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From Camp Tomahawk Park at the end of San Ardo Drive in the San Clerc neighborhood of the south side sits at the head of Goodby's Creek. From here the creek winds down to the St. Johns River, a twisting distance of about two miles southwest. This is just one of several mini trails that I think we could develop.

Goodby's Creek has the dual benefit of starting in a beautiful park and running through a very nice neighborhood. The surrounding neighborhood would make this a great trail for novice, young or out of shape paddlers. Let's see if we can get some feedback on this idea. I believe this is in Ms. Boyer's council district and she has already proved to be a council member of action (you'll be reading more about her rapid response in a coming article). Our friend Noone might want to get the boat wet.

Canoe and Kayak launching area are best without concrete, a small sandy landing, a water tap, and a secure post or rack where boats can sit to be rinsed off before the trek back home. 5 guys, a small tractor and a Saturday morning is about all this would require. Lori? Let's go paddling.

Pocket Parks -Pocket Piers. Ock this could happen and if councilwoman Boyer wanted to persue this she can show up at the Nov. 2nd Jacksonville Waterways FIND subcommittee meeting at 10 am 4th floor of city hall. FIND projects are being identified.

I believe a companion piece of legislation that has a Conversation component to this was 2011-246. Recently passed. I believe this connects to Goodby's creek just south of this potential launch site. Need to double check.

Ock, I'd welcome the opportunity to work with you, Boyer, and anyone else to Make It Happen.

Just to clarify FYI CYA

THE MEETING IS. WEDNESDAY. morning November 2,  10 am
( not Tuesday )

I'm excited to see Boyer working out some change for the betterment of our region over in District 5.
But how about in District 14 as.well! ?

The underside of the US17 Roosevelt bridge over the Jax Marina mile is RIPE!

LOOK AT IT HERE.  <WWW.JACKSONVILLEMARINAMILE.COM>

NorthMiami, Lakelander, Ocklawaha, Fieldafm.
Where are you Wednesday morning?

4th floor. ST JAMES. Conference rm A.  Ste425.

We NEEED YOU ALL!!
See you there ;)

Fieldafm has talked extensively with the group that made the presentations to waterway, but fieldafm also has a job and is consistently upset that waterways doesn't meet at a time that is more accomodating to public participation.

Quote from: Noone on October 28, 2011, 06:33:29 AM
Pocket Parks -Pocket Piers. Ock this could happen and if councilwoman Boyer wanted to persue this she can show up at the Nov. 2nd Jacksonville Waterways FIND subcommittee meeting at 10 am 4th floor of city hall. FIND projects are being identified.

I believe a companion piece of legislation that has a Conversation component to this was 2011-246. Recently passed. I believe this connects to Goodby's creek just south of this potential launch site. Need to double check.

Ock, I'd welcome the opportunity to work with you, Boyer, and anyone else to Make It Happen.

The parcels in that bill, 148713-0000 and 148713-0100 are on the Southside of Goodbys Creek.  If you look at Ock's picture, it's the land right underneath where the text reads 'Goodbys Creek'.  That land is owned by COJ and now has a 'conservation' designation and cannot be developed for residential.

Quote from: fieldafm on October 28, 2011, 08:02:00 AM
Fieldafm has talked extensively with the group that made the presentations to waterway, but fieldafm also has a job and is consistently upset that waterways doesn't meet at a time that is more accomodating to public participation.

is fieldafm speaking like a rock star or athlete now?

fieldafm will be holding a workout later today and is welcoming all potential employers to come out... highest bidder will be awarded his services

Fieldafm, is this the property you are talking about? I'm curious if the property immediately south of the apartments on San Jose is also part of the city's ownership? If it is, check out the aerials below, note that several acres are sandy (ie: high and dry). Hopefully Councilwoman Lori Boyer is following this conversation because creating a small entry driveway onto that parcel opposite Harbor Acres Lane, with very little improvement this would be an ideal canoe/kayak launch/takeout site. I would envision something like the launch/landing at Palmetto Leaves Regional Park right off of Old St Augustine Road at Julington Creek, though this wouldn't need to be nearly as 'improved' to function.

Quote from: Ocklawaha on October 28, 2011, 11:08:20 AM
Hopefully Councilwoman Lori Boyer is following this conversation because creating a small entry driveway onto that parcel opposite Harbor Acres Lane, with very little improvement this would be an ideal canoe/kayak launch/takeout site.

