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What the Jags missed
I stayed up to watch Tim Tebow perform football miracles Thursday night.
Jacksonville Jaguars management could have had our stadium full as well as having the entire nation anxious to watch our games on TV.
General Manager Gene Smith and the rest of the Jaguars brainstormers who passed up on No. 15 might want to submit their resumes to State College, Pa.
Michael Switkes, Jacksonville
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I really don't understand these Tebow worshipers in this city. The Jag's missed? On what a QB that can not complete a pass so he runs for his life? Even Gabbert and our terrible receiver core can me some plays. Nothing impresses me about a NFL QB who constantly runs when they feel pressure. Actually watching him play made me happy that we didn't draft him. It also makes me appreciate what Gabbert is doing inspite of our WR's not being so great. Gabbert makes plays and stays in the pocket as much as possible, and only runs if necessary.I'm not hating on Tebow, but people really need to stop worshiping him. And so what he's a christian football player? I'm sure he not the only one out there that is one. (and I'm a christian btw)
Just lookin' at the Broncos schedule, I got them losing four straight (at SD, at MIN, CHI, NE) then at BUF I'm not sure(should be a close game) than winning at home vs KC in the finale; They will most likely finish up no better than 7-9.
I'll own up to what I said, and eat a lil' crow. I don't wanna be one of these guys who makes a statement, and don't own up to it, as the Broncs are pretty much a lock to go to the playoffs; I don't know how in the hell the Broncos manage to win these games lately but they do; I guess it's a combo of the Broncs playing great defense, special teams, and a lil' Tebow magic in the fourth quarter; Either way you look at it, it's a great story for the Nat'l media. I still think that the Jags made the right choice by not picking him in the first round, but only time will tell.
Quote from: I-10east on November 19, 2011, 12:57:45 PM
Note to NFL teams facing Tebow the rest of the way....Don't blitz and play zone coverage; Keep him inside the pocket, and let Tebow beat you with his arm.
Or just go to Amazon buy the book, 'Paul Johnson's Offensive Playcalling for Dummies' and have your defense study up.
Quote from: I-10east on November 19, 2011, 12:57:45 PM
Just lookin' at the Broncos schedule, I got them losing four straight (at SD, at MIN, CHI, NE) then at BUF I'm not sure(should be a close game) than winning at home vs KC in the finale; They will most likely finish up no better than 7-9. Next year when the Broncos are 4-12, and Gabbert takes the Jags to the playoffs, the Tebow worshippers will be silenced. Those idiots (like Michael Switkes, Dan Hicken etc) are desperately looking for that 'I told you so' moment. Next year, all you will hear is crickets from the Tebow bandwagon. Note to NFL teams facing Tebow the rest of the way....Don't blitz and play zone coverage; Keep him inside the pocket, and let Tebow beat you with his arm.
Exactly! blitz does not work for Tebow. Im kept yelling at the TV "stop blitzing him!!" You have to force him to stay in the pocket and make a throw
I am a casual observer on this whole issue. But my take is this:
If a guy keeps winning all the other stuff doesn't matter.
Time will tell of course. But what has happened recently is leading
me to conclude Tebow's 'will to win' is something that can't be quantified or scouted.
We shall see.
Like him or not this is good for the NFL and Denver as it has created interest. They must be loving it.
Just my $.02
^^^I don't disagree with anything that you said. One thing about Tebow, that guy is a competitor. No doubt that the Broncos are a very compelling team esp. since they consistently run very unique college plays in the NFL. Unfortunately for the Broncos, this is just putting a band-aid on a gaping wound. Eventually opponents' defenses will figure out how to defend those college plays, and Tebow will hafta use his arm. A coupla years ago, the Miami Dolphins had a successful fad with introducing the wildcat, which they had ran consistently with effectiveness in the NFL; Notice how that had died out very quickly as people figured it out; I see no difference here. BTW, I'm now rooting against the second coming, only because of the idiot Tebow fans who always has an ax to grind with the Jags for not taking him; I tried hard to wish him the best, but those worshipping idiots makes it impossible.
I love some of the comments from Jags "fans" and season ticket holders saying they dumped the team because they didn't pick Tebow. Seriously, you dump for one guy, shows your dedication right there.
Good riddance. Those "fans" can go right back to fawning over a bunch of 20 year old kids at a college they never went to.
Signed, a former UF student.
