I had to laugh. You Springfield people have a very insular view of your city. You should try talking to people from the lower middle class/working poor neighborhoods. The apartment's I used to live in off Barnes road had some Methodist refugee program that's been going on for years, we had Croats, Serbs, Albanians, Mexicans, Russians, Sudanese.... hell any place that's had a conflict over the past 25 years seems to have people represented there. Including "the lost boys of Sudan" from the documentary.
I live in Arlington now, here's the make up of my side of the street: Mexican, Vacant, White, East Indian, Black, White, White, Colombian, Black, Dominican, Colombian, White, White. That's ONE side of ONE block. LOL a handful of yuppies amongst Blacks does not mean ethnically diverse, but whatever helps you sell the facade.
WTF are you talking about?
Who here is alleged to have made the claim you're disputing?
Welcome to the forum Swag... this should be interesting... ???
Whose he talking to? Confused...
They appear to be referring to the description under the Springfield board:
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php?board=50.0
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Springfield
Emerging as the city's most ethnically diverse neighborhood.
Riverside/Avondale
Eclectic and gentrified urban communities. Also Five Points & Murray Hill.
San Marco
Posh upscale shopping alongside edgy art and multi-million dollar riverfront homes.
I'm not sure what Springfield's official "claim" is but the Englewood area stretching over to University blvd W down into Baymeadows towards Southside is pretty diverse as well. I find myself surrounded by the Russian, Indian and Asian languages often. Growing up in that area I remember my earliest friends being of Middle Eastern descent. Let's whip out the census data and find out what Jville's most diverse hood is.
I'm thinking somewhere on the Westside, Arlington or near where I grew up by Englewood would probably be the most diverse area in town.
Quote from: stephendare on February 13, 2012, 09:00:40 AM
Quote from: SwaggerRebel on February 13, 2012, 01:45:45 AM
I had to laugh. You Springfield people have a very insular view of your city. You should try talking to people from the lower middle class/working poor neighborhoods. The apartment's I used to live in off Barnes road had some Methodist refugee program that's been going on for years, we had Croats, Serbs, Albanians, Mexicans, Russians, Sudanese.... hell any place that's had a conflict over the past 25 years seems to have people represented there. Including "the lost boys of Sudan" from the documentary.
I live in Arlington now, here's the make up of my side of the street: Mexican, Vacant, White, East Indian, Black, White, White, Colombian, Black, Dominican, Colombian, White, White. That's ONE side of ONE block. LOL a handful of yuppies amongst Blacks does not mean ethnically diverse, but whatever helps you sell the facade.
We stopped at the Regency Starbucks last night after having dinner at the Panera, and I have to agree with you. It is one of the most ethnically diverse places in the state.
To be honest, it was almost like dining in a real grown up city, there were so many languages and ethnicities present.
But when we first wrote that moniker about springfield it was likewise true, there was a lot of diversity happening in the neighborhood, unfortunately that was killed in the bud.
Perhaps it is time we revisited the section titles.
Baymeadows is pretty ethnic, too. Latino, Indian, Middle Eastern..
Anyone know why most ethnic populations end up where they do? I lived in Charleston for 4 years....most people coming from abroad always tried to get housing in the historic district because it reminded them most of the places they left. Old city streets, older histories, etc. Intuition tells me that most ethnic populations would try to move towards Riverside. But that's obviously not the case.
Yes, it's time to revise those headings. There are a few zip codes in the Southside that appear to be the most ethically diverse (one being Baymeadows, another being the Sandalwood area off Atlantic).
Click on this link, suggest racial/ethnic distribution for census 2010, and zoom in on Jacksonville:
http://projects.nytimes.com/census/2010/map
When I was at LEE HS in the mid 1990's we had a very diverse school population, There were many Vietnamese, Cambodians, Bosnians, etc. An equal amount of black and white students. Not sure how it is there now.
Quote from: stephendare on February 13, 2012, 09:29:12 AM
Lutheran Social Services is the agency that is responsible for placing immigrant populations here in Jacksonville. Starting in the late 80s, they preferred to place out near baymeadows and southside (especially beach and University area)
Its become the center of our immigrant community as a result.
many Jewish communities in the U.S. facilitated emigration for Soviet Jews in the late 1980s and early 1990s as well....here in Jax, they mainly settled in the Baymeadows/San Jose area...so as to be near the congregations and JCA
In a five block by four block part of Riverside, I discovered NINE natively spoken languages, five of them Asian.
I think all of Jacksonville is more ethnically diverse than we realize with the exception of some of the gated communities.
I was told our unofficial slogan was "we're all here because we're not all there".
Quote from: stephendare on February 13, 2012, 09:29:12 AM
Lutheran Social Services is the agency that is responsible for placing immigrant populations here in Jacksonville. Starting in the late 80s, they preferred to place out near baymeadows and southside (especially beach and University area)
Its become the center of our immigrant community as a result.