Ock, are you suggesting that Lori should introduce legislation for this?  If I understood her editorial correct, groups who come to the district council person with a detailed plan and a funding source have a much better chance for success.  I think it is a great idea.  It will take a considerable amount of work (and fundraising) from the citizens who are proposing it.  Who would be leading that effort?

If the council wanted to create a new park out of a corner of this conservation land then you are correct, it would cost some money. As far as a trail and launch sites, except for signage, a little sweat and a handful of volunteers could make this happen. Canoes/Kayaks are NOT concrete boat ramp friendly, we just need a beach, or a trail down to the drink.

Goodby's canoe trail can happen. Pocket Parks -Pocket Piers. I hope Boyer takes the lead on this. I will help.

Ricker thanks for the clarification. I'll be sending out emails this weekend around the state. My primary focus is Downtown and the opportunity for Public Access and Economic opportunity to our St. Johns River our American Heritage River a Federal Initiative. Right now its not happening Downtown.

Who wants to be a 501-c?

Be concerned.

   

Sorry but i find it funny what they sometimes call land. Conservation lands..lol...mostly wetlands..are they concidered land or water?....Wonder why so many developers get to call swamps land....i guess if you bribe the right person you can call it what ever you want around this town though...just an observation.

Quote from: Noone on October 28, 2011, 05:53:31 PM
Goodby's canoe trail can happen. Pocket Parks -Pocket Piers. I hope Boyer takes the lead on this. I will help.

Noone - I love your passion for river access, Hogans Creek and the Shipyards.  But when you say - I hope someone else takes the lead on something - I hope you don't get too upset when it doesn't happen.

All of the council members I have spoken to have told me the same thing - the people who come to them with ideas and a concrete plan for putting them into action - get the most attention.  Making a lot of noise trying to get them to do something clearly isn't working.  It is time to start working on a plan.  Find out how much it costs.  Spend some money on design - or try to find someone who will do it pro-bono.

Find out who has been successful in getting things done like this in the past and talk to them about it.  There are examples all over Jacksonville of groups who have worked with the city to create wonderful parks. Much of the money was raised by the neighborhood (and much of that was from state and federal grants).  There is usually a certain percentage the city will match once they see a financial commitment from those who are pushing for it.

I hope you don't take offense to this.  I really like you and want you to succeed.  And to spend your time and energy most effectively.

Quote from: Noone on October 28, 2011, 05:53:31 PM
Goodby's canoe trail can happen. Pocket Parks -Pocket Piers. I hope Boyer takes the lead on this. I will help.

Be concerned.

Noone, I really think we can pull this off with muscle similar to what we've seen at Hogans. First off though we need to paddle the whole course, including the little 'takeout' creek southeast of the apts on San Jose. Doug? Got blue jeans? LOL.

We need to explore the whole creek system and rate it for paddlers.

We need to draw up a basic plan... very simple stuff since construction only consists of some minor grading, a wooden rack and tie down area, and maybe (I hope) a hose bib... Doug?

We need to have our councilwoman on board

We need to present same to Parks and Recreation and Waterways, with committed muscle to get er done.

Signage? I have sent a note to Oklahoma Correctional Industries sign shop (used them back when I was a councilman in cowboy's country) they will do design and custom signage and the cost is penny's compared to commercial sign shops. http://www.ocisales.com/Default.aspx

We need a package and a plan.

Quote from: Garden guy on October 28, 2011, 06:11:28 PM
Sorry but i find it funny what they sometimes call land. Conservation lands..lol...mostly wetlands..are they concidered land or water?....Wonder why so many developers get to call swamps land....i guess if you bribe the right person you can call it what ever you want around this town though...just an observation.

Maybe so GG, but this area definitely has a sizable area of high and dry land. Basically most everything along San Jose, south of the apartments and west of the first creek is dry, also if you look in the first photo anywhere where the tree colors appear dark green. Most of those locations east of the little creek are islands and peninsulas.

Quote from: Garden guy on October 28, 2011, 06:11:28 PM
Sorry but i find it funny what they sometimes call land. Conservation lands..lol...mostly wetlands..are they concider ed land or water?....Wonder why so many developers get to call swamps land....i guess if you bribe the right person you can call it what ever you want around this town though...just an observation.

