Everytime I come on this site, I'm always hoping to find something about progress being made. I always hope to hear that the city has changed it's ways and will start doing things differently; things will be done to move forward. I know it's a long shot, but there's still that little hope that I have. But it's always the same old. If anything, it's just more bad news; whether it be another building demolished or whether it be something else that could actually bring vibrancy that the city says NO to. Mayor Brown has talked a lot on Downtown. Honestly, I wonder sometimes if he even has open ears to the public. I wonder if anything will even change during his term. Right now, I just don't see things getting better. I don't see Jacksonville becoming the city that all of us dream of it to be. We deserve to hear about progress being made. We deserve a better Jacksonville. It should be our time to see things be done. We want a city we can be proud of. Why do they want to keep that from us?
Ya know buddy, Im not sure. I hope things change under this adminstration. I dont expect a complete turn around, but to be finally headed in the right direction. Our fight now is the idiots on the city council, not the mayor. Until we weed out these idiots, there wont be a complete turn around and I hate to say that. I was born and raised here and love my city dearly. I can only wish for the best. It does hurt to see how behind our downtown is. I mean really? I dont even go to public meetings. After reading the minutes from the Hemming plaza meeting, Ive been scared off. I am very passionate about this city. If I go to athose meetings, I will click on them and get put out. So I stay my ass on here and get the updates. LMAO I cant stand stupidity and plenty of it runs throughout this city.
PS. Did I say I was tipsy right now? ;D
^^ Hope you are correct Duval Dude. Additionally, future administrations would have to be driven in the same direction.
I never want to say , It cannot get any worse. I would no doubt be eating those words.
PS.... sleepy but not tipsy right now :o
The good news is that Scott Wilson is noticing a meeting on the Shipyards/Landmar 680' Pier and he told me this on the phone yesterday afternoon about 3:30 12 hours ago. I'm wide awake and very shortly we will all know to tell the world
VISIT JACKSONVILLE
or
DON"T VISIT JACKSONVILLE
Any MJ'er especially anti-redpier (I'm kidding, little joke) give Scott a call 630-1377 and report back on this forum. You can ask for Don. Maybe you will actually speak with him and then report back on this forum with a statewide update if we will have access to our St. Johns River our American Heritage River a Federal Initiative. At the very least when will be the noticed meeting. Somebody else make a CALL. Please.
Don't sit on your hands having your own pity party. Participate in the legislative process. Definately want to hear from the Urban Core CPAC if anyone calls Scott and Don 630-1377 and ask when is the noticed meeting.
This is HUGE.
Also the good news is that free parking for city council members 2012-202 still pending active legislation will include an amendment to make it retroactive that the parking bennie will expand to all previous people who served on the city council and will extend to their heirs as well.
Quote from: Noone on April 20, 2012, 04:13:25 AM
Also the good news is that free parking for city council members 2012-202 still pending active legislation will include an amendment to make it retroactive that the parking bennie will expand to all previous people who served on the city council and will extend to their heirs as well.
How is this good?
"Also the good news is that free parking for city council members 2012-202 still pending active legislation will include an amendment to make it retroactive that the parking bennie will expand to all previous people who served on the city council and will extend to their heirs as well. "
Dude is this a real late April fools joke or what
Quote from: obie1 on April 21, 2012, 09:46:25 PM
"Also the good news is that free parking for city council members 2012-202 still pending active legislation will include an amendment to make it retroactive that the parking bennie will expand to all previous people who served on the city council and will extend to their heirs as well. "
:o This is good because........................................................?
Any good news? No, because yall don't wanna hear any regardless.