Yeah Lutherans, not Methodists. Barnes road was a crazy hood, I'll have to drive through and see what it's like now, been awhile (7 years). They had Slavic cafes, a grocer and bar where you could get a beer at 3 am while listening to "turbo folk". The thing is the immigrant neighborhoods are very transient, they want to move out further into the homogeneous burbs and get their piece of the"American dream" also.
Quote from: Springfield Chicken on February 13, 2012, 03:12:08 PM
I was told our unofficial slogan was "we're all here because we're not all there".
Yep, that fits us to a tee.
Anyhoo, way to pi$$ off an entire neighborhood who had nothing to do with writing that tagline. Welcome to the forum, SwaggerRebel!
I do miss good ethnic food though. Is there a good Korean restaurant in Jax? I have been hankering for bulgogi lately...
There's an annoying trend in many discussions in the 21st century American media on urban issues that uses the term "diverse" to mean "a large percentage of African-Americans". Of course this isn't what the word means at all, but much too often I see it used that way and it always grates on my nerves.
There is a Korean/Sushi restaurant in the Landing and one on University a mile north of Philips Highway. Haven't eaten in either for years. Anyone have any reviews for us?
You can't get real bulgogi in the US. We don't have water buffalo here. The cow beef version is still pretty good. Wonder if American bison would get closer to the Korean version taste?
In my time in Springfield I would not call it the most ethnically diverse area but it is the most socioeconomically diverse area. Riverside used to be but not any more its mostly past that stage of gentrification. Now it is Springfield.
Quote from: Dog Walker on February 13, 2012, 04:52:07 PM
There is a Korean/Sushi restaurant in the Landing and one on University a mile north of Philips Highway. Haven't eaten in either for years. Anyone have any reviews for us?
You can't get real bulgogi in the US. We don't have water buffalo here. The cow beef version is still pretty good. Wonder if American bison would get closer to the Korean version taste?
Have you been here: http://www.yelp.com/biz/hon-korean-restaurant-jacksonville#hrid:dTTnLGeFP6AaZ1LVzzCzCw (http://www.yelp.com/biz/hon-korean-restaurant-jacksonville#hrid:dTTnLGeFP6AaZ1LVzzCzCw)
Hear fantastic things...like you, I was under the impression the only Korean place was on University. Not a fan of that place, at all....this place looks great though.
Quote from: stephendare on February 13, 2012, 09:29:12 AM
Lutheran Social Services is the agency that is responsible for placing immigrant populations here in Jacksonville. Starting in the late 80s, they preferred to place out near baymeadows and southside (especially beach and University area)
Its become the center of our immigrant community as a result.
I teach at Englewood High and can tell you that it is an English for Speakers of Other Languages (ESOL) magnet, so that might explain the placement of families near there.
Quote from: hooplady on February 13, 2012, 04:47:21 PM
I do miss good ethnic food though. Is there a good Korean restaurant in Jax? I have been hankering for bulgogi lately...
Ben Says is right. Hon Korean Restaurant is pretty good and authentic (at least based on what my Korean friends and others who have lived in Korea tell me).
There is also a Korean grocery store in the same strip mall called Dae-Ho Oriental Food Store. They have a small cafe to the left as you enter the store--lunch only, I believe. The two old Korean women make some yummy stuff...and it's super cheap. I think it may be cash only.
Quote from: thelakelander on February 13, 2012, 09:33:24 AM
Yes, it's time to revise those headings. There are a few zip codes in the Southside that appear to be the most ethically diverse (one being Baymeadows, another being the Sandalwood area off Atlantic).
Click on this link, suggest racial/ethnic distribution for census 2010, and zoom in on Jacksonville:
http://projects.nytimes.com/census/2010/map
Yes baymeadows is definately diverse for sure. One of the most diverse areas in the city actually. When I moved out here two years ago I was amazed at all the different races that reside out here. It makes me very comfortable. If you love Indian food, baymeadows is definately the place to get it!
Quote from: JaxByDefault on February 14, 2012, 01:11:22 AM
Quote from: hooplady on February 13, 2012, 04:47:21 PM
I do miss good ethnic food though. Is there a good Korean restaurant in Jax? I have been hankering for bulgogi lately...
Ben Says is right. Hon Korean Restaurant is pretty good and authentic (at least based on what my Korean friends and others who have lived in Korea tell me).
There is also a Korean grocery store in the same strip mall called Dae-Ho Oriental Food Store. They have a small cafe to the left as you enter the store--lunch only, I believe. The two old Korean women make some yummy stuff...and it's super cheap. I think it may be cash only.
Didn't know it existed! Good to know. I tend to get nosebleeds if I get outside a zip code that doesn't have a zero in the next to last space so haven't been out that way for some time.
The USA is moving towards a more European model, with expensive housing near the city center, and the more affordable housing out in the suburbs, with the result that our outer areas are becoming more ethnically diverse, while inner neighborhoods are becoming more affluent. I think that this is one of the main reasons why there are rising levels of bicycle and pedestrian fatalities on roads like Beach Blvd, which were built almost exclusively for cars.
