Here's some information about Pope & Land's first phase. If approved, it would start construction later this year.
QuoteRiverside Avenue and the Brooklyn area near Downtown are targeted for two developments â€" Riverside Park and 220 Riverside â€" that would create almost 600 apartments and carriage houses along with office and retail space.
Lincoln Property Co., based in Duluth, Ga., plans to develop the tentatively named Riverside Park on the four blocks bounded by Park, Leila, Jackson and Magnolia streets.
An application filed with the City by Lincoln Property Co. of Duluth, Ga., shows a proposed multifamily development of 287 residential units in four four-story buildings and 10 carriage houses in 10 two-story buildings.
Charles Shallat, executive vice president of Lincoln Property, said this morning that Lincoln has the property under contract from owner Pope and Land Enterprises Inc. of Atlanta. It is the first phase of development at the larger Pope and Land site, he said.
He expects Lincoln will complete the sale and start construction of the apartments in the fourth quarter and build the project in 18 months.
“With all the new jobs that have been announced in the Riverside complex, with EverBank expanding, it’s geared toward the workers in those buildings,†he said.
Shallat said he expects Pope and Land to develop the second phase of the development, a commercial project, by itself or with another developer.
The application also proposes an associated 34space surface parking lot, 66 carport spaces in three structures and 20 spaces in the carriage house units.
Riverside Park also will feature recreation facilities, including a pool and a property management office.
full story: http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=535759
That's a lot of residential units though, if they get built out it should help pump some life into Brooklyn.
well, maybe this will actually breakground.
10 2-story buildings..........? Woof.
When I first read it I thought it said 2 10-story buildings. That got my heart racing.
Quote from: Captain Zissou on February 27, 2012, 02:04:19 PM
10 2-story buildings..........? Woof.
When I first read it I thought it said 2 10-story buildings. That got my heart racing.
No kidding. This sounds like the blueprint for Villa Rive on Riverside. Townhomes along the road with the low-rise behind them.
It sounds like it will make those street blocks pretty decent at the pedestrian level. I'm interested to see how this turns out.
Yikes.... http://www.lincolnapts.com/
Check out their other properties in FL or Atlanta. Looks like these guys are the masters of stucco covered foam. Sounds like Gate Parkway is coming to Brooklyn.
I wonder if site drawings are available? I didn't see any on their site. Just when you need the mobility fee too...
Quote from: acme54321 on February 27, 2012, 02:50:00 PM
Check out their other properties in FL or Atlanta. Looks like these guys are the masters of stucco covered foam. Sounds like Gate Parkway is coming to Brooklyn.
Yep, Gate Parkway. Gated apartment and condo complexes with surface lots and carports.
That was my first thought too.
Lake, have you not seen the site plan?
Quote from: copperfiend on February 27, 2012, 02:55:10 PM
Quote from: acme54321 on February 27, 2012, 02:50:00 PM
Check out their other properties in FL or Atlanta. Looks like these guys are the masters of stucco covered foam. Sounds like Gate Parkway is coming to Brooklyn.
Yep, Gate Parkway. Gated apartment and condo complexes with surface lots and carports.
That was my first thought too.
oh god
Quote from: fsujax on February 27, 2012, 03:03:42 PM
Lake, have you not seen the site plan?
The site plan isn't attached to the DDRB agenda but it sounds like they're being sent back to the drawing board because of a Gate Parkway style layout. Hopefully, they'll get it together. It's pretty easy to layout one of those types of developments in a urban footprint. You just line the property's edges with the two story buildings and make the interior the surface parking lot. Here's an example of one I came across just outside of downtown Fort Lauderdale last year:
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Learning-From/Fort-Lauderdale-March-2011/P1450045/1215531774_66RoT-M.jpg)
Apartments face the public street.
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Learning-From/Fort-Lauderdale-March-2011/P1450049/1215532642_s3JVc-M.jpg)
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Learning-From/Fort-Lauderdale-March-2011/P1450046/1215531963_nbcBR-M.jpg)
Surface parking in middle of apartment buildings.