Yall let the city's admin settle in a lil' before yall start rambling about complacent conservative politics. Alvin have not even been in there for a freaking year yet! The good news? Not to get too political, but how bout the recent TU positive approval ratings of the mayor, the sheriff, and even the Jags owner (BTW with both the resident democrats, and republicans)? How bout the million saved by cutting the new furniture in the 7th floor judges area of the new courthouse (they're getting the old furniture of the old courthouse)? How bout that new green company that came in town? There are some positive things in this city that goes unreported on MJ. Yall just like to unrealistically try to make Jax a two world city, the suburban world, and the urban world; IMO it's VERY silly to have the mindset of "anything that happens in the suburban world does not matter at all" because yall are in a very high minority in Jax that lives by that philosophy. In a recession laden era, new 50 story gleaming towers, and revitalized bustling DT parks don't grow overnight, these things take time; Right now this is a baby step approach you know the 'crawl before you walk' era because the COJ isn't exactly overflowing at the seams with money right now. Good news is what you make it to be, and if it isn't something significant to DT, yall totally turn a blind eye to it anyway.
There's "good news" all around. In fact, from my perspective what's happening in Downtown and the surronding neighborhoods is mostly good news. All depends on how you look at it, I guess.
Quote from: I-10east on April 22, 2012, 06:54:49 AM
Any good news? No, because yall don't wanna hear any regardless.
Yall let the city's admin settle in a lil' before yall start rambling about complacent conservative politics. Alvin have not even been in there for a freaking year yet! The good news? Not to get too political, but how bout the recent TU positive approval ratings of the mayor, the sheriff, and even the Jags owner (BTW with both the resident democrats, and republicans)? How bout the million saved by cutting the new furniture in the 7th floor judges area of the new courthouse (they're getting the old furniture of the old courthouse)? How bout that new green company that came in town? There are some positive things in this city that goes unreported on MJ. Yall just like to unrealistically try to make Jax a two world city, the suburban world, and the urban world; IMO it's VERY silly to have the mindset of "anything that happens in the suburban world does not matter at all" because yall are in a very high minority in Jax that lives by that philosophy. In a recession laden era, new 50 story gleaming towers, and revitalized bustling DT parks don't grow overnight, these things take time; Right now this is a baby step approach you know the 'crawl before you walk' era because the COJ isn't exactly overflowing at the seams with money right now. Good news is what you make it to be, and if it isn't something significant to DT, yall totally turn a blind eye to it anyway.
"Yall" does not turn a blind eye to everything. Some of us "yall's" grew up in this city and watched it go from thriving (downtown) to DEAD. They saved a million by cutting out some new furniture expense in the Judges waiting area? Wonderful ( news to me ) . They could have cut HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS by not building the stupid ugly Courthouse we did not need in the first place and investing that SIZEABLE amount into revitalizing our very hurting downtown. Would have been far more wisely spent. For a fraction they could have overhauled the existing building a floor at a time.
Please ...when you come on babbling about the miniscule changes that we do see, know that we appreciate any move forward. So much STUPID mentality has been in motion for 5 decades costing probably billions of dollars, and what does our downtown have to show for it?
A few remaining buildings that are partially, at best , occupied. Many modern buildings sitting empty, many historic buildings not only sitting empty but falling apart, a gung-ho mentality that these places must be destroyed . A seemingly endless supply of money to bulldoze anything and everything ....but no money for anything else that would/could make sense, A City Hall that represents one restored building in 40 years for it's own use, otherwise it too would probably have been bulldozed. ( You see we have practically nobody in downtown but WE NEED more empty lots and parking garages...this is a MUST , A new Federal Courthouse (Replacing Robert Meyer Hotel ) and that god awful monstrosity you are ranting about them saving 1 million on furniture on.. big deal ! WE the taxpayers will be paying for that building when the damn thing is torn down 100 years or less from now. At this stage , that one Million could do about 100 useful projects around our downtown that would actually benefit people, but do you think that money will be applied to ANYTHING which could benefit us? If I was a betting man , Id place this bet. We see the changes. Pointless creations such as our lovely new Courthouse , which not even open yet , is LEAKING.. do not benefit us at all. Where you are correct , to an extent is , we have a fresh administration and even though I was among those that voted for them, I am not ready to say I think they are doing everything they COULD be doing .. perhaps they are and I just cannot see it yet.