GG, swampland and developers use mitigation land banks. The headwaters of Pottsburg Creek was going to use a potato farm in Hastings to fill in wetlands.

Doug, the bigger concern is not the project per say. But the ability for everyone to be allowed to participate from an economic standpoint. Whether anyone succeeds or fails that will be determined by the market. Imagine if our river was opened up and not just Downtown but the tributaries.

Palms Fish Camp let me show you that disaster.

I'm not taking any offense. Just very concerned and time is running out with redistricting and the pier. Not letting it go its turning into Shipyards III.

  We made this trip about a month ago, very nice short paddle. Quiet and sheltered (once you round the bend) with two bridges in case of a thunderstorm.  I believe the whole route was a no wake zone. We did get into one back area but not the spot discussed here. Plenty of wildlife and pretty, excellent choice for a beginner. We were able to get to the camp area but dense cover blocked the view.
  http://www.everytrail.com/view_trip.php?trip_id=1303071 (http://www.everytrail.com/view_trip.php?trip_id=1303071)
 
  While a dedicated paddle launch would be nice the ramp does offer clean restrooms, water, tables and ample parking.

Nice pics. Thanks for sharing your trip. So many beautiful pockets in our tributaries.

Quote from: Noone on October 28, 2011, 08:13:16 PM
Doug, the bigger concern is not the project per say. But the ability for everyone to be allowed to participate from an economic standpoint.

I will play devil's advocate here.  I can launch my kayaks from Goodby's boat ramp (recently built by the city) for free.  I can paddle up Goodby's as far as the tide will let me go.  In fact, I have done it several times.

I also launch from River Oaks Park for free.  And I paddle to RAM for free.  I can launch from the ramp next to River City Brewing for free.

The bigger issue for me is the water quality of our tributaries.  Craigs Creek (running through River Oaks Park) is contaminated from the failing septic tanks.  Fortunately, the city received a grant from EPA to remove the tanks in the near future.  Hogans Creek is in desparate need of contamination removal.  I believe the cleaner the water, the more people will want to enjoy it, and then we'll have more access points.  Supporting groups like St Johns Riverkeeper and the City's Environmental Quality Division will make this happen.  I can introduce you to Vince Siebold, the chief of the division.  He is a great guy and would love to have your support.  His division is fighting for funding dollars and can always use our advocacy.

Okay boys and girls, we (Noone and I) did Goodby's 'Canoe Trail' today.  Both agree it is as near perfect, especially for new paddlers, youth, etc.

Doug a paddlers launch area would be easy to accomplish in a single volunteer work morning. Are you still interested in drawing up a plan (should take about 2 minutes) that we can show the city? If so I fill you in on the details.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ACCESS TO A JON BOAT AND A CHAIN SAW? We need to cut a pass through a medium size fallen tree, and trim some brush and bamboo. Once done this thing could be put on the map tomorrow!

OCKLAWAHA

Quote from: Ocklawaha on October 29, 2011, 06:19:03 PM
Doug a paddlers launch area would be easy to accomplish in a single volunteer work morning. Are you still interested in drawing up a plan (should take about 2 minutes) that we can show the city? If so I fill you in on the details.

I am happy to help if we can wait until spring.  My ratio of time spent on community projects (read 'free labor') to billable work time is starting to resemble Greece's debt to GDP ratio.  Three of the projects I am working on with SMPS end in December.

Have you talked to the guys at Black Creek Outfitters?  They might be willing to pitch in.

Doug, would you like to visit the site, or possibly meet there on Friday? Nothing big, just a few minutes needed and it's right off San Clerc.

I'm cool with the plan, but you might change your mind when you see what I'm talking about. All that is needed in Camp Tomahawk:

Remove a couple of lengths of the wooden fence, maybe folding them back toward the creek, or just toss them out. Clear out a bush. Dump a couple loads of sand. For a really deluxe setup, we might build a small drying rack which will look like a sawhorse with posts for legs. Maybe a pvc water line to hose bib. That's the whole thing.
What we really need is someone with a jon boat, a chainsaw, and some limb/shrub cutters. There's not much in the way of obstructions, some bamboo that has toppled, and a single big tree, otherwise just an occasional bit of debris.