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Learning-From/Fort-Lauderdale-March-2011/P1450047/1215532458_4h9aU-M.jpg)
Same construction costs and building type but completely different vibe at the pedestrian scale. Imo, all suburban apartment complexes should be built this way. As long as the DDRB doesn't cave, this should be a decent development for Brooklyn.
Looks good Lake.
This part made me cringe:
"The application also proposes an associated 34space surface parking lot, 66 carport spaces in three structures and 20 spaces in the carriage house units."
66 carport spaces??
Or maybe a two-story version of this:
(http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad1/jsimms3/Downtown%20Jax%20Aerials%20Nightlife%20and%20More/DowntownJax115.jpg)
^^^^^ Oh noooooo...
I don't love 1661, but I wouldn't mind if they went in that direction...it's half decent.
Putting that many people into that stretch is going to be good for the area unless the design is an unlivable mess. Maybe the retail level at Everbank will get populated and something will happen on Park Street in Brooklyn. People = good.
BTW, Everbank is donating some of that open retail space in the street level of their building for a sculpture gallery, I've heard.
To allow a development company to plop some crappy suburban footprint into an urban area sounds awful. I would be okay with something like the pictures Lake posted, or maybe something like Tapestry Park, with townhomes lining Riverside Avenue. I want to see the development happen, but is it too much to ask for something creative and original?
Seems to me like any project in a pseudo-industrial-office-railroad yard- type urban district some form of high rise or mid rise buildings would be MUCH more likely to rent or sell based on the ability to secure the property. It's a hell of a lot easier to watch a couple of doors then it is to watch 600 of them. The Peninsula, Strand, Metropolitan Lofts, 11E, etc. as well as the condo in Medellin, all have this type of "Grand Hotel-Ballroom'' entry.
Ocklawaha
Quote from: Ocklawaha on February 27, 2012, 09:29:45 PM
Seems to me like any project in a pseudo-industrial-office-railroad yard- type urban district some form of high rise or mid rise buildings would be MUCH more likely to rent or sell based on the ability to secure the property. It's a hell of a lot easier to watch a couple of doors then it is to watch 600 of them. The Peninsula, Strand, Metropolitan Lofts, 11E, etc. as well as the condo in Medellin, all have this type of "Grand Hotel-Ballroom'' entry.
Ocklawaha
Kinda tough to give a low rise the grand-hotel ballroom entry with 8'-10' celings. I was part of the reason for Peninsula's grand entry and loved the finished product. Hard to replicate without 20' vertical to your disposal.
Will I need a permit to park out in front of it, if I live in Riverside? That is ridiculous!
Here's the proposed site plan and a perspective rendering:
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Development/Riverside-Park-Development/i-5HmLjtv/0/L/2012-004-smallDDRB-Conceptual-L.jpg)
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Development/Riverside-Park-Development/i-Zv7ZMbd/0/L/2012-004-smallDDRB-Conceptual-L.jpg)
I really wish the buildings were flipped putting the parking on the inside instead of the outside.
Ugh.
Few things I don't like.
1) The layout and buildings. Parking needs to be on the inside, it needs to be an urban design. It's just bleh.
2) They are closing off 2 city streets to traffic. I would perfer that they leave oak and stonewall as is and not gate or close them off like the rendering shows.
Well, that's delightfully uninspiring.
That view from park st seems a little elevated.... Are they building an overpass, too?
Gate Parkway comes to the core.
That plan doesn't seem like it would be too hard to redesign for an urban setting. I hope they are held to that.
^I agree. It looks as simple as shifting buildings to front Jackson and Park Streets, thus moving the surface parking to the middle of the development. It would also be pretty easy to keep a few of those streets open and still have gated privacy for residents, if that's what they are pushing for. Hopefully, the DDRB doesn't cave in.