For me, "Complacent Conservative Politics" was not even a factor.....The track record of the last 4 decades at least, plays a lot into my skepticism . TU's mayoral approval rating of the Mayor and the Sheriff? okay.. that and $4.00 will get you a cup of Starbucks coffee. As to their approval rating of Mr Khan, we do not need their approval rating , I believe most of us are glad and appreciative that Mr. Khan is in Jacksonville and we look forward to his contributions , for which I am sure it goes without saying, will be stellar.
Your statement " Any good news? No , because yall don't want to hear any regardless" is especially inaccurate. WE ALL want and appreciate hearing good news. We know downtown cannot and will not be transformed overnight. We know one administration is not going to be capable of making all of the changes and choices we will need to make to make our downtown , viable again.
As the poster , Bill , stated we see good news all around....and we are appreciative.
Quote from: Timkin on April 22, 2012, 03:19:02 PM
Quote from: I-10east on April 22, 2012, 06:54:49 AM
Any good news? No, because yall don't wanna hear any regardless.
Yall let the city's admin settle in a lil' before yall start rambling about complacent conservative politics. Alvin have not even been in there for a freaking year yet! The good news? Not to get too political, but how bout the recent TU positive approval ratings of the mayor, the sheriff, and even the Jags owner (BTW with both the resident democrats, and republicans)? How bout the million saved by cutting the new furniture in the 7th floor judges area of the new courthouse (they're getting the old furniture of the old courthouse)? How bout that new green company that came in town? There are some positive things in this city that goes unreported on MJ. Yall just like to unrealistically try to make Jax a two world city, the suburban world, and the urban world; IMO it's VERY silly to have the mindset of "anything that happens in the suburban world does not matter at all" because yall are in a very high minority in Jax that lives by that philosophy. In a recession laden era, new 50 story gleaming towers, and revitalized bustling DT parks don't grow overnight, these things take time; Right now this is a baby step approach you know the 'crawl before you walk' era because the COJ isn't exactly overflowing at the seams with money right now. Good news is what you make it to be, and if it isn't something significant to DT, yall totally turn a blind eye to it anyway.
"Yall" does not turn a blind eye to everything. Some of us "yall's" grew up in this city and watched it go from thriving (downtown) to DEAD. They saved a million by cutting out some new furniture expense in the Judges waiting area? Wonderful ( news to me ) . They could have cut HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS by not building the stupid ugly Courthouse we did not need in the first place and investing that SIZEABLE amount into revitalizing our very hurting downtown. Would have been far more wisely spent. For a fraction they could have overhauled the existing building a floor at a time.
Please ...when you come on babbling about the miniscule changes that we do see, know that we appreciate any move forward. So much STUPID mentality has been in motion for 5 decades costing probably billions of dollars, and what does our downtown have to show for it?
A few remaining buildings that are partially, at best , occupied. Many modern buildings sitting empty, many historic buildings not only sitting empty but falling apart, a gung-ho mentality that these places must be destroyed . A seemingly endless supply of money to bulldoze anything and everything ....but no money for anything else that would/could make sense, A City Hall that represents one restored building in 40 years for it's own use, otherwise it too would probably have been bulldozed. ( You see we have practically nobody in downtown but WE NEED more empty lots and parking garages...this is a MUST , A new Federal Courthouse (Replacing Robert Meyer Hotel ) and that god awful monstrosity you are ranting about them saving 1 million on furniture on.. big deal ! WE the taxpayers will be paying for that building when the damn thing is torn down 100 years or less from now. At this stage , that one Million could do about 100 useful projects around our downtown that would actually benefit people, but do you think that money will be applied to ANYTHING which could benefit us? If I was a betting man , Id place this bet. We see the changes. Pointless creations such as our lovely new Courthouse , which not even open yet , is LEAKING.. do not benefit us at all. Where you are correct , to an extent is , we have a fresh administration and even though I was among those that voted for them, I am not ready to say I think they are doing everything they COULD be doing .. perhaps they are and I just cannot see it yet.