OCKLAWAHA

Yesterday in Jacksonville was the national exposure of Florida/Georgia football. In District 5 off the beaten path off San Clerc was a festival in a park that if you weren't careful would have you blocked in because cars were parked two deep enjoying one of our many parks.

The morning conversation with Ock was basically how is the weather in your county? Up here in Duval we just had a good shower pass through. But we agreed and said "Lets Do It" and  in less than two hours we were in Tomahawk Park putting in our kayak and paddling Goodby's Creek out to the St. Johns River our American Heritage River a Federal Initiative.

The tidal conditions were perfect given the obstructions that we would encounter. And they can easily be fixed. The festival atmosphere that was surrounding us was utilising all the other amenities so basically we had the water to ourselves.  We immediately got through some bamboo and limbs and just like that we spotted a barred owl perched in a tree above the water just observing our journey on the water. this backwoods nature paddle cuts through neighborhoods and under roads and although you are looking at houses simultaneously you are struck by the beauty of massive cypress trees and canopy's that have been created.

The weather has been overcast and during one stretch of openness that we encounter after making the bend we flush a Great Blue Heron and its gradual flight from one end of the creek to the other was picturesque as his gradual flight upward with 100's of yards of open water in front of him gives way to radiant rays of sun that gives it a morning feeling that the dew on the leaves is evaporating instead of it being after 12.

We enjoy the paddle out and make it to the openness of the creek where the boat ramp is in view. We are now close to a slack tide. Water levels are high everywhere. Baitfish jumping around us and as far as the eye could see. Saw a number of ospreys and a number of Kingfishers too. We continue on and paddle back behind the apartments and to the newly designated Conservation land that was created with 2011-246.

The paddle back with OCK was FUN. The Paddle out was FUN. We continue to discuss a bunch of What ifs. Here we are enjoying nature as we paddle under Baymeadows road. My hats off to the MJ team and I don't just reference it by it meaning Metro Jacksonville but MAKE JACKSONVILLE. Make every neighborhood a DESTINATION.

In three days is A Jacksonville Waterways FIND subcommittee meeting that is identifying canoe and kayak launch locations and for Dist. 5 and its constituents what a winner. Also Governor Scott just appointed Aaron Bowman who will replace Mike Messiano as our Duval County representative serving on FIND.

Ock, Thank you for sharing this location and its potential with everyone. The fixes to open this waterway are minimal. In fact so inexpensive that it wouldn't need to be a FIND project. A shout out to the paddling community. Up the Creek Xpeditions, Black Creek Outfitters, Kayak Amelia, First Coast Outfitters, St. Johns Riverkeepers, Rising Tides, In fact we did spot a shopping cart. Maybe not as many that are in Hogans Creek but whatever is decided I'm in. Another future drawing out of a shopping cart using Jacksonville City council speaker cards. This may require legislation.

Councilwoman Boyer you can read the winners from the drawing. Lori, I hope your laughing.

Lets Make It Happen.

Who's Next?   

 

  No chainsaw or jon boat but I'm in if you can use some help. I have an 18' dory skiff but don't think she'd make the full trip through the canopy area. 

bobsim, you could probably make the trip in a dory without a high profile outboard motor. Paddling would be the best and I would go on a falling tide. If the waterline on your dory isn't much more then 36 inches below the gunwale, you'd make it. I would not try it with a motor as the skeg or prop might be damaged. It might be worth a test trip to see how it would work out. The dory would certainly allow us to gently 'feel' any submerged obstructions that a canoe or kayak might miss. Let me know if your game for a test run and maybe we can come up with a crew. Actually the primary stability of a dory would be better then a jon boat making it a safer work platform. If you don't think you want to try it let me know and I'll post a need for a jon boat on it's own thread so everyone will see it.

Keep the faith fellow paddlers, we're on the way to creating the Jacksonville paddle trail system. Goodby's is just the start, there are 5 more local waterways that would make easy conversions already on my hit list. 

OCKLAWAHA

 I can do this tomorrow or Tues., the best working tide will be mid morning at Goodby's and that's a low/incoming. High tides are too late this week and I feel better w/ incoming water in an area like this anyway.

This is a small boat, I'm a big guy so the crew will have to be light or perhaps one in the boat and one follow in a yak/canoe? Most of the bottom is hard enough to stand on in there and hitting it at low water may be an advantage.
 
