kendrick Adams
UTEP running back Joe Banyard
Northern Colorado tackle Lee Barbiasz
UTEP cornerback Antwon Blake
Virginia Tech receiver Jarrett Boykin
Ohio State center Mike Brewster
Bethune-Cookman defensive end Ryan Davis
Langston cornerback Antonio Dennard
Florida A&M receiver Kevin Elliott
Texas State guard D.J. Hall
Murray State cornerback Dontrel Johnson
Western Michigan defensive tackle Drew Nowak
UCLA receiver Nelson Rosario
Cincinnati linebacker J.K. Schaffer
Wagner linebacker Julian Stanford
Memphis defensive end Frank Trotter
North Dakota tight end Matt Veldman.
Quote from: JeffreyS on April 30, 2012, 12:08:54 PM
We use a forth rounder on Podlish it works out so we don't resign him.
Podlesh worked out really well.....so well that the Jags didn't get much of a chance to resign him as Chicago threw some major cash his way.
QuotePodlesh worked out really well.....so well that the Jags didn't get much of a chance to resign him as Chicago threw some major cash his way.
Adam Podlesh was a great asset to the team, we only used a 4th round pick with him, but that year we had 11 total picks in the 2007 draft. He had We could have paid him more, probably would have, if Khan had been there, as he was a great fit with Scobee. It would have been easier to pay the man, than to use a pick in the 2012 draft and one of our 6 total draft picks.
Then I see this on the NFL network and I think I just threw up in my mouth:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d828c29ee/article/jaguars-gm-thinks-team-will-be-a-playoff-contender?module=HP11_headline_stack (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d828c29ee/article/jaguars-gm-thinks-team-will-be-a-playoff-contender?module=HP11_headline_stack)
From NFL.COM
QuoteThis is a quarterback league, however, and we simply don't believe in Jacksonville's quarterback position. Gabbert has to be a lot better for the Jaguars to contend.
Gabbert has to be a lot better for the Jaguars to contend? That's really going out on a limb.
Quote from: mtraininjax on April 30, 2012, 01:29:51 PM
QuoteWhat's your point? Quarterbacks are more important than punters?
Why would I bash the Redskins? I don't have season tickets to the 'skins, and literally no skin in the game with them. A terrible waste of oxygen.
I think Eli Manning, Peyton Manning, Favre, Big Ben, Rodgers, Brees all speak for themselves. The league has become a QB league. Look at what MJD did last year, lead the NFL in rushing and the Jags were still 5-11. To win, you have to pass, and when you score, you really don't have much need for a 3rd round punter.
Did the Jags send a message that they don't plan to score as much with a great punter? Mixed signals here.
For the record, the last time a punter went in the third round was 2004, when the Packers did it. The Packers QB was Favre. Why did they? Because they didn't plan to score as much with a great punter?
And how did Mr. B.J. Sander do for the mighty Pack? Where is he now: Probably playing golf with Matt Jones.
QuoteHe was selected in the third round of the 2004 NFL Draft by the Packers. The following year, he played in NFL Europe, and punted respectably for the first half of the following regular season. However, once the cold weather started in Green Bay, Sander struggled, and ended up near the bottom of the punter rankings.
Sander was released by Green Bay on August 21, 2006. Jon Ryan became the team's primary punter.
On March 5, 2007, the St. Louis Rams signed Sander; they released him on April 21, 2007.
You didn't answer my question. You say you need a third round punter when you have an elite QB but the Packers did just that in 2004.
And it was a mistake in 2004 also...
Here's my take on it: if you thought he was the best available player, but you had a good idea that no one rated him higher than round 5 at best, why not try to trade down? They could have gotten at least a little extra value while still getting their punter. I think the guy will be a great punter based on the little bit of footage I've seen, but the situation seems like a missed opportunity in lots of ways. That's what's lamentable.
QuoteYou didn't answer my question. You say you need a third round punter when you have an elite QB but the Packers did just that in 2004.
What was the question again?
The 2004 packers went 10-6 that year, but the Jags did beat them in Cheeseland, 28-25. I don't think you draft a punter period, but we did with Podlesh and then pissed him away because we had cheap SOBs running the show last year, and they brought in Captain Shank, then found Harris. But the punter did not win or lose us games, our QB play was a major issue. Our OL also broke down and caused issued for our QB. So again, is it worth more to have an OL at the 3rd pick who will play a LOT more plays than the punter and gain you yards to lead to points, or is it better to have a punter who can get you a few more yards for your Defense? Based on our offensive performance last year, I'd have taken a lineman at that pick. So a punter was the best available player at that spot, 70th pick in the draft. WOW!
Man we can't get a break. We are working out a kicker name "Long Ding". How about just work out the Scobee contract and stop wasting time.
hmm - reminds me of Harry Colon from the early years.....
Quote from: comncense on May 01, 2012, 12:39:26 PM
Man we can't get a break. We are working out a kicker name "Long Ding". How about just work out the Scobee contract and stop wasting time.
I very much doubt Long Ding is going to stay around or is being auditioned as a Scobee replacement. Even teams with great kickers commonly bring in a second kicker for training camp/preseason. Last year it was Sam Swank.
^ I just wish they could have spared the team getting jeered due to the dude's name. Yes, I'm sure he won't make the team though.
Not to drag out the dead horse to beat up again but....
Yeah, had the team handled the Adam Podlesh situation correctly, we wouldn't have needed to waste a draft pick on a punter this year.
QuoteMan we can't get a break. We are working out a kicker name "Long Ding". How about just work out the Scobee contract and stop wasting time.