For me, "Complacent Conservative Politics" was not even a factor.....The track record of the last 4 decades at least, plays a lot into my skepticism . TU's mayoral approval rating of the Mayor and the Sheriff? okay.. that and $4.00 will get you a cup of Starbucks coffee. As to their approval rating of Mr Khan, we do not need their approval rating , I believe most of us are glad and appreciative that Mr. Khan is in Jacksonville and we look forward to his contributions , for which I am sure it goes without saying, will be stellar.
Your statement " Any good news? No , because yall don't want to hear any regardless" is especially inaccurate. WE ALL want and appreciate hearing good news. We know downtown cannot and will not be transformed overnight. We know one administration is not going to be capable of making all of the changes and choices we will need to make to make our downtown , viable again.
As the poster , Bill , stated we see good news all around....and we are appreciative.
I moved to Jax in 1979 at the age of 7. In the very early 80s, we would go downtown and shop at Sears, May Cohen's and (I think) JC Penny. They were on their last legs. I've seen Downtown dwindle and die. I honestly didn't believe it could get any worse than it was when I was in College in the 90s. I honestly think things have gotten worse since getting a football team (aside from the new stadium, baseball park and arena... those and the surrounding areas are an improvement).
I am hopeful things will change and I see some real appetite for it. I think people seem to be having conversations they should've had a long time ago. But it's hard to be positive when people talk, but the city fathers don't do anything.
I come back home once a year and get the advantage of seeing the city in annual snapshots. The recession really hurt Jacksonville. Downtown Jacksonville looks like a ghost town full of empty lots and homeless people. It's really sad.
I think a lot of other cities would kill for some of the things we have (one being an amazing river running through the center of town). We have potential, but in large part it seems like wasted potential to me.
I love Jacksonville, but part of that love is being able to admit its failings and love it nevertheless.
Underbellys is opening a downtown rock club scheduled for Memorial day, at the old ivy bar. Theres several rock format clubs
downtown now. Culturally, between Riverside, Springfield, and Downtown, Jax is as hot as ever.
Renowned artist Jeff Whipple and his girlfriend Liz Gibson have opened Metacusp studios with live performances, and serious good events geared for May. Theyre located on roselle street in CoRK arts district. For some good news, lets check out Jeffs facebook and give him a like for support!
https://www.facebook.com/pages/MetaCusp-Studios/293485430724198
Quote from: Adam W on April 22, 2012, 03:35:31 PM
Quote from: Timkin on April 22, 2012, 03:19:02 PM
Quote from: I-10east on April 22, 2012, 06:54:49 AM
Any good news? No, because yall don't wanna hear any regardless.
Yall let the city's admin settle in a lil' before yall start rambling about complacent conservative politics. Alvin have not even been in there for a freaking year yet! The good news? Not to get too political, but how bout the recent TU positive approval ratings of the mayor, the sheriff, and even the Jags owner (BTW with both the resident democrats, and republicans)? How bout the million saved by cutting the new furniture in the 7th floor judges area of the new courthouse (they're getting the old furniture of the old courthouse)? How bout that new green company that came in town? There are some positive things in this city that goes unreported on MJ. Yall just like to unrealistically try to make Jax a two world city, the suburban world, and the urban world; IMO it's VERY silly to have the mindset of "anything that happens in the suburban world does not matter at all" because yall are in a very high minority in Jax that lives by that philosophy. In a recession laden era, new 50 story gleaming towers, and revitalized bustling DT parks don't grow overnight, these things take time; Right now this is a baby step approach you know the 'crawl before you walk' era because the COJ isn't exactly overflowing at the seams with money right now. Good news is what you make it to be, and if it isn't something significant to DT, yall totally turn a blind eye to it anyway.