Quote from: Dog Walker on February 14, 2012, 10:32:03 AM
Quote from: JaxByDefault on February 14, 2012, 01:11:22 AM
Quote from: hooplady on February 13, 2012, 04:47:21 PM
I do miss good ethnic food though. Is there a good Korean restaurant in Jax? I have been hankering for bulgogi lately...
Ben Says is right. Hon Korean Restaurant is pretty good and authentic (at least based on what my Korean friends and others who have lived in Korea tell me).
There is also a Korean grocery store in the same strip mall called Dae-Ho Oriental Food Store. They have a small cafe to the left as you enter the store--lunch only, I believe. The two old Korean women make some yummy stuff...and it's super cheap. I think it may be cash only.
Didn't know it existed! Good to know. I tend to get nosebleeds if I get outside a zip code that doesn't have a zero in the next to last space so haven't been out that way for some time.
;D Same here, hate leaving the core...especially 32202/32204/32205/32207.
I've never heard of Hon Korean either, until last week. Look forward to checking it out. Been going over yelp and Cari-Sanchez Potter's old posts lately, finding a bunch of hidden ethnic gems sprinkled around town.
Btw, I'm an ethnic food junkie. While I hate leaving the core, I don't know what I'd do without Beach Blvd, University, and Baymeadows for ethnic food. 02/04/05/07 is
seriously lacking. Bowl of Pho, the Indian restaurants on Baymeadows Middle Eastern on University, Japanese supermarket/Korean/World Food market on Beach, all come to mind..
Quote from: MandolinGirl on February 13, 2012, 08:00:47 PM
Quote from: stephendare on February 13, 2012, 09:29:12 AM
Lutheran Social Services is the agency that is responsible for placing immigrant populations here in Jacksonville. Starting in the late 80s, they preferred to place out near baymeadows and southside (especially beach and University area)
Its become the center of our immigrant community as a result.
I teach at Englewood High and can tell you that it is an English for Speakers of Other Languages (ESOL) magnet, so that might explain the placement of families near there.
Actually, I think it may be the other way around. I lived 4 blocks from Engelwood from 1967 to 2001, and graduated from there. Lutheran Social Services on Philips Highway began placing refugee families in our neighborhood quite some time ago. When magnet schools were developed, Englewood became a Communications Magnet. I didn't realize it was now the ESOL magnet, and that makes sense, but I think was because of the large concentration of refugee families placed near there, not the other way around. The homes are older (1960's), smaller (1200-1500 sq. ft.), not in an historic district, and consequently affordable.
When I visit friends who still live in the area, I find it pretty much as diverse as Springfield, where we now live.
It's a chicken-egg thing. Why are there so many Hmong in Minnesota? Because somebody moved there and others followed. I suspect it's the same for Arabic cultures to Michigan, Puerto Ricans to New York, Portuguese to Providence, Greeks to Tarpon Springs.
It just takes the first adventurous immigrant to start the wave. Whether it's a job, a specific social service agency offering help, or just throwing a dart at the map, it starts with one and others have a reason to go to the same place.
I always wondered why there were lots of Koreans around me but not a lot of Vietnamese, Estonians but not Russians, Poles but not Czechs, etc. For whatever reason, the Italian restaurants were run by Greeks (I grew up thinking moussaka was Italian). It could be very different in my hometown now, depending on the specific economic or political pressures going on in various places in the world.
Mmmm...now I want bulgogi AND moussaka!
Me, too! And there's a really good Italian restaurant near Englewood. Luigi's. Best lasagna in town.
Quote from: Debbie Thompson on February 14, 2012, 07:03:27 PM
Me, too! And there's a really good Italian restaurant near Englewood. Luigi's. Best lasagna in town.
Haven't tasted Luigi's, but it's going to be very hard to beat Carmines vegetarian lasagna. It's simply fantastic!
Quote from: finehoe on February 13, 2012, 04:49:09 PM
There's an annoying trend in many discussions in the 21st century American media on urban issues that uses the term "diverse" to mean "a large percentage of African-Americans". Of course this isn't what the word means at all, but much too often I see it used that way and it always grates on my nerves.
I liked it better when we called the area where all the Chinese lived "China Town" and there area where all the Italians lived "Little Italy." At least you knew that if you wanted the best General Tso's chicken, you could simply head to China Town. You want some manicotti, head to Little Italy. I guess "Little Herzegovina" would be a bit of a mouthful and, frankly, I don't know what the hell Bosnians eat.
Even Kaiser Soze won't touch the name for the area dominated by African-Americans.
we ignore "Herzegovinians" anyway :)
so Little Bosna would be fine or Little Balkans in order not to offend anyone too much :)
and as far as what Bosnians eat if they are like me they eat everything that doesnt move too fast.