Smith needs to go! This is a complete waste of time.
Really?? you guys ripping/making fun of a guy because of his name?? get a life ppl..
"You guys" aren't ripping the dude however people have been killing the Jaguars on their timeline about it all day. That's all i was point out.
The dude is not gonna make the team...they just have to bring in a person to kick in place of scobee absent.
Quote from: mtraininjax on May 01, 2012, 03:39:01 PM
Smith needs to go! This is a complete waste of time.
Hmmmmmm........ MTrain - you must wield some power down there at everbank field.
I just pulled this from the archives.....
Quote from: mtraininjax on May 01, 2001, 07:38:33 PM
Coughlin needs to go! This is a complete waste of time.
Just over decade to the day..... SCARY.
Quote from: comncense on May 01, 2012, 12:39:26 PM
Man we can't get a break. We are working out a kicker name "Long Ding". How about just work out the Scobee contract and stop wasting time.
Long Ding and Youbooty on one team. Thats a bunch of Mularkey! ;D
Quote from: duvaldude08 on May 01, 2012, 11:32:34 PM
Quote from: comncense on May 01, 2012, 12:39:26 PM
Man we can't get a break. We are working out a kicker name "Long Ding". How about just work out the Scobee contract and stop wasting time.
Long Ding and Youbooty on one team. Thats a bunch of Mularkey! ;D
;D ;D ;D
Quote from: comncense on May 01, 2012, 12:39:26 PM
Man we can't get a break. We are working out a kicker name "Long Ding". How about just work out the Scobee contract and stop wasting time.
It's a tryout and he's not even under contract. Not a big deal. And look at every other team this August. They will all have two kickers.
Wow - this dude from SI already has Jacksonville selecting QB Tyler Wilson with the first pick in the 2013 NFL draft..... ???
http://www.cnnsi.com/2012/writers/andrew_perloff/05/01/2013.nfl.mock.draft/index.html
Quote from: blizz01 on May 02, 2012, 12:04:46 PM
Wow - this dude from SI already has Jacksonville selecting QB Tyler Wilson with the first pick in the 2013 NFL draft..... ???
http://www.cnnsi.com/2012/writers/andrew_perloff/05/01/2013.nfl.mock.draft/index.html
Dude, you've got to stay away from national writers - they are too afraid to go against the grain of their peers. SI, ESPN, NFLN, Yahoo Sports, etc - it's the same thing regurgitated over and over.
I'm going to help you out and give you a link to (at least in my opinion) one of the best independent sites that puts together draft info, FA info and such. From what I've read here for the past 2 years, I've pretty much agreed with - and it's not that it's pro-Jags, it's just move even keeled.
http://walterfootball.com/
An excerpt about the Jags premature 2013 draft they have the Jags with the 8th selection:
QuoteI don't know if finishing with the eighth-worst record in the NFL will be enough to fire Gene Smith. If it's not, he'll stubbornly stick with Blaine Gabbert for one more season.
Smith could address the cornerback position next April. Derek Cox, Rashean Mathis, William Middleton and Ashton Youboty are ALL set to hit free agency in March 2013. If so, Tyrann Mathieu seems like the sort of highly productive collegiate player Smith would draft.
It'll be interesting to see what happens with Mathieu. He's so talented, but very undersized (5-9). I suspect he'll go somewhere in the 11-20 range if he has a strong 2012 campaign (though higher here because of Smith). He'll definitely be chosen in the first round though; Brandon Flowers is also 5-9, and he's one of the top cornerbacks in the league, so Mathieu's height isn't a huge deal.
That same guy from SI (Andrew Perloff) wrote last year that the team regrets passing on Tebow because all of our games are blacked out. After he received email saying he was dead wrong...{poof}...it was deleted from the site.
Sports writing and commentating has always been the biggest cesspool in the entire field of journalism, and it's only gotten worse in the age of the web and 24 hour networks. It combines the worst elements of celebrity reporting, film/cultural "criticism", and half-assed business coverage. But people love their sports, so for whatever reason they're willing to listen to random nitwits just sit around and talk about sports (or worse, talk about people talking about sports, in those annoying cases where media coverage of sports becomes a story in and of itself). The vastest majority of sports coverage is sound and fury, signifying nothing.
Quote from: Tacachale on May 02, 2012, 01:46:26 PM
Sports writing and commentating has always been the biggest cesspool in the entire field of journalism, and it's only gotten worse in the age of the web and 24 hour networks. It combines the worst elements of celebrity reporting, film/cultural "criticism", and half-assed business coverage. But people love their sports, so for whatever reason they're willing to listen to random nitwits just sit around and talk about sports (or worse, talk about people talking about sports, in those annoying cases where media coverage of sports becomes a story in and of itself). The vastest majority of sports coverage is sound and fury, signifying nothing.
Is it any different on the political front? Nope.
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on May 02, 2012, 02:05:58 PM
Quote from: Tacachale on May 02, 2012, 01:46:26 PM
Sports writing and commentating has always been the biggest cesspool in the entire field of journalism, and it's only gotten worse in the age of the web and 24 hour networks. It combines the worst elements of celebrity reporting, film/cultural "criticism", and half-assed business coverage. But people love their sports, so for whatever reason they're willing to listen to random nitwits just sit around and talk about sports (or worse, talk about people talking about sports, in those annoying cases where media coverage of sports becomes a story in and of itself). The vastest majority of sports coverage is sound and fury, signifying nothing.
Is it any different on the political front? Nope.
With us drafting blackmon were going to have all types of attention from now until the end of the season. Some will be negative, hopefully there will be some positive. So we might as well get used to it early.