  The boat,

(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb63/bobdsimmons/Simmons%20Sea%20Skiff%20build/SimmonsSeaSkiff005.jpg)

Sorry Bob but that boat won't fit under the bridges. I guess we'll have to chase down that elusive jon boat.

OCKLAWAHA

what a beauty!
what is the design? LOA?

Bobsim said it is a 18' dory. Most dorys don't have a transom in a size or position with which to hang an outboard motor.  Generally, a dory is A small, narrow, flatbottom fishing boat with high sides and a sharp prow, typical of the boats once used by New England fishermen. They'll handle surf much better then your friendly neighborhood canoe or jon boat. Here's a traditional dory class boat:


OCKLAWAHA

Quote from: Ocklawaha on October 30, 2011, 11:55:24 AM
Keep the faith fellow paddlers, we're on the way to creating the Jacksonville paddle trail system. Goodby's is just the start, there are 5 more local waterways that would make easy conversions already on my hit list. 

OCKLAWAHA

Ock, What are the other 5?
Went by Tomahawk park yesterday and did the nature walk. Thats a beautiful park. All the garbage was picked up and piled in an area. There was never a doubt that it would be.  Ock you know our cities Waterways. Whats the next one on your hit list? FIND is identifying these spots now. 

Jacksonville's waterways....and weather..... conducive to small craft is the envy of the Nation's marine industry.

I have just returned from the Fort Lauderdale Boat Show.Many exhibitors returning to the Northeast where they will be largely confined to winter season garage activities designing and building small craft.

The small craft of the Northeast are often ideal for Florida's Northeast..........our extended magnificent boating season a Bonus.

Quote from: Noone on November 01, 2011, 05:24:28 AM

Quote from: Ocklawaha on October 30, 2011, 11:55:24 AM
Keep the faith fellow paddlers, we're on the way to creating the Jacksonville paddle trail system. Goodby's is just the start, there are 5 more local waterways that would make easy conversions already on my hit list. 

OCKLAWAHA

Ock, What are the other 5?
Went by Tomahawk park yesterday and did the nature walk. Thats a beautiful park. All the garbage was picked up and piled in an area. There was never a doubt that it would be.  Ock you know our cities Waterways. Whats the next one on your hit list? FIND is identifying these spots now.

Ortega River - Argyle Park to Collins Road, or Tillie Fowler at Blaine Street
Pottsburg Creek - Beach Bl  to AC Skinner or Gate Parkway West
Cedar Creek - Duval Road or Biscayne to Zoo Parkway
Dunn Creek - New Berlin Road or Dunn Creek Road to Faye Road
Julington/Durbin Creek -  Greenland Road to Hood Landing & US 1 to Hood Landing

OCKLAWAHA

Hey Ock!...if you Noone, bobsim or anyone else ever go on anymore Kayaking adventures drop me a message, I'd love to go...I dont know if you go all still go with the weather getting colder or not? Needless to say I dont have my own kayak I just rent one for the day when I go at the NAS Jax Marina.
Also what I dont get though is why there is a canoe/kayak luanch across the Ortega from Tillie Fowler Park at Ringhaver Park. Access is the far east end of Morse Rd.  is closest to the boat luanch, yet I've walked this and it's quite a hike to the actual dock. Dont know how much its used, but would probably get more use in the Tillie Fowler Park side of the river.

NNavyGuyAN, I'll shoot you a PM when I'm looking to hit these still to be discovered Waterways. I had a blast with Ock and want to paddle with him. Especially all on Ock's hit list. I'd like to see Cedar Creek next. The zoo is number one on the FIND list. Is Palms Fish Camp close by??
Your up early too and in two days is A Jacksonville Waterways Commission meeting at 9:30 in council chambers. Tom Ingram will be on the agenda giving suggestions for a dozen locations that can be on the FIND (Florida Inland Navigation District). Aaron Bowman is our new Duval County representative. Not familiar with that area that you are describing but would love to see it. Point is if you show up your suggestion can be heard.

The Goodby's site is awesome.

Quote from: NavyGuyAN on November 07, 2011, 03:19:42 AM

Also what I dont get though is why there is a canoe/kayak luanch across the Ortega from Tillie Fowler Park at Ringhaver Park.

Hand launch access available at the Ortega River bridge park,San Juan Avenue.
At low tide/low water there is a sandy beach at the low seawall next to the floating dock.At high water use the floating dock.