"Yall" does not turn a blind eye to everything. Some of us "yall's" grew up in this city and watched it go from thriving (downtown) to DEAD. They saved a million by cutting out some new furniture expense in the Judges waiting area? Wonderful ( news to me ) . They could have cut HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS by not building the stupid ugly Courthouse we did not need in the first place and investing that SIZEABLE amount into revitalizing our very hurting downtown. Would have been far more wisely spent. For a fraction they could have overhauled the existing building a floor at a time.
Please ...when you come on babbling about the miniscule changes that we do see, know that we appreciate any move forward. So much STUPID mentality has been in motion for 5 decades costing probably billions of dollars, and what does our downtown have to show for it?
A few remaining buildings that are partially, at best , occupied. Many modern buildings sitting empty, many historic buildings not only sitting empty but falling apart, a gung-ho mentality that these places must be destroyed . A seemingly endless supply of money to bulldoze anything and everything ....but no money for anything else that would/could make sense, A City Hall that represents one restored building in 40 years for it's own use, otherwise it too would probably have been bulldozed. ( You see we have practically nobody in downtown but WE NEED more empty lots and parking garages...this is a MUST , A new Federal Courthouse (Replacing Robert Meyer Hotel ) and that god awful monstrosity you are ranting about them saving 1 million on furniture on.. big deal ! WE the taxpayers will be paying for that building when the damn thing is torn down 100 years or less from now. At this stage , that one Million could do about 100 useful projects around our downtown that would actually benefit people, but do you think that money will be applied to ANYTHING which could benefit us? If I was a betting man , Id place this bet. We see the changes. Pointless creations such as our lovely new Courthouse , which not even open yet , is LEAKING.. do not benefit us at all. Where you are correct , to an extent is , we have a fresh administration and even though I was among those that voted for them, I am not ready to say I think they are doing everything they COULD be doing .. perhaps they are and I just cannot see it yet.
For me, "Complacent Conservative Politics" was not even a factor.....The track record of the last 4 decades at least, plays a lot into my skepticism . TU's mayoral approval rating of the Mayor and the Sheriff? okay.. that and $4.00 will get you a cup of Starbucks coffee. As to their approval rating of Mr Khan, we do not need their approval rating , I believe most of us are glad and appreciative that Mr. Khan is in Jacksonville and we look forward to his contributions , for which I am sure it goes without saying, will be stellar.
Your statement " Any good news? No , because yall don't want to hear any regardless" is especially inaccurate. WE ALL want and appreciate hearing good news. We know downtown cannot and will not be transformed overnight. We know one administration is not going to be capable of making all of the changes and choices we will need to make to make our downtown , viable again.
As the poster , Bill , stated we see good news all around....and we are appreciative.
I moved to Jax in 1979 at the age of 7. In the very early 80s, we would go downtown and shop at Sears, May Cohen's and (I think) JC Penny. They were on their last legs. I've seen Downtown dwindle and die. I honestly didn't believe it could get any worse than it was when I was in College in the 90s. I honestly think things have gotten worse since getting a football team (aside from the new stadium, baseball park and arena... those and the surrounding areas are an improvement).
I am hopeful things will change and I see some real appetite for it. I think people seem to be having conversations they should've had a long time ago. But it's hard to be positive when people talk, but the city fathers don't do anything.
I come back home once a year and get the advantage of seeing the city in annual snapshots. The recession really hurt Jacksonville. Downtown Jacksonville looks like a ghost town full of empty lots and homeless people. It's really sad.
I think a lot of other cities would kill for some of the things we have (one being an amazing river running through the center of town). We have potential, but in large part it seems like wasted potential to me.
I love Jacksonville, but part of that love is being able to admit its failings and love it nevertheless.
Jacksonville was actually doing extremely well when we got the Jaguars. The mid 90's- 2000's it really seemed like we were getting somewhere. After Delaneys tenure in office, everything stalled under peyton. He did ZERO for downtown but I say this much, the demolition craze was at least haulted during Peyton's tenure for the most part. Downtown is a mixed bag now. There are some really good things happening, ( Brooklyn park, Everbank and other smaller business moving downtown, a night life that is exploding at the seams, etc) Then there is the bad (Hemming Plaza circus, etc etc.)
