...Tomorrow. Looks like a full slate of scheduled events - hoping for some "fresh" vendors this season too...
http://riversideartsmarket.com/
WooHoo! C-ya Saturday... 8)
Whatever happened to the couple that sold beignets and chicory coffee? They need to come back.
Quote from: CMYKyle on March 02, 2012, 02:51:04 PM
Whatever happened to the couple that sold beignets and chicory coffee? They need to come back.
+1.
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I hope all attendees make a point to find the RAP representative and tell them that their organization sucks.
I hope all attendees make a point to find the RAP representative and tell them that their organization has done fantastic work over the decades of its existence including starting the Riverside Arts Market and working to preserve the fabric and character of our historic neighborhood.
Of course they didn't do it alone. I neither said or implied as much. They don't suck as an organization either which is what I was responding to.
Other things? How about saving a dozen or so houses when St. Vincent's was busy devouring the neighborhood? How about forcing the redesign of the new Publix plaza so it didn't look like every other Publix in suburbia, but actually fits in here and has become a model for urban Publixs all over the South? How about protecting the street grid when the City wanted to give away some streets to a private company? How about spearheading the effort to get urban agriculture started here? How about initiating the very merchants' associations that have accomplished so much.
Wayne Wood and the organization he founded, RAP, prepared the soil in which those other things that other groups and individual accomplished could take root. This area would be a very different place if RAP had not been in existence.
They blow it sometimes just like all organizations and each of us does. But we would not have been voted one of the ten best neighborhoods in the US by the APA without them.
And they don't always insist on expensive wooden windows, that's cheap shot BS. They just don't approve of tacky white vinyl windows. They approved my aluminum clad windows that have the appearance of the original, but un-salvageable, wooden ones. There are even conforming vinyl windows that are approved now because the manufacturers responded the the historic appearance requirement.
RAP is not SPAR. TGFT!
Lumping me in with the younger generation and newcomers is either flattery or a real stretch. My family has had at least one business in Riverside since 1932 and I dropped out of the younger generation over thirty years ago. ;D Funny guy!
Actually I've found that a lot of the newcomers and younger generation coming into the neighborhood are the quickest to whine and gripe when they come up against the historic guidelines and the requirements for getting a COA before they can do things to their houses.
QuoteRAP did not found the merchants associations incidentally, and any such claim is pretty ludicrous.
Btw. Where does this claim come from that RAP forced Publix to develop a new type of footprint that they use to this day?
Ive never been able to confirm that.
it would be cool if it is true.
Didn't say they did found the merchants' association. Said that they facilitated (encouraged, consulted). They actually let 5 Points use their bank account for a while when the association's 501(c)3 lapsed.
My source for the Publix redesign statement was Lisa Shepphard. RAP architectural review board went skyward rapidly when the first plans were submitted and members of that committee and HPC staff, including Lisa, redrew it. They didn't get all of what they wanted from Publix in the redesign, but mostly. Biggest change was putting the cars on the inside and the other tenants along the sidewalks. Way more pedestrian friendly than the suburban model.
Our little Publix, btw, earns more dollars per square foot than almost any other in their entire system; per Carl the manager. Evidently surprised the hell out of Publix management and encouraged them to build similar stores in other urban areas.
Jax leads the way again and, again, gets little credit for it.
Quote from: stephendare on March 03, 2012, 11:13:22 AM
(not of course, that the Publix should even be considered, according to North Miami/Know Growth.
Its a business development and therefore will eventually destroy the neighborhood.
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I think Five Points Publix is grand,and like so many, pleased that the facility was designed and promoted in the manner in which it was.
Overlay workshop citizen participant's 'vision' for Fishweir Creek public space,park at Loop restaurant area was the result of (at the time)recent Commander development proposal viewed as excessive.No one believed such an open space would happen,but one proposed extreme can lend to another.
Note that truly problematic Herschel Animal Clinic congestion received absolutely no negative comments from Overlay participants.
Folks take a stand according to where they sit.
RAP is reflective of the Riverside Avondale area,regardless of specific issue involvement.
When the chips are down,Organization ( and of course,individuals....) become the narrative target.