Cant blame those for Jags fans for having common sense. With zero players left on the team from the 08 draft, the last thing the Jag Org. needed was another huge mistake and Tebow in the first round and as a QB is a huge mistake. Denver will find that out the hard way. I wouldn't mind having Tebow on the Jags, but not as a QB. Its the Tebow worshipers who are the dumb ones.
Quote from: reednavy on November 20, 2011, 10:36:11 AM
I love some of the comments from Jags "fans" and season ticket holders saying they dumped the team because they didn't pick Tebow. Seriously, you dump for one guy, shows your dedication right there.
Right! Those people were never fans in the beginning. I just dont get Jacksonville. UF is not even located in Jacksonville but these nuts are Tebow Zombies. If UF was located here I would understand such a strong Gator fan base. But geez give me a break. And whats even more funny, is when the local media, randomly stops people and calls them Jaguar fans? How about talking to people who actually goes to the games and are season ticket holders.
Quote from: duvaldude08 on November 20, 2011, 04:33:52 PM
Quote from: reednavy on November 20, 2011, 10:36:11 AM
I love some of the comments from Jags "fans" and season ticket holders saying they dumped the team because they didn't pick Tebow. Seriously, you dump for one guy, shows your dedication right there.
Right! Those people were never fans in the beginning. I just dont get Jacksonville. UF is not even located in Jacksonville but these nuts are Tebow Zombies. If UF was located here I would understand such a strong Gator fan base. But geez give me a break. And whats even more funny, is when the local media, randomly stops people and calls them Jaguar fans? How about talking to people who actually goes to the games and are season ticket holders.
I understand what you are saying, but it's not like UF is at the other end of the state either. There are a lot of people in Jacksonville that went to UF.
Quote from: AmyLynne on November 20, 2011, 08:50:09 PM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on November 20, 2011, 04:33:52 PM
Quote from: reednavy on November 20, 2011, 10:36:11 AM
I love some of the comments from Jags "fans" and season ticket holders saying they dumped the team because they didn't pick Tebow. Seriously, you dump for one guy, shows your dedication right there.
Right! Those people were never fans in the beginning. I just dont get Jacksonville. UF is not even located in Jacksonville but these nuts are Tebow Zombies. If UF was located here I would understand such a strong Gator fan base. But geez give me a break. And whats even more funny, is when the local media, randomly stops people and calls them Jaguar fans? How about talking to people who actually goes to the games and are season ticket holders.
I understand what you are saying, but it's not like UF is at the other end of the state either. There are a lot of people in Jacksonville that went to UF.
Thats a different story. I can understand if the person is an Alumni. But sadly 90% if the gators fans in this city are not Alumni.
Quote from: duvaldude08 on November 20, 2011, 09:06:15 PM
Quote from: AmyLynne on November 20, 2011, 08:50:09 PM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on November 20, 2011, 04:33:52 PM
Quote from: reednavy on November 20, 2011, 10:36:11 AM
I love some of the comments from Jags "fans" and season ticket holders saying they dumped the team because they didn't pick Tebow. Seriously, you dump for one guy, shows your dedication right there.
Right! Those people were never fans in the beginning. I just dont get Jacksonville. UF is not even located in Jacksonville but these nuts are Tebow Zombies. If UF was located here I would understand such a strong Gator fan base. But geez give me a break. And whats even more funny, is when the local media, randomly stops people and calls them Jaguar fans? How about talking to people who actually goes to the games and are season ticket holders.
I understand what you are saying, but it's not like UF is at the other end of the state either. There are a lot of people in Jacksonville that went to UF.
Thats a different story. I can understand if the person is an Alumni. But sadly 90% if the gators fans in this city are not Alumni.
I hear that argument all the time, but really...how do you know if someone went there or not? I am sure there is a portion of the fans here in town that didn't go to uf...but I would think 90% is completely wrong too.
^^^Hell, I won't be surprised if the '90 percent non-alumni' in Jax is too low!
Few phrases in sports commentary (from fans or journalists) are more irritating than "all he does is win" with respect to a mediocre-at-best QB who doesn't produce much and is fully reliant on his defense.
That is being applied to Tebow with reckless abandon right now. And just watch, it'll come into vogue for Vince Young again even after he threw 3 INTs last night.
Tim Tebow as starter this season 4-1
Blain Gabbart as Starter this season 2-8
What I don't understand is why so many people hate Tebow. He has a rare passion for the game that rubs off on his team. Did you see how they celebrated with the kid after his game winning touchdown run? Sure his passing is lacking, but I have seen him make some pretty good throws. By the way, Gabbart is still behind Tebow in passing percentage.