This is an ideal location affording immediate access to the big river or protected Ortega River,Jacksonville Marina Mile.
Note too Fishweir Creek immediately to your left when upon heading out to the big river.
At low water conditions expansive siltation mud banks appear at the mouth of the Creek near Herschel Street bridge. (This silted in section noted as essential Manatee habitat........go figure.Now only birds stand there....).Do not attempt to walk the siltation flats,you will sink down waist deep;CAUTION-a potentially dangerous drown threat if stuck in the 'quick mud' at incoming tide.Hug close to the Loop restaurant shore for a band of navigable water.Once upstream the depth increases.You can paddle to Roosevelt Blvd. ........and if brave continue through the culvert to the Hamilton street public land......subject of two Ron Littlepage editorials.

Back on the Ortega,paddle to Saddler Point Marina and check out the beach underneath the Roosevelt bridge..........public vehicle access at the top of the Hill,but water access currently FENCED off.

Would love to see the Roosevelt bridge launch site make it to the FIND list. A call to Councilman Love or Jones not sure just who is the council rep would certainly help. Onward...

  Hey Folks,

  I noticed Durbin/Julington  on the list. There are launches for both existing so I would tell anyone interested in paddling them to get wet. Julington access is a floating dock at the city park south of the bridge on Old Saint Augustine Rd. Durbin access is a little more remote, the Bartram Canoe Trail launch is at the Racetrack Road bridge. If using this launch be careful backing down, there are concrete 'curbs' about 3/4 down the dirt road that are hard to see. Both are doable at low water.

Quote from: dougskiles on October 29, 2011, 07:46:29 AM

Quote from: Noone on October 28, 2011, 08:13:16 PM
Doug, the bigger concern is not the project per say. But the ability for everyone to be allowed to participate from an economic standpoint.

I will play devil's advocate here.  I can launch my kayaks from Goodby's boat ramp (recently built by the city) for free.  I can paddle up Goodby's as far as the tide will let me go.  In fact, I have done it several times.

I also launch from River Oaks Park for free.  And I paddle to RAM for free.  I can launch from the ramp next to River City Brewing for free.

Anyone can paddle for free from any Public property that is a given. It is when compensation is brought in that the equation changes. This was recognized and corrected by former city councilwoman Lynette Self and former Jacksonville Waterways commission member and former mayoral candidate Jim Bailey. Super pats on the back to Lynette and Jim. They did the right thing.

City council meeting tonight. I will be pleading again with my Dist.4 city council representative Don Redman the chair of Waterways about the Promised 680' Downtown Public Pier as a potential canoe and kayak launch. I will be at Waterways tomorrow cheering and supporting activist Tom Ingram and his journey to have even one of his suggestions to make the FIND list that will be made part of the permanent record that will be given to the Commissioners of FIND.

Quote from: bobsim on November 08, 2011, 06:03:27 AM
  Hey Folks,

  I noticed Durbin/Julington  on the list. There are launches for both existing so I would tell anyone interested in paddling them to get wet. Julington access is a floating dock at the city park south of the bridge on Old Saint Augustine Rd. Durbin access is a little more remote, the Bartram Canoe Trail launch is at the Racetrack Road bridge. If using this launch be careful backing down, there are concrete 'curbs' about 3/4 down the dirt road that are hard to see. Both are doable at low water.

Owk was refering to the boat ramp at Clarks. The end of Hood Landing road. Personally I don't use that for either boat.

 OK, I'm easily confused. I admit it. In my line of thinking a trail is a starting point and a finish with a designated path to follow between them.  Of the three locations for that combination the only viable one was Clarks. the others mentioned won't work. I came up with two spots that will work at low water. These are pretty much the limits of a kayak at low tide. You can squeeze another 1/2 mile inland from them but you will earn it.

So is the problem Clarks? I have used it with no issues other than getting to the safety of the no wake zone around it. As far as the Durbin loop I think the water access inside the Julington Durbin Park at the old crossing would be a much safer takeout for small craft than rounding the point and heading to Clarks. Unfortunately it's quite a portage to the parking lot but is a fine place to rest and turn around and head back to the launch. Personally I feel there is just as much to see on a return, but that's me.