Quotea night life that is exploding at the seams
Really? Besides the Irish bar at the Landing and 1904, what new scene is exploding off the map in downtown? Has the population grown for downtown living? Are there now 3,000 people living downtown? Anything larger than the Landing in terms of an area to hang out and enjoy a string of clubs and bars? Anyone take Mark's space yet?
Not that I am slamming on your statement, but I drive through on Adams and Forsyth every day and I don't see the resurrection of downtown night life. But please point it out to me. Poppy Loves Smoke closing as well, does not help.
Brooklyn, have they put a shovel in the ground yet? What new small businesses moving downtown? Anyone take the Chew space on Adams yet? It was nice that The Jacksonville Bank was able to get a tenant on their ground floor, but what else is really earth shattering?
QuoteThe good news? Not to get too political, but how bout the recent TU positive approval ratings of the mayor, the sheriff, and even the Jags owner (BTW with both the resident democrats, and republicans)?
Rah Rah Sis boom bam, give 'em hell Alvin, is the new warchant from West Duval Street these days. Its great to be a cheerleader, but he has put a LOT of faith in people back at City Hall who have had no prior mayoral experience. Time will tell if he makes the right decision, but cheerleading is NOT the same as Leading the city. He's already caught flack for his lack of detail in expenses in visiting other cities, anyone seen him go somewhere new lately, outside of town?
QuoteHow bout the million saved by cutting the new furniture in the 7th floor judges area of the new courthouse (they're getting the old furniture of the old courthouse)?
Great, 1 million out of 350-400 million, in a budget of close to 1 billion. Great to see them saving money somewhere. What else can we cut and save in the city? Why stop here? Cut out Corey's bridge, don't cave to the judges with new requests, cause I am sure they are coming.
QuoteRight now this is a baby step approach you know the 'crawl before you walk' era because the COJ isn't exactly overflowing at the seams with money right now.
How much of an impact can the new DDA make in 3 years, the remaining term of Brown? He has to really light a fire under his good news crew so that he will have street cred ready to take him to a 2nd term. He really has not done anything under this last year, he moved a company from the suburbs to downtown, and shows up at every photo op, but really, is the city better off almost 1 year off, directly attributed to Brown? This all about Brown, is our great city better off almost 1 year later? Not are we moving in that direction or its a process, are we or are we not? I say we are status quo, and no better than we were in 2011.
Typical MJ. Whatever, bitch, moan, shout out, and complain about everything. I like the way some of 'yall' always tag team against me all of the time, and the few that sorta agree with me posts never get replied to, I'm used to it already. The difference between me and some of yall is that I look from the present to the future, and alot of you look from the distant past (the glory years) to the future; You can't fix the f*cking past, it's done, get over it!. I try to think realistically, and reasonably; I can't say that for some of yall, simply because WE DON'T HAVE THE DAMN MONEY RIGHT NOW, BINGO! I knew that it was (and should) be a VERY conservative era right now with the new admin. Some of you guys probably didn't even appreciate the task force regarding Hemming Plaza; Any sort of effort to make progress will be shot down instantly becuase that 'It's just the same old jax" mentality will rear it's ugly head. So cry, gripe, and raise hell all of you want to (they know who I'm talking about). I'm looking for 'yalls' fourteen replies, to this one post, chow.
Quote from: stephendare on April 23, 2012, 12:10:49 AM
I would rather hear all criticisms and then choose wisely than hear an hallelujah chorus and go down in flames
True, but I never understood the philosophy of looking to the past, and directly comparing it to the future; It's almost like that annoying rambling drunk person that keep saying the same thing over and over again. We have criticized the new courthouse for YEARS now, and people still can't get enough of it. I'm to the point, like well, we have a controversial courthouse that costed way too much, but we have to deal with it, simple as that. It's kinda like I used to complain about the condos on the South bank (Peninsula etc) because I thought that it looks too much like wannabe Miami-scrapers, but then overtime seeing the Southbank skyline while going over the Fuller Warren so many times, you eventually begin to accept it as it sorta gradually settles in the skyline. Another 'go to' to fire up the hoards of angry urbanites is the obligatory 'we keep tearing down buildings for parking lots!" I mean really? When the last time a building was torn down for a parking lot? What, that one small church that had no historical value? You'd think that three DT buildings a year in was torn down since God knows when to 2011 the way some people act; The 'building turnt parking lots' is like the major rallying cry. My mindset is from 2012 on, and unfortunately others mind sets is more closer to 1912 on.