I don't think it's THAT bad. I just don't get the point of the 2 story townhouses being scattered about or the car ports. Why not mass the townhomes together facing one street with a shared green space behind them. I saw dozens of examples of this in Atlanta last weekend. Then they need to mass the 5 story parts better and have them addressing at least one main street, restrict access points to improve safety like Ock suggested, hide the parking, and make the rest a green space or a public plaza.
Quote from: thelakelander on February 28, 2012, 08:39:24 AM
^I agree. It looks as simple as shifting buildings to front Jackson and Park Streets, thus moving the surface parking to the middle of the development. It would also be pretty easy to keep a few of those streets open and still have gated privacy for residents, if that's what they are pushing for. Hopefully, the DDRB doesn't cave in.
Lake is there no way for public comments to the DDRB?
Quote from: acme54321 on February 28, 2012, 07:43:02 AM
Ugh.
Few things I don't like.
1) The layout and buildings. Parking needs to be on the inside, it needs to be an urban design. It's just bleh.
2) They are closing off 2 city streets to traffic. I would perfer that they leave oak and stonewall as is and not gate or close them off like the rendering shows.
Can't disagree with either point. I don't understand why this can't be built without closing the streets.
What happened to people building nice row houses?
Thin, single family homes or two family homes would work well in this area. The inside of the block would be the backyard for the ground floor and the roof is the yard for the upper-level family.
(http://www.killerdillerrecords.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/frenchrenaissance.jpg)
(http://www.killerdillerrecords.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/LondonBrickRowHouses.jpg)
You can even build garages on street level:
(http://www.killerdillerrecords.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Pacific_Queen_Anne.jpg)
Jackson St, Park St, and Riverside Ave should be thought of as "high streets" and the ground level of all buildings on those streets should be commercial space, with residential above.
One of the great things about a densely populated area is that you aren't reliant on your own car. You're able to walk a block or two to get to restaurants, shops, and entertainment, and the more people the greater the use of public transit that can take you to other parts of town.
Making a large portion of these blocks parking lots defeats the purpose of creating a dense residential area. Street parking works for a lot of cities when there are smartly designed parking garages near heavily populated areas. If a developer wants to build a parking garage there should be some city law making them put commercial on the ground floor. There are so many parking garages in North Bank that take up an entire city block and are giant eyesores and take up very valuable space. Walking through Manhattan it's easy to ignore how many parking garages there are because the majority of them are on blocks lined with commercial space on the ground level and there will be an entry to the garage between two shops. MetroJax does a great job showing smart moves by other cities and Jacksonville REALLY needs to look at what other cities do! Majority of Florida is spread out and set up in a very suburban way. Jacksonville has so much empty land in the core that they're able to, kind of, start from scratch and build an area comparable to cities like Chicago and San Francisco.
Jacksonville used to be the Bold New City of the South and it needs to go back to that. When people visit Brooklyn they should see beautiful homes and feel like what they are seeing only exists in a few places on Earth. Every section of the urban core should bring something special. Brooklyn could remind people of walking through London or Paris, while the area of LaVilla around Ritz Theatre could look like New Orleans, and Oakland could be a dense and bustling area like New York's Lower East Side. Springfield could easily be Jacksonville's version of
San Francisco's Castro because of the great buildings already there.
OK, I'm rambling because I'm bored at work.
^ Oakland?? Where is that?? Do you mean Oklahoma?? I really want to move there in the next year. i think that will be one of the next big areas in town.
I like your rambling. I wanted a rowhouse or something similar when I moved to town but the building type wasn't available locally. I believe Brooklyn, LaVilla, and the Cathedral district would be great areas for this urban residential building type.
I thought the area North of Mathews Express Way, along A Philip Randolph, was called Oakland.
It originally was. Now it's commonly referred to as the Eastside.
Ohhh, It very well could be.
Oklahoma is the area south of 95 in San Marco between Hendricks Ave and San Marco Blvd. The southern and northern borders may be Landon and Lasalle, respectively.
I own a 3-story townhome that fronts on the street in the heart of downtown....its the closest thing to a rowhome or brownstone I could find in Jax.
