QuoteNocatee was the 14th best-selling master-planned community in the country last year, according to a new national study.
John Burns Real Estate Consulting looked at 136 MPCs around the country and ranked the top 50. Nocatee, made up of seven communities in St. Johns County, had 313 sales in 2011.
The Villages, an adult community south of Ocala, topped the list with 2,307 sales last year.
Full list: http://jacksonville.com/business/2012-02-01/story/nocatee-national-list-best-selling-communities
seven communities.
trivia question: future total is.....Does total future build out come under " Seven",was total build out revealed at initial FLUM change request?
who here even knows what FLUM means??
FLUM = Future Land Use Map.
Nocatee is my back yard. 100% auto-centric development.
They have dog parks.
You drive to them.
You even are forced to pay the property mgmt to have landscaping done in most communities as opposed to doing it yourself.
I've been in an HOA for 12 years and I wish I had purchased in the land of the free. Nocatee is the land of HOAs on steroids.
I realize some folks like them.
There are definitely pros and cons to HOA's. Typically, if you live ina HOA neighborhood, it is a cookie cutter neighborhood that has little to no character. That being said, if the HOA does its job, your property should maintane its value better than other properties. This is accomplished by,a s you said, uniform landscape maintenance, the inability of you to paint your house bright pink, or put up a car on blocks in the yard. SOmetimes, they offer security, amenities, etc. Cons are that some HOA's get power hungery and nitpick at everything. Lein's can be placed on your house for failure to pay the ever rising HOA fees. Defintiely points to consider on either side.
Quote from: Dapperdan on February 02, 2012, 08:35:19 AM
There are definitely pros and cons to HOA's. Typically, if you live ina HOA neighborhood, it is a cookie cutter neighborhood that has little to no character. That being said, if the HOA does its job, your property should maintane its value better than other properties. This is accomplished by,a s you said, uniform landscape maintenance, the inability of you to paint your house bright pink, or put up a car on blocks in the yard. SOmetimes, they offer security, amenities, etc. Cons are that some HOA's get power hungery and nitpick at everything. Lein's can be placed on your house for failure to pay the ever rising HOA fees. Defintiely points to consider on either side.
I got a notice on my door from my HOA two weeks after Christmas that said I needed to remove all decorations.
The only thing up was a red ribbon above the garage that I had forgotten to take down.
Does anyone know what their advertsising budget is? It would be interesting to see how much money they spend getting people to move there per person. Divide budget by number of homes sold.
If there are good public schools and the prices are reasonable, then houses will sell, even in this economy.
It would probably help if the development was not so auto-dependent, but I believe that the driver for St. Johns County real estate right now is their public school system.
Quote from: copperfiend on February 02, 2012, 08:51:59 AM
Quote from: Dapperdan on February 02, 2012, 08:35:19 AM
There are definitely pros and cons to HOA's. Typically, if you live ina HOA neighborhood, it is a cookie cutter neighborhood that has little to no character. That being said, if the HOA does its job, your property should maintane its value better than other properties. This is accomplished by,a s you said, uniform landscape maintenance, the inability of you to paint your house bright pink, or put up a car on blocks in the yard. SOmetimes, they offer security, amenities, etc. Cons are that some HOA's get power hungery and nitpick at everything. Lein's can be placed on your house for failure to pay the ever rising HOA fees. Defintiely points to consider on either side.
I got a notice on my door from my HOA two weeks after Christmas that said I needed to remove all decorations.
The only thing up was a red ribbon above the garage that I had forgotten to take down.
Im closing on my first home and we have a HOA. I went online and printed out their bible already. I'm really not one to do anything to the outside of my home, so I'm not TOO worried. The most I will be adding is more landscaping and a fence in the backyard so I looked up their guidelines regarding that. One benefit of HOA's that I like is that the neighborhood will not get run down. When looking for homes, I seen several extremely beautiful homes in very spotty and run down neighborhoods and that was a complete turn off for me. I like the fact that there a standard that must be maintained. However, the down side is, as you experienced Cooperfield, the HOA is worse than JSO. You may sometimes feel like a prisoner in your own home. LOL
I like the idea of the HOA. And I appreciate driving through my neighborhood and not seeing boats or RV's parked in driveways but that can be pretty annoying with the pettiness. God forbid you rinse out your trash cans and leave them outside to dry on a non-trash day.
Quote from: copperfiend on February 02, 2012, 11:22:31 AM
I like the idea of the HOA. And I appreciate driving through my neighborhood and not seeing boats or RV's parked in driveways but that can be pretty annoying with the pettiness. God forbid you rinse out your trash cans and leave them outside to dry on a non-trash day.
A contractor that I used to work for wasn't allowed to park his $75,000 Range Rover in the driveway because he had his business logo and phone number on the doors. Hell, he built most of the homes in his neighborhood and still got pwned by the HOA. This was somewhere off of Pablo Rd. near Mayo.