I don't think the right attitude should be "we've lost pretty much everything, so what's one more building" (cough cough, Bostwick). At a certain point the population needs to say "we've lost so much, we will tenaciously hold on to what's left". San Francisco did that after its fire. Chicago did the same after its fire. Nashville, a city with similar sprawl issues as Jacksonville has done this: http://www.nashville.gov/mhc/ (http://www.nashville.gov/mhc/) .
A lot of criticism of new construction I've seen here is not with the fact that it's new, it's the design philosophy behind the construction: high-rises set back from the street (everything on the Southbank, 2970 St John's Ave), density surrounded by parking garages/surface lots (220 Riverside, Berkman, St John's), office buildings surrounded by landscaping/surface lots/parking garages (Haskell on Riverside, CSX building, Fidelity). It's baffling to see such discordant design in what should be urban areas. The Southbank especially reminds me more of Gulf Coast high-rises than urban skyscrapers. If you're going to tear down something old, in poor shape, and not architecturally or historically distinctive and replace it with something better, fine. But to destroy what is literally irreplaceable in order to make way for... nothing, damn straight people are going to be angry.
I've only been here a year and am frustrated by how much potential I see squandered. I can't imagine what it's like for people that have been here long-term.
Quote2970 St John's Ave
2970 St. John's Ave (Beau Rivage) is not new construction- it was built in the 1970's. And even if it was new it wouldn't really be appropriate to be directly adjacent to St. John's Avenue, it would be out of scale. Also, that would mean putting the parking lot on the river which isn't exactly the best use of land. Although Jax has shown it is not opposed to doing so.
I know it's not new, but I look at it and all I can think is WTF? Probably a better example of how Avondale is more a rich suburb than it is an urban neighborhood.
Quote from: I-10east link=topic=14866.msg275414#msg2 :'(75d414 date=1335153946
Typical MJ. Whatever, bitch, moan, shout out, and complain about everything. I like the way some of 'yall' always tag team against me all of the time, and the few that sorta agree with me posts never get replied to, I'm used to it already. The difference between me and some of yall is that I look from the present to the future, and alot of you look from the distant past (the glory years) to the future; You can't fix the f*cking past, it's done, get over it!. I try to think realistically, and reasonably; I can't say that for some of yall, simply because WE DON'T HAVE THE DAMN MONEY RIGHT NOW, BINGO! I knew that it was (and should) be a VERY conservative era right now with the new admin. Some of you guys probably didn't even appreciate the task force regarding Hemming Plaza; Any sort of effort to make progress will be shot down instantly becuase that 'It's just the same old jax" mentality will rear it's ugly head. So cry, gripe, and raise hell all of you want to (they know who I'm talking about). I'm looking for 'yalls' fourteen replies, to this one post, chow.
Listen to yourself. Who's bitching and moaning? Seriously, why do you come on here if all MJ does is just "bitch and moan"? If everything seems fine to you, why do you come here and attack others' opinions? You talk about future, what do you see happening? Where do you see things going? What is your vision on things?
There are many people working very hard (often against the social, cultural, and economic currents) to make Jacksonville a better place.
To realize success and improvement we will have to move beyond conventional wisdom and yesterday's ideas. Jacksonville is a very established city that needs a major transformation to be competitive, provide a high quality of life for all, and to meet the needs of tomorrow's residents.
The rants of many nay-sayers and uniformed are often not helpful, but the hope and efforts of many should be commended and will hopefully be rewarded.