  Here's a link to our trail on Durbin: http://www.everytrail.com/view_trip.php?trip_id=1293582 (http://www.everytrail.com/view_trip.php?trip_id=1293582) If you follow it under the bridge the pics will show you that's pretty much it for floating. Also the end of our trip, where we turned around is the old crossing I mentioned, N 30° 07.157 W 081° 32.780.

  Is there a clear mission statement here?

Quote from: Noone on November 07, 2011, 07:12:34 AM
Would love to see the Roosevelt bridge launch site make it to the FIND list. A call to Councilman Love or Jones not sure just who is the council rep would certainly help. Onward...

Plan way ahead department:

Met with Cynthia Seagraves today...........it is "official" ........this site to be named in honor of Cynthia's mother;
GRACE..........
Grace was a Lakeshore Blvd. Pioneer,she at one time in fact owned the site.Not too long ago Pier 17 utilized the site for kayak/canoe demo.Grace dreamed of general public access,park atmosphere at this site.This will Happen.Anything less will prove unacceptable.

Adjacent is Saddler Point and RiverKeeper Board member Mr.Busey.

River Angels float in our midst

Marina Mile Pier 17 Marine Flea Market this Saturday. Come by and visit with Cynthia.
This postuosely interjected withGoodby's because after all, all happily connected.

Onwardville.

  Hi Ock,

  Thanks for the clarification, I disagree with the need for all the improvements but hey, whats new? I question the requirement for a separate take out area also.The currents in these creeks are minimal, don't necessitate it and it requires a shuttle or second vehicle. 

  The Durbin trail is a good example of something that ain't broke. It's pristine, perfect and available to those who seek it. The launch is old timbers left from a past logging operation, standing on them I wonder how they survived the bridge construction.  From what I have seen there is no practical way to expand the trail inland, it becomes a shallow swamp, overgrown and gorgeous.

  I think the motor boat traffic around the 'point' and partially into Julington Creek would be a negative factor also. I swear some of these people just don't like paddle craft. Maybe not the best experience for a beginner.

  I'll be there to lend a hand if needed for the Goodby's Creek landing. IMO a good spot for such a venture.

Quote from: Ocklawaha on November 08, 2011, 09:35:15 PM

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3001/2628869762_ce49cc99d3.jpg)

Here is what I am talking about. To the greater masses out there this is a simple little beach along a creek, but to a paddler it will be recognized as the very best type of launch/takeout area. Canoes and Kayaks do not get along well with sloped concrete ramps, docks, floating docks, or other fancy nautical improvements. So when we are talking about a canoe launch being created, THIS IS IT. Now for the sake of 'place' one might add a small rail fence on either side, a bench, a drying rack where the boats can be hoisted upside down and rinsed off, a hose bib and... and... a trail sign.

In the case of Camp Tomahawk I'd suggest we open a space in the rail fence, and have the city dump a load of pure white sand near the creek. A weekend of volunteer help and we'd have the rack and other improvements up and running.

I think all of our starter trails should offer similar features, but different scenery. Something that will become the standard for NE Florida. People should be able to expect that drying rack, beach, or hose bib, they might also expect a few other improvements should we desire to take it to the next level, picnic table, BBQ grill, shelter, bathrooms/outdoor shower...etc.  We want visitors to go back to Duluth and tell their friends, 'Damn, EVERY single trail is well marked, and has this, or that, and some of these too...'  We can also publish a guide to Jacksonville paddle trails after we get a few up and running.

Certainly there are other streams and perhaps better places for long runs, but my hit list was based on, relative isolation from speed boats, remote feel, urban closeness, ease of access, and a put in, as well as independent take out area.

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I'm toying with ideas for a unique 'Jacksonville Canoe/Kayak trail sign'. I've bounced it off of friends at DOC in Oklahoma and they will custom make our signs for us if we desire. Their work is cheap, fast, and about as flawless as we could want. Look this over and lets design a sort of standard 'JAX-LAUNCH' one that we can duplicate over and over. 

Bobsim, Do you think it's possible to go down Durbin Creek from US-1 or I-95 area? Would it be possible if we had a team clear out log jams? Florida DOC once upon a time offered such a service, maybe  they still do? I think one of the officials is a regular on these pages. What does Durbin/Julington Creeks look like where the high tension power lines cross? Think we could get an access lane along those wires down to the water?  ...Oh and did you see signs of 'my' panther out on the peninsular? She raised at least one kitten there just a few years ago.  Based on her tracks she is a BIG kitty.