Quote from: Dapperdan on November 21, 2011, 09:00:14 AM
Tim Tebow as starter this season 4-1
Blain Gabbart as Starter this season 2-8
A fascinating conclusion. Gabbert somehow has lost more games than the Jaguars have.
^Tebow would make a great fullback or pep rally mascot, imo. I'll pass on him at the QB position. He obviously has a will to win that rubs off on his teammates but more credit should be given to their defense over the last few weeks, imo. They've been playing well above expected, making it possible for Tebow's magic to rub off late.
Quote from: thelakelander on November 21, 2011, 09:12:09 AM
^Tebow would make a great fullback, imo. I'll pass on him at the QB position. He obviously has a will to win that rubs off on his teammates but more credit should be given to their defense over the last few weeks, imo. They've been playing well above expected, making it possible for Tebow's magic to rub off late.
Yes, considering the Broncos are scoring fewer points per game with Tebow than they did with Orton.
Quote from: Dapperdan on November 21, 2011, 09:00:14 AM
Tim Tebow as starter this season 4-1
Blain Gabbart as Starter this season 2-8
What I don't understand is why so many people hate Tebow. He has a rare passion for the game that rubs off on his team. Did you see how they celebrated with the kid after his game winning touchdown run? Sure his passing is lacking, but I have seen him make some pretty good throws. By the way, Gabbart is still behind Tebow in passing percentage.
It seems you put more thought into the way Tebow 'rubs off' than his actual play. :o
In a 1 score game Tebow obviously will give you a chance to win... 2+ scores and defenses can pin their ears back and make him look silly.
Quote from: Dapperdan on November 21, 2011, 09:00:14 AM
Tim Tebow as starter this season 4-1
Blain Gabbart as Starter this season 2-8
What I don't understand is why so many people hate Tebow. He has a rare passion for the game that rubs off on his team. Did you see how they celebrated with the kid after his game winning touchdown run? Sure his passing is lacking, but I have seen him make some pretty good throws. By the way, Gabbart is still behind Tebow in passing percentage.
OMG DD... Ever heard of the Dames Point? I think you should pay it a visit and thats all I have to say. You just dont like the Jaguars period. instead of always being negative, how about just not saying anything at all? Why waste your energy blowing hot air? Im just saying......
Quote from: Dapperdan on November 21, 2011, 09:00:14 AM
Tim Tebow as starter this season 4-1
Blain Gabbart as Starter this season 2-8
What I don't understand is why so many people hate Tebow. He has a rare passion for the game that rubs off on his team. Did you see how they celebrated with the kid after his game winning touchdown run? Sure his passing is lacking, but I have seen him make some pretty good throws. By the way, Gabbart is still behind Tebow in passing percentage.
Byron Leftwich with the Jags 24-20
Drew Brees with the Chargers 37-43
So, obviously.. Byron Leftwich is the superior quarterback.
Quote from: duvaldude08 on November 21, 2011, 09:23:49 AM
OMG DD... Ever heard of the Dames Point? I think you should pay it a visit and thats all I have to say. You just dont like the Jaguars period. instead of always being negative, how about just not saying anything at all? Why waste your energy blowing hot air? Im just saying......
There's a disturbing number of people in Jacksonville who have decided that bashing the Jaguars during a rough patch, or laughing about their struggles or the prospect of their moving somewhere else, and joining the cool crowd in the national press makes them feel just great inside.
Well, when you have a decade long rough patch, its hard to stay positive, Wacca. 2007 was our only shot at anything and it was an abbirition.
Excuse me, I guess Gabbart is 2-6. That is much better.
Jump off the Dames Point? Really. That is what I need to do since I like Tebow better than Gabbart? Classy response.
Quote from: duvaldude08 on November 21, 2011, 09:23:49 AM
Quote from: Dapperdan on November 21, 2011, 09:00:14 AM
Tim Tebow as starter this season 4-1
Blain Gabbart as Starter this season 2-8
What I don't understand is why so many people hate Tebow. He has a rare passion for the game that rubs off on his team. Did you see how they celebrated with the kid after his game winning touchdown run? Sure his passing is lacking, but I have seen him make some pretty good throws. By the way, Gabbart is still behind Tebow in passing percentage.
OMG DD... Ever heard of the Dames Point? I think you should pay it a visit and thats all I have to say. You just dont like the Jaguars period. instead of always being negative, how about just not saying anything at all? Why waste your energy blowing hot air? Im just saying......