^ agreed.. One point made was that we cannot change the past.. The Courthouse now stands and is , so we cannot go back. What hurts about that particular situation is the staggering tab which will be on ours and future generation's shoulders.. That is a hard one to overlook when the money expended could have done far more beneficial work. I agree that continued ranting about it will never change it.
With that said, moving forward, we have to embrace and appreciate the positive changes taking place...and though not many, it is something positive at least.
The majority of us , contrary to what has been posted, would prefer a vibrant downtown. It was at one time , such a treat to go there. Town Center, and outlying Malls , just do not have the same energy as an Urban Core capable of all of the same amenities , and then some, and with so much more to offer than any "Town Center" type destination. It is difficult, for me at least to look back at what made Downtown Jacksonville vibrant and energetic and not wish for some of the past to somehow return. Some of it is doable. Some of it is forever changed.
Quote from: Anti redneck on April 23, 2012, 09:32:05 PM
Listen to yourself. Who's bitching and moaning? Seriously, why do you come on here if all MJ does is just "bitch and moan"? If everything seems fine to you, why do you come here and attack others' opinions? You talk about future, what do you see happening? Where do you see things going? What is your vision on things?
You as the original poster, did all of the 'bitching & moaning' with the usual cliches, "You want to find something about progress being made" and the all-so recognizable "DT buildings are constantly being demoed" like they are recently coming down in an alarming rate or something, but that's besides the point. First of all, what is progress to you? Does everything have to be massive groundbreaking urban projects like the first phase of a streetcar project, or does the small potatoes stuff (like the Underbelly's DT bar opening, the Landing 7Eleven etc) not count at all? There is alot of things going on outside the city core, but I know that you hate everything outside of the core, so I'm gonna even go there. There's things going on around DT and Riverside all of the time concerning the existing construction projects that's reported in the monthly construction updates. As for where I see DT going, and my vision in the future, we have to be realistic about what can be done in the near future because the city's budget won't let us spend alot, so the DT revitalization is gonna be a slow process. We really need some more DT residents, that is the key; With that comes the retail, more entertainment options etc.
Quote from: JFman00 on April 23, 2012, 03:34:38 PM
I don't think the right attitude should be "we've lost pretty much everything, so what's one more building" (cough cough, Bostwick).
Nope, my attitude is that you can't fix the past, not unless you have a time machine like Marty McFly. The historic Bostwick is an interesting case, it obviously should be saved, but it's gonna be challenging because it's in extreme disrepair, and it's such a specialized building (yesteryear bank) on a corner where parking is very challenging; That's where that stands today, now you can go to the past with the "white flight, blah, blah, blah, bad leaders of the past, blah, blah, blah, etc, but that's not gonna fix the Bostwick.
^ Why attack everyone on here? What's the deal with your anger? I honestly don't see anyone attacking you. I see people speaking their views. There is a difference. Have I, personally, attacked you at all?
^^^Don't you think that they word 'attack' is a little too dramatic?
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GOOD LORD PEOPLE. Can we get back to the topic ? ;)
Quote from: Timkin on April 24, 2012, 09:40:06 PM
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GOOD LORD PEOPLE. Can we get back to the topic ? ;)
I concur!
The Good news is that Doyle Carter the chair of a RCDPHS subcommittee that is looking at 2012-212 and 2012-213 the city reorg allowed for Public comment at the end of the meeting.
Alarming news is that the administration only reached out to councilman Joost and not any of the other council members and there are more questions than answers. Huge wake up call for the city of Jacksonville. Especially between the Mayor and legislative branch.
I found five bucks on the ground on the way into work today.
I saw an amazing show in Orlando last night:
Foxy Shazam ...here's a video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV9e27Rexi4
Phenomenal energy, highly entertaining. Well worth the money and drive.
The good news is this: they're playing the Landing on Monday, for free! Unless the weather makes them cancel it. In which case, I'll still have good news to report:
"I saw an amazing show in Orlando last night"