OCKLAWAHA

Ock,
That canoe sign is very simalar to one on Dutton Island out at Mayport.

Waterways meeting in 2 1/2 hours that will be finalizing a list for FIND

Quote from: bobsim on November 08, 2011, 05:10:02 PM
.......... So is the problem Clarks?..............

Clark's or rather Hood Landing just has too much traffic and not enough vehicle space. 

The dock at the Durbin Preserve is just to far away from the parking lot.  I'm good portage mule but there are limits.  However before some more trees fell I was up that far with the CC bay boat. 

I have not used the Julington creek launch at St Auguatine Rd. But I"ve been up there in the CC within a 1/2 mile by the gPS. Nice water. Durbin Creek is better once you clear the houses.

I've often wanted to come in from Race track in the yak but never got around to it. There used to be an old cyprus snag in there that was about 6' DBH. Impressive old tree.

  Here is some info I recently found re Durbin. Pat on the back for Josh Woods and Eric Bersinger and a big 'saaaalute' from the corn field! Great story and history. I had no idea those timbers dated back that far.

http://jacksonville.com/community/mandarin/2011-09-08/story/two-mandarin-residents-and-avid-kayakers-adopt-bartram-canoe (http://jacksonville.com/community/mandarin/2011-09-08/story/two-mandarin-residents-and-avid-kayakers-adopt-bartram-canoe)

http://bartramcanoetrail.blogspot.com/ (http://bartramcanoetrail.blogspot.com/)

I live right down the street from Camp Tomahawk Park and I have a couple of kayaks hanging in the back yard that don't see a lot of use.  I'd love to have good water access from this park.  Let me know if  I can help out.  I'm busy with bicycle advocacy but I'll be happy to help out with labor on this.

Quote from: Ocklawaha on November 08, 2011, 09:35:15 PM

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OCKLAWAHA

All I gotta say is that this is an AWESOME picture Ock!.....Tranquility at its finest, where did you take it at?

Quote from: Noone on October 28, 2011, 05:53:31 PM
Goodby's canoe trail can happen. Pocket Parks -Pocket Piers. I hope Boyer takes the lead on this. I will help.

Ricker thanks for the clarification. I'll be sending out emails this weekend around the state. My primary focus is Downtown and the opportunity for Public Access and Economic opportunity to our St. Johns River our American Heritage River a Federal Initiative. Right now its not happening Downtown.

Who wants to be a 501-c?

Be concerned.

   

Jacksonville Waterways Commission meeting 9 hours out. Anyone going? Council chambers at 9:30 am. Will be making a donation to 2009-442 Artificial Reef Trust Fund. Has anyone seen an agenda? Will there be a FIND update? The return of Don Redman as chair of Waterways.

Will OED or DIA be presenting Shipyards III to Waterways? An opportunity before the start of Aundra Wallace ( I feel sorry for the man already)
RAM dock update.
2013-384 next to Hogans Creek. An amendment for access?
Pottsberg Creek dredge.
New Southbank Riverwalk Floating dock. 24/7 Public Access?
Floating dock at Shipyards-CG7 did you ever get a chance to check it out after the JCCI Vision 2025 event?
Ben- We need to kayak Downtown before 2025
Palms Fish Camp-A million bucks. How do you sign up for this stuff.
Jim Love, Kevin Kuzel, 26' Berkman Floating dock compromise (Shipyards III) misrepresented by OGC to the Jacksonville Waterways Commission during the 2013 FIND grant application process.
Vince Seibold-Environmental Ethics.
We all gave up asking you know who about you know what.
Palmer Terrace Park- Will it now get an official Mayor Brown kayak logo?

I am Downtown and why you aren't.

Anybody know if this run is navigable right now?  I'd love to toss my canoe over the fence and go for a paddle this warm upcoming Sunday...

IF you paddle from Camp Tomahawk, you will have to get out several times and pull your boat over or under fallen trees. If you put in on San Clerc Road, you've got one tree to deal with. It's not difficult. Past that, it's clear to the St. Johns.
BUT ... there is a move to clear the trees and put a landing in the park. Metro Jax is involved, as well as the city, from what I understand. It's going to be really great.