It was fascinating to see Clay County citizens opposed to Beltway have to rely on organization such the Florida Wildlife Federation.The crux of FWF involvement directly related to human,economic,community interests yet often effectively defined by some as anti people,community.The 'anti' theme obviously gained some traction,did it not?
Onward-
(Looks at thread title to make sure I'm in the right place)
Was there just before noon, and the place had many vendors and lots of happy folk walking around shopping and buying. A good start to RAM Year 4.
Quote from: stephendare on March 03, 2012, 12:31:03 PM
North Miami, you will find that there is a perfectly good reason why English has rules of Grammar:
Without them, most writing is just gobbledeegook.
+1 Although it can be amusing to read it as blank verse.
Charles, we just got back too. Long lines at the food booths and a dense, happy crowd. Little Stanton Band marching through the market was terrific fun.
Lakelander rode his bicycle there and was chatting up the Bike Jax folk who had an almost full bike check lot. Councilman Love was running around as excited as a kid on Christmas morning at the turn-out.
QuoteIn fact, Publix gives no credit whatsoever on their website's history page.
You expected that management or the architects would admit to anyone that some outside people had a better idea of how to design a grocery plaza than they did? Somebody might question their big bucks. No, they did what anybody would do; filed off the serial numbers and claimed it as their own.
Quote from: Dog Walker on March 03, 2012, 01:06:25 PM
Charles, we just got back too. Long lines at the food booths and a dense, happy crowd. Little Stanton Band marching through the market was terrific fun.
Lakelander rode his bicycle there and was chatting up the Bike Jax folk who had an almost full bike check lot. Councilman Love was running around as excited as a kid on Christmas morning at the turn-out.
QuoteIn fact, Publix gives no credit whatsoever on their website's history page.
You expected that management or the architects would admit to anyone that some outside people had a better idea of how to design a grocery plaza than they did? Somebody might question their big bucks. No, they did what anybody would do; filed off the serial numbers and claimed it as their own.
Got back an hour or so also... loaded up on veggies and bought some herbs for my garden. Large crowd and expect it to be larger by now
QuoteI didnt say it wasnt amusing. Its like watching an old Carol Burnett beat poet skit.
;D THAT'S what it was reminding me of! Knew it was something, but couldn't quite recall. Thanks.
Quote from: stephendare on March 03, 2012, 11:33:47 AM
Quote from: Dog Walker on March 03, 2012, 11:26:08 AM
QuoteRAP did not found the merchants associations incidentally, and any such claim is pretty ludicrous.
Btw. Where does this claim come from that RAP forced Publix to develop a new type of footprint that they use to this day?
Ive never been able to confirm that.
it would be cool if it is true.
Didn't say they did found the merchants' association. Said that they facilitated (encouraged, consulted). They actually let 5 Points use their bank account for a while when the association's 501(c)3 lapsed.
My source for the Publix redesign statement was Lisa Shepphard. RAP architectural review board went skyward rapidly when the first plans were submitted and members of that committee and HPC staff, including Lisa, redrew it. They didn't get all of what they wanted from Publix in the redesign, but mostly. Biggest change was putting the cars on the inside and the other tenants along the sidewalks. Way more pedestrian friendly than the suburban model.
Our little Publix, btw, earns more dollars per square foot than almost any other in their entire system; per Carl the manager. Evidently surprised the hell out of Publix management and encouraged them to build similar stores in other urban areas.
Jax leads the way again and, again, gets little credit for it.
In fact, Publix gives no credit whatsoever on their website's history page.
It notes all the various changes and concepts across the decades, but only lists its urban models as the greenwise stores
Before I came to Jax (2003), a company I used to work for designed a lot of Publix stores and distribution facilities. The 28k (square foot) Publix model used in Riverside isn't new or unique to Jacksonville. It's just the first time Jax didn't roll over for the larger suburban model. I believe we can credit RAP for being one of the players who helped get the shopping center (developed by Sembler, not Publix) shaped the way it is today.
Also, the 28k store is one of the models they've used to fit stores on compact sites over the years. Here are a few more that aren't Greenwise stores. Many are the exact same store (box) that's in Riverside but those cities may have required more urban layouts "outside" of the store box.