Quote from: thelakelander on February 28, 2012, 11:52:15 AM
It originally was. Now it's commonly referred to as the Eastside.
And incidentally, the original East Jacksonville was considerably smaller than the area now called East Jacksonville or the Eastside. Toponymy lives!
I'm still trying to convince my wife we should buy the old fire station at Adams and Ocean. I don't think I'll ever be able to get her to move away from NYC. Especially since we own our apartment here.
Quote from: tufsu1 on February 28, 2012, 11:53:16 AM
I own a 3-story townhome that fronts on the street in the heart of downtown....its the closest thing to a rowhome or brownstone I could find in Jax.
Its about the only thing. 52 urban core townhouse units built after 2000 in a city the size of Jacksonville is pretty pathetic.
51 to be exact ;)
what about the townhomes at Berkman?
I guess. When I came to town, those things were listed at over $500k. If I could afford to pay that much, it wouldn't be to stay in downtown Jacksonville. The neighborhood is going to already have to be walkable and vibrant 24/7. I was looking for something market rate (say $100k-$200k).
you can pick one up now for about $100k!
No thanks. I'm in the process of doing my own in Springfield now.
You can get one of these for less than $100k.
(http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad1/jsimms3/Downtown%20Jax%20Aerials%20Nightlife%20and%20More/DowntownJax115.jpg)
quiet please!
Quote from: urbanlibertarian on February 28, 2012, 01:39:15 PM
You can get one of these for less than $100k.
The ship has sailed for me, since I've decided to build my own and I'm already financially tied to that decision. However, in a city with over 800,000 residents, there should be more than one development to choose from. Considering the boom we just went through the last decade, we should have a couple thousand units of various sizes and square footages to choose from, scattered across the urban core.
I know, I am just messing with you Lake! we should have more choices.
QuoteConsidering the boom we just went through the last decade, we should have a couple thousand units of various sizes and square footages to choose from, scattered across the urban core
They are out there, many have been foreclosed on in Berkman or Peninsula, renters kicked out of 11E or old San Marco, they are out there, then you have the totally open and fully Air Conditioned Berkman II. Thankfully the Aetna building was not ruined with a monstrosity and the Shipyards, well, as usual, fell through. Otherwise downtown would be an even worse mess, and we have yet to discuss the Orlando Real Estate Barron Cameron Kuhn and his crummy urban vision.
About the only success we have downtown is the courthouse, and it still has a few months to go for occupancy.
QuoteAbout the only success we have downtown is the courthouse, and it still has a few months to go for occupancy.
If that's one of our successes, then heaven protect us if we ever have a failure!!
QuoteIf that's one of our successes, then heaven protect us if we ever have a failure!!
Every failure is "shovel ready" though! So we got that going for us.
At 5 am this morning, the feature MJ story was about this project with a site plan and talk about the upcoming DDRB meeting. When I got back from my workout, it was replaced with the beaches construction update. Is it coming back?
Yes. It will be back with a slight revision as tomorrow's main story.
Can't wait I am not up until 6:15 am so you have until then :) .
I'm probably going to run it at midnight.
oh boy...maybe I should stay up :)
Quote from: mtraininjax on February 28, 2012, 04:33:19 PM
QuoteConsidering the boom we just went through the last decade, we should have a couple thousand units of various sizes and square footages to choose from, scattered across the urban core
They are out there, many have been foreclosed on in Berkman or Peninsula, renters kicked out of 11E or old San Marco, they are out there, then you have the totally open and fully Air Conditioned Berkman II. Thankfully the Aetna building was not ruined with a monstrosity and the Shipyards, well, as usual, fell through. Otherwise downtown would be an even worse mess, and we have yet to discuss the Orlando Real Estate Barron Cameron Kuhn and his crummy urban vision.
About the only success we have downtown is the courthouse, and it still has a few months to go for occupancy.
Dellwood West McCoys Creek
If not by now.....when???