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on February 02, 2012, 11:26:58 AM
Quote from: copperfiend on February 02, 2012, 11:22:31 AM
I like the idea of the HOA. And I appreciate driving through my neighborhood and not seeing boats or RV's parked in driveways but that can be pretty annoying with the pettiness. God forbid you rinse out your trash cans and leave them outside to dry on a non-trash day.
A contractor that I used to work for wasn't allowed to park his $75,000 Range Rover in the driveway because he had his business logo and phone number on the doors. Hell, he built most of the homes in his neighborhood and still got pwned by the HOA. This was somewhere off of Pablo Rd. near Mayo.
Alot of HOA are sticklers about that. My mom's contractor that does most of her house work says he takes his business sign off of his truck when he goes in neighborhood's with HOA's because of that. He will only be do interior painting for me so thats not an issue, but he says he's going to take it off anyway.
Cooperfield, my garage will be where I do things in secret. ;D I would they would up the HOA would not be all up in my house like that.
One more HOA story. My HOA got the JSO to include a statement in our newsletter that it is illegal to park in the street because you're "obstructing traffic". The neighborhood has one entrance and is endless cul-de-sacs. So you can imagine the traffic problems.
Things must be hopping in Texas, they have developments all over that list!
Oil money hasnt stopped
Quote from: Dapperdan on February 02, 2012, 08:35:19 AM
...if the HOA does its job, your property should maintane its value better than other properties.
This is the conventional wisdom, but I wonder if there are any objective studies that actually demonstrate if this is true.
Quote from: Dashing Dan on February 02, 2012, 09:50:33 AM
If there are good public schools and the prices are reasonable, then houses will sell, even in this economy.
It would probably help if the development was not so auto-dependent, but I believe that the driver for St. Johns County real estate right now is their public school system.
How come good students continuously come from bad schools and bad students continuously come from good schools if thats so important. It is not the school its the families. A good student at a bad school will still do well. What too many parents are afraid of are the stereotypes. I guess they dont think drugs are sold in the suburbs. Of all the reasons to move to Nocatee or any suburbs being afraid of your child interacting with different kinds of students is the worst. Teach them well and they will prosper.
I'm only talking about real estate here. I'm not talking about whether or not the schools in St. Johns County are actually good. Instead of "good" I should have written "well regarded."
I still know a ton of people who "if I only had the money" would immediately move to a neighborhood like Nocatee. The more gated and exclusive and far away the place is, the more they want to move there.
Until they earn more money, they are "forced" to live in a simple neighborhood with a very low crime rate where they can actually walk to the nearest shopping plaza. They are sad and depressed about their current situation.
As for people I know who live in communities like this, they are as happy as they can be and love telling everyone how awesome their neighborhood is. Their eyes are also red and they are in major debt and they are stressed out and complain a lot about the traffic.
Is there's some hidden contest to be "the most miserable family in Jacksonville"? What's the grand prize? It must be awesome because I'm starting to feel left out.
Man, for a forum that preaches the benefits of diversity and accepting all types of lifestyles, there sure are a lot of hypocrites on here. What big city doesn't have suburbs similar to nocatee? You guys do realize that not every person wants to live in an old house just outside of downtown right? Similar to how you guys don't like suburbs, there are people who don't like urban living.
skooba...I think most folks understand that there are those who desire the suburbs.....the concern many of us have is that some folks would prefer to live in an urban environment, but feel as if they have to live in the suburbs (whether that be due to price, schools, etc.).
Just as many of us support a diversity of transportation options, we also support a mix of housing types and community types.
Quote from: stephendare on February 19, 2012, 09:11:36 PM
Quote from: skooba on February 19, 2012, 07:54:23 PM
Man, for a forum that preaches the benefits of diversity and accepting all types of lifestyles, there sure are a lot of hypocrites on here. What big city doesn't have suburbs similar to nocatee? You guys do realize that not every person wants to live in an old house just outside of downtown right? Similar to how you guys don't like suburbs, there are people who don't like urban living.
skooba what the heck are you talking about? This is one of the more bizarre posts Ive read so far.
Sorry, not this thread in particular, but more in general whenever there is a thread about suburban neighborhoods, it always turns into an anti-HOA thread, or how bland the neighborhood is, or how 'safe' urban neighborhoods are, or how the schools aren't really better, or how it requires a car to do anything.
I mentioned this in the Julington Creek Plantation comment section last week. It applies here as well.
Quote from: thelakelander on February 14, 2012, 12:20:32 PM
Quote from: jaxnative on February 14, 2012, 11:55:01 AM
Wow, settle down boys and girls. I never realized I was a racist, environmentally destructive, insensitive to injured people who don't know how the hell to get to the hospital quickly, asshole. I'm going to be tossing and turning at night for weeks!!!!!
I really love this area. I feel really safe and have just about every thing I need close by.
There ya go, let the entertainment continue.
LOL. Julington Creek Plantation is a great place for those who choose to live there which, by looking at all the cars driving down Race Track Road, numbers in the thousands. Being in a diversified community, we're going to have an environment where several types of lifestyles appeal to a variety of people. Obviously, from judging from the comments, the majority of MJ appears to be more urban oriented, so don't take anything said on these discussion boards personally.
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