How ever did the Lions or Bucs survive for so long without winning? We will be ok. Yes, i would like us to win more games. Honestly, I am tired of hearing about Tebow. The jags blew that chance, so we have to move on and hope that Gabbert develops. I go to the games and fly my Jag flag win or lose!
^Word up. I got my radio tuned to Brian Sexton every Sunday regardless of what happens. If I had the money I'd be at every game I could.
There's a difference between criticizing aspects of a team's performance, and a persistent pattern of negativity. The former shows you care. The latter just makes you a whiner and a generally unpleasant person to be around.
Quote from: fsujax on November 21, 2011, 09:55:20 AM
How ever did the Lions or Bucs survive for so long without winning? We will be ok. Yes, i would like us to win more games. Honestly, I am tired of hearing about Tebow. The jags blew that chance, so we have to move on and hope that Gabbert develops. I go to the games and fly my Jag flag win or lose!
I agree. But I dont see Tebow as a blown opportunity. It would have stuck out like a sore thumb on our team. And thus far, the only thing that he can do is run LOL
So I guess all this board wants is all people with the same opinion. I didn't realize critcism of the Jaguars was frowned upon.
^Pointed criticism is not frowned upon, especially when it is tempered with the supportive attitude of a real fan. On the other hand a long pattern of griping negativity just makes one particularly unpleasant to be have a discussion with, and others tend to respond accordingly.
Quote from: Dapperdan on November 21, 2011, 11:19:10 AM
So I guess all this board wants is all people with the same opinion. I didn't realize critcism of the Jaguars was frowned upon.
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"Apparently, being critical of the Jaguars and their lack of FULL CONSISTENCY is frowned upon in this thread!"
Quote from: duvaldude08 on November 19, 2011, 08:47:20 AM
And so what he's a christian football player? I'm sure he not the only one out there that is one. (and I'm a christian btw)
I share that frustration. At the time of the '10 draft, I saw many complaints that we didn't draft a good Christian man in Tebow (along with spectacularly misinformed references to how he could have cleaned up the "Thuguars"). But there are many Christian players on the Jaguars, including the player we did take in the first round of the 2010 draft, Tyson Alualu. Many of them are overt about their faith, dedicated to churches and charities, set a good example in the community, and so forth. And if the specific hang-up was that we didn't draft a Christian athlete from Jacksonville specifically, we already had one in Rashean Mathis.
Of course, now some of them have shifted the narrative away from "Thuguars" to "Gene Smith drafts too many good character guys and you can't win with choir boys."
Case in point - just saw this message board comment on the Tebow/Plummer situation:
"I would be a pretty proud parent to have my son grow up like Tim Tebow. Not a Broncos fan at all, but when he plays its something different and his jersey is one of the few from the league I would let my little boy wear."
The implication being, of course, that other players lack Tebow's moral values or faith. There are many players with admirable moral values and/or deep faith and/or strong charitable convictions. Just on the Jaguars, Tyson Alualu, Rashean Mathis, Derek Cox, Daryl Smith, Aaron Kampman, Jeremy Mincey, Montell Owens, Eugene Monroe, Russell Allen, Rashad Jennings, Brad Meester all come to mind immediately.
Quote from: Wacca Pilatka on November 22, 2011, 05:40:19 PM
Case in point - just saw this message board comment on the Tebow/Plummer situation:
"I would be a pretty proud parent to have my son grow up like Tim Tebow. Not a Broncos fan at all, but when he plays its something different and his jersey is one of the few from the league I would let my little boy wear."
The implication being, of course, that other players lack Tebow's moral values or faith. There are many players with admirable moral values and/or deep faith and/or strong charitable convictions. Just on the Jaguars, Tyson Alualu, Rashean Mathis, Derek Cox, Daryl Smith, Aaron Kampman, Jeremy Mincey, Montell Owens, Eugene Monroe, Russell Allen, Rashad Jennings, Brad Meester all come to mind immediately.
One of the few...not the ONLY one.
For all we really know those you listed could be some of the others.
^ Possible, but I would doubt it because the poster also claimed to be a casual fan (and wasn't local). I don't mean to reflect bitterness at Tebow in any way by saying this, but I wish some of the other players who are doing great things in their communities would get proportionate coverage to his. I think there's a widespread media-fueled perception that very few players are not living the lifestyles of, well, players.