Downtown Fort Lauderdale:
(http://ci.ftlaud.fl.us/neighborhoods/cab2004/publix.jpg)
Downtown Orlando:
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/photos/1138062163_rAESG-M.jpg)
Downtown West Palm Beach:
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/photos/1215510180_CAg3k-M.jpg)
Downtown Columbia, SC:
(http://www.metrojacksonville.com/photos/thumbs/lrg-5542-gervais_street_publix.jpg)
Downtown St. Petersburg:
(http://www.metrojacksonville.com/photos/thumbs/lrg-8084-p1170748.JPG)
South Beach:
(http://www.newyorksocialdiary.com/i/partypictures/06_15_10/clemmer/publix1.jpg)
Anyway, getting back on topic, it was great seeing the large crowd out today. RAM is a great asset for the urban core and on of the things that makes Jacksonville a great place.
Got to love what they did in Columbia, S.C. And the South Beach Store? No cookie cutter for sure! Starship Publix.
Did Sembler develop those other stores too?
Sembler developed the downtown St. Petersburg store's shopping center in 2001. The Columbia, SC Publix is housed in a renovated 19th century Confederate printing plant. Homes Smith Developments was that project's developer. The West Palm Beach store was a part of Palladium Company's City Place. The South Beach and Fort Lauderdale stores are on their own sites and were probably developed by Publix themselves.
And once again, a thread that was supposed to be about something fun, opening day at RAM, has turning into a pissing match between regular posters about the evils of RAP and Wayne Wood, and who should get credit for what, and what we should all be doing or not doing.
I am a bit sick of reading threads that turn into big pissing matches between factions. I think MJ should start an entire section for just that "Pissing Matches".
Go play elsewhere and let me read about opening day at RAM. Please.
I second that!
And a third.
We got sick of reading that trash and left to go to RAM. Beautiful day, parked our bikes, talked with Lakelander, watched the Stanton Blue Devil Marching Band, ate fattening food, bought a few items, watched dogs, hundreds of people really enjoying the market, the day. Thanks RAM, Thanks RAP for a fun time.
Quote from: Dog Walker on March 03, 2012, 04:08:35 PM
QuoteI didnt say it wasnt amusing. Its like watching an old Carol Burnett beat poet skit.
;D THAT'S what it was reminding me of! Knew it was something, but couldn't quite recall. Thanks.
All In The Family
Today's FTU article trumps this thread for the best insight on Arts Market Fourth Season Opener
Quote from: ghalti on March 03, 2012, 05:57:31 PM
And once again, a thread that was supposed to be about something fun, opening day at RAM, has turning into a pissing match between regular posters about the evils of RAP and Wayne Wood, and who should get credit for what, and what we should all be doing or not doing.
I am a bit sick of reading threads that turn into big pissing matches between factions. I think MJ should start an entire section for just that "Pissing Matches".
Go play elsewhere and let me read about opening day at RAM. Please.
Takes two or more to TANGO.
Yesterday someone mentioned MJ not what it used to be.
Truth,Art & Beauty....behind the computer screen above all is Shove.
I'm checking out.....
ONWARD
What does that mean, "mj not what it used to be"?
Quote from: Know Growth on March 04, 2012, 06:45:58 PM
Quote from: ghalti on March 03, 2012, 05:57:31 PM
And once again, a thread that was supposed to be about something fun, opening day at RAM, has turning into a pissing match between regular posters about the evils of RAP and Wayne Wood, and who should get credit for what, and what we should all be doing or not doing.
I am a bit sick of reading threads that turn into big pissing matches between factions. I think MJ should start an entire section for just that "Pissing Matches".
Go play elsewhere and let me read about opening day at RAM. Please.
Takes two or more to TANGO.
Yesterday someone mentioned MJ not what it used to be.
Truth,Art & Beauty....behind the computer screen above all is Shove.
I'm checking out.....
ONWARD
You sound like 'north miami'...
Quote from: IamAmerican on March 04, 2012, 06:56:28 PM
What does that mean, "mj not what it used to be"?
It's the same product its been since day one. Someone may have just gotten their feathers ruffled. It happens from time to time when people take stuff mentioned online, that they don't agree with, personally.
The South Beach store...way cool. The one in Columbia reminds me of another brick building in Riverside that should be repurposed. ;)